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2017-05-25T02:55:22Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2017-05-25T06:46:24Z oleo: morning
2017-05-25T06:47:33Z beach: Hello oleo.
2017-05-25T06:47:41Z oleo: heya beach :)
2017-05-25T06:47:58Z oleo: i woke up early today cause i slept all day and night yesterday.....
2017-05-25T06:48:18Z oleo: supposedly it was gonna be a nap, but it took longer....eheh
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2017-05-25T16:20:48Z dougk_: there may be a silver lining to "no size function for object" bug that randomly occurs in threads.impure.lisp
2017-05-25T16:21:30Z dougk_: I think it happens when we're looking at a page with pinned code, but other objects were on the page before the pinned code, and those objects were evacuated from the page.
2017-05-25T16:23:19Z dougk_: basically gc_search_space can't step through the page because it has some forwarding pointers on it. https://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/sbcl/ci/a33095b0 removed the ability to step over forwarding pointers
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2017-05-25T18:24:22Z knobo: Are there any known unstabillities in 1.3.16 and 17?
2017-05-25T18:25:07Z knobo: I get [pid 10976] write(2, "Memory fault at 0x3015b1b4 (pc=0"..., 63Memory fault at 0x3015b1b4 (pc=0x1005b19da7, sp=0x7ffff64a6928)) = 63
2017-05-25T18:35:08Z knobo: so far it does not look like i get the memory fault in 1.3.15
2017-05-25T18:35:17Z knobo: But I'll continute testing.
2017-05-25T18:50:41Z stassats: knobo: you may be misusing things
2017-05-25T18:50:49Z stassats: like ffi or safety 0
2017-05-25T19:01:12Z knobo: I guess it's the woo web  server then.
2017-05-25T19:03:48Z knobo: I'll try with hunchentoot instead and see if that solves it.
2017-05-25T19:05:28Z knobo: stassats: would the ffi/safety missuse have different effect in 1.3.15/16/17?
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2017-05-25T19:16:04Z knobo: It's a bit random if it fails. So I'm not sure.
2017-05-25T19:31:03Z knobo: But now I can not reproduce it.
2017-05-25T19:31:14Z knobo: with woo
2017-05-25T19:43:50Z attila_lendvai1: knobo: the bugs introduced by safety 0 and ffi are often random in nature because they often depend on the actual memory layout
2017-05-25T19:45:06Z attila_lendvai1: so, what's the plan with the ASDF issue? ASDF fix, or SBCL rollback? or SBCL marches forward to implement some extension for base-string writing?
2017-05-25T19:56:42Z knobo: Now i have at least stable way to reproduce of that bug in my application.
2017-05-25T19:57:14Z knobo: Looks like sendfile is involved.
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2017-05-25T20:04:36Z phoe: I made a build today on another machine, "sh make.sh --fancy --arch=x86"; afterwards, ./run-sbcl.sh had ASDF and all contribs.
2017-05-25T20:04:46Z phoe: I did the same on my machine a few minutes ago - the contribs are missing.
2017-05-25T20:07:46Z knobo: And now that i've connected with slime and tracing the sendfile, it does not fail :(
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2017-05-25T20:18:14Z knobo: heisenberg uncertainty principle
2017-05-25T20:18:38Z knobo: You can not know the bug and the location at the same time.
2017-05-25T20:20:36Z phoe: heisenbug
2017-05-25T20:20:56Z knobo: :)
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2017-05-25T20:33:40Z phoe: The contribs are build and compiled, but they are not included in the final Lisp image.
2017-05-25T20:33:43Z phoe: wtf
2017-05-25T20:33:53Z phoe: why does this happen only on one machine.
2017-05-25T20:35:11Z |3b|: shouldn't be in image, just installed beside it
2017-05-25T20:35:43Z phoe: sure, it's all in the contrib dir
2017-05-25T20:35:48Z phoe: but does not get loaded
2017-05-25T20:36:01Z |3b|: you mean REQUIRE fails?
2017-05-25T20:36:24Z phoe: wait, the REQUIRE does not fail, the contribs get loaded
2017-05-25T20:36:32Z phoe: but I do not need to do any REQUIREs on the other machine.
2017-05-25T20:36:48Z |3b|: presumably some initfile loads them there
2017-05-25T20:37:07Z |3b|: (possibly indirectly by loading something else like quicklisp that depends on them)
2017-05-25T20:38:33Z |3b| thought "not loading by default" was the point of having separate contribs :)
2017-05-25T20:38:36Z phoe: hah, that's correct - I didn't suspect quicklisp of doing that.
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2017-05-25T20:55:34Z stassats: attila_lendvai1: overloading #A would be the way to go
2017-05-25T20:56:09Z attila_lendvai1: stassats: yeah, but it's not an appropriate change in the freeze, or is it?
2017-05-25T20:56:20Z stassats: attila_lendvai1: not appropriate, right
2017-05-25T21:00:06Z attila_lendvai1: and the mentioned ASDF fix of adding *read-eval* t also smells... so, not sure what would be an easy way out. I reverted back to the previous sbcl version to be able to continue work.
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2017-05-25T21:15:39Z dougk_: which change causes the problem with ASDF - "string output stream" change or "pathname namestring memoization" changes ?
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