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2016-02-01T02:16:54Z loke_: If I want to create an optimisation that changes (= (length x) y) where x is a list and and y is an integer into a call to PROPER-LIST-OF-LENGTH, how do I do it? In a source transform I don't have type information.
2016-02-01T02:21:22Z pkhuong: grep for splice-fun-args
2016-02-01T02:21:24Z pkhuong: you
2016-02-01T02:21:43Z pkhuong: need to write a transform for = (or whatever = gets transformed to)
2016-02-01T02:22:59Z nyef: Probably transforms to EQ if one of the arguments is a fixnum.
2016-02-01T02:23:03Z pkhuong: that looks at its arguments to do pattern matching, splice it the argument to length to get something like (= x y), and return a form to replace =.
2016-02-01T02:23:51Z pkhuong: the modular arithmetic stuff might be useful to figure out pattern matching.
2016-02-01T02:24:24Z pkhuong: the big problem with SBCL and pattern matching is that nodes are transformed bottom up. by the time you see (= ...), (length x) might also have been transformed away.
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2016-02-01T04:13:01Z loke_: pkhuong: Thanks a lot!
2016-02-01T04:13:08Z loke_: Sorry for not noticing your reply sooner.
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2016-02-01T09:54:56Z stassats: not sure how to inform fndb about function arguments
2016-02-01T09:55:14Z stassats: can't use (FUNCTION (t t)), since things also accept symbols
2016-02-01T09:55:51Z stassats: introducing a new ctype is hard
2016-02-01T09:56:37Z stassats: parsing the type passed to defknown, stripping and stashing the argument info, maybe
2016-02-01T10:02:44Z stassats: REDUCE bothers me, its function must accept 0 and 2 arguments, i've been guilty myself of not always heeding that
2016-02-01T10:02:54Z stassats: and that's if there's no :initial-value
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2016-02-01T10:33:48Z stassats: i guess i'll use SB-INT:PARSE-LAMBDA-LIST to parse the type specifier, fetching something like (CALLABLE 2)
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2016-02-01T13:16:52Z stassats: loke: transforming LENGTH to PROPER-LIST-OF-LENGTH-P might not be a good idea
2016-02-01T13:17:09Z stassats: loke: PROPER-LIST-OF-LENGTH-P will not signal an error if it's actually a non-proper list down the line
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2016-02-01T14:59:08Z stassats: huh, for some reason a call to REDUCE is marked as :FULL and not :KNOWN in VALID-FUN-USE, but when it gets to ir1-optimize-combination it's :known
2016-02-01T14:59:17Z stassats: so, it gets promoted to :known somewhere
2016-02-01T15:00:28Z stassats: recognize-known-call
2016-02-01T15:01:07Z stassats: which is called right after valid-fun-use, oh well, i'll have to do a trip to INFO
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2016-02-01T15:29:36Z stassats: I now have (reduce #'max x :key #'eql)
2016-02-01T15:29:37Z stassats: ; caught WARNING:
2016-02-01T15:29:37Z stassats: ;   The function EQL is called by REDUCE with one argument, but wants exactly two.
2016-02-01T15:30:18Z stassats: need to handle some more cases and it's ready to go
2016-02-01T15:30:57Z stassats: plus changing fndb entries
2016-02-01T15:31:42Z pkhuong: stassats: should that be a warning? what if I know that I'll never pass a singleton list?
2016-02-01T15:32:19Z stassats: it's the same distinction style-warning/warning as for (function x)
2016-02-01T15:32:31Z stassats: style-warning for redefinable functions
2016-02-01T15:32:50Z pkhuong: but this is about the sequence argument, not the function.
2016-02-01T15:33:12Z stassats: well, KEY is always called
2016-02-01T15:33:17Z pkhuong: oh yeah, ok.
2016-02-01T15:33:20Z stassats: except when the list is empty
2016-02-01T15:33:29Z pkhuong: yeah, that's fair.
2016-02-01T15:33:54Z stassats: but, for the zero-or-two dichotomy, i think i'll just declare it as accepting only 2 arguments, since that's usually what REDUCE is doing
2016-02-01T15:34:02Z stassats: i won't be checking that it accepts 0 arguments
2016-02-01T15:34:20Z stassats: i know my own code is guilty of that
2016-02-01T15:34:32Z stassats: besides, :initial-value changes the behavior
2016-02-01T15:35:48Z stassats: i can also make (find-if #'digit-char-p (make-array 10 :element-type 'fixnum)) to warn
2016-02-01T15:35:59Z stassats: would be a bit more complicated
2016-02-01T15:36:28Z stassats: and people will be fooled into thinking that SBCL is so smart
2016-02-01T15:44:02Z stassats: i reckon there'll be a few quicklisp projects which will fail to build do to this
2016-02-01T15:44:17Z stassats: i'm not worried, i usually count that as a success
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2016-02-02T11:52:04Z knobo: I'd like to understand what is going on here, and what could be done to make a better version: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.lisp/ok3JabVvB_c
2016-02-02T11:57:47Z jackdaniel: knobo: http://paste.lisp.org/display/306363 (this works on all implementations and I believe it's what you want to have)
2016-02-02T11:58:13Z jackdaniel: disregard the defdelim, just do (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# \#f #'sharp-f)
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2016-02-02T12:29:01Z knobo: jackdaniel: thank you
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2016-02-02T12:40:03Z jackdaniel: yw :)
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2016-02-02T13:58:57Z stassats: why can't the errors during XC be reported normally?
2016-02-02T14:02:15Z stassats: maybe i'm using too old of a build host
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2016-02-02T14:03:29Z stassats: indeed, a different host reports alright
2016-02-02T14:06:04Z ralt: re: running sbcl as the init process. It's very unstable :D
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2016-02-02T14:07:00Z stassats: well, don't do it then
2016-02-02T14:07:02Z ralt: (because there's no `until (eq line 'eof)`)
2016-02-02T14:07:19Z ralt: stassats: well, don't you consider a segfault a bug in sbcl?
2016-02-02T14:11:54Z stassats: no
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2016-02-02T14:45:20Z stassats: really
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2016-02-02T16:50:10Z stassats: ok, almost got callable-arg-mismatch finished, performing some testing
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2016-02-02T16:51:15Z stassats: also left to do would be the variable callers, map, some, but that's for the next commit
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2016-02-02T20:53:56Z dougk_: where the NEWS says "functions that call functions" it brings to mind the Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f-kfRREA8M)
2016-02-02T20:54:25Z dougk_: maybe we should say "higher-order functions"
2016-02-02T20:54:47Z stassats: i don't see how that would be any better
2016-02-02T20:55:51Z stassats: besides, the meaning of the argument mismatch will be lost
2016-02-02T20:56:44Z dougk_: those words make no sense to me.
2016-02-02T20:57:07Z dougk_: HOFs is the conventional terminology, and it is not clear whose arguments are being checked for mismatch either way
2016-02-02T20:57:36Z dougk_: at least we can sound like we know the conventional term rather than inventing a phrase that means the same thing
2016-02-02T20:58:14Z stassats: how is "function that call other functions" confusing?
2016-02-02T20:58:18Z stassats: there is even an example
2016-02-02T21:02:22Z stassats: i can change to "function that take other functions as arguments"
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2016-02-02T21:09:01Z dougk_: personally i'd say "higher-order functions (e.g. REDUCE, FIND) can warn about argument mismatch in the functional arguments at compile-time" etc. or "... in the called functions ..."
2016-02-02T21:09:46Z stassats: "higher-order functions" is a no go from me, this is not a scientific paper, this a news entry for a broad audience
2016-02-02T21:10:27Z dougk_: "functions that call other functions" sounds amateurish. Go ahead and present it as such if you'd like
2016-02-02T21:12:28Z stassats: i'm already changing it to "function taking functions as arguments", because "functions calling other functions" doesn't mean they're coming from arguments
2016-02-02T21:13:53Z stassats: besides, higher order functions may not take any function arguments, just return a function
2016-02-02T21:15:35Z stassats: which gives me an idea, are there any in the CL package which can help with more warnings?
2016-02-02T21:18:13Z stassats: i would really love a dedicated ctype CALLABLE, which can encode arg-counts
2016-02-02T21:19:15Z stassats: only get-macro-character and pprint-dispatch return functions
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2016-02-02T21:19:33Z stassats: not a high payoff
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2016-02-02T21:40:30Z pkhuong: identity :\
2016-02-02T21:41:18Z stassats: that should be just transparent
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2016-02-02T21:42:37Z stassats: some next thing to try: (find-if #'evenp x :key #'code-char) type mismatch between code-char and evenp
2016-02-02T21:43:12Z stassats: or (find 1 x :key #'code-char), a note that it will never succeed
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2016-02-02T21:48:53Z stassats: the hardest part is encoding all that meta information
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2016-02-02T23:02:22Z attila_lendvai: so, (sb-alien:alien-size cl:boolean) => 64, but sizeof(_Bool) => 1 on linux x64. this is rather confusing... I'd expect sb-alien to either don't define a boolean, or map it to C _Bool
2016-02-02T23:02:28Z attila_lendvai: any thoughts on this?
2016-02-02T23:13:51Z pkhuong: there should be a distinct "bool" type.
2016-02-02T23:13:57Z pkhuong: (alien type).
2016-02-02T23:16:11Z attila_lendvai: pkhuong: shall I record an lp bug for this?
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2016-02-02T23:21:03Z pkhuong: I don't much care either way
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2016-02-04T14:35:27Z flip214: I still get things like   The value "000000 011188" is not of type VECTOR.
2016-02-04T14:35:46Z flip214: had one with #(141 122 135) etc., too ...
2016-02-04T14:45:45Z flip214: hmmm, #+nil before the (setf (subseq)) seems to make it run .... but that might just be papering over the issue
2016-02-04T14:47:08Z flip214: and yes, I'm modifying thread-local data. (LET ( .. (COPY-SEQ ...)) ...) should be enough, right?
2016-02-04T14:50:41Z flip214: http://paste.lisp.org/display/306533, perhaps someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong - if it *is* me...
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2016-02-06T09:37:41Z flip214: stassats: could you elaborate a bit, please?
2016-02-06T09:37:55Z flip214: I'd have expected each thread to work on each own copy, so where's the problem?
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2016-02-06T10:36:01Z stassats: flip214: one scenario: gc is run from a different thread
2016-02-06T10:36:36Z stassats: the original thread doesn't see the changed location
2016-02-06T10:36:49Z stassats: though i would assume that all the gc locks would have barriers around them
2016-02-06T10:51:50Z stassats: looks like it's a bit different
2016-02-06T10:52:13Z stassats: the problem seems to be with the widetag-aref table
2016-02-06T10:53:07Z stassats: which is strange, since it's not modified
2016-02-06T10:53:17Z stassats: that leaves the gc again
2016-02-06T10:56:18Z stassats: ok, no, the table seems alright, so it's the widetag itself then
2016-02-06T11:16:25Z stassats: and it's not limited just to ppc, but to anything with relaxed memory reordering
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2016-02-06T12:01:10Z stassats: even sprinkling memory barriers doesn't completely help
2016-02-06T12:01:12Z stassats: oh well
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2016-02-06T14:19:20Z stassats: i don't quite get it, do i have to insert a barrier in every thread at the place it wakes up from gc?
2016-02-06T14:19:37Z stassats: pkhuong: any advice on barriers?
2016-02-06T14:22:41Z stassats: when i insert a barrier before my test case the failures are more rare, so, i guess inserting at the thread wake up point would do the job
2016-02-06T14:33:44Z stassats: that didn't actually help
2016-02-06T14:40:54Z stassats: oh, maybe it reoders before stop the world, so that's why it reads a forwarding-pointer
2016-02-06T14:44:20Z stassats: still weird, why aren't all the locks help?
2016-02-06T14:48:02Z stassats: and oldspace should become protected anyway
2016-02-06T14:48:09Z stassats: and zeroed
2016-02-06T14:54:44Z stassats: sometimes the widetag is 0, not 1
2016-02-06T14:54:56Z stassats: but rarel
2016-02-06T14:59:01Z stassats: probably something's fishy with signals and memory reordering
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2016-02-06T15:32:46Z stassats: or maybe %other-pointer-widetag is conservative?
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2016-02-06T15:33:05Z stassats: (int-sap (get-lisp-obj-address x))
2016-02-06T15:33:07Z stassats: well, duh
2016-02-06T15:35:40Z stassats: flip214: found the culprit, will fix today
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2016-02-06T15:52:07Z stassats: looks like i'll have to write a new vop
2016-02-06T15:52:24Z stassats: which is easy, but now multiple it by the number of backends
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2016-02-06T16:32:33Z flip214: stassats: thank you very much! I really appreciate the effort....
2016-02-06T16:32:59Z flip214: The PPC machine is the beefiest, by a big margin. Now, if there only was a PPC64LE version of SBCL, too ;)
2016-02-06T16:33:02Z flip214: Thank you!
2016-02-06T16:37:35Z stassats: no more failures on ppc or arm64
2016-02-06T16:38:46Z flip214: hurray!
2016-02-06T16:39:04Z stassats: and again, i missed an early clue and chased some wild birds for a time
2016-02-06T16:39:23Z flip214: hindsight is often 20/20....
2016-02-06T16:39:29Z stassats: widetag-of didn't fail, but aref used other-pointer-lowtag, and i didn't investigate it directly
2016-02-06T16:39:38Z stassats: although it did surprise me at the time
2016-02-06T16:41:46Z stassats: flip214: pushed
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2016-02-06T16:43:19Z stassats: it was broken for only about 7 years
2016-02-06T16:47:04Z stassats: now that i gathered enough steam, i'll do the function arg mismatch for MAP and friends
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2016-02-06T17:13:19Z flip214: stassats: thank you very much. are you pushing that as a test script?
2016-02-06T17:16:05Z stassats: flip214: no test for this
2016-02-06T17:16:24Z flip214: can't see it (yet) on https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl
2016-02-06T17:16:44Z flip214: but never mind, I'll find time to test this on Monday. Thanks, once more!
2016-02-06T17:16:54Z stassats: i don't really trust tests with multiple threads interacting, no way to ensure that they actually fail
2016-02-06T17:17:10Z stassats: flip214: that's because that's not the sbcl repository
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2016-02-06T17:24:54Z flip214: stassats: re tests: right, they might not fail. but if they fail, they show an error.
2016-02-06T17:25:13Z flip214: for me this one breaks within a few seconds... so leaving it running for a minute seems safe enough.
2016-02-06T17:25:19Z flip214: perhaps not by default, though...
2016-02-06T17:25:36Z stassats: an additional minute for tests? no way
2016-02-06T17:29:58Z flip214: broken since 7 years.... if it breaks again, why wait 7 more years until someone notices? perhaps the bug would cause silent data corruption in other szenarios..
2016-02-06T17:30:28Z stassats: easy, just don't break it
2016-02-06T17:31:06Z flip214: *I* won't break it, promised!  ;)
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2016-02-06T18:08:44Z stassats: turns out, MAPCAR and others are already transformed
2016-02-06T18:08:52Z stassats: i can only warn about MAP and MAP-INTO. still useful
2016-02-06T18:09:07Z stassats: well, mapcar warns too, but the error is not as clear
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2016-02-06T19:25:00Z scymtym: i had this in my queue: http://paste.lisp.org/display/306690. should solve the issue without a kludge. am i missing something?
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2016-02-07T13:11:51Z scymtym_: stassats: does this look ok? http://paste.lisp.org/display/306728 (if you haven't seen, the %OTHER-POINTER-WIDETAG change broke the x86 build)
2016-02-07T13:12:16Z stassats: i did test, how could it?
2016-02-07T13:12:58Z scymtym_: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1463/featureset=1,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/consoleFull
2016-02-07T13:13:04Z scymtym_: search for "size mismatch"
2016-02-07T13:14:06Z stassats: my 32-bit build turned out to be a 64-bit one
2016-02-07T13:14:09Z scymtym_: i could reproduce the error on x86_64 with "SBCL_ARCH=x86 sh make.sh --fancy"
2016-02-07T13:14:36Z stassats: will fix it, thanks
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2016-02-07T13:14:47Z scymtym_: np. thanks for fixing
2016-02-07T13:32:50Z stassats: as always, do a simple fix or solve the underlying problem
2016-02-07T13:33:25Z stassats: will go for the latter
2016-02-07T13:34:11Z stassats: scymtym_: by the way, your patch looks ok as to working, but it's not the right one
2016-02-07T13:34:22Z stassats: it would be just (inst movzx result (make-ea :byte :base object :disp (- other-pointer-lowtag)))
2016-02-07T13:34:29Z stassats: but i'll fix load-type instead
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2016-02-07T13:36:06Z scymtym_: stassats: i suspected this after seeing the different definitions of LOAD-TYPE. is there a reason the x86 backend currently uses mov instead of movzx?
2016-02-07T13:36:26Z stassats: no, i'm changing it now
2016-02-07T13:37:31Z scymtym_: that should allow improving the FUN-SUBTYPE VOP in the same manner
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2016-02-07T14:07:44Z pkhuong: stassats: mm... yes. I think we do need barriers before restarting the world.
2016-02-07T14:08:46Z stassats: pkhuong: that was actually a conservative issue
2016-02-07T14:08:54Z stassats: (int-sap (get-lisp-obj-address ...))
2016-02-07T14:09:15Z stassats: pkhuong: i think all the locks around the thread state would employ barriers
2016-02-07T14:10:07Z pkhuong: does every thread acquire a lock between the last GC write to the heap and their resuming normal processing?
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2016-02-07T14:11:15Z stassats: it calls thread_state, which does os_sem_wait
2016-02-07T14:12:23Z pkhuong: so mutators acquire a semaphore token; that should be good enough.
2016-02-07T14:12:45Z stassats: that's why it was so confusing
2016-02-07T14:12:51Z pkhuong: cool.
2016-02-07T14:13:16Z pkhuong: syscalls are implicit barriers on x86; I don't think that's true on arm and ppc.
2016-02-07T14:13:44Z stassats: i would assume sem_wait/sem_post ensure that stuff
2016-02-07T14:14:27Z stassats: what's more interesting, from-space does not get protected after gc?
2016-02-07T14:14:28Z pkhuong: yes
2016-02-07T14:14:42Z pkhuong: cheneygc?
2016-02-07T14:14:47Z stassats: gengc
2016-02-07T14:15:13Z stassats: i was picking off forwarding-pointer widetags
2016-02-07T14:15:17Z pkhuong: pinned stuff might still be in there, and the nursery shouldn't be protected.
2016-02-07T14:15:35Z pkhuong: does not get wiped is more surprising.
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2016-02-07T14:24:07Z stassats: scymtym_: the current load-type is a bit more compact
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2016-02-07T14:24:27Z stassats: i'll just use movzx directly for other-pointer-widetag and fun-subtype
2016-02-07T14:29:14Z stassats: but i don't really care about x86 at the end of the day
2016-02-07T14:38:20Z stassats: shaving 1 byte off widetag-of on x86-64
2016-02-07T14:38:21Z stassats: "yay"
2016-02-07T14:40:04Z stassats: or not
2016-02-07T14:40:22Z stassats: it broke everything, missed an important thing
2016-02-07T14:40:39Z stassats: broke every contrib, but not the build
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2016-02-07T15:32:34Z drmeister: Hello, how do I get sbcl to work with M-.    All of my source locations look like:   /Users/jwise/proj/sbcl/clean/1.2.11/sbcl-1.2.11-x86-64-darwin/src/code/list.lisp
2016-02-07T15:32:53Z stassats: sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location
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2016-02-07T15:42:27Z drmeister: Ok, I downloaded the sbcl source.  I call (sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location #P"/Users/meister/Downloads/sbcl/src/")
2016-02-07T15:42:50Z drmeister: I go (list M-.   I get a list of source locations.   I move the cursor over them.
2016-02-07T15:43:08Z drmeister: A frame gets set up that says list.lisp at the bottom.   The frame is empty
2016-02-07T15:44:23Z drmeister: http://i.imgur.com/JqOQlAu.png
2016-02-07T15:44:31Z stassats: well, because it should've been (sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location #P"/Users/meister/Downloads/sbcl/")
2016-02-07T15:44:32Z drmeister: The bottom right frame.
2016-02-07T15:45:06Z drmeister: Thank you.
2016-02-07T15:45:10Z drmeister: That works
2016-02-07T15:50:53Z drmeister: I don't understand this at all.
2016-02-07T15:51:02Z drmeister: Can I simplify this if I don't call no-next-method?
2016-02-07T15:51:15Z drmeister: ECL doesn't call no-next-method.
2016-02-07T15:51:25Z stassats: we're not in #clasp anymore
2016-02-07T15:52:33Z drmeister: Oh sorry
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2016-02-07T16:10:03Z stassats: great, slime arglists for INST stopped working
2016-02-07T16:10:12Z stassats: because now emitters are downcases for some reason
2016-02-07T16:11:59Z stassats: or not only because of that
2016-02-07T16:14:39Z stassats: looks like they always were downcase, but there's no sb-assem:*assem-instructions* anymore, or rather, it's empty
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2016-02-07T19:29:39Z scymtym_: Xof: i'm trying to unify the commonalities of the gray streams protocol and the extensible sequences protocol. in case you have a little bit of time to spare, could you have a brief look at the four most recent commits in https://github.com/scymtym/sbcl/commits/wip-gray-stream-protocol ? thanks in advance.
2016-02-07T19:36:29Z stassats: will that break anything?
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2016-02-07T20:18:54Z Xof: define-protocol-generic seems to assume that only a single class is relevant to the protocol
2016-02-07T20:19:09Z Xof: that works for the two protocols it's used for, but I don't think that's "right" in general
2016-02-07T20:20:13Z Xof: and I'd be a bit surprised to have (define-protocol-generic foo ((x integer) (y function)) ...) define a protocol unimplemented method for (integer integer) args
2016-02-07T20:22:12Z Xof: in fact various things that I would expect to be able to write with define-protocol-generic don't work as I expect
2016-02-07T20:22:27Z Xof: e.g. (define-protocol-generic stream-read-sequence ((s stream) (seq sequence)) ...)
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2016-02-07T20:27:47Z scymtym: Xof: that was quick. thanks for the feedback
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2016-02-07T20:30:34Z scymtym: i wasn't trying to make a general protocol facility (although i'll admit that the macro name suggests that)
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2016-02-08T14:45:03Z flip214: hmmm, simply using "make.sh" doesn't create a multithreading-enabled sbcl on ppc32be?!
2016-02-08T14:45:10Z flip214: Trying --fancy now.
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2016-02-08T14:54:12Z flip214: hmmm, "Failed contribs: sb-concurrency"
2016-02-08T14:54:51Z flip214: 1 out of 25 total tests failed: SB-CONCURRENCY-TEST::FRLOCK.1.
2016-02-08T14:55:19Z flip214: Expected values: NIL
2016-02-08T14:55:19Z flip214:                  NIL
2016-02-08T14:55:19Z flip214: Actual values: NIL
2016-02-08T14:55:19Z flip214:                ((7640 7764 8968) (1389 5609 9916) (5709 7386 11204)
2016-02-08T14:55:38Z flip214: does that mean that the machine is faster than this test allows?
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2016-02-08T15:17:54Z flip214: hmmm, 32 threads, but "only" 1100% cpu usage....
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2016-02-08T15:48:51Z pkhuong: flip214: no, it means frlock is wrong. probably still missing barriers on non-TSO architectures.
2016-02-08T15:49:25Z flip214: pkhuong: thank you!
2016-02-08T15:50:19Z flip214: might that have some common cause with warning messages like
2016-02-08T15:50:24Z flip214: "warning: attempted to scavenge non-descriptor value 22e at 0xf2d3dc50."
2016-02-08T15:50:25Z flip214: ?
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2016-02-08T16:09:08Z stassats: flip214: no
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2016-02-08T16:33:37Z stassats: flip214: can you reproduce?
2016-02-08T16:55:16Z scymtym: x86 build is still failing: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1467/featureset=1,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/consoleFull (search for "The variable SB!VM::OBJECT is unbound")
2016-02-08T16:57:37Z stassats: oh bother
2016-02-08T17:02:27Z stassats: scymtym: fix one thing, break another. should work now
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2016-02-08T17:39:31Z scymtym: stassats: thanks
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2016-02-08T18:51:52Z flip214: stassats: rebuilding with git HEAD, will then try to reproduce.
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2016-02-08T19:04:55Z flip214: sb-concurrency fails again
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2016-02-08T19:06:07Z flip214: still I wonder... why only 900% CPU, and not 3200%? hmmmm....
2016-02-08T19:08:40Z stassats: why should it be 3200%?
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2016-02-08T19:09:07Z flip214: because I told it to use 32 threads...
2016-02-08T19:09:17Z stassats: and?
2016-02-08T19:09:21Z flip214: (and before you ask - 20 physical CPUs, times 8 for hyperthreading....)
2016-02-08T19:10:37Z flip214: hmmm, I assigned 80 CPUs... guess I'll need to pass a maxcpus parameter as well
2016-02-08T19:14:31Z flip214: that's IBM's 1G$ for you, promoting PPC   ;)
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2016-02-08T21:55:10Z stassats: stopped with-package-iterator consing a package list, but it seems to be to complicated, using a dx-list
2016-02-08T21:55:34Z stassats: i doubt it'll be a bottle-neck
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2016-02-09T07:13:06Z flip214: minion: memo for stassats: yes, I can reproduce, about .5 to 1 hour, with 72be4c57d56db. "warning: attempted to scavenge non-descriptor value 2 at 0xf353dc50.".
2016-02-09T07:13:07Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-02-09T07:45:59Z flip214: minion: memo for stassats: git HEAD seems broken again...  Unhandled TYPE-ERROR in thread #<SB-THREAD:THREAD "lparallel" RUNNING
2016-02-09T07:45:59Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks.
2016-02-09T07:48:37Z flip214: minion: remove memo for stassats.
2016-02-09T07:48:38Z minion: stassats: watch out, you'll make krystof angry
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2016-02-09T08:59:03Z stassats: minion: forget my memos
2016-02-09T08:59:03Z minion: OK, I threw them out.
2016-02-09T08:59:40Z stassats: flip214: the fact that you can reproduce it is great, but how?
2016-02-09T09:01:57Z flip214: stassats: with a similar script to the one that you used; only I'm changing a git commit message's timestamps, to get a "nice" commit ID ;)
2016-02-09T09:02:29Z flip214: I could make that available.... but with ~30 minutes to an hour  *  12 CPUs, it's not "easy to reproduce"...
2016-02-09T09:02:42Z flip214: got it again "warning: attempted to scavenge non-descriptor value 22e at 0xf157dc50."
2016-02-09T09:02:53Z flip214: would it make sense to put a gdb breakpoint there?
2016-02-09T09:03:05Z flip214: do you have a similar machine to test?
2016-02-09T09:03:09Z stassats: i already replaced it with a lose
2016-02-09T09:03:14Z stassats: locally
2016-02-09T09:04:27Z flip214: my PPC32BE kernel (from debian) only allows 32 CPUs, BTW...
2016-02-09T09:04:42Z flip214: so I'm running with 20 CPUs * 2 hyperthreads, and not even use all of them
2016-02-09T09:05:20Z flip214: can you reproduce with my paste, too? not much difference - ironclad sha1 vs. sxhash, and different input strings and positions.
2016-02-09T09:05:25Z stassats: so it's 22e all the time?
2016-02-09T09:05:41Z stassats: get me your new test
2016-02-09T09:08:41Z flip214: http://paste.lisp.org/display/306853
2016-02-09T09:09:14Z flip214: # CPUs=30 bash run-sbcl.sh --script <...>.lisp abbacaffee
2016-02-09T09:09:16Z flip214: for example
2016-02-09T09:11:23Z flip214: thank you for your efforts and patience!
2016-02-09T09:11:37Z stassats: well, i'm not doing it for you
2016-02-09T09:11:57Z flip214: not exclusively, right ;)
2016-02-09T09:12:30Z stassats: exclusively for sbcl and myself
2016-02-09T09:12:56Z flip214: fair enough - and good enough.
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2016-02-09T09:17:19Z stassats: running away
2016-02-09T09:18:07Z stassats: that didn't come out right
2016-02-09T09:18:10Z stassats: testing away
2016-02-09T09:25:25Z stassats: flip214: so is it always 22e?
2016-02-09T09:27:37Z flip214: stassats: IIRC, yes.
2016-02-09T09:28:46Z stassats: if you want better results from your test runs replaces the fprintf with lose
2016-02-09T09:28:57Z stassats: (and lose doesn't need stderr)
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2016-02-09T10:34:58Z stassats: no luck so far
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2016-02-09T11:14:30Z flip214: I had it ~30 mins after start, another time after 1 hour, and 1 successfull run
2016-02-09T11:14:54Z flip214: yeah .... multithreading means harder to reproduce
2016-02-09T11:19:18Z stassats: flip214: well, if you do the lose() replacement and can reproduce it again, i would love a backtrace from gdb
2016-02-09T11:19:31Z stassats: i can make a diff
2016-02-09T11:21:05Z stassats: flip214: http://paste.lisp.org/display/306853#1
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2016-02-09T11:28:21Z flip214: stassats: just attach gdb to the process before it crashes, and lose() will stop there automatically?
2016-02-09T11:29:04Z flip214: If I re-run make.sh, everything is built again... what's the differential build command?
2016-02-09T11:30:02Z stassats: attaching gdb before a crash is not going to do any good
2016-02-09T11:30:15Z stassats: flip214: just rebuild the whole thing
2016-02-09T11:30:51Z flip214: I meant to attach gdb while the calculation is still well-behaved
2016-02-09T11:31:23Z flip214: hmmm, where's the gdbinit again? (signals!)
2016-02-09T11:32:41Z stassats: no, don't attach it
2016-02-09T11:33:53Z flip214: will lose write a stacktrace?
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2016-02-09T11:36:04Z stassats: it can
2016-02-09T11:41:05Z flip214: fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 2889(tid 3976983664):
2016-02-09T11:41:05Z flip214: warning: attempted to scavenge non-descriptor value 2 at 0xed0bdc50.
2016-02-09T11:41:16Z flip214: -- no more information
2016-02-09T11:41:35Z flip214: how would I get a stacktrace? gdb and a breakpoint?
2016-02-09T11:42:46Z flip214: Breakpoint 1 at 0x1000b8c4: src/runtime/gc-common.c:176. (3 locations)
2016-02-09T11:44:56Z flip214: hmmm, attaching GDB breaks that somehow...
2016-02-09T11:48:18Z flip214: should I use systemtap instead?
2016-02-09T11:48:28Z flip214: "lose" won't give a backtrace.
2016-02-09T11:49:15Z stassats: well, you have to type "backtrace"
2016-02-09T11:49:32Z stassats: there may be a lot of threads, so it's better to attach gdb now
2016-02-09T11:53:14Z flip214: stassats: as soon as I attach gdb, there's no progress anymore...
2016-02-09T11:53:24Z flip214: or if there is, it's at least 50x slower than without gdb.
2016-02-09T11:53:46Z stassats: what progress?
2016-02-09T11:53:49Z flip214: with --script I can't type "backtrace" into SBCL, if that's what you mean -- I'd need to run interactively
2016-02-09T11:53:54Z flip214: progress in my lisp script
2016-02-09T11:54:00Z stassats: crash => attach gdb => get a backtrace => go home
2016-02-09T11:54:27Z flip214: well, with a crash SBCL stops itself - I can't attach afterwards.
2016-02-09T11:54:29Z stassats: don't use --script
2016-02-09T11:54:34Z flip214: with that "lose", that is.
2016-02-09T11:54:35Z stassats: naturally
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2016-02-09T11:56:47Z flip214: grrx, no linux-image-dbg package, so I can't use systemtap either
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2016-02-09T11:59:45Z flip214: hmm, gdb interferes with multithreading on ppc. bad.
2016-02-09T12:04:33Z stassats: gdb just can't work with a running sbcl, don't do that
2016-02-09T12:04:42Z flip214: now doing a fprintf(stderr, ...) and sleep(3600), to be able to attach gdb at that point
2016-02-09T12:04:47Z stassats: attach only after it reaches lose()
2016-02-09T12:04:50Z stassats: gah
2016-02-09T12:04:54Z stassats: will you listen to me?
2016-02-09T12:05:18Z flip214: stassats: how should I attach after lose()? sbcl quits at that time, and I'm not fast enough to press enter at the right microsecond.
2016-02-09T12:05:34Z flip214: I'm trying to listen, but we seem to talk past each other somehow.
2016-02-09T12:05:56Z stassats: don't use --script, damn it!
2016-02-09T12:06:29Z flip214: so lose() doesn't cause an exit anyway?
2016-02-09T12:07:02Z flip214: please stand by, trying to reproduce again.
2016-02-09T12:09:29Z stassats: --script is for scripts, not for debugging
2016-02-09T12:10:04Z stassats: it disables all debuggers, the lisp debugger, the low level debugger (this is the one we want)
2016-02-09T12:10:25Z stassats: and i got it now too
2016-02-09T12:10:29Z stassats: warning: attempted to scavenge non-descriptor value 2 at 0xeaa3e260.
2016-02-09T12:10:38Z flip214: but not 2ee or what I got
2016-02-09T12:10:56Z flip214: ah, I had 2 last time I pasted, too
2016-02-09T12:12:01Z stassats: scavenge_interrupt_context
2016-02-09T12:12:10Z stassats: ok, that's what i needed
2016-02-09T12:12:19Z stassats: flip214: you can stop running it now
2016-02-09T12:13:04Z stassats: it is scavenging a register, as suspected
2016-02-09T12:13:40Z stassats: now to figure out which and in which function
2016-02-09T12:16:06Z stassats: well, the first one is a good bet
2016-02-09T12:16:17Z stassats: there's 0x00000002 in $FDEFN
2016-02-09T12:21:12Z stassats: ok, it's in FIND-BEAUTIFUL
2016-02-09T12:22:39Z flip214: the bug?
2016-02-09T12:30:54Z stassats: how on earth did 2 get into $FDEFN?
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2016-02-09T12:40:13Z stassats: it's happening after alloc, could that have messed it up?
2016-02-09T12:40:28Z stassats: because if it were messed up before, then it would just crash
2016-02-09T12:40:35Z IceD^: I'm going to fix https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/issues/48968 and 'd like opinion of more experienced users/devs how to do this properly
2016-02-09T12:41:14Z stassats: IceD^: see sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location
2016-02-09T12:41:30Z stassats: you can do that and then dump the core
2016-02-09T12:42:01Z IceD^: brew doesn't install sources to start with
2016-02-09T12:42:09Z stassats: well, ok then
2016-02-09T12:42:19Z stassats: just get the sources, drop set-sbcl-source-location into your .sbclrc?
2016-02-09T12:42:38Z IceD^: just point me to "proper" installation of sbcl and I'll make brew do the same
2016-02-09T12:43:36Z stassats: there is no such thing
2016-02-09T12:47:46Z flip214: IceD^: (setf (logical-pathname-translations "STUFF")
2016-02-09T12:48:02Z stassats: flip214: no, it's sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location
2016-02-09T12:48:08Z flip214: IceD^: see (logical-pathname-translations "SYS") for another way
2016-02-09T12:48:15Z flip214: yeah, that works *too
2016-02-09T12:54:24Z stassats: doh, i may be looking at the wrong place, i forgot to see what is the PC of the context, it's probably coming from another thread
2016-02-09T12:54:39Z stassats: and i already see a possible candidate for FDEFN breakage
2016-02-09T12:58:51Z stassats: frantically looking for the ppc abi
2016-02-09T13:00:59Z IceD^: can i paste 5 lines here or should I go to pastebin?
2016-02-09T13:01:11Z stassats: use http://paste.lisp.org
2016-02-09T13:01:51Z stassats: i think i see the issue, FDEFN, which is R10, was previously NL7, but R10 is a volatile register, so it comes out of call_into_c garbled
2016-02-09T13:02:55Z IceD^: https://gist.github.com/iced/9d97e94c299ad92da340
2016-02-09T13:03:13Z stassats: IceD^: that was already clear
2016-02-09T13:03:29Z stassats: IceD^: sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location will change that
2016-02-09T13:06:10Z IceD^: I fixed this for myself (just as you told), I want to fix this globally for rest of brew/sbcl users
2016-02-09T13:06:34Z stassats: well, use sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location save a core
2016-02-09T13:07:43Z stassats: flip214: the fix should be trivial, moving 0 to a register in call_into_c, just checking that it's the right thing
2016-02-09T13:08:25Z stassats: well, having bad stuff in FDEFN didn't cause any problems before, so, yeah, 0 should do
2016-02-09T13:08:33Z stassats: and removing that warning
2016-02-09T13:10:20Z stassats: right, and the logic checks out
2016-02-09T13:10:28Z stassats: well, that was how old now? 15 years
2016-02-09T13:10:31Z stassats: or so
2016-02-09T13:11:58Z stassats: i like /* was NL7 until recently -dan */
2016-02-09T13:12:10Z stassats: well, 15 years is recent on some scales
2016-02-09T13:14:24Z stassats: the work around that was done 9 years ago that stopped it from crashing didn't help
2016-02-09T13:22:42Z stassats: flip214: it seems to be crashing more readily for you, so it'd be a good idea to run it for some time after i push a fix
2016-02-09T13:26:45Z stassats: flip214: just shows that nobody uses sbcl on ppc
2016-02-09T13:26:57Z stassats: with threads, at that
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2016-02-09T13:27:23Z IceD^: ppc is still alive?
2016-02-09T13:27:35Z stassats: sure
2016-02-09T13:28:11Z flip214: stassats: just tell me when you've pushed, then I'll pull and restart my tests
2016-02-09T13:28:20Z stassats: just now
2016-02-09T13:28:30Z flip214: I'm sure IBM would be happy to provide a VM to run the PPC tests via cron
2016-02-09T13:29:00Z stassats: that wouldn't help any
2016-02-09T13:30:01Z stassats: flip214: forgot to mention in the commit message that you reported this thing
2016-02-09T13:30:03Z flip214: it would at least show that something was broken since $LAST_RUN
2016-02-09T13:30:05Z stassats: well, less glory for you
2016-02-09T13:30:12Z flip214: stassats: never mind... better luck next time.
2016-02-09T13:30:36Z stassats: i don't need ibm to run test on ppc
2016-02-09T13:30:50Z stassats: it's the fourth most maintained platform
2016-02-09T13:31:40Z stassats: i need people running a variety of code and reporting problems
2016-02-09T13:36:12Z stassats: a better test case can be devised, lots of FFI calls, lots of consing
2016-02-09T13:36:47Z stassats: but i'm confident this thing is fixed now
2016-02-09T13:36:55Z stassats: so, i won't do any more testing
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2016-02-09T13:37:22Z stassats: less greenhouse emissions
2016-02-09T13:40:47Z stassats: (and FFI calls that write bad stuff into all the volatile registers)
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2016-02-09T13:59:48Z flip214: thank you very much!
2016-02-09T14:00:07Z flip214: I'm running my script again now... will let you know of any (other) problems ;)
2016-02-09T14:00:46Z stassats: i now have 1024 commits
2016-02-09T14:03:30Z flip214: well, start the next K
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2016-02-09T23:20:53Z stassats: the new disassembly machinery done broke *compiler-trace-output*
2016-02-09T23:25:30Z stassats: so, how do i precompile all the printers then?
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2016-02-10T00:07:47Z stassats: huh, arm64 sbcl.core increased 15MB in size
2016-02-10T00:08:32Z stassats: maybe that's just my cross-building
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2016-02-10T08:41:56Z stassats: well, arm64 sbcl.core did grow 15MB after all
2016-02-10T08:42:01Z stassats: need to bisect
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2016-02-10T14:21:22Z stassats: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/commit/d85570759f4ec35d67752f64659afa562d76afba caused the size increase on arm64
2016-02-10T14:21:25Z stassats: no clue why
2016-02-10T14:24:34Z stassats: i guess i need to take out parts and see what actually caused it
2016-02-10T14:25:35Z stassats: so tedious
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2016-02-10T15:29:06Z stassats: if full calls to MASK-SIGNED-FIELD are transformed to mask-signed-field-63, then it's not a problem anymore
2016-02-10T15:29:35Z stassats: the challenge, how to transform it to mask-signed-field-63 only when all the vops and transforms had a chance to work on it?
2016-02-10T15:30:21Z stassats: in ir2-convert? not quite sure how to change the function and arguments of a combination at that point
2016-02-10T15:35:52Z stassats: duplicate all the stuff for mask-signed-field-63?
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2016-02-10T16:09:26Z jackdaniel: hey. I've been playing with defsetf and I suspect, that there might be a bug in SBCL – using example of the long form of defsetf at the bottom of http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_defset.htm , sbcl complains on get-setf-expansion form about unknown key (after unlocking package when calling defsetf on subseq)
2016-02-10T16:09:46Z jackdaniel: here is loadable snippet http://paste.lisp.org/display/306956
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2016-02-10T16:34:04Z Xof: this is the kind of thing that makes my brain hurt
2016-02-10T16:34:47Z stassats: can you find anything outside of the example that that's how it should work?
2016-02-10T16:36:19Z jackdaniel: hm, CCL returns these values (I know, it's not the argument :). No, I'm not that familiar with the spec to confirm if it's a really bug, hence the "suspect" disclaimer
2016-02-10T16:36:47Z stassats: jackdaniel: ccl croaks on (defsetf xy (x &environment env) (store))
2016-02-10T16:37:53Z jackdaniel: maybe, I prefer sbcl over ccl, but when in doubt what is correct I run a few implementations
2016-02-10T16:38:39Z dougk_: jackdaniel: I am convinced that one of the examples in the hyperspec can not possibly work
2016-02-10T16:38:44Z jackdaniel: I've hit the mentioned problem during the regression-hunt before the next ECL release
2016-02-10T16:39:18Z Xof: I am not completely sure, but I can't convince myself that ... what dougk_ says
2016-02-10T16:39:36Z jackdaniel: dougk_: yes, that's why I'm not insisting there is really a problem. Just tought that you may know what is the right thing
2016-02-10T16:39:44Z Xof: the expander function runs at macroexpansion time, whereas the keyword arguments only exist at run-time
2016-02-10T16:40:15Z dougk_: i opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1452947 mid last year
2016-02-10T16:40:57Z dougk_: it shows you what other lisp do
2016-02-10T16:41:21Z jackdaniel: o, so it's not new at all
2016-02-10T16:41:25Z jackdaniel: sorry for bothering then
2016-02-10T16:41:59Z jackdaniel should have checked the launchpad first
2016-02-10T16:42:04Z dougk_: jackdaniel: no bother, that's what we're here for
2016-02-10T16:42:05Z Xof: well, you gave me a headscratcher, so it's not all lost :-)
2016-02-10T16:42:29Z stassats: examples are not part of the standard, so all is well
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2016-02-10T16:47:14Z stassats: but it seems to be the difference between DEFINE-SETF-EXPANDER
2016-02-10T16:47:35Z stassats: DEFINE-SETF-EXPANDER gets X, defsetf gets #:X123
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2016-02-10T16:59:49Z stassats: &rest would need some creative interpretation, otherwise i think it's clear
2016-02-10T17:10:33Z stassats: i guess &rest is clear as well, it should just be a single variable, not a list
2016-02-10T17:17:04Z stassats: though that may break existing code
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2016-02-10T17:33:02Z myrkraverk: Wait, SBCL does not support unjoinable aka detached threads?
2016-02-10T17:33:33Z stassats: what does that even mean?
2016-02-10T17:36:50Z myrkraverk: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/pthread_detach.3.html
2016-02-10T17:37:48Z myrkraverk: More discussion here http://www.domaigne.com/blog/computing/joinable-and-detached-threads/
2016-02-10T17:39:17Z stassats: this is low level implementation details, why are you asking that?
2016-02-10T17:51:38Z myrkraverk: Because i want to create threads, preferably detached.
2016-02-10T17:51:49Z myrkraverk: And it seems SBCL does not give me that option - at all.
2016-02-10T17:52:16Z stassats: because it doesn't make sense for the threads sbcl provides
2016-02-10T17:52:32Z myrkraverk: How does it not make sense?
2016-02-10T17:53:01Z stassats: there is also malloc and free in some linux manual, do you want that too?
2016-02-10T17:53:23Z myrkraverk: No, do you want to compare apples and oranges as well?
2016-02-10T17:54:19Z myrkraverk: The SBCL manual explicitly states that the underlying implementation is based on pthreads, so why aren't detached threads supported?
2016-02-10T17:54:21Z stassats: if you want material about using pthreads to be applicable, you have to write in C and use pthreads
2016-02-10T17:54:53Z stassats: there is no such thing as detached or attached threads in sbcl
2016-02-10T17:55:26Z stassats: a pthreads manual won't help you with using sb-threads
2016-02-10T17:56:16Z myrkraverk: stassats: that's what I'm asking: Why is there no detached thread in SBCL?
2016-02-10T17:56:42Z stassats: because it doesn't make sense to have it
2016-02-10T17:57:04Z myrkraverk: I don't accept that as a valid answer.
2016-02-10T17:57:55Z scymtym_: myrkraverk: maybe start from the other end: present a valid use-case for detached threads in SBCL
2016-02-10T17:57:56Z stassats: i can live with that
2016-02-10T17:58:38Z scymtym_: i.e. what would you do with the feature, if SBCL had it
2016-02-10T17:59:27Z myrkraverk: scymtym_: Ok, one good example, sort of.  Implementing sleep sort.  Specifically, translate this into lisp: http://paste.lisp.org/+6KGE
2016-02-10T17:59:54Z myrkraverk: That is not what I'm doing with Lisp right now, though.
2016-02-10T18:02:39Z scymtym_: seems contrived and racy. what is this used for?
2016-02-10T18:03:42Z myrkraverk: It sorts in O(n) run time.
2016-02-10T18:04:10Z myrkraverk: It's an example, though.  There is an implementation in SBCL, with a join loop.
2016-02-10T18:05:22Z myrkraverk: On a second thought, I'm reconsidering the detached state for my problem, but still, for sleep sort, it's nice to have detached threads.
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2016-02-10T18:05:49Z stassats: you cannot be serious
2016-02-10T18:06:45Z myrkraverk: Of course, if sleep sort is the only example of detached threads in Lisp, it doesn't make sense to implement it.  However, I'm surprised it isn't.
2016-02-10T18:07:50Z stassats: it doesn't make sense even for this contrived thing
2016-02-10T18:08:14Z myrkraverk: Yes it does.
2016-02-10T18:08:42Z myrkraverk: Otherwise, the join loop is entirely superfluous.
2016-02-10T18:09:00Z myrkraverk: Or, can you show me sleep sort in Lisp without a join loop?
2016-02-10T18:09:24Z stassats: no, this is a waste of everybody's time
2016-02-10T18:10:26Z stassats: you don't have to join threads in sbcl, sure, if you want to exit after all threads finished, you do need to join them
2016-02-10T18:11:00Z stassats: but this is not C where joining threads will take a whole page of code
2016-02-10T18:11:53Z myrkraverk: Doesn't the process exit once the main thread terminates, like C?
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2016-02-10T21:37:31Z stassats: can't come up with a better way of introducing mask-signed-field-fixnum other than duplicating everything about mask-signed-field
2016-02-10T21:37:57Z stassats: but the fact that it has one argument and not two make things a bit more complicated, so maybe just make it (mask-signed-field-fixnum 63 x)
2016-02-10T21:39:03Z stassats: mask-signed-field can get optimized as late as ir2-convert
2016-02-10T21:40:39Z stassats: and that's a general transformation problem, transform too late and you'll miss optimizations
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2016-02-10T21:41:02Z stassats: s/too late/too early/
2016-02-10T21:42:10Z stassats: another option: mask-signed-field-fixnum VOP, i can invoke it in ir2-convert and it'll be even faster
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2016-02-10T21:58:59Z stassats: that seems likes the best option, and i don't have to write them for all backends at once
2016-02-10T21:59:20Z stassats: evenp is now three times faster
2016-02-10T22:00:18Z stassats: and it takes less code to inline mask-signed-field-fixnum than to full-call (mask-signed-field 63 x)
2016-02-10T22:07:43Z stassats: this is pretty exciting actually, finally mask-signed-field can be a good thing for unknown types
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2016-02-11T02:05:59Z mordocai: Anyone know if sbcl + CFFI should be reading the LIBRARY_PATH environment variable when trying to load foreign libraries? I don't want to go down a rabbit hole if it doesn't even try that but currently I'm having to manually fill cffi:*foreign-library-directories* on my debian + guix box since the lib path is non-standard.
2016-02-11T02:06:36Z mordocai: If it should be using LIBRARY_PATH then I could probably use some pointers on where to look for the problem.
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2016-02-11T02:11:51Z mordocai: After finding a mention in the docs i'm going to try setting LD_LIBARY_PATH
2016-02-11T02:14:57Z mordocai: Yeah that seems to work, nvm
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2016-02-11T06:58:05Z thijso: After I recently updated sbcl (latest git version) and quicklisp, I am unable to compile swank anymore. I get the error "Symbol "*ASSEM-INSTRUCTIONS*" not found in the SB-ASSEM package". Does this ring a bell for anyone?
2016-02-11T07:00:29Z |3b| doesn't know specifically, but usually stuff like that means you need to update slime/swank as well
2016-02-11T07:00:57Z |3b| at least sees changes involving that symbol in recent slime commits
2016-02-11T07:03:44Z thijso: Hmmm... that quicklisp update did have a slime update as well iirc
2016-02-11T07:08:45Z thijso: Getting the latest slime from git solved the problem indeed.
2016-02-11T07:08:48Z thijso: Thanks
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2016-02-11T13:56:09Z stassats: turns out, optimize mask-signed-field only makes sense on x86oids and ARM64
2016-02-11T13:56:24Z stassats: others don't have enough modular vops
2016-02-11T13:58:03Z stassats: another issue, logtest is transformed to (zerop logand) conditionally, and logand then cuts down the arguments using mask-signed-field and then it's able to use VOPS
2016-02-11T13:58:37Z stassats: but logtest could use VOPs too, if it cut the arguments in the same fashion
2016-02-11T13:58:53Z stassats: oh well, it's just an extra instruction
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2016-02-11T17:33:57Z stassats: (ldb (byte 40 32) x) is now slower than (ldb (byte y 32) x)
2016-02-11T17:34:12Z stassats: or rather, (ldb (byte y 32) x) is now faster
2016-02-11T17:39:34Z stassats: not sure how to solve that one
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2016-02-11T17:42:39Z stassats: modularish arithmetic for ash? (logand m-p-f (ash x -y)) only needs the low bits
2016-02-11T17:47:56Z Xof: there should already be some modular support for ash
2016-02-11T17:48:10Z stassats: for (logand m-p-f (ash x +y))
2016-02-11T17:50:10Z stassats: and (ash x -y) is not exactly alike other modular functions
2016-02-11T17:50:40Z Xof: no, because you need the low field-size + y bits, not just the low field-size bits
2016-02-11T17:52:04Z stassats: i can envision that i need an right-shift-integer-into-word function/vop, but no idea yet how to substitute ASH with that
2016-02-11T17:55:50Z stassats: and in a way that doesn't prevent all other ash optimizations
2016-02-11T17:56:13Z stassats: maybe look where the result goes at ir2 conversion stage? i'll need a vop then
2016-02-11T18:03:40Z stassats: ok, i think i can determine that during ir2 conversion
2016-02-11T18:03:49Z stassats: but the vop would be quite complicated
2016-02-11T18:09:04Z stassats: but that's the easiest way i currently see
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2016-02-11T18:50:17Z stassats: i got that far, now stuck on shifting a bignum from a vop
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2016-02-11T19:04:00Z stassats: i need to find a way to emit a function call from ir2-conversion
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2016-02-11T19:14:48Z pkhuong: stassats: static function :|
2016-02-11T19:17:17Z stassats: crossed my mind, but i think i can mutilate the node with another function
2016-02-11T19:17:25Z stassats: i don't to change the arguments or anything
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2016-02-11T19:21:45Z francogrex: hi
2016-02-11T19:22:05Z francogrex: in this: (SB-IMPL::READ-FROM-C-STRING/UTF-8 #.(SB-SYS:INT-SAP #X0FD14265) CHARACTER)
2016-02-11T19:22:35Z francogrex: i get errors: :UTF-8 c-string decoding error: the octet sequence #(228 116 115) cannot be decoded
2016-02-11T19:23:15Z francogrex: yes there are those weird german characters in  #X0FD14265
2016-02-11T19:23:34Z francogrex: but how can I still get it to either ignore or read them?
2016-02-11T19:23:43Z stassats: then it's not in utf-8
2016-02-11T19:23:49Z stassats: use the right encoding
2016-02-11T19:24:05Z francogrex: how to know which one?
2016-02-11T19:24:17Z francogrex: is the right one?
2016-02-11T19:24:27Z stassats: whichever encoding it was saved in
2016-02-11T19:26:06Z francogrex: no way to guess from the sequence #(228 116 115) ?
2016-02-11T19:29:41Z mordocai: You'd need the whole file to guess probably.
2016-02-11T19:30:32Z mordocai: You can write it out to a file and run the file command on it. Usually does a decent job guessing encoding.
2016-02-11T19:31:18Z francogrex: ok thanks
2016-02-11T19:34:44Z francogrex: the thing is this being a funcall from clsql, the data retrieve can be from anything, a mix actually; bits in german bits in whatever japanese even
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2016-02-11T19:36:37Z stassats: that's not for #sbcl
2016-02-11T19:37:00Z mordocai: francogrex: yeah, actually sounds like a database issue at that point. Databases and encodings can sometimes be... tricky.
2016-02-11T19:37:09Z mordocai: Easy to corrupt data
2016-02-11T19:37:40Z francogrex: right
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2016-02-11T19:49:17Z myrkraverk: mordocai: I thought that was only mysql.
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2016-02-11T19:50:41Z mordocai: myrkraverk: Off topic, but you can get into tricky situations with encodings and pretty much any database.
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2016-02-11T19:51:17Z myrkraverk: Maybe, but I thought it was only mysql that corrupted data (easily).
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2016-02-11T20:45:51Z stassats: came up with this abomination http://paste.lisp.org/display/307060
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2016-02-11T21:15:32Z stassats: i think ARM64 can do the bignum shift in one instruction
2016-02-11T21:15:44Z stassats: it has an instruction that shifts two words
2016-02-11T21:16:32Z stassats: the challenge is determining which words to shift, and sign extension
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2016-02-11T21:28:46Z Xof: that is quite horrible
2016-02-11T21:28:51Z Xof: nice hack, though
2016-02-11T21:30:32Z stassats: i'm thinking about adding some additional transform stage
2016-02-11T21:30:44Z stassats: that happens very late
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2016-02-11T21:32:07Z stassats: for fallbacks
2016-02-11T21:32:28Z stassats: maybe finally some solution to patterns like (mask-signed-field x (ash y))
2016-02-11T21:41:28Z stassats: pattern matching can be useful in normal transforms too
2016-02-11T21:42:16Z pkhuong: oh yeah. ir2 pattern matching would make sense
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2016-02-11T21:43:17Z stassats: i was thinking about ir1 pattern matching
2016-02-11T21:46:03Z Xof: one of each!
2016-02-11T21:46:25Z pkhuong: ir1 pattern matching needs to be in reverse order, but otherwise yes, that'd make a lot of things simpler
2016-02-11T21:46:29Z pkhuong: modular arith for example
2016-02-11T21:47:56Z stassats: stuff like casts make things harder
2016-02-11T21:48:05Z stassats: just tried, my ash hack doesn't work with a cast
2016-02-11T21:48:09Z pkhuong: yeah, you need to look through casts
2016-02-11T21:48:28Z pkhuong: i lisppasted a pattern matching hacks many years ago
2016-02-11T21:49:25Z stassats: and the usual problem of transforming something and losing further optimizations, that's why i wanted an additional stage after all optimizations are guaranteed to be finished and it can't introduce any new ones
2016-02-11T21:49:43Z stassats: basically just before ir2 conversion
2016-02-11T21:50:10Z pkhuong: ... ir2 needs good types
2016-02-11T21:50:29Z pkhuong: so we'd need another pass of type derivation/constraint/type derivation
2016-02-11T21:50:46Z stassats: well, transformation that preserves types
2016-02-11T21:51:01Z stassats: like my example, converting full calls to mask-signed-field+ash to something else
2016-02-11T21:51:29Z stassats: (and mask-signed-field is not a full call anymore)
2016-02-11T21:52:51Z pkhuong: but mask-signed-field won't convert correctly without type propagation
2016-02-11T21:53:08Z pkhuong: and the way we do IR1 transforms by splicing in a lambda loses all type info
2016-02-11T21:53:22Z stassats: well, that ought to be change, naturally
2016-02-11T21:55:40Z stassats: maybe i just want an easier way to match patterns and convert into full calls from ir2-convert
2016-02-11T21:56:17Z stassats: though it goes ash first, then mask-signed-field, so converting both is not easy
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2016-02-11T22:42:26Z stassats: maybe if i transform ldb into (logand mask (right-shift-into-fixnum x count))
2016-02-11T22:42:47Z stassats: and then transform right-shift-into-fixnum into ASH if X is fixnum/word/signed-word
2016-02-11T22:49:05Z stassats: and maybe a VOP for (MOD POSITION N-WORD-BITS) = 0, for efficient bignum processing
2016-02-11T22:49:44Z stassats: and SIZE == N-WORD-BITS
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2016-02-12T22:10:37Z stassats: still, a generic ASH improvement would be nicer, but too much effort
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2016-02-13T14:52:00Z H4ns: hi.  what's the status of thread support on solaris?
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2016-02-13T14:53:24Z stassats: which solaris?
2016-02-13T14:53:37Z H4ns: amd64
2016-02-13T14:53:40Z H4ns: solaris 11
2016-02-13T14:55:05Z H4ns: i've seen juho's post from a few years ago where he wrote that getting threads on solaris was not such a big deal and should be available "in cvs" soon, but it seems that they're not available nowadays (trying make.sh --fancy)
2016-02-13T14:56:03Z stassats: --fancy is not that fancy, try --with-sb-thread
2016-02-13T14:56:18Z H4ns: thanks, will do.
2016-02-13T14:56:20Z stassats: and i don't remember whether amd64 has it
2016-02-13T14:56:28Z stassats: either x86 or x86-64 have, or both
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2016-02-13T14:57:35Z H4ns: build's running, i'll let you know in a few
2016-02-13T14:57:37Z stassats: wait, we have a manual!
2016-02-13T14:57:49Z H4ns: woot
2016-02-13T14:57:59Z stassats: http://sbcl.org/manual/#Threading
2016-02-13T14:58:10Z H4ns: :(
2016-02-13T14:58:17Z stassats: it may be lying
2016-02-13T14:58:25Z H4ns: x86-64-sunos-os.c:22:2: #error "Threading is not supported for Solaris running on x86-64."
2016-02-13T14:58:33Z stassats: ok, there you go
2016-02-13T14:58:37Z H4ns: thanks!
2016-02-13T14:58:51Z stassats: i remembered at least something correctly
2016-02-13T14:59:20Z stassats: H4ns: care to add support for them?
2016-02-13T15:00:06Z H4ns: i'm not really prepared for that right now, but i might be if i find a sysadmin who prefers solaris to linux.
2016-02-13T15:00:30Z stassats: solaris is not as fun anymore, after being oracled
2016-02-13T15:01:23Z H4ns: right.  it's more the zfs that i'm after, but i need good jvm support so freebsd does not cut it.
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2016-02-13T16:56:04Z scymtym_: what is the (compile nil in line 14 of lambda-list.pure.lisp supposed to do? i think it has no effect since the lambda is not quoted.
2016-02-13T17:10:04Z scymtym_: maybe it makes a difference when interpreting
2016-02-13T17:11:53Z stassats: mistake
2016-02-13T17:14:26Z stassats: i don't think performance would matter either way
2016-02-13T17:15:02Z scymtym_: interesting
2016-02-13T17:15:30Z scymtym_: *MACROEXPAND-HOOK* can apparent not be bound to an interpreted function
2016-02-13T17:15:36Z scymtym_: that's probably the reason
2016-02-13T17:16:27Z scymtym_: or rather, in sb-fast-eval builds, interpreted functions are not of type FUNCTION?
2016-02-13T17:16:43Z stassats: that would be mighty surprising
2016-02-13T17:17:08Z stassats: valid-macroexpand-hook just doesn't accept it
2016-02-13T17:18:35Z stassats: i don't think that's actually standard
2016-02-13T17:19:27Z scymtym_: the comment says "Having an interpreted function as the expander hook can easily lead to an infinite loop."
2016-02-13T17:19:32Z scymtym_: that's probably the reason
2016-02-13T17:20:19Z stassats: bind *MACROEXPAND-HOOK* to funcall around the calls to *MACROEXPAND-HOOK*? is that standard?
2016-02-13T17:22:44Z scymtym_: shouldn't interpreted macro functions have the same problem?
2016-02-13T17:24:16Z stassats: there would be no circle, thoguh
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2016-02-13T17:27:31Z scymtym_: oh, right
2016-02-13T17:29:16Z scymtym_: this works with both evaluator modes: http://paste.lisp.org/display/307184. are the comments helpful?
2016-02-13T17:31:35Z stassats: the test fails with with-test? or the interpreter can't handle it at all?
2016-02-13T17:33:19Z scymtym_: i couldn't find a way to do it
2016-02-13T17:33:28Z stassats: what does it say?
2016-02-13T17:33:36Z stassats: which interpreter?
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2016-02-13T17:34:14Z scymtym_: :sb-eval
2016-02-13T17:34:39Z stassats: SB-KERNEL:VALID-MACROEXPAND-HOOK would be a better name, btw
2016-02-13T17:35:04Z scymtym_: good point asking which interpreter
2016-02-13T17:35:12Z scymtym_: i seem to have built with the wrong one
2016-02-13T17:36:00Z stassats: "Lexical environment of #<INTERPRETED-FUNCTION NIL {1004BAB92B}> is too complex to compile."
2016-02-13T17:36:03Z stassats: that's sb-eval
2016-02-13T17:37:03Z scymtym_ is redoing the testing with :sb-fasteval
2016-02-13T17:37:58Z scymtym_: maybe we can switch default interpreters at some point, but without defaulting *EVALUATOR-MODE* to :INTERPRET just yet
2016-02-13T17:38:26Z stassats: sb-eval can't handle closures
2016-02-13T17:38:54Z stassats: or like, even where there are no closures
2016-02-13T17:39:11Z scymtym_: tests aren't expected to work with :sb-eval and *EVALUATOR-MODE* :INTERPRET, right?
2016-02-13T17:39:23Z stassats: no idea
2016-02-13T17:39:31Z stassats: this is the first time i used --evaluator-mode
2016-02-13T17:41:46Z scymtym_: that's what i remember from when i added the option. however, even sb-fasteval fails some of the newer non-consing assertions
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2016-02-15T11:51:04Z stassats: what if bignums were always sign-extended by one additional digit?
2016-02-15T11:51:41Z stassats: that would make things much easier
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2016-02-15T19:11:29Z pkhuong_: stassats: it would... also I wonder how much of a win we'd see with an specialised storage class for 2 word bignuns
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2016-02-15T19:15:03Z stassats: there was a problem with bignums poisoning operations on fixnums with unknown types
2016-02-15T19:15:20Z stassats: it's much better now
2016-02-15T19:15:42Z stassats: but bignums themselves are pretty bad still, don't know how often two-word bignums are used
2016-02-15T19:16:21Z stassats: it would improve some stuff, but then again, more dispatching
2016-02-15T19:17:21Z stassats: always extended bignums would allow for a VOP for accessing digits without using bignum-ref, through LDB
2016-02-15T19:19:03Z stassats: can be done with current bignums, but with an additional extension digit it only needs to check that the length is less than the non-extended part
2016-02-15T19:19:58Z stassats: and the extended part can be used to feed the result for if it's beyond the bignum length
2016-02-15T19:21:14Z stassats: so, it'd need just one branch
2016-02-15T19:33:12Z stassats: an interesting way to represent two-word bignums: have the widetag #xFF and header-data all set bits as well, the opposite for zero extended ones
2016-02-15T19:33:19Z stassats: wouldn't really work with our widetag scheme
2016-02-15T19:33:42Z stassats: but would make compact two-word bignums, otherwise two-word bignums would need four words of storage
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2016-02-15T22:59:17Z pkhuong_: we could represent them differently within a function and have specialised routines
2016-02-15T23:00:10Z pkhuong_: even if it's only on stack, that's probably a pretty good win versus consing up 65 bit temps
2016-02-15T23:01:03Z stassats: multiple-word inline arithmetic would be interesting, yes
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2016-02-16T05:08:49Z pkhuong_: sorry bad bits
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2016-02-16T16:58:45Z Fare: is there any guru here who understands the sbcl linking process?
2016-02-16T17:01:45Z pkhuong_: I don't think we do anything weird? foom had plans, but I don't remember any of it making into trunk.
2016-02-16T17:02:45Z Fare: I don't understand why re-linking works in some cases and not in other cases.
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2016-02-16T17:04:38Z pkhuong_: oh, slam.sh and all that?
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2016-02-16T17:08:02Z Fare: maybe
2016-02-16T17:08:29Z Fare: I was hoping to reuse an image with a modified sbcl executable that has additional .o things linked in
2016-02-16T17:08:47Z Fare: somehow it (looked like) it worked for me when I did this cffi hack
2016-02-16T17:08:57Z Fare: and it (looks like) it's working at google somehow
2016-02-16T17:09:10Z pkhuong: oh yeah. that's only going to work if every SBCL symbol stays in place.
2016-02-16T17:09:22Z Fare: but when I try to reproduce what worked at google using the opensource bazel, it fails miserably
2016-02-16T17:09:35Z pkhuong: why do you need to reuse the image?
2016-02-16T17:09:41Z Fare: are the symbols all in the .text segment, or also in .data? in .bss ?
2016-02-16T17:09:54Z pkhuong: I'd build sbcl + stuff, then create an image.
2016-02-16T17:10:48Z stassats: there is sb-dynamic-core now
2016-02-16T17:11:00Z Fare: because building the image with an existing sbcl saves 10 minutes in build time everytime, and doesn't require to munge too much with sbcl build scripts
2016-02-16T17:11:12Z Fare: but well, if that's what's required...
2016-02-16T17:11:50Z Fare: stassats: how does that work? maybe I've been missing a step somewhere.
2016-02-16T17:12:22Z stassats: dlsym has to work
2016-02-16T17:12:35Z Fare: yes, it should work
2016-02-16T17:13:08Z stassats: it doesn't by default
2016-02-16T17:13:13Z stassats: needs --export-dynamic
2016-02-16T17:14:21Z Fare: I think I use that.
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2016-02-16T17:24:35Z Fare: I am using -Wl,--export-dynamic indeed. How am I suppose to use --dynamic-core ?
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2016-02-16T17:27:03Z Fare: stassats: I am using -Wl,--export-dynamic indeed. How am I suppose to use --dynamic-core ?
2016-02-16T17:27:11Z Fare: it seems to be missing from the sbcl man page.
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2016-02-16T18:06:41Z Fare: both the google and cffi-toolchain work without keeping sbcl addresses at the exact same place when the runtime is re-linked, so I'll assume they properly use --export-dynamic and --dynamic-core
2016-02-16T18:08:08Z Fare: though I don't see either using --dynamic-core (maybe it's somehow the default?)
2016-02-16T18:08:42Z Fare: oh, maybe the issue is that :sb-dynamic-core isn't the default in the tarball, and I need to override the features somehow?
2016-02-16T18:08:54Z Fare: that would make sense...
2016-02-16T18:09:55Z Fare: yup
2016-02-16T18:09:59Z Fare: thanks!
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2016-02-16T19:00:00Z Fare: IT WORKED! IT WORKED!
2016-02-16T19:00:23Z Fare: I wasted so many brain cycles on it, and the solution was just to use :sb-dynamic-core
2016-02-16T19:00:31Z Fare: stassats: thanks, again
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2016-02-16T19:42:32Z p_l: .... relocatable SBCL?
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2016-02-16T20:18:45Z Fare: :sb-dynamic-core
2016-02-16T20:18:53Z Fare: see http://github.com/qitab/bazelisp
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2016-02-17T13:33:34Z myrkraverk: Or will I just have to use either slime, or its remote protocol?
2016-02-17T13:44:08Z myrkraverk: Well, at worst, I can always look at the source for the interactive debugger.
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2016-02-17T22:31:46Z attila_lendvai: myrkraverk: there's also http://www.cliki.net/conium (basically swank as a supported standalone project)
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2016-02-18T07:38:18Z myrkraverk: Whoever mentioned conium, thank you.
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2016-02-18T12:16:04Z leo_song: I found sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die got “Heap exhausted, game over.” error with massive arrays in memory.
2016-02-18T12:16:19Z leo_song: I'm not sure if it is a known bug.
2016-02-18T12:17:25Z leo_song: It crashes on SBCL 1.3.2 and 1.2.4(Debian)
2016-02-18T12:17:49Z leo_song: Here is my test code: https://cfp.vim-cn.com/ccv4
2016-02-18T12:38:00Z scymtym_: leo_song: assuming you are on x86_64, those arrays take up more than 360 MB of heap space. SBCL itself (and maybe a few other things loaded into your image) take up another 70 MB or more. The default heap size on x86_64 is around 1 GB. so the system is near 50 % heap usage after allocating those arrays. since SBCL uses a copying garbage collector, it needs lots of free heap space to perform a gc. in the context of
2016-02-18T12:38:00Z scymtym_: sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die, SBCL runs out of heap while gcing.
2016-02-18T12:38:19Z scymtym_: no sure whether that should be considered a bug or not
2016-02-18T12:38:52Z scymtym_: what you can do is add a commandline option like --dynamic-space-size 2GB to increase the heap size
2016-02-18T12:39:51Z Xof: I thought you wouldn't need to move large arrays
2016-02-18T12:40:28Z scymtym_: forget what i said, then
2016-02-18T12:40:45Z jsnell: s-l-a-d moves everything (twice)
2016-02-18T12:40:52Z Xof: there you go then
2016-02-18T12:41:01Z Xof: I thought wrong
2016-02-18T12:41:20Z scymtym_: i was just going whether, maybe that could the difference between gc and s-l-a-d in the paste :)
2016-02-18T12:41:24Z Xof: oh, reminds me: should we try to be a GSoC organization this year?  Deadline tomorrow
2016-02-18T12:41:29Z scymtym_: s/going/going to ask/
2016-02-18T12:41:31Z jsnell: well, in all honesty I'm talking about what the situation was a decade ago!
2016-02-18T12:43:14Z jsnell: right, s-l-a-d as I remember it first forces a non-conservative(!) collection into the upper half of the heap. this guarantees that the lower half is empty. it then does another collection, which will fill the lower half of the heap with no fragmentation
2016-02-18T12:43:28Z scymtym_: Xof: has there been feedback for last year's rejection?
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2016-02-18T12:57:16Z leo_song: I tried `/usr/bin/sbcl --no-userinit --load heap_test.lisp --dynamic-space-size 2GB`, but it still crashes and report "Heap exhausted, game over."
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2016-02-18T12:59:35Z leo_song: I also found a dirty hack: delete the 2 "prepare_for_final_gc();" around line 4766 in the file "./src/runtime/gencgc.c"
2016-02-18T12:59:53Z leo_song: And compile SBCL again
2016-02-18T13:01:15Z leo_song: I mean the whole:
2016-02-18T13:01:15Z leo_song:     prepare_for_final_gc();
2016-02-18T13:01:15Z leo_song:     gencgc_alloc_start_page = last_free_page;
2016-02-18T13:01:15Z leo_song:     collect_garbage(HIGHEST_NORMAL_GENERATION+1);
2016-02-18T13:01:15Z leo_song:     prepare_for_final_gc();
2016-02-18T13:01:15Z leo_song:     gencgc_alloc_start_page = -1;
2016-02-18T13:01:15Z leo_song:     collect_garbage(HIGHEST_NORMAL_GENERATION+1);
2016-02-18T13:01:16Z leo_song: should be deleted.
2016-02-18T13:02:35Z leo_song: the "patched" version works well with my program with heavy arrays.
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2016-02-18T13:07:35Z scymtym_: leo_song: SBCL partitions commandline options into 1) runtime options, 2) toplevel options and 3) user options. commandline arguments have to adhere to this order (see man sbcl). in your case, --dynamic-space-size 2GB has to appear before the other arguments.
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2016-02-18T13:09:05Z Xof: scymtym_: just that it was time to give some others a go
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2016-02-18T13:15:50Z scymtym_: Xof: thanks. not the most helpful feedback when deciding whether to apply again, though
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2016-02-18T14:44:08Z Posterdati: hi
2016-02-18T14:44:45Z Posterdati: I've got problem compiling slime-2.14 on sbcl 1.3.2.86: Symbol *ASSEM-INSTRUCTIONS* not found in the SB-ASSEM package
2016-02-18T14:46:45Z scymtym_: Posterdati: this has been changed in SBCL recent. you probably have to update slime.
2016-02-18T14:47:12Z Posterdati: I taken the one from quicklisp repository
2016-02-18T14:49:08Z scymtym_: when this was discussed in #lisp, the slime fix wasn't available in quicklisp
2016-02-18T14:49:13Z scymtym_: that may still be the case
2016-02-18T14:50:51Z Posterdati: it seems there's still no fix
2016-02-18T14:53:01Z scymtym_: i think it was fixed in https://github.com/slime/slime/commit/cac99fa29bad856be2c96146f38c2a457b1d4ab7
2016-02-18T14:53:27Z Posterdati: not in the quicklisp repository version
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2016-02-18T14:54:13Z scymtym_: yes, that is possible, that's what i was trying to say
2016-02-18T14:54:36Z Posterdati: ok
2016-02-18T14:54:43Z Posterdati: I saw there's a 2.16
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2016-02-18T15:23:48Z Posterdati: scymtym_: your hint worked
2016-02-18T15:23:54Z Posterdati: scymtym_: thanks
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2016-02-18T15:48:48Z Guest31445: leo_song: yeah, knownish issue. I don't think your fix is a good plan in general.
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2016-02-18T16:46:35Z stassats: leo_song: you used --dynamic-space-size wrong
2016-02-18T16:46:40Z stassats: leo_song: it should go before --load
2016-02-18T16:46:57Z stassats: oh, that was already suggested
2016-02-18T16:48:45Z stassats: Posterdati: 2.16 doesn't have the fix, quicklisp doesn't have 2.16
2016-02-18T17:06:38Z Posterdati: stassats: I saw that already :(
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2016-02-18T21:35:50Z |3b|: hmm, failed AVER: (NULL SB-C::CURRENT) http://paste.lisp.org/+6LD5
2016-02-18T21:36:31Z stassats: compile-file within compile-file
2016-02-18T21:36:50Z |3b|: ah
2016-02-18T21:37:09Z stassats: with an error in the inner one
2016-02-18T21:37:15Z |3b|: is that not allowed, or just something that confuses sbcl?
2016-02-18T21:37:20Z stassats: the latter
2016-02-18T21:37:28Z stassats: "can't be bothered to fix it" kind
2016-02-18T21:37:44Z |3b|: yeah, sounds reasonable
2016-02-18T21:37:59Z |3b|: and i guess compile-file twice is what confuses it so it errors
2016-02-18T21:38:31Z |3b|: (the .asd file that errors tries to open a file based on *compile-file-pathname* or *load-truename*)
2016-02-18T21:39:03Z |3b|: or i guess compile-file once, at that point?
2016-02-18T21:39:42Z |3b| wasn't intending this file to be compile-filed anyway, so will just ignore it for now
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2016-02-29T11:12:40Z flip214: RPi 3 is an ARM 64bit....
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2016-02-29T12:13:46Z chris2: "over the next few months we will investigate whether there is value in moving to 64-bit mode"
2016-02-29T12:13:50Z chris2: sheesh :)
2016-02-29T12:19:30Z flip214: bigger fixnums are a good reason
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2016-02-29T13:13:23Z stassats: crap, noticed the wrong commit message just when i pressed "git push"
2016-02-29T13:13:48Z stassats: flip214: how about threads?
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2016-02-29T13:14:27Z flip214: stassats: on PPC? looked fine last time I tried
2016-02-29T13:14:41Z stassats: on arm64
2016-02-29T13:14:48Z flip214: rpi3 has 4 cores...
2016-02-29T13:14:58Z flip214: so threads would be good to have, yeah
2016-02-29T13:15:06Z stassats: threads are good with one core
2016-02-29T13:15:34Z flip214: ah, I guess you meant "threads are another good reason for amd64"
2016-02-29T13:15:40Z flip214: not only fixnums
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2016-02-29T13:16:17Z stassats: and there is no focus on arm32 development anymore
2016-02-29T13:16:20Z stassats: just keeping it working
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2016-02-29T13:34:37Z Xof: I have a half-finished threads port for arm32/linux
2016-02-29T13:34:56Z Xof: I've done the easy half, and it's been two months since I last looked at it
2016-02-29T13:35:23Z stassats: which approach did you take?
2016-02-29T13:35:41Z Xof: well, maybe "quarter finished"
2016-02-29T13:35:47Z Xof: all I've done is remove null-tn
2016-02-29T13:36:13Z Xof: the rest should be as simple as introducing thread-tn and pushing :sb-thread, right?
2016-02-29T13:36:16Z stassats: i see
2016-02-29T13:36:25Z stassats: "right"
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2016-02-29T13:40:37Z stassats: looks like sbcl built with debug 0 is not really great as a build host
2016-02-29T13:41:03Z stassats: or some other options i enabled for speeding up the build process
2016-02-29T13:41:57Z stassats: right, debug 1 gives me sane errors during xc
2016-02-29T13:44:38Z stassats: build times using an older sbcl with debug 0 2:23, the current but debug 1: 2:21
2016-02-29T13:44:43Z stassats: not really conclusive
2016-02-29T13:45:08Z stassats: it's not worse, there's that
2016-02-29T14:03:39Z stassats: setf schar compiles to something strange, i see compile-type-error for some reason
2016-02-29T14:07:28Z stassats: and it's all because of nil-strings
2016-02-29T14:13:58Z stassats: looking at move-to-character, how can it accept any-reg?
2016-02-29T14:15:08Z stassats: ok, i guess it can
2016-02-29T14:16:57Z stassats: there goes my plan of deleting MOVEs with equal locations
2016-02-29T14:38:33Z stassats: location= checks the storage base, but i need to check the storage class
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2016-02-29T15:02:34Z stassats: huh, (defun bar (x) (declare (fixnum x)) (loop repeat x do (print 10))) involves generic-..
2016-02-29T15:03:23Z stassats: but (declare (optimize speed)) removes them
2016-02-29T15:04:14Z stassats: ok, it happens only with debug 2
2016-02-29T15:25:10Z stassats: ok, solved the schar problem
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2016-02-29T16:38:35Z stassats: found a way not to cons a double in (let (x) (setf x 10d0) x), but (let ((x 3d0)) (setf x 10d0) x) still conses
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2016-02-29T16:44:16Z stassats: by avoid a conversion of constants in emit-moves-and-coercions
2016-02-29T16:44:40Z stassats: but the latter case first moves into a double reg, only then into a descriptor
2016-02-29T16:44:48Z stassats: so i will need a pass to see through that
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2016-02-29T16:58:57Z trinque: joshe: hi, would you happen to be the openbsd port maintainer? I sent you mail last week, if so.
2016-02-29T17:00:43Z stassats: trinque: you should have sent it to sbcl-devel@
2016-02-29T17:01:16Z trinque: ok. I sent it to the maintainer contact on the port.
2016-02-29T17:02:10Z stassats: there are is no such thing as a port maintainer, really
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2016-02-29T17:03:19Z trinque: stassats: would it be appropriate to send an attached patch for the port based at /usr/ports/lang/sbcl ? I am looking to get --with-sb-thread added as a flavor.
2016-02-29T17:03:34Z stassats: oh that port
2016-02-29T17:03:44Z stassats: well, that is confusing
2016-02-29T17:03:51Z trinque: ah yes, sorry. I meant openbsd "ports"
2016-02-29T17:04:00Z stassats: disregard then what i said
2016-02-29T17:04:52Z stassats: good thing it wasn't an rs232 port
2016-02-29T17:05:17Z trinque: hehe
2016-02-29T17:05:51Z stassats: or port wine, or the ship port, so much overloading!
2016-02-29T17:07:31Z flip214: pappa ante portas
2016-02-29T17:07:45Z flip214: or Prêt-à-Porter?
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2016-02-29T18:55:35Z stassats: looks like i need to understand the representation selection better to optimize float constant consing
2016-02-29T18:58:28Z stassats: seems like it's limited only to the immediate tn reads and writes
2016-02-29T18:58:37Z stassats: which can influence the subsequent ones in a wrong direction
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