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It's been released a month and a half ago, and there were no major complaints (small bugs, fixed in head, but then again also present in the 3.0.2 that sbcl ships with). — as compared to 3.0.2, 3.0.3 has some sbcl/windows fixes and some sbcl corner case fixes in its use of run-program (which was generally much improved). 20:46:41 scymtym_ [~user@ip-5-147-115-29.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #sbcl 21:54:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:25 drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has joined #sbcl 22:08:22 ASau` [~user@p5083D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 22:09:37 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFEBE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:11:33 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 22:24:55 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@155.247.96.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:09 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.182] has joined #sbcl 22:51:41 -!- prxq [~mommer@x2f67305.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.105.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:38 Alfr [~Unknown@g225178164.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #sbcl 23:06:45 -!- scymtym_ [~user@ip-5-147-115-29.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:13:26 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-175-2-214.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:14:36 -!- ltt_ [~ltt_@187.56.53.208] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 23:40:34 Hello. 23:41:30 Why does defclass in sbcl not accept a slot-name which also is a constant variable? 23:46:15 Alfr: because the spec says "Slot-name--a symbol. The slot-name argument is a symbol that is syntactically valid for use as a variable name." 23:47:29 To avoid bad interactions with with-slots, I guess. 23:47:32 Aehm ... so? 23:48:05 But what is invalid about t, nil, *a*? 23:48:07 Alfr: a symbol that names a constant is not valid as a variable name. 23:48:13 or +a+? 23:48:30 I mean, those are self evaluating variables. 23:48:45 no, these are self evaluating constants. 23:48:47 (Given +a+ is set up that way.) 23:50:41 But defconstant states, that a global variable is assigned a value ... 23:50:58 Thus, aren't constants still variables? 23:51:14 "The consequences are undefined if an attempt is made to [...] create a binding for a constant variable" 23:52:11 But a slot-name, isn't a binding, or what did I miss? 23:52:41 I is as far as I know only used to access a slot using slot-value. 23:53:54 Regarding bad interactions with with-slots: with-slots is just a macro, that wraps around symbol-macrolet ... 23:53:56 symbol-macrolet says "If an attempt is made to bind a symbol that is defined as a global variable, an error of type program-error is signaled." 23:54:10 "global variable n. a dynamic variable or a constant variable." 23:55:24 Right, but that shouldn't make it invalid to use t (e.g. for the sink-node if writing a class representing an s-t-flow) as a slot-name ... 23:55:58 yes. because t isn't valid as a variable name. 23:56:01 It should just be an error to use (with-slots (t) flow-object ...) 23:56:46 CLHS refers to T as a ``Constant Variable''. 23:57:06 so it's not valid as a variable name. 23:57:38 "variable n. a binding in the ``variable'' namespace. See Section 3.1.2.1.1 (Symbols as Forms)." 23:58:16 constant variable n. a variable, the value of which can never change 23:58:38 yes. ok. So tell me what symbol would not be syntactically valid as a variable name for you? 23:58:55 I guess none. 23:59:10 That's surely the intention behind the spec.