2014-11-10T00:07:00Z pkhuong: nyef: yeah. another reason to port/productionalise cracauer's specialised calling convention
2014-11-10T00:11:13Z nyef: csziacobus: It is (obviously) technically feasible, but it strikes me as being a less than ideal approach from a maintenance perspective, separating the docstrings from the functions being documented.
2014-11-10T00:11:55Z pkhuong: if you do that, we might as well just refer to the clhs
2014-11-10T00:12:48Z nyef: It's a good angle for internationalization, as well as if we want to consider moving the docstrings out of the core file to a supplemental file that is parsed on demand, though.
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2014-11-10T01:14:30Z scymtym_: the char-{upcase,downcase,equal} commit (or the maybe_gc fix) seems to have broken non-sb-unicode builds: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/732/featureset=3,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/console
2014-11-10T01:16:13Z nyef: ... Time was, we'd have a broken non-unicode build for months before anyone noticed, let alone got around to fixing it. Thank you, scymtym_ for at least pointing it out. (-:
2014-11-10T01:17:28Z nyef: ... Something seems a little iffy with the build of target-thread.lisp there, but that's not quite likely to be relevant.
2014-11-10T01:18:52Z nyef: Oh, lovely, the "blows up early in cold-init" sort of failure. Not debugging that. /-:
2014-11-10T01:20:42Z pkhuong: can't be that bad; let's look at the commit.
2014-11-10T01:20:44Z pkhuong: (famous last words)
2014-11-10T01:20:50Z scymtym_: the build includes three commits only two of which affect x86[_64], so finding the commit should be easy
2014-11-10T01:40:05Z |3b| 's uname says MSYS_NT-6.3 if anyone wants to add that to make-config.sh as another name for "win32"
2014-11-10T01:42:46Z nyef: Maybe anything starting with MSYS_NT ?
2014-11-10T01:43:09Z |3b| would probably just got with MSYS*
2014-11-10T01:49:00Z |3b|: looks like i also have a #define pthread_sigmask(H, S1, S2) 0
2014-11-10T01:49:20Z |3b|: which doesn't go well with the definition as a function in pthreads_win32.h
2014-11-10T01:50:50Z |3b|: does #undef sound like the right fix?
2014-11-10T01:53:11Z |3b|: gets farther with it at least
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2014-11-10T02:25:53Z |3b| seems to have no SIGPROF symbol in SB-UNIX
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2014-11-10T02:41:19Z |3b|: seems to be missing lots of symbols
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2014-11-10T03:55:46Z |3b|: ah, i'm guessing the patch that removed symbols that don't have definitions is the problem :/
2014-11-10T03:56:22Z |3b|: i guess sb-sprof needs a #-win32 somewhere now
2014-11-10T04:06:09Z |3b|: did sb-sprof work on windows in the first place?
2014-11-10T04:06:45Z nyef: It might not have, given the amazing support that windows has for SIGALRM.
2014-11-10T04:08:22Z |3b|: i guess maybe it never called the function that used the undefined sb-unix:sigprof
2014-11-10T04:09:01Z |3b|: ah, i guess the tests are #-win32
2014-11-10T04:09:26Z |3b|: so it is expected that it doesn't work, it just decides to install it anyway
2014-11-10T04:10:55Z |3b|: yeah, trying to actually use it on the supposedly working version gets unbound variable error
2014-11-10T04:11:33Z nyef: Fortunately, nobody actually uses windows anymore, having all moved to OSX instead.
2014-11-10T04:11:53Z |3b| wishes i'd noticed that before spending a bunch of time isolating it :p
2014-11-10T04:12:15Z |3b| uses windows for games, so wouldn't mind having a lisp dev environment available in windows too
2014-11-10T04:12:33Z |3b|: though linux game support has been improving a lot lately
2014-11-10T04:18:51Z |3b|: guess i'll go back to trying to set it up to actually use it and see if it works in general
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2014-11-10T07:24:20Z ams: cool ..
2014-11-10T07:34:40Z hzp: not on master, but there's a working windows sb-sprof still waiting to be ported over
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2014-11-10T10:44:45Z stassats: sb-unicode failure is a bit weird
2014-11-10T10:44:45Z minion: stassats, memo from pjb: *ı* don't do dots
2014-11-10T10:45:05Z stassats: too but array errors are not internal
2014-11-10T10:45:08Z stassats: too bad
2014-11-10T10:45:45Z stassats: or rather, it's signalled too late to be handled by ldb
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2014-11-10T14:17:44Z Krystof: *sigh* I shouldn't blog, really
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2014-11-10T14:18:32Z Krystof: internet commentariat summary: (a) you wouldn't make that silly mistake in a language with better syntax (b) Symbolics did that in 1986
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2014-11-10T14:20:18Z DGASAU: Krystof: my personal opinion on comments of type "a" is that you have all reasons to tell such comentators to fuck off.
2014-11-10T14:20:27Z DGASAU shrugs.
2014-11-10T14:21:11Z pkhuong: Krystof: ah, dat peanut gallery.
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2014-11-10T14:42:21Z stassats added PC printing to describe_internal_error
2014-11-10T14:42:43Z stassats: finding the component would probably be too good
2014-11-10T14:43:02Z stassats: but that can be easily done based on the PC from gdb
2014-11-10T14:48:29Z stassats: found the problem
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2014-11-10T14:57:28Z p_l: Krystof: answer to (b) type: "So, now you've got public-domain, instead of a dead thing with murky copyright status"
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2014-11-10T15:04:52Z Krystof: p_l: Ironically I was trying to reply to (b) with a snappy ironic "confusing" between Symbolics and LMI, but I couldn't find enough information about either of them to be properly sarcastic
2014-11-10T15:05:07Z Krystof: so, rant on IRC instead
2014-11-10T15:11:42Z flip214: Krystof: I used some plugin that asked for the sum of two values (to avoid spam), and made it use multiplication instead ...
2014-11-10T15:12:05Z flip214: there's neither spam nor stupid comments to be seen anymore ;)
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2014-11-10T16:38:10Z p_l: flip214: I have seen captcha that would require, instead of typical OCR, the old STUDENT lisp program :D
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2014-11-10T17:44:25Z ams: Krystof: what kind of info?
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2014-11-10T19:08:56Z scymtym: when called with *PRINT-READABLY* bound to t (e.g. (with-standard-io-syntax (compile-file …))), SB-C:FIND-COMPONENT-NAME can signal an error if the component name contains something like a specializer object that cannot be printed readably. would it be ok to rebind *PRINT-READABLY* to nil or invoke the PRINT-UNREADABLY restart in SB-C:FIND-COMPONENT-NAME?
2014-11-10T19:09:59Z stassats: just bind *print-readably*
2014-11-10T19:11:51Z scymtym: you mean the client calling COMPILE[-FILE] should bind it?
2014-11-10T19:12:10Z stassats: SB-C::FIND-COMPONENT-NAME
2014-11-10T19:13:44Z scymtym: just to be sure: you are suggesting to bind *PRINT-READABLY* in SB-C::FIND-COMPONENT-NAME but to leave the restart alone?
2014-11-10T19:14:15Z stassats: there should be no condition to restart
2014-11-10T19:15:58Z scymtym: IIUC, attempting to readably print an object which cannot be printed readably establishes a restart to print it unreadably instead. SB-C::FIND-COMPONENT-NAME could use that restart to recover instead of binding *PRINT-READABLY*
2014-11-10T19:16:10Z stassats: why?
2014-11-10T19:16:36Z scymtym: i brought that up because it would minimize the change in behavior when everthing can be printed readably
2014-11-10T19:16:58Z scymtym: it would be more complicated, of couse
2014-11-10T19:17:06Z scymtym: *course
2014-11-10T19:17:10Z stassats: will there be a change?
2014-11-10T19:17:54Z scymtym: i'm not sure
2014-11-10T19:18:14Z stassats: it doesn't matter anyway
2014-11-10T19:18:38Z scymtym: that was my impression since it also binds *PRINT-LEVEL*
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2014-11-10T19:19:21Z scymtym: ok, i will try binding *PRINT-READABLY* to nil and see if something breaks
2014-11-10T19:19:29Z scymtym: thanks for the feedback
2014-11-10T19:19:58Z stassats: it usually is bound to NIL
2014-11-10T19:21:05Z scymtym: yes, the problem is only triggered by doing something like (with-standard-io-syntax (compile-file …))
2014-11-10T19:21:24Z scymtym: but something like that should still work, i think
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