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2014-09-17T06:14:21Z Krystof: krzysz00: I don't think so -- just time
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2014-09-17T06:53:05Z brucem: a grim question ... has anyone heard from Tom Emerson lately?
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2014-09-17T07:08:14Z Krystof: krzysz00: actually, I think I did want you to think about the UNICODE1 name/codepoint lookups, about whether we could do better than punning code points above #x110000 to be the same as those with #x110000 subtracted
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2014-09-17T07:46:58Z H4ns: does anyone know anything about ipv6 support in sb-bsd-sockets?
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2014-09-17T11:31:45Z flip214: hooray for christoph_debian! 1.2.3-1 in unstable.
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2014-09-17T13:13:58Z Krystof: I don't believe it.  My new walk-let* fixes the hairy-specials on the first try
2014-09-17T13:14:01Z Krystof: that never happens
2014-09-17T13:17:06Z Krystof: it's OK, I've found a different bug
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2014-09-17T13:57:09Z Krystof: http://paste.lisp.org/display/143749
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2014-09-17T14:24:20Z Krystof: Unexpected success: walk.impure.lisp / (WALK LET* SPECIAL LIST HAIRY-SPECIALS)
2014-09-17T14:24:24Z Krystof: a very small amount of winnage
2014-09-17T14:24:26Z stassats: yay
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2014-09-17T15:10:37Z snuglas: hey. does 'globaldb-sxhashoid' look like it has either dependence on the cross-compiler host, or instability with respect to dump/restore of an image? Jan Moringen found a case where EQUAL of two lists does not imply = of the hashoids
2014-09-17T15:11:15Z snuglas: to clarify: two lists of symbols, for which sxhash *must* be stable across images, per CLHS
2014-09-17T15:18:13Z Krystof: I can't immediately see such a leak, but
2014-09-17T15:19:28Z Krystof: if I were being really paranoid I'd change the most-positive-fixnum in %sxhash-simple-substring to sb!xc:most-positive-fixnum
2014-09-17T15:19:59Z Krystof: also, globaldb-sxhashoid run in the cross-compiler won't give the same value as globaldb-sxhashoid on the target
2014-09-17T15:20:10Z Krystof: %sxhash-substring, I mean
2014-09-17T15:20:56Z Krystof: what's the colliding case?
2014-09-17T15:22:20Z snuglas: you mean the "opposite of colliding". (collisions are fine, right? because = hash does not imply EQUAL)
2014-09-17T15:22:30Z snuglas: anyway, (globaldb-sxhashoid '(SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD ASDF/ACTION:PERFORM (ASDF/LISP-ACTION:TEST-OP (COMMON-LISP:EQL (ASDF/SYSTEM:FIND-SYSTEM (COMMON-LISP:QUOTE :ITERATE))))))
2014-09-17T15:22:57Z snuglas: gives me three different values- one in the image Jan sent me, one that results from running his images, and mine locally.
2014-09-17T15:23:01Z snuglas: all different. all 32-bit builds for x86
2014-09-17T15:23:21Z Krystof: sorry, yes, the opposite
2014-09-17T15:24:48Z snuglas: i'm going examine the hashes of each symbol next.
2014-09-17T15:25:44Z stassats: don't the symbols have a slot for hashes?
2014-09-17T15:26:03Z snuglas: right, but only after we compute it and cache it there.
2014-09-17T15:26:30Z snuglas: they're born as 0 except maybe for static symbols ?
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2014-09-17T15:27:51Z Krystof: they should be
2014-09-17T15:28:09Z Krystof: (sb-c::symbol-hash 'fresh)
2014-09-17T15:28:26Z snuglas: but clearly the value that is "baked in" to Jan's image does not even coincide with what it would recompute.
2014-09-17T15:28:52Z snuglas: we shouldn't need to re-zero them on image dump, they should be right even if nonzero at that point
2014-09-17T15:29:04Z Krystof: agree
2014-09-17T15:29:06Z stassats: the symbol-hash slot is not a straight slot having a hash
2014-09-17T15:29:33Z snuglas: because of nil's hash slot actually having to be non-fixnum.
2014-09-17T15:29:44Z snuglas: but that's just a bit masking operation to fix it
2014-09-17T15:31:56Z stassats: and the comment on x86-64 is outdated "so we have to strip off the _three_ low bits"
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2014-09-17T15:49:36Z Krystof: snuglas: do you know how scymtym built his image?
2014-09-17T15:50:11Z Krystof: it's pretty bizarre that you don't get the same hash codes as he does from the image he sent you
2014-09-17T15:51:38Z snuglas: no, it's opaque to me.
2014-09-17T15:52:28Z stassats: does the image contain asdf?
2014-09-17T15:52:34Z snuglas: yes it has.
2014-09-17T15:53:12Z stassats: does it have the :iterate symbol interned?
2014-09-17T15:54:08Z snuglas: yes, it's interned. but sxhash has to be package-agnostic by definition
2014-09-17T15:54:10Z scymtym: stassats: yes, it contains asdf
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2014-09-17T15:54:42Z snuglas: are you suggesting maybe there's an issue where we get that wrong?
2014-09-17T15:56:51Z scymtym sure hopes this doesn't turn out to be a user-error after all
2014-09-17T15:57:20Z snuglas: scymtym: did you define metaobject stuff, such as EQL specializer behavior, and then smash the lists ?
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2014-09-17T15:57:49Z pkhuong: do all three images have identical machine code for globaldb-sxhashoid?
2014-09-17T15:58:16Z snuglas: pkhuong: i've only two images, mine and his. I have three behaviors.
2014-09-17T15:58:26Z snuglas: but yes, I'll check that next...
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2014-09-17T16:00:06Z stassats: so, is sb-c::globaldb-sxhashoid supposed to be different or equal to sxhash?
2014-09-17T16:00:16Z Krystof: different
2014-09-17T16:00:20Z jsnell: checking whether recompiling globaldb-sxhashoid in the image changes the behavior would be a good early step. if the problem remains, it's then easy to add debug instrumentation
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2014-09-17T16:01:00Z stassats: on PPC it's the same
2014-09-17T16:01:30Z scymtym: snuglas: i don't have access to the code (or the image) right now. there are probably EQL specialized methods on ASDF:PERFORM but i can't say for sure whether any get defined before dumping the image.
2014-09-17T16:01:50Z Krystof: stassats: well, it's meant to be different for longer lists
2014-09-17T16:02:29Z stassats: longer, which magnitude?
2014-09-17T16:02:50Z Krystof: length 5 or so
2014-09-17T16:03:15Z stassats: (= (sxhash #1='("ITERATE" "X" #() asd 1 2 3 45)) (sb-c::globaldb-sxhashoid #1#)) => T
2014-09-17T16:04:10Z Krystof: *blink*
2014-09-17T16:04:12Z Krystof: ok, have to go
2014-09-17T16:04:14Z Krystof: back later
2014-09-17T16:04:24Z stassats: don't have an arm machine nearby
2014-09-17T16:05:51Z |3b| has arm running
2014-09-17T16:06:19Z stassats: as opposed to leg running?
2014-09-17T16:06:40Z stassats: |3b|: what does (= (sxhash #1='("ITERATE" "X" #() asd 1 2 3 45)) (sb-c::globaldb-sxhashoid #1#)) do?
2014-09-17T16:07:03Z |3b|: NIL
2014-09-17T16:07:10Z stassats: ok
2014-09-17T16:07:11Z |3b|: on 1.2.3.15-4704124
2014-09-17T16:07:47Z stassats: wait, that wasn't actually ppc
2014-09-17T16:08:05Z stassats: that was x86-64
2014-09-17T16:09:56Z |3b|: 1.1.13.24 on x86 says T,  1.2.3.41  x8664 says NIL
2014-09-17T16:10:44Z stassats: one thing i can say about my sbcl is that it was downloaded from sbcl.org
2014-09-17T16:11:41Z |3b| notes sbcl.org has a very old x86 sbcl
2014-09-17T16:12:06Z |3b|: what is the command to build x86 on x8664?
2014-09-17T16:12:17Z stassats: --arch=x86
2014-09-17T16:13:38Z stassats: and the new kernel broke the backlight buttons, great
2014-09-17T16:14:40Z |3b|: snuglas: which sbcl versions, and what are the 3 hash values you get?
2014-09-17T16:16:18Z stassats: huh, what, the x now runs on the same virtual console, but anyway, downloaded sbcl 1.1.15 x86-64 shows T
2014-09-17T16:17:12Z stassats: well, whatever, i guess
2014-09-17T16:18:33Z snuglas: stassats: i changed the behavior because sxhash cut off method names, so (:around baz (x t)) was the same hash as (:around baz (x frob)). to preserve the behavior that 'sxhash' = 'sxhashoid' where the cutoff would not have mattered would have entailed extra checks that would otherwise be pointless
2014-09-17T16:18:50Z |3b|: NIL on new x86 build
2014-09-17T16:21:35Z |3b|: different hash of that form on x86 and arm, though same symbol-hash of the symbols involved
2014-09-17T16:21:43Z |3b| has no idea if that means anything or not
2014-09-17T16:22:08Z stassats: the whole thing doesn't look very deterministic
2014-09-17T16:27:28Z |3b|: ah, i guess (symbol-hash NIL) is different, even if the visible symbols are the same
2014-09-17T16:27:45Z stassats: there's that
2014-09-17T16:31:41Z stassats: in the example above, EQL names a static function
2014-09-17T16:32:27Z stassats: at least (sxhash 'eql) looks different
2014-09-17T16:33:00Z stassats: or maybe that's because it's hort
2014-09-17T16:33:08Z |3b| gets 535819630 for eql on arm and both x86 versions i have
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2014-09-17T16:33:29Z stassats: ok, it was the shortness that confused me
2014-09-17T16:36:25Z christoph_debian: flip214: but then it fails on half the architectures
2014-09-17T16:36:27Z christoph_debian: :-/
2014-09-17T16:36:48Z christoph_debian: powerpc / 1.2.3 seems broken
2014-09-17T16:37:18Z christoph_debian: and kfreebsd as well -- though I can maybe look into that
2014-09-17T16:37:20Z flip214: christoph_debian: as long as amd64 works I'm fine with it ;)
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2014-09-17T16:41:26Z |3b|: looks like different hash in saved image may be repeatable
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2014-09-17T16:45:18Z |3b|: and changes again if i save an image again
2014-09-17T16:45:37Z |3b| wonders if i'm doing something wrong
2014-09-17T16:46:05Z stassats: not here
2014-09-17T16:46:21Z |3b|: not wondering you mean?
2014-09-17T16:46:32Z |3b|: or not changing
2014-09-17T16:46:48Z stassats: not changing
2014-09-17T16:46:58Z |3b|: on current x86?
2014-09-17T16:47:08Z stassats: -64
2014-09-17T16:47:16Z stassats: don't have an x86 handy
2014-09-17T16:47:26Z |3b| is running x86 sbcl on x8664
2014-09-17T16:47:33Z stassats: and time to go home
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2014-09-17T16:48:05Z |3b|: doesn't change on arm either
2014-09-17T16:53:57Z |3b|: http://paste.lisp.org/+32X4
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2014-09-17T16:56:27Z |3b|: symbol-hash of the symbols in the list don't change when saving the image
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2014-09-17T17:00:15Z |3b|: recompiling globaldb-sxhashoid changes hash also
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2014-09-17T17:00:40Z |3b|: on x86, but not arm
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2014-09-17T17:02:14Z |3b|: hmm, "The value 3735928559 is not of type (UNSIGNED-BYTE 29)."
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2014-09-17T17:03:24Z |3b|: with a 29bit constant it might be a bit more stable
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2014-09-17T17:05:10Z |3b|: yeah, that's my guess... stays same on recompile or after saving an image with #.(logand #xdeadbeef most-positive-fixnum))
2014-09-17T17:05:23Z |3b| tries a full build
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2014-09-17T17:13:07Z |3b|: hmm, didn't seem to help in full build :(
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2014-09-17T17:20:45Z |3b|: ah, probably help if i use target's most-positive-fixnum instead of host
2014-09-17T17:21:17Z |3b| builds it again
2014-09-17T17:26:10Z |3b|: yeah, that did it
2014-09-17T17:26:42Z |3b|: so bug in globaldb-sxhashoid on 32 bit, which for whatever reason doesn't affect arm
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2014-09-17T17:39:36Z Krystof: |3b|: the address of NIL would be my guess
2014-09-17T17:39:58Z jsnell: address of nil should be fixed, surely
2014-09-17T17:40:23Z Krystof: between different arches
2014-09-17T17:40:43Z Krystof: but I'm just kibitzing at this point
2014-09-17T17:40:48Z |3b|: yeah, NIL is different between arch, but doubt that is why the bug doesn't affect arm
2014-09-17T17:41:02Z |3b| would guess just different VOPs or something
2014-09-17T17:41:05Z Krystof: I thought of a brilliant root cause for the problem on the way home, which turned out not to be the case
2014-09-17T17:41:13Z Krystof: shame, really
2014-09-17T17:41:26Z Krystof: because it would have been totally opaque
2014-09-17T17:41:31Z |3b|: as far as i can tell, problem is that #xdeadbeef is more than 32 bits
2014-09-17T17:41:38Z |3b|: *29 bits
2014-09-17T17:42:07Z |3b|: so it just does something random with the extra bits
2014-09-17T17:43:44Z |3b|: while arm does something repeatable with the extra bits, so doesn't have a problem
2014-09-17T17:44:21Z |3b|: and in either case, only affects particularly deep NAMEs, so doesn't break things immediately
2014-09-17T17:46:43Z |3b|: http://paste.lisp.org/+32X4/1 seems to fix it
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2014-09-17T18:01:09Z pkhuong: might have been a heap size issue
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2014-09-17T19:24:53Z faheem__1: does anyone here happen to know how to configure emacs to call the local copy of the clhs from the Debian hyperspec package
2014-09-17T19:27:27Z Krystof: C-h f common-lisp-hyperspec RET
2014-09-17T19:33:58Z faheem__1: Krystof: thanks
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2014-09-17T20:29:04Z scymtym_: any last minute veto w.r.t. pushing SB-SEQUENCE:{MAP,CONCATENATE,MERGE}?
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2014-09-17T20:59:02Z pkhuong: +1 for me
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2014-09-17T21:23:24Z scymtym_: pushed
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