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2015-02-11T02:08:07Z jrm: nyef: Some guesses: Maybe I'm triggering some event that eventually causes the crash?  Maybe there is something specific to my config?
2015-02-11T02:11:31Z nyef: jrm: Both plausible scenarios, yes.
2015-02-11T02:12:49Z nyef: I'm finding stumpwm to be interesting, but not really a good fit for me at this point.
2015-02-11T02:13:10Z jrm: Ah, so you are using it.
2015-02-11T02:13:33Z jrm: I thought you might have just started the VM, and ignored it waiting for it to crash.
2015-02-11T02:13:35Z nyef: Well, in a VM that I'm not doing much with.
2015-02-11T02:13:49Z nyef: I poke about with it every so often at this point.
2015-02-11T02:13:59Z jrm: Hopefully it will just take more time to crash in that case.
2015-02-11T02:14:07Z jrm: Did I share my config with you?
2015-02-11T02:14:17Z nyef: Yeah, there's a small pile of stuff in here.
2015-02-11T02:15:15Z nyef: Did you say that you were running a screensaver of some sort?
2015-02-11T02:16:17Z jrm: xlockmore
2015-02-11T02:17:49Z nyef: Okay, installing that.
2015-02-11T02:17:57Z nyef: Is there anything I need to do to get it to kick in?
2015-02-11T02:18:35Z jrm: I start it in my ~/.xinitrc / ~/.xsession (~/.xsession is a symlink to ~/.xinitrc) with xautolock -locker "/usr/local/bin/xlock +description -dpmsoff 5 -info ' ' -lockdelay 30 +showdate" -time 5 -noclose > /home/jrm/.xautolock.log 2>&1 &
2015-02-11T02:19:00Z jrm: I also start X with xdm.
2015-02-11T02:19:05Z jrm: Oh, we ruled that out though.
2015-02-11T02:19:15Z nyef: The xdm thing?
2015-02-11T02:19:35Z jrm: Yeah.  I still got the crashes with startx from a vt.
2015-02-11T02:22:11Z nyef: Also installing xautolock...
2015-02-11T02:23:29Z nyef: Okay, that's running... I hope.
2015-02-11T02:26:31Z jrm: The screen will blank with 5 minutes of inactivity.  How that works in a VM, I don't know.
2015-02-11T02:27:08Z nyef: VM time tracking doesn't usually desynch too badly over five minutes.
2015-02-11T02:31:27Z nyef: ... What if it's some crazy dependency like the particular screensaver invoked?
2015-02-11T02:35:55Z jrm: I only use the boring blank screensaver.  If you do pkg delete xlockmore then do make -C /usr/ports/x11/xlockmore you can configure it to only install the blank screensaver.  Oh, I'm assuming you did this already, but you need x11/xautolock as well.
2015-02-11T02:36:24Z nyef: Hrm.
2015-02-11T02:36:35Z nyef: Well, let's give it another day or so and see if it breaks.
2015-02-11T02:38:39Z jrm: k
2015-02-11T02:51:46Z nyef: I think I found a bug in stumpwm, though. Pop the help screen, let the system idle long enough that the screensaver kicks in, dismiss the screensaverm, and boom: Blank help window.
2015-02-11T03:03:52Z nyef: Hmph. Not even reliably blank. Or maybe it's not blank if the password kicks in or something.
2015-02-11T03:20:56Z jrm: I can confirm that one here.
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2015-02-11T03:31:15Z joshe: haha, a bug in stumpwm
2015-02-11T03:31:19Z joshe: you don't say
2015-02-11T03:34:03Z jrm: It's stable for me, unless I create a swank server in ~/.stumpwmrc.
2015-02-11T03:34:24Z nyef: I've yet to have an actual crash.
2015-02-11T03:34:34Z jrm: stable and no show-stopping bugs
2015-02-11T03:34:48Z joshe: that is not the same as free of bugs :)
2015-02-11T03:35:13Z jrm: What bugs are problematic for you?
2015-02-11T03:36:35Z joshe: there's a keymap caching problem which causes stump to interact badly with keyboard remapping done from .xinitrc
2015-02-11T03:37:45Z joshe: it shouldn't be hard to fix if I ever remember it when I'm not in the middle of something else
2015-02-11T03:38:24Z jrm: Do you do something like xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap?
2015-02-11T03:38:28Z joshe: it also manages to lose all its layout state when rearranging monitors with xrandr fairly reliable
2015-02-11T03:38:39Z joshe: reliably
2015-02-11T03:38:57Z joshe: something like that, yes
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2015-02-11T03:39:52Z joshe: it seems to get confused about modifier keys, leaving me unable to use the WM or even to type into xterms normally
2015-02-11T03:40:34Z joshe: there is some sort of race condition involved
2015-02-11T03:40:44Z nyef: Heh. I had some obnoxious keymap issues recently, but not with stumpwm.
2015-02-11T03:41:16Z nyef: The dropbox UI just isn't usable when half of the keys on the keyboard just aren't mapped right.
2015-02-11T03:41:22Z joshe: if you used xmodmap recently then it's implied that you had some sort of obnoxious issue ;)
2015-02-11T03:41:40Z nyef: And emacs doesn't really work right if you can't trigger mod1.
2015-02-11T03:42:48Z joshe: I have meta on mod4
2015-02-11T03:43:17Z jrm: It's annoying when someone answers a report of a bug with, "but it works for me", but I use xmodmap, xbindkeys and have compose keys and have issues.  I also routinely connect/disconnect an external monitor (with VGA and hdmi) and don't have issues, although don't use saved layouts often
2015-02-11T03:43:45Z joshe: yes, nobody else has seen either of my stump issues
2015-02-11T03:44:00Z joshe: but I can reliably reproduce them so I have no excuse for not fixing them
2015-02-11T03:44:25Z joshe: especially since stump development is no longer dead
2015-02-11T03:44:36Z jrm: Yes, at least your problem is reliably reproducible. :)
2015-02-11T03:51:17Z joshe: I've also on rare occasions seen an error which escape stump's handlers and ends up in the sbcl debugger
2015-02-11T03:52:07Z joshe: not in a long time though
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2015-02-11T17:20:25Z nyef: Okay, looks like the difference between a UV LVAR and a DX LVAR is that one of them has LVAR-DYNAMIC-EXTENT set. Otherwise, they're pretty much identical.
2015-02-11T17:22:33Z nyef: Essentially, the LVAR-KIND is :UNKNOWN for the both.
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2015-02-11T19:15:01Z stassats: something's wrong with slime and xrefs
2015-02-11T19:15:32Z stassats: not sure what
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2015-02-11T19:34:51Z nyef: Well, I think I know why STACK-ANALYZE uses DO-BLOCKS-BACKWARDS when calling UPDATE-UVL-LIVE-SETS.
2015-02-11T19:35:56Z nyef: And it's actually a fairly simple reason: It's called in a loop until it doesn't do anything, and it operates based on the properties of the successor blocks.
2015-02-11T19:36:14Z nyef: Doing it backwards lets it run in two passes in the simple cases.
2015-02-11T19:36:49Z nyef: Doing it forwards requires a number of passes roughly proportional to the number of blocks.
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2015-02-11T21:36:40Z stassats: who-macroexpands on the same form in a different file fails, while works in another
2015-02-11T21:39:19Z stassats: doesn't make any sense whatsoever
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2015-02-11T21:44:03Z stassats: ok, it's slime's fault, not sbcl's
2015-02-11T21:49:08Z stassats: pretty annoying, but don't have the desire to fix / investigate further today
2015-02-11T21:49:12Z stassats: https://github.com/slime/slime/issues/227
2015-02-11T22:01:39Z antoszka: seems to work in sly
2015-02-11T22:01:47Z antoszka: (just fyi)
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