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2014-09-20T13:55:11Z scymtym_: updated IPv6 patch: http://paste.lisp.org/display/143795. i rushed this one a bit (since H4ns seems to want IPv6 support in usocket rather urgently) but i still think it is approaching commitability. what do you think?
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2014-09-20T15:04:05Z Krystof: scymtym_: +  ;; FIXME: Our Texinfo documentation extracter need at least this to spit
2014-09-20T15:04:23Z Krystof: if you're fixing typos, then I think it's "needs" and "extractor"
2014-09-20T15:04:32Z Krystof: one line of text, three bugs :-)
2014-09-20T15:07:28Z Krystof: scymtym_: what's the rationale for #+ipv6?  Can't we include this support unconditionally?
2014-09-20T15:30:36Z scymtym_: Krystof: thanks for having a look
2014-09-20T15:31:16Z scymtym_: i think, the constant for the IPv6 address family was #+linux conditionalized
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2014-09-20T15:31:50Z scymtym_: which H4ns suggested should be turned into a target feature
2014-09-20T15:32:16Z scymtym_: i honestly do not know where it is available
2014-09-20T15:32:38Z scymtym_: (where = on which platforms)
2014-09-20T15:34:53Z fe[nl]ix: Linux, OSX and all BSDs support IPv6
2014-09-20T15:38:13Z scymtym_: so maybe :ipv6 should be pushed onto *FEATURES* after loading sb-bsd-sockets instead of being a build-time option used for conditionalization?
2014-09-20T16:00:39Z Krystof: I would say that it's not worth pushing a feature -- the user can test for (find-class 'inet6-socket) instead
2014-09-20T16:04:46Z scymtym_: i will remove the feature completely, then
2014-09-20T16:05:33Z |3b|: make sure it is documented if that is the official way to check for support
2014-09-20T16:05:56Z |3b| isn't sure i'd think of it, and would probably end up with version checks or something
2014-09-20T16:06:29Z |3b|: though i guess you need to find-symbol first to handle old versions correctly too
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2014-09-20T16:08:04Z Krystof: Well, I suppose I would ask: under what circumstances is the sb-bsd-sockets user writing code that needs a reader conditional, and what are they aiming to achieve?
2014-09-20T16:08:45Z scymtym_: i think the goal is teaching usocket IPv6
2014-09-20T16:08:46Z Krystof: show me some code that uses the :ipv6 reader conditional and I'll either say "ok, that's necessary, let's keep it" or "nah, you can do that test like this"
2014-09-20T16:09:08Z |3b|: true, i guess that could be mostly hidden inside sbcl code rather than something users need to care about
2014-09-20T16:09:23Z scymtym_: won't they need some form of conditionalization of they want to support older sbcl versions as well?
2014-09-20T16:09:48Z Krystof: scymtym_: the problem with an :ipv6 feature is that let's say we change our implementation internals (someone renames inet6-socket to inet-6-socket, for example)
2014-09-20T16:10:00Z Krystof: we of course keep the :ipv6 feature, because we still support ipv6
2014-09-20T16:10:06Z Krystof: but the usocket-specific code breaks
2014-09-20T16:10:15Z scymtym_: i see
2014-09-20T16:10:19Z Krystof: what good has the :ipv6 feature actually done?
2014-09-20T16:11:05Z Krystof: instead, usocket can test (at read-time or run-time) for the existence of the inet6-socket class, and do something appropriate if it finds it (and something else if it doesn't)
2014-09-20T16:11:31Z Krystof: then if we rename to inet-6-socket, usocket can test for that too
2014-09-20T16:12:01Z Krystof: my motto in this area is: test for the functionality you actually depend on, not some proxy that may or may not have the same meaning in five years' time
2014-09-20T16:12:22Z scymtym_: sure, i read the tutorial linked from one of the backquote blog posts
2014-09-20T16:12:40Z Krystof: stuff I wrote a decade ago may or may not still be true :)
2014-09-20T16:14:26Z scymtym_: we currently do address (un)parsing ourselves (like iolib)
2014-09-20T16:14:35Z scymtym_: However, H4ns suggested (via private email) using foreign functions for address (un)parsing (inet_{pton,ntop})
2014-09-20T16:16:16Z scymtym_: for IPv6, the (un)parsing rules seem more involved so i'm not sure which approach is best
2014-09-20T16:18:09Z Krystof: assuming the foreign functions are available everywhere that ipv6 is, I don't see any particular advantage in reimplementing address parsing ourselves
2014-09-20T16:18:22Z Krystof: I reserve the right to change my mind if memory management becomes a pain
2014-09-20T16:19:40Z scymtym_: we represent addresses as octet-vectors, so just copying to/form the foreign arrays before/after (up)parsing seems possible
2014-09-20T16:21:33Z scymtym_: i will try the foreign function approach and see how it goes
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