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2015-02-04T03:27:44Z jrm: nyef: So it crashed again and I'm attached to the tmux session where I ran it.  In stumpwm.out I see the Welcome to LDB, a low-level debugger for the Lisp runtime environment, but whatever I type at the prompt is ignored (the contents of stumpwm.out don't change).  http://ftfl.ca/misc/201502032325.png
2015-02-04T03:28:37Z nyef: jrm: Because you dumped the output to a file?
2015-02-04T03:28:52Z nyef: Can you do a tail of stumpwm.out?
2015-02-04T03:31:31Z jrm: nyef: yes, but when I type, the contents of stumpwm.out should change, but they aren't changing
2015-02-04T03:31:36Z nyef: Hrm.
2015-02-04T03:31:40Z nyef: That's no good.
2015-02-04T03:33:01Z jrm: http://ftfl.ca/paste/stumpwm.out.html
2015-02-04T03:33:24Z nyef: ... Damn.
2015-02-04T03:33:34Z nyef: I'm at a bit of a loss, to be honest.
2015-02-04T03:34:32Z jrm: At one point you suggested it was a memory issue, but this happens on two different laptops and a desktop.
2015-02-04T03:35:41Z nyef: Have you heard of the expression "tongue in cheek"?
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2015-02-04T03:37:11Z jrm: sarcasm is difficult for me in person, but damn near impossible over irc :)
2015-02-04T03:37:13Z nyef: Is there some simple way for me to set up to try and replicate this thing locally?
2015-02-04T03:38:07Z nyef: And here I thought I'd made it perfectly obvious that I was being sarcastic, what with what I had minion say immediately before?
2015-02-04T03:38:11Z nyef: minion: Advice on never?
2015-02-04T03:38:11Z minion: #11923: Never catch a signal except as a last resort.
2015-02-04T03:38:13Z nyef: Hrm.
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2015-02-04T03:38:34Z nyef: minion: advice 12000?
2015-02-04T03:38:34Z minion: Looking for a compiler bug is the second-to-last resort. The last resort is blaming bad RAM. It's never the correct hypothesis.
2015-02-04T03:38:36Z jrm: I suppose that depends on how you define simple.  Do you have a spare system kicking around you can install FreeBSD on?
2015-02-04T03:38:49Z nyef: I have virtualbox and some free disk space.
2015-02-04T03:39:45Z jrm: Ah, I missed what minion said. :)
2015-02-04T03:40:25Z jrm: There are even VB images: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/VM-IMAGES/10.1-RELEASE/amd64/Latest/
2015-02-04T03:41:49Z nyef: Okay, that's downloading.
2015-02-04T03:42:08Z nyef: Once it gets here, and I have it running in virtualbox, then what?
2015-02-04T03:42:43Z jrm: http://ftfl.ca/blog/2015-01-27-stumpwm-freebsd.html
2015-02-04T03:43:52Z jrm: You'll need to install a few packages before that, but that should be easy.
2015-02-04T03:44:13Z nyef: Such as... an X server?
2015-02-04T03:45:12Z nyef: I've got a few other things going on, but I'll try to get this set up tomorrow.
2015-02-04T03:45:48Z jrm: Off the top of my head: pkg update; pkg install xorg git autotools; cool
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2015-02-04T03:51:16Z jrm: Oh and here is my ~/.stumpwmrc: http://ftfl.ca/misc/stumpwmrc.  If the (swank:create-server) line is removed everything is stable.
2015-02-04T03:51:54Z nyef: ... wha? The SWANK interaction kills it?
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2015-02-04T03:52:18Z jrm: Yeah, if that line is removed, it's as stable as can be.
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2015-02-04T03:52:34Z jrm: I believe I said that at some point.
2015-02-04T03:52:43Z nyef adds "obscure threading bugs" to the list of possible causes.
2015-02-04T03:53:13Z nyef: Does swank need to be connected?
2015-02-04T03:53:26Z jrm: Nope, that's irrelevant.
2015-02-04T03:53:34Z nyef: Okay, that's something at least.
2015-02-04T03:55:34Z nyef: Umm... Is :SB-THREAD on *FEATURES*?
2015-02-04T03:56:03Z jrm: Is that question for me?  If so, I'm not sure.  How do I check?
2015-02-04T03:56:32Z nyef: Given a REPL, evaluate *FEATURES* and look for :SB-THREAD in the result?
2015-02-04T03:59:45Z jrm: It is not.
2015-02-04T04:00:16Z jrm: I guessed wrong before apparently.
2015-02-04T04:01:58Z jrm: http://ftfl.ca/paste/sbcl-features.html
2015-02-04T04:02:29Z nyef: Okay, one more thing: grep canonical ~/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/distinfo.txt
2015-02-04T04:03:26Z jrm: /home/jrm/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/distinfo.txt:6:canonical-distinfo-url: http://beta.quicklisp.org/dist/quicklisp/2014-12-17/distinfo.txt
2015-02-04T04:03:47Z nyef: Thank you.
2015-02-04T04:04:27Z nyef: I'm about ready to crash now, but this should be enough for me to go on for a bit in trying to replicate your setup.
2015-02-04T04:05:07Z jrm: yw.  Thanks for looking into all this and tolerating my ignorance.  I'm less ignorant about admining FreeBSD and I'll hang around if hit any snags.  Good night.
2015-02-04T04:06:09Z nyef: Mmm. Good night.
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2015-02-04T04:06:21Z jrm: Other people are apparently interested based on the web logs for the things I'm pasting here. :)
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