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07:31:10 error: refs/tags/sbcl-1.0.50 does not point to a valid object! 07:31:10 error: refs/tags/sbcl-1.0.51 does not point to a valid object! 07:31:16 doesn't look good 07:31:30 (I only now looked at sf.net's spew) 07:54:25 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 07:56:48 teggi [~teggi@123.20.50.245] has joined #sbcl 08:02:44 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: mental deadlock] 08:32:37 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:46:21 -!- pipping_ [~pipping@tchaikovsky.exherbo.org] has quit [Changing host] 08:46:21 pipping_ [~pipping@exherbo/developer/pipping] has joined #sbcl 08:58:03 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 09:11:26 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 09:15:33 I wonder if it has been "upgraded" 09:16:20 it doesn't whine like that to me 09:19:51 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:33:54 *stassats* is back on 3.2.0 kernel, bloody suspend is broken on 3.8, at least now old sbcl can work 09:54:43 jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.205.239.230] has joined #sbcl 10:14:25 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:32 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 10:44:14 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.50.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:34 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 11:07:33 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:34 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 11:13:35 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:54 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.8.77] has joined #sbcl 11:14:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.8.77] has quit [Changing host] 11:14:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 11:15:32 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 11:15:43 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:29 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 11:17:17 -!- davorb [~davor@194.47.245.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:19:23 davorb [~davor@hallonpaj.df.lth.se] has joined #sbcl 11:21:44 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 11:26:13 is there a way in SBCL to install "global" (in the sense of GLOBAL-SYMBOL-VALUE vs. SYMBOL-VALUE) handlers (that does not involve redefining SB-KERNEL::INITIAL-HANDLER-CLUSTERS)? 11:29:30 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:29:43 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 11:44:43 -!- jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.205.239.230] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 11:45:23 teggi [~teggi@123.20.50.245] has joined #sbcl 11:46:07 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:26 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 11:46:32 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:05 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0110df.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 12:09:31 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-4d0110df.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 12:11:46 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-4d0110df.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:27 scymtym: no. (some implementation-specific declamations effectively do that, particularly the ones about muffle-warnings) 12:27:42 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 12:41:18 Krystof: thanks, i will try to understand how this declaration-based mechanism works. 12:42:57 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 12:46:52 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:19 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:47:35 davazp [~user@31.200.158.6] has joined #sbcl 12:49:08 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 12:49:38 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:51:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:51:30 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.8.77] has joined #sbcl 12:51:30 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.8.77] has quit [Changing host] 12:51:30 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 12:53:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 12:57:00 Krystof: from what i understand, (decl{are,laim} ([un]muffle-conditions ...)) only affects /compilation/, not the /compiled/ program and certainly not global defaults such as default handlers in new threads, right? 12:57:10 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:54 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 13:01:46 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 13:02:57 Munksgaard [~philip@188.120.74.119] has joined #sbcl 13:08:01 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 13:11:07 stassats: what's broken on 3.8? 13:11:31 pkhuong: "3.8" is broken, you fixed it some time ago 13:11:39 (parsing the version number) 13:13:27 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 13:14:34 ah, that's ancient ;) You could backport that patch. If you want to build even older releases, you'll have to backport a v-p-e fix too (we used to v-p-e with 0). 13:15:12 not very easy for bisecting and such 13:18:36 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 13:26:41 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:45:33 Krystof: would an interface like [SETF] SB-EXT:DEFAULT-HANDLERS for manipulating initial *HANDLER-CLUSTERS* be completely out of the question or is it worthwhile to try to come up with a prototype? 13:50:00 well, what's the use case? 13:50:20 if it is developer convenience, then probably I'd rather just tell you to manipulate handler-clusters directly 13:54:04 Krystof: a library which allows user code to signal a particular condition from anywhere and collects all such conditions for processing irrespective of the thread from which they were signaled 13:56:18 the concrete usecase would be "speculative" signaling of conditions which indicate progress long running operations and central reporting of this progress information (e.g. in an emacs buffer) 13:59:46 also, directly manipulating *HANDLER-CLUSTERS* will not affect newly created threads, which kind of the whole point of the proposal 14:01:39 can't the user start the thread with a special environment? 14:04:22 stassats: yes, but only for threads under her or his control 14:07:33 the situation is similar for special variables: assume that a library CL-FOO needs a certain kind of cache in each thread. it would have to define a special variable *FOO-CACHE* and then force the client to use WITH-FOO-CACHE around each thread function. 14:08:41 the client would have know the required context for each library code of which might be called at some point 14:08:49 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:09:45 on the other, if there the was a mechanism for setting up default special variable bindings and handlers, libraries could just a their respective required context via that mechanism and client code wouldn't have to know 14:10:00 s/on the other/on the other hand/ 14:10:23 s/just a their/just add their/ 14:20:17 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.158.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:41:57 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.11.42] has joined #sbcl 14:41:58 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.11.42] has quit [Changing host] 14:41:58 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #sbcl 14:53:34 -!- Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-103.lightwire.co.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56:30 -!- scymtym [~user@89.31.118.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:02:50 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:01 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:26 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:23:04 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 15:26:23 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has joined #sbcl 15:31:55 I have now got a tests-passing but slow implementation of Unicode normalization forms 15:32:57 should I merge now? I can't really commit to unslowing it in the near future, but on the other hand the only effect on generic code is a slight increase in core size 16:01:05 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-190-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:08:19 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-180-172.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:09:53 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-180-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:56 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-180-172.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:16:26 davazp [~user@178.167.191.56.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 16:18:45 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:05:26 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 17:18:33 Krystof: how slight? a priori, I don't see why not. It's an additional, if slow, feature for some, and no effect for everyone else. 17:19:39 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19:54 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.191.56.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:33 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:20:52 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 17:34:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.1.59] has joined #sbcl 17:34:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.1.59] has quit [Changing host] 17:34:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 17:36:29 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:36:54 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:02 -!- milosn [~milosn@user-5af50b7a.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:41:45 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:45:03 milosn [~milosn@user-5af50b7a.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #sbcl 17:46:32 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:57:19 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has joined #sbcl 18:45:22 hm 18:45:51 14MB. (That is... surprising. I don't see how that's happened.) 18:46:18 (relative to sbcl-1.1.7) 18:47:45 *Krystof* builds some intermediate versions 18:52:43 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 18:54:01 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.50.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:57 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:57:27 hm, no, not 14MB -- at least, not my fault 18:58:48 oh, duh, I have xref-for-internals turned on 18:58:53 but not in release builds. 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