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2015-04-02T08:19:19Z attila_lendvai: hi! anybody feels like merging a few pull requests? https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/pulls
2015-04-02T08:20:00Z attila_lendvai: e.g. I think this one is an improvement: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/pull/3
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2015-04-03T13:41:30Z pkhuong: |3b|: I don't think there's an easy (exposed) way to do this
2015-04-03T13:41:35Z pkhuong: erh, nvm.
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2015-04-03T17:51:56Z maveneagle: Hi, I am very new to common lisp. I checked out sbcl source, but the installation fails with an error "Can't open output/prefix.def".  Am i missing something?
2015-04-03T17:53:16Z stassats: it has to be built first
2015-04-03T17:54:37Z antoszka: maveneagle: if you're new, you might be better off just installing the binary version.
2015-04-03T17:55:15Z antoszka: maveneagle: either from sbcl project page, or prepackaged by your distrubution (if you're running linux), brew (os x), or whatever.
2015-04-03T17:55:40Z antoszka: maveneagle: you might then want to join #clnoobs, a good place for beginner questions.
2015-04-03T17:55:42Z stassats: building sbcl is not rocket science
2015-04-03T17:55:53Z antoszka: certainly not, but it's usually not necessary.
2015-04-03T17:55:59Z stassats: and will get you the latest version, not the version i was bothered to build
2015-04-03T17:59:37Z maveneagle: I was using the binary from apt-get, thought I will package sbcl in a docker container for which i wanted to build from source to get the latest. Anyways, will follow the INSTALL instruction
2015-04-03T18:00:56Z maveneagle: antoszka: thanks for the #clnoobs, good place for me to start
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2015-04-04T15:53:27Z stassats: (disassemble #'list) (sb-ext:exit) deadlocks netbsd
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2015-04-04T16:29:45Z stassats: (sb-sys:sap-foreign-symbol (sb-sys:int-sap 12345)) (sb-ext:exit) deadlocks netbsd
2015-04-04T16:37:30Z stassats:   dladdr(1234, &dlinfo); exit(0); does too
2015-04-04T16:37:35Z stassats: so, netbsd is just broken
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2015-04-04T16:51:51Z stassats: found where that happens
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2015-04-04T17:12:51Z stassats: reported, in the meantime, sbcl will remain broken on netbsd
2015-04-04T17:29:16Z stassats: or not, since i can disable dladdr by not saying os-provides-dladdr
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2015-04-07T00:15:37Z Bicyclidine: Hello #sbcl, can I get any advice on what to do when an FFI call fails like so? http://paste.lisp.org/+35B0
2015-04-07T00:15:58Z Bicyclidine: The equivalent calls work in C, so I imagine it has something to do with sbcl's fp flags, or something.
2015-04-07T00:32:51Z |3b| has used something like https://github.com/3b/cl-opengl/blob/master/glut/init.lisp#L39 for similar problems
2015-04-07T00:36:40Z Bicyclidine: That works, thank you. Finding out why would be exciting.
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2015-04-23T14:37:17Z clop: hi, i'm messing around with trying to write a faster hex printer/parser, especially for bignums; i see the functions in src/code/bignum.lisp, but i'm not sure how to access them, e.g., (sb!bignum::%bignum-length (expt 2 80)) says the sb!bignum package doesn't exist
2015-04-23T14:37:33Z clop: is there something i should read about how to hack around with sbcl internals like this?
2015-04-23T14:37:36Z clop: (i haven't done this before, sorry)
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2015-04-23T14:38:06Z stassats: sb-bignum
2015-04-23T14:38:14Z stassats: naturally
2015-04-23T14:38:29Z clop: aha, thanks!
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2015-04-23T15:25:26Z stassats: oh oops, cold init fault on win32-x86
2015-04-23T15:25:42Z Xof: that's why we have testing periods!
2015-04-23T15:26:22Z dougk_: and probably it's my fault. Can you make the early error-output stream work ?
2015-04-23T15:28:39Z stassats: it's a memory fault
2015-04-23T15:29:29Z stassats: which means it's probably my fault
2015-04-23T15:29:46Z dougk_: understood, but usually inserting plenty of (Write-string "I am here!") helps a lot.
2015-04-23T15:30:20Z dougk_: "sprinkle liberally throughout"
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2015-04-23T15:38:01Z stassats: "was writing 0000001, where: 0000000"
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2015-04-23T15:44:08Z stassats: csp = 05a
2015-04-23T15:44:12Z stassats: that doesn't sound right
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2015-04-23T15:56:26Z stassats: esp/ebp seem right, so CSP is just not put into the thread struct yet
2015-04-23T16:03:08Z stassats: the ip is around win32-unwind-tail
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2015-04-23T16:12:36Z stassats: weird, weird, time to bisect
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2015-04-23T16:53:40Z stassats: dougk_: seems like it's you, after all https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/commit/f3609c37df10288fe7be3721179a6f598772db03
2015-04-23T16:56:11Z dougk_: hm. so we don't correctly compute the routine start addresses only for win32?
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2015-04-23T16:59:44Z stassats: argh, bloody slime with its stupid source parser
2015-04-23T16:59:54Z stassats can't M-. to emit-alignment
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2015-04-23T17:01:55Z stassats: so, it aligns with zeros?
2015-04-23T17:02:16Z stassats: and zero is decoded ad as add (eax),al?
2015-04-23T17:02:40Z stassats: and for some reason rtlunwind jumps there, between unwind and win32-tail-unwind?
2015-04-23T17:03:37Z dougk_: it sounds like a bug that anything should be jumping there.
2015-04-23T17:03:58Z stassats: it is before win32-tail-unwind
2015-04-23T17:04:27Z stassats: so the alignment is from unwind
2015-04-23T17:04:43Z stassats: and the last instruction is call
2015-04-23T17:04:46Z stassats: there you go
2015-04-23T17:05:35Z dougk_: but absent the padding it would have fallen into the next routine, so either way it's doing something wrong, isn't it?
2015-04-23T17:06:58Z stassats: before that was harmless
2015-04-23T17:07:45Z dougk_: only by accident that 'generic+' did something harmless, then returned ?
2015-04-23T17:08:04Z dougk_: in other words, was it actually jumping into the start of the next assembly routine that happened to be there ?
2015-04-23T17:08:31Z stassats: it's not generic+, it's [unwind][win32-tail-unwind]
2015-04-23T17:08:51Z dougk_: oh, that's too sneaky.
2015-04-23T17:09:24Z stassats: but i don't think that's what it wants, see the previous instructions
2015-04-23T17:09:43Z stassats: it sets up a return address for win32-tail-unwind on the stack, but then uses call anyway
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2015-04-23T17:10:02Z stassats: so, rtlunwind is supposed to call it
2015-04-23T17:10:07Z stassats: but it was done in a wrong way
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2015-04-23T17:19:07Z stassats: wait, why just not unite them then?
2015-04-23T17:27:07Z nyef: Hang on, there's something stupid with the win32 unwind mechanism.
2015-04-23T17:28:06Z stassats: ok, got it working
2015-04-23T17:28:17Z stassats: just stuffed everything into the unwind routine, no win32-tail-unwind
2015-04-23T17:29:05Z nyef: Hrm. Maybe it was that I wasn't aware at the time that I could wedge a label like that into an assembly routine, so a fall-through was the better option.
2015-04-23T17:29:28Z nyef: Also, when padding out code, use NOPs FFS.
2015-04-23T17:29:54Z stassats: i also removed pushing of ebp and the address
2015-04-23T17:30:15Z stassats: just push 0 0 0, push ecx, call rtl-unwind
2015-04-23T17:30:21Z nyef: Umm... That might be considerably more dangrous.
2015-04-23T17:30:31Z stassats: well, it survived cold init
2015-04-23T17:30:40Z stassats: now let's see if it actually works
2015-04-23T17:31:23Z nyef: SEH is fragile, tricky, expecting to be called from C, and WILL bite if it thinks that anything even slightly odd is going on.
2015-04-23T17:32:56Z dougk_: nyef: using NOPs requires that you know how to encode a nop. 'emit-align' doesn't know. it accepts a 'pattern' but there is no way to ask the backend for the pattern (assuming there is a 1-byte nop that can simply be repeated, which there mightn't be)
2015-04-23T17:33:54Z dougk_: nyef: which means if the somewhat overemphatic statement was directed at me, I'm telling you it's not possible
2015-04-23T17:33:55Z nyef: Oh, ugh.
2015-04-23T17:34:08Z nyef: So push it to the actual return-sequence generating code?
2015-04-23T17:34:45Z nyef: Yes, it's duplication there, except that you also happen to know what NOPs are available.
2015-04-23T17:34:59Z stassats: surely it is possible, just have a support routine
2015-04-23T17:35:08Z nyef: Or that.
2015-04-23T17:36:20Z stassats: for some reason x86-64 sbcl built fine with EAFNOSUPPORT for sb-bsd-sockets, but not on x86
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2015-04-23T17:41:00Z stassats: i'll just include errno.h
2015-04-23T17:41:58Z dougk_: it's still not really possible to put 'emit-long-nop' in generate-return-sequence because you don't know how many bytes of nop to ask for.
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2015-04-23T17:43:16Z stassats: just plain ol xchg eax, eax?
2015-04-23T17:44:02Z dougk_: sure. but how many?
2015-04-23T17:45:40Z stassats: how many zeros?
2015-04-23T17:46:21Z dougk_: the way this worked when code constants followed the code was that we emitted a very long nop just to flush the instruction pipeline (because the bytes that followed are zero), then we emitted an align of 64
2015-04-23T17:46:39Z dougk_: this is all possible, just not worth over-thinking how to emit an alignment using nops and only nops.
2015-04-23T17:46:42Z stassats: 90 is no different from 0
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2015-04-23T17:47:03Z stassats: riscs is a different matter
2015-04-23T17:48:20Z stassats: NOP is better than ADD [EAX], AL
2015-04-23T17:51:43Z dougk_: probably, but we also pad Lisp code components with zeros. it's at least consistent
2015-04-23T17:52:17Z stassats: not so great for out of order execution
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2015-04-23T17:54:34Z stassats: so, the merger of unwind and win32-tail-unwind works for me
2015-04-23T18:08:05Z stassats: ok, win32-x86 is now ok
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2015-04-24T06:11:02Z hjs_: Fills up and eventually get a heap exhausted, even though there are only 3 live 2mb arrays at any time.  Here's the code: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147410
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2015-04-24T15:00:25Z mega1: I don't get how COMPILE-FILE-LINE brings us closer to backtraces with line numbers.
2015-04-24T15:10:14Z scymtym: mega1: the commit message of e68fa89d59b6c7531f026308d3aa6f0b462540a2 says that future work will use the new infrastructure to do line numbers in backtraces
2015-04-24T15:10:48Z mega1: Right. That's why I'm asking.
2015-04-24T15:14:42Z nyef: So, "how is this actually going to be used?"
2015-04-24T15:17:45Z scymtym: i guess storing character offsets for forms (which form-tracking-stream seems to provide) would make form-number-translation-hacks and access to the source file like in https://www.snellman.net/blog/archive/2007-12-19-pretty-sbcl-backtraces.html unnecessary
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2015-04-24T16:02:09Z mega1: scymtym: that must be it, thanks
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2015-04-25T08:50:02Z shka: good day everyone
2015-04-25T08:50:41Z shka: what does "38 lambdas converted" in the time output means?
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2015-04-26T09:23:16Z d125q: Hi guys. I'm trying to build the latest SBCL on Windows with MSYS2. The exe builds (and runs fine), but some contribs don't. Any idea what could be wrong?
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2015-04-26T10:29:07Z stassats: could be nothing
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2015-04-26T10:39:10Z d125q: What do you mean? Those contribs work fine on the pre-compiled Windows builds (which are a bit outdated)
2015-04-26T10:39:36Z d125q: sb-posix, sb-bsd-sockets, they all fail
2015-04-26T10:39:55Z d125q: (note that I am completely new to this)
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2015-04-26T11:43:33Z stassats: sb-posix and sb-bsd-sockets shouldn't fail
2015-04-26T11:44:00Z stassats: only sb-sprof and sb-concurrency can fail
2015-04-26T11:46:47Z d125q: well, unfortunately, they do
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2015-04-26T13:06:48Z Xof: d125q: the next step is to find out why: error messages from build logs
2015-04-26T13:35:16Z d125q: Xof: Here's the log: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihbjicfc316vy8u/BuildLog.txt?dl=0
2015-04-26T13:36:07Z stassats: that's not the latest sbcl, that's 1.2.10
2015-04-26T13:37:08Z d125q: Isn't 1.2.10 the latest stable release?
2015-04-26T13:37:41Z stassats: it is a release, but we can't take bug reports for old code
2015-04-26T13:37:51Z stassats: especially if they may happen to be fixed
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2015-04-26T13:40:08Z d125q: Alright, I'll grab the latest source from Git
2015-04-26T13:50:11Z d125q: stassats: Here is the log now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihbjicfc316vy8u/BuildLog.txt?dl=0
2015-04-26T13:50:29Z d125q: Less contribs failed now, but sb-posix and sb-bsd-sockets still did
2015-04-26T13:53:10Z d125q: if I try to run something which requires sb-posix, e.g. load Quicklisp, I get (SB-IMPL::REQUIRE-ERROR "Don't know how to ~S ~A." REQUIRE SB-POSIX)
2015-04-26T13:54:39Z stassats: it seems like your contribs are being compiled using a 32-bit compiler
2015-04-26T13:56:53Z stassats: or no, it just redefines off-t, but why doesn't that happen to me?
2015-04-26T13:57:30Z nyef: Different headers?
2015-04-26T13:59:15Z stassats: only if my headers do not have off_t
2015-04-26T13:59:31Z nyef: Or it has the same value?
2015-04-26T14:00:37Z stassats: it shouldn't
2015-04-26T14:03:59Z stassats: so, how come stuff-groveled-from-headers says it's 64 bits, and sb-grovel says it's 32?
2015-04-26T14:04:33Z nyef: CFLAGS ?
2015-04-26T14:06:06Z stassats: unlikely
2015-04-26T14:32:03Z d125q: Let me know if there's anything I can do to help, i.e. you need system-specific information
2015-04-26T14:33:40Z stassats: show us your output/stuff-groveled-from-headers.lisp
2015-04-26T14:37:02Z d125q: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3u64640rmkxmbmv/stuff-groveled-from-headers.lisp?dl=0
2015-04-26T14:38:09Z stassats: can't download it
2015-04-26T14:38:35Z stassats: ok, it just annoys me with a registering form
2015-04-26T14:39:04Z stassats: ok, off-t is signed 32 here
2015-04-26T14:39:56Z stassats: can you grep your headers for off_t definitions?
2015-04-26T14:42:07Z d125q: (define-alien-type off-t (signed 32))
2015-04-26T14:42:12Z d125q: (define-alien-type wst-off-t (unsigned 32))
2015-04-26T14:42:25Z stassats: that doesn't loo like C headers
2015-04-26T14:42:27Z d125q: sorry
2015-04-26T14:42:29Z d125q: I misread
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2015-04-26T14:52:16Z d125q: https://gist.github.com/d125q/61e1e57f35a459e51ac9
2015-04-26T14:57:45Z stassats: that's still 32 bits
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2015-04-26T15:31:41Z d125q: I can try using CLisp instead of SBCL to build, but if the issue is related to my gcc, I don't see how that'd help
2015-04-26T15:32:14Z Xof: yes, that's unlikely to help
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2015-04-26T15:53:04Z hjs: I think I found an optimizer/gc bug.  When I compile with declarations, I eventually exhaust the heap.  Without declarations, it uses less memory and doesn't exhaust the heap.
2015-04-26T15:55:32Z Xof: is this on x86(-64)?
2015-04-26T15:55:51Z Xof: one possibility is that you are paying the price for the conservative gc
2015-04-26T15:56:12Z Xof: with optimizations, you are more likely to keep intermediate results (which might "look like" pointers) in registers or on the stack
2015-04-26T15:56:28Z Xof: which then holds on to data which should be dead
2015-04-26T15:57:03Z hjs: It's on x86.
2015-04-26T15:58:22Z hjs: I had thought it was due poor interaction between the conservative GC and large arrays, but it happens even when I clear out the arrays.
2015-04-26T15:58:39Z hjs: bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1446962
2015-04-26T16:19:43Z stassats: your bug report says x86-64
2015-04-26T16:23:27Z stassats: and 1.2.7 wasn't the latest version on april 22
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2015-04-26T19:20:35Z akkad: linux mipsel is supported?
2015-04-26T19:20:46Z stassats: yes
2015-04-26T19:21:57Z akkad hunts for a binary to bootstrap the latest
2015-04-26T19:22:04Z akkad: clisp segfaults
2015-04-26T19:22:38Z stassats: just cross compile
2015-04-26T19:23:46Z stassats: bootstrapping on mips with clisp, that'll stretch into the next century
2015-04-26T19:24:46Z akkad: oh right.
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2015-04-26T19:30:38Z akkad: portable AND fast.
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2015-04-26T20:04:55Z nyef: Hrm.
2015-04-26T20:05:15Z nyef: Looks like I have a 32-bit big-endian MIPS userland sitting on a 64-bit kernel.
2015-04-26T20:18:01Z stassats: so, sb-grovel somehow results in _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64
2015-04-26T20:18:29Z nyef: ... CFLAGS issue?
2015-04-26T20:18:37Z nyef: Or, failing that, CC issue?
2015-04-26T20:18:55Z stassats: it doesn't use cflags
2015-04-26T20:19:00Z stassats: cc is the same gcc
2015-04-26T20:22:09Z stassats: very unlikely, but d125q may have EXTRA_CFLAGS with -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS
2015-04-26T20:22:25Z stassats: i may protect against that by resetting EXTRA_CFLAGS before using them
2015-04-26T20:24:10Z nyef: Hrm. Warnings while building backtrace, coreparse, gc-common, interr, interrupt, monitor, save, thread, validate, wrap, cheneygc...
2015-04-26T20:24:39Z nyef: Might have to try again after a git pull, but some of those will need attention once we're out of freeze.
2015-04-26T20:26:56Z stassats: d125q: try the latest revision
2015-04-26T20:29:25Z nyef: Heh. I just realized that I have basically no usable mipsel hardware, nor is any of the mips hardware that I'm trying to get running mipsel, it's all big-endian.
2015-04-26T20:29:34Z nyef: Also, all 64-bit hardware.
2015-04-26T20:38:14Z akkad: target-2 => ldb
2015-04-26T20:38:36Z nyef: Hrm. "//checking for leftover cold-init symbols" "Found -1:" "NIL" ?
2015-04-26T20:39:42Z nyef: akkad: What SBCL version?
2015-04-26T20:40:17Z akkad: latest from github
2015-04-26T20:40:30Z akkad: will gist it
2015-04-26T20:40:33Z nyef: So, 1.2.10.something?
2015-04-26T20:40:44Z akkad: yeah 1.2.10.76-hash
2015-04-26T20:41:16Z nyef: Okay, I'm building contribs on 1.2.10.22.
2015-04-26T20:41:17Z akkad: target 2 on linux mipsel
2015-04-26T20:41:46Z nyef: So either we're looking at an environmental issue or something broke in the intervening 54 commits.
2015-04-26T20:42:06Z nyef: (endianness counts as environmental for this purpose.)
2015-04-26T20:42:21Z akkad: let me try .22
2015-04-26T20:42:41Z nyef: I'm going to try a native build of HEAD next.
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2015-04-26T20:44:40Z akkad: what mips devs do you guys use?
2015-04-26T20:44:47Z akkad: hardware
2015-04-26T20:45:52Z nyef: I'm trying to get a workable MIPS setup, so for now I'm using a Ubiquiti ERLite-3, but I have some SGI IP35 hardware that I'm trying to get running and I should be getting an SGI IP27 soon.
2015-04-26T20:46:18Z akkad: nice
2015-04-26T20:46:19Z nyef: What are you using?
2015-04-26T20:46:26Z akkad: ci20
2015-04-26T20:46:28Z nyef: Ah.
2015-04-26T20:46:41Z akkad: less power than the sgi stuff
2015-04-26T20:46:42Z nyef: I should try to RMA my CI20 if it's not too late. /-:
2015-04-26T20:46:56Z akkad: did it die?
2015-04-26T20:47:07Z nyef: Yeah. Thermal issues right off, it seems.
2015-04-26T20:47:29Z akkad: in a case?
2015-04-26T20:48:03Z nyef: No, dangling from an HDMI cable in front of the chest of drawers that my TV is sitting on.
2015-04-26T20:48:10Z akkad: nice
2015-04-26T20:48:12Z nyef: In the middle of winter.
2015-04-26T20:50:01Z stassats: oops, broke all contribs on linux
2015-04-26T20:50:19Z akkad: is there a sha for 1.2.10.22?
2015-04-26T20:50:23Z nyef: stassats: Oh dear. Please let us know when it's safe to git pull again.
2015-04-26T20:50:30Z nyef: 1e54958
2015-04-26T20:50:33Z akkad: ty
2015-04-26T20:50:44Z nyef: (Copied straight from my version.lisp-expr)
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2015-04-26T20:51:26Z akkad: ahh. ty, not sure where those were tracked, was checking commits
2015-04-26T20:52:32Z nyef: The mapping from version number to commit hash is only defined about once a month, but the mapping the other way is done via generate-version.sh.
2015-04-26T20:52:39Z nyef: (Or whatever the script is called.)
2015-04-26T20:52:51Z stassats: in a second
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2015-04-26T20:55:39Z akkad: how fast is the erlite vs say ci20?
2015-04-26T20:56:01Z nyef: I suppose I could try to set up the chroot for my E3000 to get a little-endian box...
2015-04-26T20:56:05Z nyef: I don't know.
2015-04-26T20:56:25Z nyef: I think the erlite-3 is a 500 MHz CPU, but it's claiming 1000 bogoMIPS.
2015-04-26T20:56:47Z stassats got a arm-64 device recently
2015-04-26T20:56:49Z akkad: openssl speed aes # just curious
2015-04-26T20:57:12Z nyef: akkad: I'll try that once my current build is done.
2015-04-26T20:57:18Z nyef: stassats: Ooh. Port time?
2015-04-26T20:57:19Z akkad: ty
2015-04-26T20:57:22Z stassats: though not sure i want to root it just yet, can do a convoluted java dance to run sbcl on it, and then somehow port it to 64
2015-04-26T21:00:08Z nyef: Hrm. The sb-sprof tests seem to be taking their own sweet time.
2015-04-26T21:00:22Z nyef: And I *know* it's not a thread-synchronization issue.
2015-04-26T21:01:21Z nyef: stassats: So, do you think the two of us can be people two and three to port SBCL to a 64-bit architecture? (-:
2015-04-26T21:01:22Z akkad: hmm still bombing to ldb on that revision
2015-04-26T21:01:52Z nyef: akkad: Okay, so sounds like there's some debugging to do.
2015-04-26T21:02:04Z stassats: nyef: maybe
2015-04-26T21:02:16Z akkad: k
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2015-04-26T21:02:33Z nyef: akkad: The first thing to do is probably to build with sb-show.
2015-04-26T21:02:51Z akkad: k
2015-04-26T21:02:52Z nyef: Hrm. And/or get a backtrace.
2015-04-26T21:02:54Z stassats: i still need to fix two things, constant types causing closures, but not really, and deadlocks on sb-safepoint (read windows)
2015-04-26T21:03:01Z akkad: ldb>
2015-04-26T21:03:22Z stassats: deadlocks caused by consing inside without-gcing (who thought that was a good idea?)
2015-04-26T21:03:30Z akkad: https://gist.github.com/6f676401b7c5ac083c86
2015-04-26T21:03:54Z nyef: Hrm.
2015-04-26T21:03:57Z nyef: Okay, that's neat.
2015-04-26T21:04:11Z nyef: Didn't we have something like that on PPC at one point?
2015-04-26T21:05:35Z nyef: Right, sigmasks are inherited across processes.
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2015-04-26T21:06:52Z nyef: Does the runtime do any sanity checking or enforcement on signal masks before starting the world spinning?
2015-04-26T21:07:14Z stassats: i have built recently mips sbcl of version... i don't know, because debian just broke qemu
2015-04-26T21:07:54Z nyef: ... My build is *still* running that sb-sprof test.
2015-04-26T21:07:55Z stassats: why on earth does qemu need gnutls?
2015-04-26T21:08:28Z nyef: Directly need, or as a transitive dependency?
2015-04-26T21:08:49Z stassats: need, the dependency is broken
2015-04-26T21:10:16Z nyef kills the sbcl build.
2015-04-26T21:11:46Z nyef: akkad: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147543
2015-04-26T21:12:07Z stassats: maybe because i built qemu myself, because debian had some antiquated version
2015-04-26T21:16:35Z nyef: Oh, damnit. What's the remote for the public git repo? My current tree is pointing to something that needs my sourceforge ssh key.
2015-04-26T21:17:10Z akkad: git@github.com/sbcl/sbcl?
2015-04-26T21:18:32Z akkad: sad these mips devices are soo slow.
2015-04-26T21:18:33Z nyef: As an ssh, git, or http url?
2015-04-26T21:18:58Z akkad: http://github.com/sbcl/sbcl
2015-04-26T21:19:03Z stassats: that's a mirror
2015-04-26T21:19:08Z akkad: k
2015-04-26T21:19:34Z nyef: Okay, got a pull to work at least. Thanks.
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2015-04-26T21:19:49Z nyef: Most recent change that I see is from Friday, something about a MOVNTI encoder/printer.
2015-04-26T21:20:43Z stassats: which is not the latest change
2015-04-26T21:21:31Z stassats: not that that matters
2015-04-26T21:21:53Z d125q: stassats: I will attempt to build from Git now. Thank you for your time; it really means a lot.
2015-04-26T21:22:39Z nyef: Mmm. Doesn't look like I'm missing anything important at this point.
2015-04-26T21:22:43Z nyef: Trying a full build now.
2015-04-26T21:23:09Z stassats: what, you don't want a roller-coaster of broken contrib builds?
2015-04-26T21:24:11Z nyef: Given that my last build seemed to run the sb-sprof contrib test without end?
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2015-04-26T21:24:43Z stassats: better than the netbsd problem, it run sb-sprof fine, but couldn't exit sbcl
2015-04-26T21:25:42Z akkad: netbsd problem?
2015-04-26T21:25:54Z stassats: a bug in netbsd
2015-04-26T21:26:25Z akkad: ASau: manages that right?
2015-04-26T21:26:47Z stassats: i already submitted a fix and it's been applied
2015-04-26T21:26:53Z akkad: excellent
2015-04-26T21:27:02Z stassats: but sbcl still has the feature disabled
2015-04-26T21:27:47Z stassats: got my "mips" to run, and sbcl version i built is... 1.0.99
2015-04-26T21:28:16Z nyef: Wow. That's... Not quite recent.
2015-04-26T21:28:29Z stassats: that's a dummy version
2015-04-26T21:28:58Z d125q: https://gist.github.com/d125q/e0f38dcad4685c498e70
2015-04-26T21:30:37Z stassats: d125q: i didn't touch that part
2015-04-26T21:32:13Z stassats: and now you have cygwin and not mingw
2015-04-26T21:33:05Z akkad: 1.2.10 too damn
2015-04-26T21:34:52Z stassats: Unhandled TYPE-ERROR: The value NIL is not of type PACKAGE.
2015-04-26T21:35:02Z stassats: (SB!FASL::INITIALIZE-NON-NIL-SYMBOLS)
2015-04-26T21:35:19Z akkad wanders off to find a prebuilt
2015-04-26T21:36:51Z nyef: akkad: in src/runtime/interrupt.c, at the end of interrupt_init(), add a call to unblock_blockable_signals(0, 0); and see if it helps.
2015-04-26T21:37:57Z stassats: that's from making a mips xc, arm xc builds fine
2015-04-26T21:38:00Z stassats: what gives?
2015-04-26T21:38:26Z nyef: stassats: cheneygc arm?
2015-04-26T21:38:47Z stassats: gengc arm
2015-04-26T21:38:53Z nyef: gengc mips?
2015-04-26T21:38:58Z nyef: (Yes, that's a trick question.)
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2015-04-26T21:40:16Z akkad: nyef k
2015-04-26T21:40:43Z akkad: 1.0.28 is good :P
2015-04-26T21:41:04Z nyef: 1.0.28? Hrm... Bet you can't build it. d-:
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2015-04-26T21:41:22Z akkad: prebuilt
2015-04-26T21:41:38Z stassats: well, i have 1.2.8
2015-04-26T21:42:06Z stassats: (SB!FASL::COLD-INTERN SB!VM:*ALLOC-SIGNAL* :ACCESS NIL :GSPACE #<SB!FASL::GSPACE :STATIC>)
2015-04-26T21:42:11Z nyef: Yeah. I think that's the version that I couldn't figure out how on earth there was a pre-built copy because I couldn't actually build it from source due to how screwed up it had been for the past few years...
2015-04-26T21:42:14Z akkad: that would be nice. while I debug this build issue
2015-04-26T21:45:22Z stassats: nyef: cheneygc arm xc builds fine
2015-04-26T21:45:27Z stassats: what the hell?
2015-04-26T21:45:35Z d125q: stassats: Excuse the blooper. https://gist.githubusercontent.com/d125q/93e882db8ea36da73fe1/raw/BuildLog.txt
2015-04-26T21:45:43Z nyef: Okay, I have no idea.
2015-04-26T21:46:13Z nyef: And my MIPS XC built well enough as well.
2015-04-26T21:46:24Z stassats: d125q: ok, your gcc / headers are bonkers indeed
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2015-04-26T21:54:05Z akkad: hmm
2015-04-26T21:55:47Z akkad: no love on that fix.
2015-04-26T21:56:08Z akkad would gladly take a 1.2.x tgz of a built mipsel :P
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2015-04-26T21:59:44Z nyef: Okay, that's definitely odd. the change should have forced all of the deferrable and gc signals to unblocked, and after that the runtime should be able to manage them more-or-less on its own.
2015-04-26T22:00:20Z akkad: I redid the host1, target1, host2, target2 order after the change only. no cleanup
2015-04-26T22:01:00Z nyef: Mmm. That change should've only needed target1, host2-genesis, target2.
2015-04-26T22:01:24Z akkad: ok.
2015-04-26T22:01:33Z stassats: (assoc 'SB!VM:*ALLOC-SIGNAL* sb-cold:*symbol-values-for-genesis*) => (SB!VM:*ALLOC-SIGNAL*)
2015-04-26T22:03:36Z nyef: Hrm. I... don't understand the conditional at the top of interrupt_init().
2015-04-26T22:04:05Z akkad: trying ust native build
2015-04-26T22:04:17Z akkad: bombs must faster with same interrupt stuff
2015-04-26T22:04:32Z akkad: HEAD + git clean + git reset --hard origin/master
2015-04-26T22:06:08Z akkad: [67688.063801] do_page_fault() #2: sending SIGSEGV to sbcl for invalid write access to; [67688.063813] 50c10004 (epc == 011ead54, ra == 011eaf7c)
2015-04-26T22:06:40Z stassats: tjat
2015-04-26T22:06:55Z stassats: that's not how *symbol-values-for-genesis* should look
2015-04-26T22:10:20Z stassats: Jan 10 21:38 output/init-symbol-values.lisp-expr
2015-04-26T22:10:22Z akkad: ahh that's the 1.0.28 dropping for same error
2015-04-26T22:10:30Z stassats: that's not today
2015-04-26T22:11:41Z stassats: deleted that file, it went ok
2015-04-26T22:11:42Z stassats: what?
2015-04-26T22:12:38Z akkad: https://gist.github.com/f0d80b04f57c34592850
2015-04-26T22:12:39Z stassats: oh, it appends stuff
2015-04-26T22:12:56Z akkad: seeing the same issue with the 1.0.28 bin I downloaded from sourceforget
2015-04-26T22:12:59Z stassats: arguably, running ./clean.sh is a good idea
2015-04-26T22:13:02Z stassats: but still
2015-04-26T22:13:24Z nyef: akkad: Yeah, something weird is going on with the signal masks in your system for some reason.
2015-04-26T22:14:14Z nyef: akkad: It'll affect basically any SBCL version until we can track it down and nail it to the wall... even if it turns out to be a kernel bug (not unheard of) rather than some sort of weird startup environment thing.
2015-04-26T22:16:24Z stassats: ok, back on track
2015-04-26T22:16:36Z nyef: stassats: What'd it turn out to be?
2015-04-26T22:16:42Z stassats: see above
2015-04-26T22:16:57Z nyef: ... Stale fasls?
2015-04-26T22:17:05Z stassats: stale .lisp-expr
2015-04-26T22:17:13Z nyef: bwah?
2015-04-26T22:17:22Z nyef: Good grief.
2015-04-26T22:17:34Z stassats: it loads and writes there
2015-04-26T22:17:39Z stassats: effectively appending
2015-04-26T22:19:11Z stassats: and the windows grovelling problem is still a mystery
2015-04-26T22:19:19Z stassats: especially since it works fine for me
2015-04-26T22:19:31Z stassats: no cflags, no make involved
2015-04-26T22:20:29Z nyef: I'd suggest that, because the state of the art in linux and osx package management is so much better than on windows, it's probably specific to that one system.
2015-04-26T22:21:00Z stassats: msys 2.0 is supposed to use arch's pacman
2015-04-26T22:23:01Z stassats: even make-target-1 is painfully slow
2015-04-26T22:24:02Z nyef: I don't know if this build is slow because the system is slow, if it's slow because it's on cheneygc, or if it's just slow.
2015-04-26T22:24:22Z stassats: both?
2015-04-26T22:25:04Z stassats: now i hope if it dies it dies in cold-init
2015-04-26T22:25:31Z nyef: Well, it could be that the MIPS backend is slow because of not getting any of the fun optimizations over the years.
2015-04-26T22:26:53Z stassats: compiling pcl, that'll take the whole night
2015-04-26T22:27:23Z stassats: so, is that a le issue or what?
2015-04-26T22:27:43Z nyef: Is what an le issue?
2015-04-26T22:27:50Z stassats: akkad's issue
2015-04-26T22:27:57Z stassats: or i don't know
2015-04-26T22:27:58Z nyef: Ah, probably not.
2015-04-26T22:28:25Z nyef: Looks like either the kernel is playing sillybuggers with the signal mask during signal handling or the default signal environment is just weird.
2015-04-26T22:28:55Z nyef: If you look at thread.c, you'll see a point where the GC signals get unblocked on PPC, because for some reason they default to being blocked, for example.
2015-04-26T22:28:59Z stassats: or is real mips too real?
2015-04-26T22:29:03Z nyef: That'd be a weird default environment.
2015-04-26T22:29:23Z stassats: a cpu issue, anyone?
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2015-04-26T22:29:28Z nyef: Also possible.
2015-04-26T22:29:41Z nyef: There's a reason why I don't trust emulators, after all. (-:
2015-04-26T22:29:47Z stassats: never had those yet
2015-04-26T22:30:36Z stassats: knowingly
2015-04-26T22:30:53Z nyef: Ah! Genesis. Finally!
2015-04-26T22:36:12Z stassats: time for some lighter entairtainment than watching mips target-2
2015-04-26T22:36:24Z nyef: Mmm.
2015-04-26T22:36:30Z nyef: Maybe even dinner, here.
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2015-04-26T23:03:12Z nyef: Okay, killed the sb-sprof test. Failed contribs: sb-gmp and sb-sprof.
2015-04-26T23:03:54Z nyef: It puts out about 24 lines of output, and then sits and uses up 100% CPU.
2015-04-26T23:09:18Z stassats: checking for leftover cold-init symbols, yeah
2015-04-26T23:13:09Z stassats: so, it's sometimes off by one
2015-04-26T23:13:13Z nyef: I wonder how much of this slowness is from the filesystem being on a USB flash disk?
2015-04-26T23:13:24Z nyef: Ah, the -1: NIL thing?
2015-04-26T23:13:32Z stassats: yeah
2015-04-26T23:13:41Z nyef: Mmm.
2015-04-26T23:13:59Z nyef: That was odd.
2015-04-26T23:15:11Z stassats: i'm note sure what's the point of that check, if it varies so widely
2015-04-26T23:25:21Z nyef: Ah, following the ARM case for the sprof consing test cleaned that up nicely.
2015-04-26T23:25:53Z stassats: so, it's that slow?
2015-04-26T23:26:12Z nyef: I have to wonder, does it being cheneygc make things worse?
2015-04-26T23:26:46Z stassats: i think i did those sprof test changes before there was gengc
2015-04-26T23:26:49Z nyef: Well, this is a cheap router, not a chunk of old-school supercomputer...
2015-04-26T23:27:29Z nyef: Hrm. So maybe PPC/cheneygc would also be affected?
2015-04-26T23:28:15Z stassats: is component-from-pc any faster on gengc?
2015-04-26T23:29:22Z nyef: Umm... Probably, but it shouldn't be particularly necessary on EITHER unless you're on an x86oid.
2015-04-26T23:30:38Z nyef: On cheneygc, it probably has to do a linear scan of all the heap spaces. On gencgc it has the page table to narrow that down a lot. But on any arch that supports gencgc, the program counter has to point outside the heap, to static or read-only space, or be an interior-pointer.
2015-04-26T23:30:51Z nyef: And that last would be a huge shortcut.
2015-04-26T23:30:58Z nyef: e
2015-04-26T23:31:00Z nyef: Err...
2015-04-26T23:31:09Z nyef: Any arch that supports CHENEYGC, sorry. Not gencgc.
2015-04-26T23:31:36Z stassats: my interest stops at the word "cheneygc"
2015-04-26T23:32:17Z nyef: Well, how about reverting those arm test changes and seeing if they're necessary on gencgc?
2015-04-26T23:32:42Z stassats: try it on rpi
2015-04-26T23:33:05Z nyef: Of course, it could be the full copy of dynamic space that has to be made each time the GC triggers on cheneygc that's the issue.
2015-04-26T23:33:28Z stassats: maybe it should just calibrate itself
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2015-04-26T23:38:00Z nyef: What I'm thinking right now is that I should keep the change as a local patch, do the control test that you suggested with my RPi, set up MIPS GENCGC and test *that*, and then make a determination.
2015-04-26T23:41:04Z stassats: i got all contribs failing
2015-04-26T23:41:37Z nyef runs the test suite.
2015-04-26T23:43:48Z stassats: blimey, undefine is for make 3.82 and higher
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2015-04-26T23:48:14Z stassats: but sb-sprof fails with memfault at 4
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2015-04-27T14:55:25Z Xof: hey, wait a minute
2015-04-27T14:55:27Z Xof: Jessie is released
2015-04-27T14:55:35Z Xof: that means I can probably upgrade my squeeze chroot to wheezy
2015-04-27T14:56:13Z Xof: maybe one last squeeze build
2015-04-27T14:56:19Z stassats: how progressive
2015-04-27T14:57:20Z stassats: %asin definition on win32 is pretty embarrassing
2015-04-27T14:57:39Z stassats: and naturally no hint to why it's even needed
2015-04-27T14:57:47Z nyef: We have threads on OpenBSD, but it's not NEWS?
2015-04-27T14:59:12Z Xof: we do?
2015-04-27T14:59:18Z Xof: when did that happen?
2015-04-27T14:59:42Z stassats: nobody knows, it not in the news
2015-04-27T14:59:52Z nyef: Not sure when it got merged, but the commit date is something like last October.
2015-04-27T15:00:17Z nyef: joshe: Care to join in here?
2015-04-27T15:01:08Z nyef: Commit 29658be0d9a4ad048da9632b5869adda403552a8
2015-04-27T15:01:15Z Xof: got merged in October last
2015-04-27T15:01:27Z Xof: write NEWS entries with your scary experimental patches, people!
2015-04-27T15:01:37Z Xof: (I know, awkward because of merge conflicts)
2015-04-27T15:02:06Z Xof: also, funny: someone asked me about getting threads up on OpenBSD at ELS, and my answer was along the lines of "dunno, but probably lots of staring at traces in gdb"
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2015-04-27T15:05:12Z stassats: current sbcl mips built fine for me on qemu
2015-04-27T15:05:15Z stassats: be
2015-04-27T15:05:22Z stassats: including sb-sprof tests
2015-04-27T15:05:25Z akkad: qemu
2015-04-27T15:05:41Z nyef: So, possibly "just" a speed issue?
2015-04-27T15:05:50Z nyef: Have you run the test suite yet?
2015-04-27T15:05:53Z stassats: no
2015-04-27T15:05:58Z akkad: in qemu what does 'openssl speed aes' generate?
2015-04-27T15:06:16Z akkad never found qemu speed for other archs to be fast
2015-04-27T15:06:19Z joshe: I enabled threads on openbsd/amd64 a while ago
2015-04-27T15:06:21Z akkad: you doing system or user mode?
2015-04-27T15:06:26Z akkad: joshe nice!
2015-04-27T15:06:40Z akkad: joshe ppc next? :P
2015-04-27T15:06:41Z joshe: honestly I forgot there was a NEWS file, sorry about that
2015-04-27T15:07:03Z joshe: akkad: i386 next, I tried ppc but was getting SIGILL
2015-04-27T15:07:42Z joshe: for i386, I just have to decide if I want to implement LDT_AUTO in the kernel or work around it in userland
2015-04-27T15:07:50Z stassats: akkad: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147563
2015-04-27T15:08:13Z Xof: in unrelated news: does anyone have any bright ideas for generating a "large, landscape-format" sbcl-related picture?
2015-04-27T15:08:51Z akkad: joshe: so pthread(2) is fully supported on with kernel support on open?
2015-04-27T15:09:05Z Shinmera: Xof: Related how?
2015-04-27T15:09:07Z akkad: not just green threads?
2015-04-27T15:09:09Z joshe: yes, for several years now
2015-04-27T15:09:19Z joshe: well, I don't know about "fully"
2015-04-27T15:09:20Z akkad: joshe: rthreads?
2015-04-27T15:09:26Z joshe: can you ever fully implement posix?
2015-04-27T15:09:33Z joshe: yes, rthreads
2015-04-27T15:09:35Z Xof: Shinmera: however anyone likes
2015-04-27T15:09:38Z Xof: (for marketing purposes)
2015-04-27T15:09:45Z jdz: Xof: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steel+bank&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=I1E-VcqKMofVaoC5gPAM&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1332&bih=809 not good enough for you?
2015-04-27T15:09:46Z akkad thought there was a giant lock still around all kernel structures
2015-04-27T15:09:50Z Xof: no
2015-04-27T15:09:56Z Shinmera: Xof: A nicely coloured memory map is what sprung to my mind.
2015-04-27T15:10:02Z joshe: akkad: looks like the switch was in 2008
2015-04-27T15:10:05Z Xof: a bunch of terminals is probably not what my department has in mind :-)
2015-04-27T15:10:09Z Xof: Shinmera: nice idea
2015-04-27T15:10:23Z akkad: joshe: ahh. I've not seriously used it since 2006. will check it out, if it works, it ships :P
2015-04-27T15:10:24Z joshe: oh, most of the kernel code is still under the big lock
2015-04-27T15:10:34Z jdz: Xof: how about images on "steal bank"?
2015-04-27T15:10:47Z stassats: S in green, B in yellow, C in gray, L in red
2015-04-27T15:11:03Z joshe: there's been some quiet work on more fine-grained locking in the network and storage stacks
2015-04-27T15:11:32Z Xof: when we get to version 5 this problem will be much simpler
2015-04-27T15:12:28Z Xof: even version 3
2015-04-27T15:13:32Z Xof: https://common-lisp.net/project/lgtk/pb.png
2015-04-27T15:16:01Z Xof: well, crud.  52 from-xc files differ between sbcl and ccl32
2015-04-27T15:16:20Z Xof: honestly, I leave you folks alone for three months, and what happens?
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2015-04-27T15:25:04Z nyef: Hrm. I had a bit of commit activity at about mid-February and early-March, but they were fairly deep compiler things, shouldn't really have affected cross-build consistency.
2015-04-27T15:26:15Z Xof: the good news is that it's probably one fairly simple thing
2015-04-27T15:26:22Z Xof: or maybe two
2015-04-27T15:27:08Z Xof: almost certainly to do with code structure sharing or something similar
2015-04-27T15:29:59Z Xof: currently suspecting: 2994dfad06a13e9353de1e4ca8bba132fc0eb952
2015-04-27T15:33:53Z stassats: oops, my sb-introspect regression fix didn't make it
2015-04-27T15:34:23Z pkhuong: (typep (symbol-name lookalike) 'base-string) ? :|
2015-04-27T15:34:56Z stassats: oh well, i guess people can live a month without M-. finding VOPs through translated function names
2015-04-27T15:37:11Z Xof: pkhuong: yeah :-/
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2015-04-27T15:40:20Z scymtym: Xof: once we achieve host-independent (and build-directory-independent) build results once, we can automatically check for regressions
2015-04-27T15:41:06Z Xof: yes!  We were so close back in November
2015-04-27T15:41:11Z Xof: it's definitely still on my whiteboard
2015-04-27T15:41:37Z Xof: unfortunately there are a lot of things on my whiteboard, mostly with higher priority :-(
2015-04-27T15:43:08Z scymtym: speaking of regressions: there is still script.test.sh on MacOS (https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/featureset=4,label=MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit/lastCompletedBuild/consoleFull, search for "--script unexpected error output")
2015-04-27T15:43:36Z stassats: so, apparently atan and friends are sometimes not present on windows, but then why not use x87?
2015-04-27T15:43:57Z oleo: why is there no cos function ?
2015-04-27T15:44:36Z oleo: bloody question sry
2015-04-27T15:45:00Z Xof: maybe this is the image to use: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbcl/files/sbcl/stats/timeline?dates=2000-04-21+to+2015-04-20
2015-04-27T15:45:48Z stassats: what happened in 2011?
2015-04-27T15:47:17Z Xof: no idea
2015-04-27T15:47:23Z nyef: Over may/june 2011, specifically?
2015-04-27T15:47:36Z Xof: maybe a month-long sourceforge outage :-)
2015-04-27T15:47:41Z nyef: Heh.
2015-04-27T15:48:12Z nyef: The switchover to git?
2015-04-27T15:48:27Z Xof: of course with the startup/venture capitalist eye, the question is "what happened in 2008?" -- that nice exponential-looking function, not growing any more
2015-04-27T15:48:51Z pkhuong: stassats: x87 is interestingly inaccurate.
2015-04-27T15:49:37Z stassats: the current definitions are not less bizarre
2015-04-27T15:49:47Z Xof: ha.  there are 5 files differing between ccl build host and clisp build host
2015-04-27T15:49:51Z Xof: there might be a second cause :-/
2015-04-27T15:50:01Z stassats: but we use x87 on non-windows x86, what makes windows so special?
2015-04-27T15:50:21Z nyef: Let's see... 1.0.47 added --script, that might have something to do with it.
2015-04-27T15:51:07Z nyef: Oh, wait, no that was earlier.
2015-04-27T15:51:21Z nyef: There was a tweak to it to do some muffling in 1.0.47.
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2015-04-27T16:29:31Z |3b| wonders if git is what happened in 2008
2015-04-27T16:30:25Z Xof: "git breaks the hockey-stick growth of your software, as everyone tries to work out how to do anything"
2015-04-27T16:30:42Z Xof: easy enough to work out: all we need to do is find the last "forgot to bump version.lisp-expr commit"
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2015-04-27T16:32:08Z Xof: looks like we moved to git in 2011
2015-04-27T16:32:48Z Xof: May/June 2011, specifically, nyef :-)
2015-04-27T16:34:04Z nyef: Found by doing a git log of version.lisp-expr. (-:
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2015-04-27T18:18:22Z nyef: Okay, MIPS test results: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147572
2015-04-27T18:18:34Z nyef: They could have been a LOT worse.
2015-04-27T18:19:31Z stassats: i don't have the arith pure one
2015-04-27T18:20:24Z stassats: and it took two hours to complete
2015-04-27T18:20:47Z nyef: Sounds plausible.
2015-04-27T18:20:53Z stassats: some tests imply gengc
2015-04-27T18:21:14Z nyef: Right, having those explicitly marked as such would be nice.
2015-04-27T18:21:35Z nyef: But they're going to be easier to track down on ARM, PPC, or SPARC, IIRC.
2015-04-27T18:21:53Z stassats: since when is test output prefixed with times?
2015-04-27T18:22:34Z stassats: since mips
2015-04-27T18:24:36Z stassats: re windows and trigonometric functions, i think i'll just remove win32 special casing
2015-04-27T18:24:58Z stassats: things work for me, if they do not work for anyone else, they should grab the same build environment
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2015-04-27T18:43:45Z nyef: Okay, the map-referencing-objects test fails on cheneygc because the selected object is purified, and thus in static space.
2015-04-27T18:45:03Z nyef: That, I can fix easily enough.
2015-04-27T19:17:32Z nyef: Ah, no more code freeze?
2015-04-27T19:32:13Z Xof: go go go
2015-04-27T19:32:25Z Xof: in the time it takes a mips to build, you have an unfrozen tree
2015-04-27T19:32:59Z stassats: that's how much heat it generates
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2015-04-27T19:50:05Z nyef: Now, if I could just get one of these boat-anchors to run Linux... /-:
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2015-04-27T20:34:17Z nyef: stassats: I'm looking at the commit which removes WIN32-UNWIND-TAIL, and it really looks to me like it breaks the unwind semantics on some versions of Win32.
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2015-04-27T20:35:31Z stassats: which versions?
2015-04-27T20:35:35Z stassats: and what are the semantics?
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2015-04-27T20:36:20Z nyef: Might be as far back as WinXP, but the return address for the faked-up frame was the return address that actually got used by RtlUnwind.
2015-04-27T20:37:07Z nyef: Hence the comment about "yes, this is how rtlunwind works".
2015-04-27T20:38:09Z stassats: except that it didn't on my windows
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2015-04-27T20:40:44Z nyef: Mmm. Okay.
2015-04-27T20:40:55Z nyef: And it's not like I use windows for anything these days if I can help it.
2015-04-27T20:46:07Z stassats: from what i can surmise, it may actually need to pass the return address as the second argument
2015-04-27T20:46:26Z stassats: or make it 0, in which case it just returns, empirically
2015-04-27T20:46:55Z stassats: i'll make windows binaries, just to see if anyone reports anything
2015-04-27T20:56:30Z stassats: done, let's see any hold outs with windows xp
2015-04-27T20:57:26Z nyef: Or if I simply misunderstood what was going on when I wrote that code in the first place.
2015-04-27T20:58:39Z stassats: well, it may have worked by accident
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2015-04-28T03:52:04Z nyef: ... Did someone break sb-cover's coverage reporting at some point, or have I been using it wrong from day one and it only worked by accident?
2015-04-28T03:53:13Z pkhuong: we have a lot of recent changes on source locations
2015-04-28T03:55:07Z nyef: So, "error finding source location for source path (3 1 0 2 2 1) in file ..." followed by repeats for successively shorter lists (by truncating the end, not the beginning) until it hits NIL is plausible?
2015-04-28T03:59:41Z pkhuong: I think so.
2015-04-28T04:00:00Z pkhuong: or perhaps the source did change? (:
2015-04-28T04:00:41Z nyef: Between me killing all of my fasls and trying to output a test coverage report?
2015-04-28T04:00:58Z nyef: git status tells me that the source is as was.
2015-04-28T04:02:41Z nyef: I'm... Also getting some interesting reader errors earlier in the process.
2015-04-28T04:04:53Z nyef: Some interaction with #+#.(cl:if ... '(and) '(or)) (some-package:bogus-symbol), it seems, followed by some unmatched close-parens.
2015-04-28T04:05:30Z nyef: So, read-suppress changes seem a likely culprit.
2015-04-28T04:07:01Z nyef: Right, guess I need to bisect this damage. Damnit.
2015-04-28T04:07:22Z nyef: And it's too late to do so tonight.
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2015-04-28T07:40:30Z flip214: for a power8 in LE, is "--arch=ppc64le" the correct choice?
2015-04-28T07:42:00Z flip214: If I only use "ppc", I get "where-is-mcontext.c:1:0: error: -m32 not supported in this configuration
2015-04-28T07:42:22Z flip214: and I'd like to do ppc64 anyway...
2015-04-28T07:45:48Z flip214: ah, found src/runtime/Config.ppc-linux
2015-04-28T07:47:37Z flip214: grrr, doesn't work.
2015-04-28T07:47:38Z flip214: ppc-linux-os.c:77:35: error: 'mcontext_t {aka struct <anonymous>}' has no member named 'uc_regs'
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2015-04-28T08:45:09Z Xof: if you'd like to do ppc64, you have some porting work to do
2015-04-28T08:46:05Z flip214: Xof: well, debian and other claim to have ppc64 packages available.
2015-04-28T08:46:11Z flip214: are these 32bit binaries?
2015-04-28T08:46:33Z Xof: I have no control over what debian claims
2015-04-28T08:46:37Z Xof: why don't you find out for yourself?
2015-04-28T09:02:15Z flip214: Xof: because asking other _can_ be much faster? ;)
2015-04-28T09:02:19Z flip214: Thanks, though.
2015-04-28T09:02:21Z Xof: true
2015-04-28T09:02:25Z Xof: I am grumpy this morning
2015-04-28T09:02:59Z flip214: no problem...
2015-04-28T09:03:21Z flip214: no, I'm asking just to read your lovely answers, of course!
2015-04-28T09:03:29Z Xof: heh
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2015-04-28T10:22:54Z Xof: bother
2015-04-28T10:22:57Z Xof: still 5 files differing
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2015-04-28T10:37:55Z flip214: "git reset --hard" would help, I guess
2015-04-28T10:38:06Z stassats: would it?
2015-04-28T10:41:56Z flip214: well, at least there would be no more different files.
2015-04-28T10:42:02Z flip214: one step after another... ;)
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2015-04-28T10:53:11Z Xof: in this case I am talking about output files
2015-04-28T10:53:15Z Xof: all the input files are the same
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2015-04-28T12:17:19Z Xof: #.`
2015-04-28T12:17:22Z Xof: what the what now?
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2015-04-28T17:41:53Z akkad: I get this https://gist.github.com/e6b4fcbc7c5b570e8719  with this code https://gist.github.com/5aff5a5aec71710f38b5
2015-04-28T17:41:58Z akkad: can't reproduce in repl
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2015-04-28T17:50:16Z akkad: this code https://gist.github.com/5aff5a5aec71710f38b5 is causing an error, not sure if code or not https://gist.github.com/e6b4fcbc7c5b570e8719
2015-04-28T17:50:50Z stassats: are you sure this is for #sbcl?
2015-04-28T17:51:40Z akkad: I don't get the error on ccl or lw
2015-04-28T17:52:15Z akkad: stassats: ok. will use #lisp
2015-04-28T17:57:14Z akkad: it works if i use sbcl --load ./load.lisp --eval "(wanker::cloudtrail-report-to-sqlite)" instead of trying to run a saved image.
2015-04-28T18:11:42Z scymtym: akkad: the gist does not show the whole structure of your program, but the result of SQLITE:CONNECT seems to be stored in a DEFVAR. thus the connect operation will not be repeated when the dumped image is restarted. i don't see how this works in ccl and lw, though.
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2015-04-28T19:13:41Z akkad: well I was not building an image with those
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2015-04-28T20:53:56Z axion: hello all. i think i found a bug
2015-04-28T20:54:52Z axion: on sbcl/linux, (acos 1.0) works. on sbcl/windows, it throws a type-error
2015-04-28T21:05:47Z dougk_: yah, it looks like 'asin' and 'acos' are both doing that because there's a division by  (sqrt (- 1 (* number number)))
2015-04-28T21:06:52Z axion: is there a nice workaround. i'm trying to compile a function that needs (acos (alexandria:clamp ... -1.0 1.0))
2015-04-28T21:07:19Z axion: it also works on other implementations, or even sbcl on linux
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2015-04-28T22:00:12Z axion: this really needs some attention. the ANSI spec requires acos with 1
2015-04-28T22:04:22Z foom: it should probably be changed to call a real libm, not trying to reimplement it in lisp.
2015-04-28T22:04:54Z axion: this issue is almost a year old at least. i found many reports of similar problems
2015-04-28T22:05:02Z axion: what can be done to speed this up?
2015-04-28T22:05:08Z foom: Fix it yourself
2015-04-28T22:05:24Z axion: i dont have neough knowledge or required math to do so
2015-04-28T22:05:38Z pkhuong: I think stassats is working on it.
2015-04-28T22:05:41Z axion: makes me want to switch to CCL where it's done correctly :/
2015-04-28T22:05:43Z foom: You could switch the sbcl build to use a libm provided by someone who does
2015-04-28T22:05:53Z foom: or look at what ccl does
2015-04-28T22:05:56Z pkhuong: foom: iirc, we're working around missing functions in the default libm
2015-04-28T22:06:10Z pkhuong: that may only be necessary on legacy platforms like XP, though
2015-04-28T22:06:25Z foom: pkhuong: could use a third-party libm
2015-04-28T22:06:31Z pkhuong: really?
2015-04-28T22:08:05Z foom: I mean, I'd be very surprised if it really didn't exist in windows builtin one, since it's part of C, right?
2015-04-28T22:08:17Z foom: (but maybe it was buggy in some terrible way, shrug)
2015-04-28T22:08:28Z pkhuong: or implemented in header files
2015-04-28T22:08:38Z foom: that's okay surely
2015-04-28T22:14:24Z stassats: my plan is, make C wrappers
2015-04-28T22:15:33Z stassats: e.g. hypot exists under _hypot name, but asinh for some reason gets inlined
2015-04-28T22:16:03Z axion: hmm glad its being worked on
2015-04-28T22:16:10Z axion: maybe someday my code will be portable
2015-04-28T22:16:26Z stassats: so, the easiest way is just to wrap things
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2015-04-28T22:17:21Z stassats: and I don't think how I feel about support XP anymore
2015-04-28T22:17:45Z stassats: well, i'm not going to deliberately sabotage it, but i wouldn't feel really bad about it
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2015-04-28T22:20:16Z stassats: or even vista
2015-04-28T22:21:42Z axion: acos is in msvcrt but not used
2015-04-28T22:22:07Z stassats: i think everything needed is there
2015-04-28T22:22:18Z axion: asinh is not
2015-04-28T22:22:23Z axion: need mingw
2015-04-28T22:22:36Z stassats: good enough
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2015-04-28T22:24:22Z axion: is there a formal issue for this i can follow, or should i post one somewhere?
2015-04-28T22:25:06Z axion: my searches found the first reported issue back in january of 2013
2015-04-28T22:25:19Z stassats: you can open a ticket
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2015-04-29T12:50:00Z Xof: right.  Now wtf is going on with these files
2015-04-29T12:50:44Z Xof: ahafbea35e879891723259dfa55589b498228390bb9
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2015-04-29T19:13:38Z Xof: I could fix this the easy way or the hard way
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2015-04-29T19:14:11Z Xof: the advantage of the hard way is that it will remind me how little I understand
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2015-04-29T19:27:41Z Xof: ;; This string will later be changed by frobbing the code header.
2015-04-29T19:27:43Z Xof: what
2015-04-29T19:29:54Z nyef: That sounds... adventuresome. Where is it?
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2015-04-29T19:34:51Z Xof: infinite-error-protector
2015-04-29T19:36:09Z nyef: Ah.
2015-04-29T19:36:33Z Xof: damnit, (array nil)
2015-04-29T19:37:00Z nyef: Heh. Isn't (array nil) your fault?
2015-04-29T19:37:38Z Xof: yes
2015-04-29T19:39:30Z nyef: Okay, wow. !enable-infinite-error-protector is extremely hackish.
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2015-04-29T20:59:24Z fe[nl]ix: Xof: RHEL6 will be supported for 5 more years
2015-04-29T20:59:32Z fe[nl]ix: so plenty of people will keep using it
2015-04-29T21:07:16Z Xof: *sigh*
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2015-04-29T21:16:55Z dougk_: nyef: enable-infinite-error-protector, while a hack, is less confusing than what it replaced, namely, a mechanism so intricate that it didn't even work.
2015-04-29T21:17:36Z dougk_: probably i'd just not bother changing the error string to reflect the phase of boot, just always say "corrupt error depth". Then the enabler is as simple as setting the max-depth to 10, and we're done.
2015-04-29T21:17:45Z nyef: dougk_: I'm referring specifically to the bit where a function grovels through the constants vector of a code object... Yeah, that bit.
2015-04-29T21:18:21Z dougk_: sure, change it to a fixed string if you'd like.
2015-04-29T21:21:47Z dougk_: yes, come to think of it, i suppose it's ironic that i was trying to preserve a distinction that didn't exist, since the message "can't recover from error in cold init" was the thing that could never be printed.
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2015-04-29T21:30:32Z Xof: csr21@aleph-null:/tmp/tmp.4jYt2ezU0M$ diff -ur {sbcl,ccl32}/obj/from-xc
2015-04-29T21:30:32Z Xof: Binary files sbcl/obj/from-xc/src/assembly/x86-64/arith.lisp-obj and ccl32/obj/from-xc/src/assembly/x86-64/arith.lisp-obj differ
2015-04-29T21:30:35Z Xof: progress
2015-04-29T21:30:43Z Xof: (one file left)
2015-04-29T21:31:13Z nyef: Xof: Congratulations.
2015-04-29T21:33:33Z Xof: set-difference
2015-04-29T21:33:56Z Xof: ok, I know where the remaining one comes from.  Sleepy time
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2015-04-30T07:02:15Z Xof: capturing the idioms in functions with muffle-warning and then warning on other uses is possible
2015-04-30T07:05:04Z Xof: first working on getting reproducibility into the jenkins setup
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2015-04-30T10:46:06Z pkhuong: FWIW, we just started migrating away from CentOS 5.8. I'm also introducing some SBCL in our pipeline, so this is going to be exciting.
2015-04-30T10:47:19Z Xof: ok, I get the message
2015-04-30T10:47:30Z Xof: glibc-2.ancient is still important
2015-04-30T10:50:29Z jsnell_: we're on centos 6, but that's ok because we're also on sbcl 1.0.54 ;-)
2015-04-30T10:50:55Z jsnell_: s/54/45/
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2015-04-30T11:08:18Z Cymew: CentOS 5.8! Jeebus.
2015-04-30T11:09:04Z Xof: we're still on Common Lisp 1994
2015-04-30T11:09:07Z Xof: let's not throw stones :-)
2015-04-30T11:10:30Z Cymew: Very true! :)
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2015-04-30T11:38:11Z Xof: right.  We're now back where we were four months ago
2015-04-30T11:38:28Z Xof: scymtym: do you remember or can you easily dig up what the problem was with reproducible builds when we tried it?
2015-04-30T11:39:19Z scymtym: Xof: build directory leaked, i think
2015-04-30T11:39:48Z Xof: That rings a bell, but where?
2015-04-30T11:39:53Z Xof: I just grepped in fasls and didn't find it
2015-04-30T11:40:05Z scymtym: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master-compare-outputs/lastBuild/console has the log
2015-04-30T11:40:18Z Xof: great, thanks!
2015-04-30T11:40:25Z scymtym: the "Copied artifact" links go to the cores
2015-04-30T11:40:35Z Xof: oh, in genesis
2015-04-30T11:41:30Z Xof: ok, will look at that after lunch
2015-04-30T11:41:35Z scymtym: what the job does is: http://paste.lisp.org/display/147665
2015-04-30T11:41:40Z scymtym: maybe that's also wrong
2015-04-30T11:43:03Z Xof: this is going to be something ridiculous and obvious like the global value of *default-pathname-defaults*, isn't it?
2015-04-30T11:43:50Z scymtym is downloading a build and checking
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2015-04-30T11:44:33Z scymtym: which is packaged as a tar-bomb :)
2015-04-30T11:46:18Z Xof: when we get it running, I think the script should check obj/from-xc directories for similarity
2015-04-30T11:46:25Z Xof: as well as the cold-sbcl.cores
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2015-04-30T11:51:10Z Xof: ok, the problem is not immediately obvious.  Need to spend more time on it
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2015-04-30T14:09:51Z dougk_: Xof: the reason :type :lambda-list was of type NIL is that you need NOT to be able to store into it.
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2015-04-30T14:14:24Z nyef: ... Need to not be able to store into it?
2015-04-30T14:15:10Z dougk_: yes, the DEFTYPE mechanism no longer uses it, and I'd have removed it if it didn't break swank immediately
2015-04-30T14:15:21Z nyef: That's an interesting angle, though. If a function returning type NIL means "does not return", would a variable of type NIL mean "unbound"?
2015-04-30T14:15:28Z dougk_: DEFTYPE "macros" are like regular macros. Wherever a regular macro stores its lambda list is where deftype does
2015-04-30T14:15:59Z nyef: Thus, a variable declared to be a FIXNUM may not be unbound, but one declared to be (OR FIXNUM NIL) may be?
2015-04-30T14:16:29Z dougk_: no, i don't think it would.
2015-04-30T14:16:43Z dougk_: but i wasn't interested in the behavior for reading, i was interesting in assuring that nothing wrote to it
2015-04-30T14:17:01Z dougk_: and then I discovered that because of the compiler-macros for INFO and (SETF INFO) you can't remove an info-type with impunity
2015-04-30T14:17:26Z dougk_: it would have been fine if code could at least compile when it references obsolete types, but it can't even do that
2015-04-30T14:17:37Z dougk_: "types" meaning "types of info", that is
2015-04-30T14:18:38Z pkhuong: nyef: in theory, a variable FIXNUM can be unbound.
2015-04-30T14:18:47Z dougk_: bottom line: removal of an info-type leaves no migration path for other code, unless we make the compiler-macro allows the nonexistence of the keyword pair in the info space
2015-04-30T14:19:26Z dougk_: so anyway, Xof's bugfix re-introduces the problem I was trying to avoid.
2015-04-30T14:20:02Z dougk_: which is to say, don't query the infrastructure for obsolete info
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2015-04-30T15:22:36Z Xof: aren't there a couple of Right Things to do?
2015-04-30T15:22:57Z Xof: one is to make the compiler macros for info/(setf info) punt if they encounter types they don't recognize
2015-04-30T15:23:01Z Xof: the other is to patch slime
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2015-04-30T19:49:50Z Xof: csr21@aleph-null:~/src/lisp$ cmp -i 1024 sbcl/output/cold-sbcl.core release.sbcl/output/cold-sbcl.core
2015-04-30T19:49:56Z Xof: ta-daa
2015-04-30T19:50:49Z Xof: scymtym: ok, please can we re-try the continuous integration of reproducible cold-sbcl.core / xc fasls?
2015-04-30T19:51:17Z scymtym: Xof: 1. congratulations 2. sure
2015-04-30T19:51:33Z scymtym: how should i change the job?
2015-04-30T19:51:46Z Xof: I think to start with it can be just as you had it
2015-04-30T19:52:15Z Xof: I myself have been running diff -ur sbcl{A,B}/obj/from-xc/ as a precursor to running cmp on cold-sbcl.core
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2015-04-30T19:56:34Z scymtym: the version i have runs automatically after each build
2015-04-30T19:56:42Z scymtym: here is the most recent one: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master-compare-outputs/217/console
2015-04-30T19:57:42Z scymtym: that build does not include the "one more genesis leak commit", so the failure is expected, i assume
2015-04-30T19:57:49Z Xof: right.  I just pushed something that should make the next iteration pass
2015-04-30T19:57:52Z Xof: famous last words
2015-04-30T19:58:09Z scymtym: the upstream job just started building that commit for all configurations
2015-04-30T19:58:47Z scymtym: 5 more hours and the -compare-outputs will run with the result
2015-04-30T19:59:00Z scymtym: *-compare-outputs job
2015-04-30T19:59:50Z Xof: cool
2015-04-30T19:59:54Z Xof: I shall be asleep :-)
2015-04-30T19:59:58Z Xof: see you in the morning
2015-04-30T20:00:06Z scymtym: good night
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2015-04-30T20:07:07Z nyef: Oh, wow. Congratulations, Xof!
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2015-04-30T21:18:14Z slyrus: howdy!
2015-04-30T21:18:16Z slyrus: anyone else seeing sb-concurrency tests failing/hanging on linux 4.0 kernels?
2015-04-30T21:22:20Z slyrus: and it goes back to at least sbcl 1.2.0, so it's probably kernel-related rather than recent-sbcl-change-related
2015-04-30T21:30:17Z slyrus: oops. make that 3.19.0 kernel.
2015-04-30T21:30:32Z slyrus: but still
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2015-04-30T21:39:59Z nyef: Hrm. I'm running 3.2.0 locally, and the most advanced kernel I have seems to be 3.19.0-rc4, but that's very much an experimental testbed that I have yet to even try to run SBCL on.
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2015-04-30T22:08:24Z slyrus: I have run things on numerous recentish kernels and haven't seen this before.
2015-04-30T22:08:58Z slyrus: this is the stock ubuntu 15.04 kernel. could be specific to that. not sure what patches/hacks ubuntu adds.
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2015-04-30T22:41:56Z slyrus: ok, tried it on another box running the same kernel. no problems :(
2015-04-30T22:42:40Z slyrus: this (problematic) one has 6 cores/12 threads, as opposed to 4/8 on the working box. I don't recall this being a problem in the past though.
2015-04-30T22:47:59Z nyef: CPU thread affinity issues or something, maybe?
2015-04-30T22:55:31Z slyrus: could be
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2015-04-30T23:37:34Z slyrus: same thing in 4.0.1 kernel :(
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