00:01:22 I don't know ... Wouldn't it then also state in defconstant, that no constant shall be named like any slot of any class? 00:02:31 defconstant doesn't even mention that conforming programs shouldn't rebind constants. 00:03:00 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:18 I states that it is undefined to assign a value with an other operator. 00:05:01 davazp [~user@12.Red-83-55-79.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #sbcl 00:05:05 assignment is different from binding 00:05:40 -!- davazp [~user@12.Red-83-55-79.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:54 Bike, could you please explain that. 00:06:32 "assign v.t. (a variable) to change the value of the variable in a binding that has already been established" 00:07:03 Ah ... okay. :) 00:07:10 anyway there's no reason defconstant would have to list every possible interaction 00:08:36 And what about first defining a class with some slot foo, and later making foo a constant variable? 00:10:28 Alfr: you better not do that. Same as defining a function that creates bindings with a name that then becomes a constant. 00:10:36 Or gets declaimed special. 00:11:50 Okay, will keep that in mind. 00:12:32 But I think that I don't understand where a binding for X is created, when defining a class with a slot named X. 00:19:50 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 00:19:50 re PPC failure, I'm going to guess that some lifetime specs are buggy. 00:20:29 Any pointer on this? :) 00:41:02 milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af50bce.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #sbcl 00:41:37 samskull` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 00:42:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:07 hlavaty` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #sbcl 00:46:03 -!- milosn [~milosn@user-5af50bce.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:46:06 -!- hlavaty 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I'm pretty sure stassats will fix that easily. 20:43:33 wait, it looks like it's been that way for a while. I thought we errored out in make-array nil, but maybe not. 20:44:12 I thought you used to get an error about not being able to print one, but I might be misremembering 20:49:43 I thought we would error on printing 20:49:50 you do on most other access forms, or should 20:50:25 pretty sure they shouldn't be printable. 20:50:29 (aref (make-array 4 :element-type nil) 2) => Error: The value 2 is not of type (MOD 536870909). 20:50:33 What fun. 20:50:40 yeah, that's... not ideal. 20:50:51 of course i understand nil arrays are pretty obscure 20:51:24 wot 20:51:37 that's not the message I programmed in way back when 20:51:38 providing any :initial-element gives a reasonably sensible error about the element not being "a NIL" 20:52:00 I'm sure it used to say "congratulations, you tried to access an element of a NIL array" 20:52:06 yes, i remember that too. 20:52:14 I'd like to blame some clever new optimization 20:53:36 I like that cynical message. :) 20:54:42 I think that's the widetag-based hairy data vector ref/set 20:55:01 for the type error, that is. 21:05:07 the optimized-data-vector-ref function for the nil array seems to have a miscompilation 21:06:40 (defun foo (x y) (declare (optimize (safety 0)) (type (simple-array nil (*)) x) (type (integer 0 1024) y)) (aref x y)) ; really quite a bad miscompilation 21:07:35 ...what's happening there? 21:07:39 oh, what. DCE 21:08:21 we derive that aref never returns, it's flushable, and badness ensues. 21:11:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:18 quick fix: check for NIL return types in flushable-combination-p. We'll sometimes emit redundant code, but I don't know if it's important to emit compact code that just errors out. 21:20:41 local fix: don't convert aref to d-v-ref when it's a NIL array (we only convert when we know which type it is) 21:22:15 SO MUCH BROKEN 21:22:32 and I have this lovely lisp buffer to my right, taunting me with all its interesting FIXMEs 21:23:02 (defmethod generalizer-of-using-class ((gf cons-generic-function) arg) 21:23:02 (typecase arg 21:23:02 ((cons symbol) (car arg)) 21:23:02 (t (call-next-method)))) 21:28:48 re flushable-combination-p: code after an error isn't an issue because the basic block will eventually be terminated at the errorful combination and the rest killed for lack of predecessor. 22:00:19 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f6ac2e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:05 ASau` [~user@p54AFF529.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 22:09:41 -!- ASau [~user@p5083D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:15:54 _8hzp` [~user@87-95-32-184.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #sbcl 22:19:17 -!- _8hzp [~user@87-95-36-220.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:27:30 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.182] has joined #sbcl 22:30:47 leoc [~leoc.git@p5480AB61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 22:38:36 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:25 -!- Bike [~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:46:40 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.182] has joined #sbcl 22:55:45 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p5480AB61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:57:22 Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu] has joined #sbcl 23:00:33 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:46 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:52:18 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]