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12:44:38 speak before the child wakes from her nap or forever hold your peace 12:48:10 -!- Hydan is now known as Hydan` 12:50:44 a question: as far as i have understood, one is supposed to turn off the compilation of the contribs while building sbcl. how is it done? 12:51:35 how so "supposed"? 12:58:08 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:00:28 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 13:07:00 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 13:10:36 stassats: thanks for the quick fix yesterday 13:15:40 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-253-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 13:19:35 Krystof: NetBSD :) 13:21:13 did I misspell something? 13:21:27 ? 13:21:55 Ah, I see. 13:21:58 Thank you! 13:22:06 I'll test in few hours. 13:22:23 thanks 13:22:57 It wasn't there in the morning, and I didn't check. 13:32:38 -!- nicdev` is now known as nicdev 13:35:01 -!- asedeno_ [~asedeno@66.102.14.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:35:48 asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.24] has joined #sbcl 13:50:10 Krystof: pkhuong told me once that when testing the performance of my regalloc i need to turn off the contribs 13:51:20 Hrm, I'm not sure what he meant by that -- maybe just not collecting statistics from the contribs? 13:51:51 you can run the different stages of the build independently (take a look at make.sh) 13:52:12 the only tricky bit is getting the environment variables right (SBCL_XC_HOST is the usual one to get right) 13:57:49 Krystof: what would be the problem, if i would collect the statistics with contribs? 13:58:06 psilord [~pkeller@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 13:59:24 I don't know, I'm trying to interpret what you remember pkhuong saying 13:59:29 maybe that the contribs are not representative code? 13:59:49 pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 14:00:07 -!- pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #sbcl 14:01:24 pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 14:01:29 -!- pnpuff [~l@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #sbcl 14:07:49 -!- psilord [~pkeller@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:07:49 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:53 danlentz_ [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 14:11:03 psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 14:19:54 -!- Hydan` is now known as Hydan 14:26:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@84-236-116-16.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #sbcl 14:26:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@84-236-116-16.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 14:26:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 14:39:11 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:51 -!- psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:54:36 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:26:38 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 15:29:09 Krystof: at that point of time we have been discussing several other issues and i have forgot to ask directly 15:30:45 -!- benkard [~benkard@2001:4ca0:0:f230:f531:738:c253:327e] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 15:31:20 -!- Hydan is now known as Hydan` 15:31:57 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:00 -!- Hydan` is now known as Hydan 15:32:12 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 15:49:21 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 16:00:40 -!- kludge` [~comet@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:19 kludge` [~comet@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined #sbcl 16:20:09 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:27:42 davazp [~user@92.251.233.29.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 16:29:31 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #sbcl 16:30:42 psilord [~pkeller@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 16:34:36 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47:36 sdemarre [~serge@46.136-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #sbcl 16:48:49 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 16:52:12 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.233.29.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:53:37 -!- Hydan is now known as Hydan` 16:56:38 -!- Hydan` [~textual@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz] 16:57:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:58:34 jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has joined #sbcl 17:00:48 Krystof: any chance to commit support for DragonFly too? 17:01:09 Krystof: I cannot test it, but the patch was committed by their developer. 17:02:23 Or rather... 17:02:25 Forget it. 17:02:35 Let them figure it themselves. 17:03:18 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:07:26 -!- sdemarre [~serge@46.136-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:29 -!- jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39:07 jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has joined #sbcl 17:43:47 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 17:45:08 -!- jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:55:10 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:04:57 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #sbcl 18:41:03 -!- danlentz_ [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:47 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 18:57:15 Hydan [~textual@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #sbcl 18:58:04 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #sbcl 19:04:40 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 19:13:08 is my reading of the spec wrong, or is this a bug in sbcl's cl:merge: 19:13:17 (merge 'list (list "A") (list 1) (lambda (string number) (< (parse-integer string) number))) 19:13:26 => error The value 1 is not of type STRING. 19:13:44 the arguments to the predicate function are being passed backwards (assuming i'm reading the spec correctly) 19:14:21 i see some code in sbcl/src/code/sort.lisp:98 which seems to suggest it's intentional? maybe? 19:14:31 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF970EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:54 if it's a bug in sbcl, then it's also a bug in ccl, clisp, abcl, acl and ecl 19:15:08 ASau [~user@p4FF970EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 19:18:52 and lispworks 19:21:41 it's gotta be a bug in my head then. 19:21:54 or in clhs 19:30:00 (PRED ELT-2 ELT-1), as specified in the manual. 19:30:08 from a comment in sbcl 19:30:13 which manual is that? 19:33:40 segv-: the stability argument seems to imply that 19:34:59 at least, i'm looking at the cltl (in search of "the manual"), and it says (merge 'string "BOY" "nosy" #'char-lessp) => "BnOosYy", this seems to depend on the order 19:35:33 clhs has that example too 19:37:02 sdemarre [~serge@247.125-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #sbcl 19:38:39 segv-: with (pred elt-1 elt-2), all the examples which demonstrate stability are wrong 19:38:48 so, it's a bug in clhs 19:40:23 actually, not only stability, all the examples 19:41:37 stassats: well, the second paragraph in clhs starts with this: " The first argument to the predicate function is an element of sequence-1 as returned by the key (if supplied); the second argument is an element of sequence-2 as returned by the key (if supplied). " 19:41:39 no, i'm doing it wrong 19:42:26 stassats: i can't find an example in cltl or clhs where the two sequences' elements are of different types 19:42:31 (which is the case i'm dealing with here now) 19:42:56 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:40 stassats: but if every single implementation disgrees with me, i'm inclined to trust the implementations 19:44:14 ok, the BnOosYy test fails when i swap the arguments around 19:45:30 <|3b|> segv-: doesn't the last sentence of 2nd para say it needs to work in either order? 19:46:23 |3b|: hm, that's true. 19:46:40 i don't quite know why merge would need to test for equality though 19:46:44 <|3b|> yeah 19:47:35 stassats: ok, now i'm a little confused: 19:47:42 (merge 'string "B" "n" #'char-lessp) => "Bn" 19:47:44 <|3b|> ah, has to check for equality to keep stuff from 1st sequence first when they are equal 19:48:03 if (char-lessp #\n #\B) => T then that should be "nB" 19:48:31 |3b|: ah, yup. that makes sense. 19:48:32 Krystof: it works, thanks. 19:48:35 (char-lessp #\n #\B) => NIL 19:48:44 stassats: that's my point 19:49:02 if we were calling (char-lessp elt2 elt1) then the result would have been "nB" 19:49:04 Krystof: We need more patches still, but that's unlikely to happen in the next two days. 19:49:15 but we're only doing that to test for equality (like |3b| said) 19:49:27 see, it was a bug in head after all :) 19:52:08 http://www.cliki.net/proposed%20ansi%20revisions%20and%20clarifications 19:52:35 "The merging operation is guaranteed stable; if two or more elements are considered equal by the predicate, then the elements from sequence-1 will precede those from sequence-2 in the result. In fact, the optimal algorithm for MERGE (optimal in the sense of minimizing the number of calls to the predicate) will always call the predicate with the arguments in the reverse order (one from sequence-2 followed by one from sequence-1)." 19:54:18 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:47:11 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF970EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:21 ASau [~user@p4FF970EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 21:08:02 -!- sdemarre [~serge@247.125-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:18:08 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host103-221-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:30:25 yacks [~py@103.6.158.106] has joined #sbcl 21:41:51 Posterdati [~antani@host103-221-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #sbcl 21:52:16 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:56:46 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:44 psilord1 [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 22:12:32 -!- psilord [~pkeller@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:25 foom [~jknight@2620:15c:6:14:be30:5bff:fedf:6db6] has joined #sbcl 22:20:30 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 22:52:13 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 22:53:53 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:01 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-253-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:00 yacks [~py@103.6.158.106] has joined #sbcl 23:51:59 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl