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2016-11-22T13:58:14Z scymtym: dougk_: do i have to adjust something for macos builds? i have been seeing the following for a couple of builds on macos across all configurations: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/featureset=1,label=MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit/1852/console
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2016-11-22T14:01:33Z scymtym: this is also new: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/1849/featureset=3,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/console this is without sb-unicode on x86_64 linux
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2016-11-22T15:42:48Z solene: hello, how can I tell sbcl where to search asdf libraries ? by modifying contrib/asdf/asdf.lisp ? I want to package common lisp libraries for OpenBSD but first I need to tell sbcl where to find the libraries without having to do anything from the user point of view
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2016-11-22T15:58:31Z scymtym: solene: that sounds more like an asdf question than an sbcl question. there is an #asdf channel which is probably your best bet for getting assistance
2016-11-22T16:02:30Z solene: scymtym: you are right, I've been reading deeper asdf since my question and it's definitely related to asdf
2016-11-22T16:04:31Z solene: I was using *central-registry* but it seems deprecating :)
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2016-11-22T16:16:36Z PuercoPop: solene: You can ignore that deprecation, the current maintainer prefers the *central-registry* and is not going away anytime soon. But the new approach of using config files is well documented in the manual
2016-11-22T16:18:46Z solene: PuercoPop: adding a path in the definition of *source-registry* seems to work too
2016-11-22T16:19:13Z PuercoPop: solene: lets move this to #lisp
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2016-11-22T19:59:51Z rpg: Has there been any discussion of Fare's proposed patch to fix program running on Windows? We need to figure out how to detect its presence/absence in ASDF....
2016-11-22T20:00:39Z rpg: If we knew that it would come in, e.g., 1.3.12, we could avoid testing UIOP:RUN-PROGRAM on SBCL+Windows until that version....
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2016-11-22T20:04:31Z scymtym: rpg: i don't think there has been any discussion so far. i find the change itself acceptable but wanted to suggest adding a test, but Fare was already gone by that time. can't say how the others like the patch, naturally
2016-11-22T20:04:41Z stassats: i don't think i like the idea of simply overloading run-program on windows
2016-11-22T20:08:17Z rpg: Honestly, I'm trying to find his patch report, and I don't know where to look. Is it only in sbcl-devel?
2016-11-22T20:08:30Z stassats: launchpad
2016-11-22T20:09:43Z scymtym: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1503496
2016-11-22T20:10:18Z rpg: older than I thought...
2016-11-22T20:10:54Z scymtym: the patch has been attached recently, though
2016-11-22T20:12:01Z rpg: Ideally, I would like to do what I can to get it merged, because it's a hole in our UIOP:RUN-PROGRAM compatibility.
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2016-11-22T20:14:02Z rpg: stassats: so this would support the string argument only on Windows? (I'm sorry, launchpad provides less than no support for understanding patches)
2016-11-22T20:14:26Z stassats: rpg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/294205796/sbcl-win32-run-program.diff
2016-11-22T20:14:29Z stassats: dunno, seems pretty clear
2016-11-22T20:14:56Z rpg: stassats: Only if you have the rest of run-program at your disposal! (as you would on trac, github, or gitlab).
2016-11-22T20:15:29Z stassats: well, it says right there #+win32 "ARGS can be a STRING to pass directly to the CreateProcess function."
2016-11-22T20:16:14Z rpg: but there's no #+wind32 in the code -- only in the docstring
2016-11-22T20:17:13Z rpg: i see -- I think this is in prepare-args
2016-11-22T20:19:04Z rpg: stassats: so what you object to is that this supports the single big string form only on Win32, and not on UNIXoid systems
2016-11-22T20:19:26Z rpg: is that right?
2016-11-22T20:19:34Z stassats: right
2016-11-22T20:20:29Z rpg: I suspect Fare was aiming for minimal modification, but in doing so ended up with something unappealing for that reason
2016-11-22T20:21:30Z stassats: and no test to demonstrate what's really being changed
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2016-11-22T20:24:10Z stassats: i still kinda fail to see why this is needed
2016-11-22T20:30:43Z rpg: I believe that the issue has to do with the way that Windows demands a single string as a command line to use its CreateProcess
2016-11-22T20:32:28Z rpg: Fare's ref to the CCL ticket is a bit more helpful, but I agree that the launchpad bug doesn't really explain things to the reader adequately.
2016-11-22T20:40:21Z rpg: I'm not sure I can parse the complex negative in the LP ticket, but I believe what Fare is saying is that we can't effectively use pipes in RUN-PROGRAM on Windows, because of excessive quoting of arguments in SBCL's RUN-PROCESS.
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2016-11-22T20:47:39Z stassats: also, the docstring change is lying, it's accepting '("quoted string" . "unqouted string")
2016-11-22T20:48:00Z stassats: not "unqouted string"
2016-11-22T20:52:12Z rpg: stassats: I'm sorry to ask you for more, but would you mind putting a critique on that ticket? I'd love to see it fixed, and RUN-PROGRAM working better on SBCL, but TBH I don't understand Fare's thinking to do more than guess at answers.
2016-11-22T20:54:25Z stassats: i was just able to run a pipe
2016-11-22T20:55:27Z stassats: (run-program "cmd" '("/c" "dir" "c:\\" "|" "sort") :output *standard-output* :search t)
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2016-11-22T20:58:24Z rpg: maybe the right thing is for you -- or me, if you don't want to -- to put this example on the LP ticket together with a request for more explanation.
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2016-11-22T21:03:48Z stassats: i think asdf can just unescape all the stuff that will be escaped by sbcl
2016-11-22T21:03:53Z stassats: the rules are pretty simple
2016-11-22T21:05:43Z stassats: that way it will work with sbcls going back to 1.1.13 which is from 2013
2016-11-22T21:06:44Z stassats: rpg: so if you have a command looking like "dir c:\\ | sort" you need to turn it into "dir" "c:\\" "|" "sort"
2016-11-22T21:07:18Z stassats: rpg: for more rules see sb-impl::escape-arg
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2016-11-22T21:48:25Z Fare: I missed the debate about https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1503496
2016-11-22T21:48:39Z Fare: Can the patch be merged? If not, how may I tweak it so it can?
2016-11-22T21:55:03Z attila_lendvai: Fare: stassats' conclusion was that he thinks it's not needed, he said pipes can be done: (run-program "cmd" '("/c" "dir" "c:\\" "|" "sort") :output *standard-output* :search t)
2016-11-22T21:56:40Z attila_lendvai: Fare: http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/sbcl/2016-11/sbcl-2016.11.22.txt
2016-11-22T21:57:10Z attila_lendvai: someone with admin could add the link to the logs to the MOTD
2016-11-22T21:57:50Z Fare: Some quoting can't be done. How do you findstr "^" with the current run-program ?
2016-11-22T21:58:03Z Fare: you can pipe, but you can't quote properly
2016-11-22T21:58:15Z Fare: and no, option /s won't help
2016-11-22T21:59:11Z Fare: how does stassats propose asdf should "unescape" things???
2016-11-22T22:03:10Z attila_lendvai: Fare: just run through the IRC log, and add a better explanation to the bug
2016-11-22T22:04:07Z attila_lendvai: the assumed problem was only that piping cannot be done
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