2017-05-28T00:01:30Z nyef: I'm tired enough that I'm not seeing it?
2017-05-28T00:01:49Z stassats`: documentation x doc-type => documentation and Argument Precedence Order: doc-type, object
2017-05-28T00:01:52Z stassats`: x vs object
2017-05-28T00:02:19Z nyef: Right, good catch.
2017-05-28T00:03:13Z stassats`: the original misnamer for "slotd" probably thought "this is all too confusing, i'll just go and use something completely unrelated"
2017-05-28T00:04:08Z nyef: It wouldn't surprise me if we inherited it from CMUCL.
2017-05-28T00:04:28Z stassats`: i'm fairly certain that it was
2017-05-28T00:05:27Z stassats`: it may have actually been PCL
2017-05-28T00:05:55Z nyef: Probably was PCL, yeah.
2017-05-28T00:08:04Z stassats`: sep92 PCL has it
2017-05-28T00:08:42Z stassats`: jul92 is (defgeneric documentation (object &optional doc-type))
2017-05-28T00:09:43Z stassats`: from https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/lang/lisp/oop/clos/pcl/
2017-05-28T00:10:45Z nyef: CLtL1 has it as SYMBOL.
2017-05-28T00:11:05Z stassats`: cltl1 has clos?
2017-05-28T00:11:22Z nyef: No, but it has #'DOCUMENTATION.
2017-05-28T00:12:06Z stassats`: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node229.html
2017-05-28T00:12:16Z stassats`: cltl2 too
2017-05-28T00:12:20Z stassats`: and it was different
2017-05-28T00:13:47Z stassats`: and the clos chapter has it as documentation x &optional doc-type , that's where the &optional in PCL comes from
2017-05-28T00:16:18Z nyef: Yeah, it seems that they made it required fairly late in the process?
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2017-05-28T02:58:01Z fiddlerwoaroof:  j
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2017-05-28T03:46:02Z fiddlerwoaroof: Hi, I've been experimenting with generic functions, trying to figure out how things work under the hood
2017-05-28T03:46:51Z fiddlerwoaroof: I'm getting a memory fault from trying to call the method-function of a slot accessor in a way that works with normal generic functions
2017-05-28T03:47:14Z fiddlerwoaroof: Any ideas about why this is happening? I suspect there is some kind of optimization going on that I'm unaware of.
2017-05-28T03:47:23Z fiddlerwoaroof: http://paste.lisp.org/display/347622
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2017-05-28T10:54:18Z stassats: fiddlerwoaroof: you are not calling it correctly
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2017-05-28T11:21:05Z stassats: even though there's no correct way to call it
2017-05-28T11:21:08Z stassats: so, don't call it!
2017-05-28T11:28:17Z stassats: and nothing calls it, so, yeah, it's approximately completely broken
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2017-05-28T14:27:55Z mrottenkolber: I get a lot of "note: doing unsigned word to integer coercion (cost 20)", apparently because my struct slots are (unsigned-byte 64). Any hints of avoiding this (i.e. inlining slot accessors)?
2017-05-28T14:28:15Z mrottenkolber: (I get this exclusively due to struct writes I think)
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2017-05-28T14:39:49Z |3b|: does the compiler know the value you are writing fits in the slot?
2017-05-28T14:40:31Z |3b|: if not, giving it more information (and/or making sure yourself) might help
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2017-05-28T14:47:04Z stassats: mrottenkolber: they are inlined
2017-05-28T14:47:11Z stassats: but you are escaping the values
2017-05-28T14:55:49Z mrottenkolber: escaping?
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2017-05-28T15:10:36Z fiddlerwoaroof: stassats: interesting, is this a bug?
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2017-05-28T15:52:20Z Bicyclidine: i think that means that the problem is that the function returns one of those typed values, which means they have to be boxed (coerced)
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2017-05-28T18:14:17Z stassats: fiddlerwoaroof: probably, but not something i would consider fixing, especially that this is the spaghetti PCL
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