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an issue with being odd, or some other modular equivalence class. Maybe 7 or 8 are ok... 15:35:01 anything greater than 5 is not ok 15:35:45 Could be that there's some process that only gets so far in five iterations, but gets far enough to cause problems at six. 15:36:31 yeah.. multiply-inlined functions are really funky. 15:36:32 Like how it takes several passes for constraint propagation to find certain things. 15:38:10 *stassats* needs to transition to a bigger screen to look at this, printing clambdas takes a lot of space 15:40:07 Mmm. There are certain things that I can't easily do on my netbook due to the size of the screen. Some aspects of working with gencgc, for example. 15:40:53 (Trying to compare general_copy_large_object() with maybe_adjust_large_object() is something that needs to be done in two columns.) 15:41:41 *stassats* trades one 12.3" to two 23", that's better for debugging 15:57:00 there's some compiler process that happens ten times before bailing, I think. If the difference between 5 and 6 inlinings is that process finishing and not, that could leave something in an inconsistent state 15:57:22 "reoptimize-after-type-check-max" 15:58:10 also look at max-optimize-iterations 15:58:31 hm, somehow, NIL gets into optional-dispatch-entry-points 16:00:06 oh, it's the delayed evaluation thing 16:01:40 this is beyond hairy 16:03:54 generate-optional-default-entry function has just 15 parameter, could do more than that 16:04:52 ir1-convert-more has 17 16:07:43 -!- scymtym [~user@89.31.118.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:19:57 There are times when I wonder about the sanity of the people who originally created various parts of CMUCL. 16:23:26 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:28:23 I see you haven't hung around graduate student labs much ;) 16:35:48 No, I haven't. 16:40:11 drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-198-228-193-175.mycingular.net] has joined #sbcl 16:41:44 ... Is the implication there that if I did then I wouldn't have to wonder, I'd already know that they weren't sane? 16:43:02 looks like main-entry just isn't filled 16:48:40 and normally, that doesn't cause any problems, except for this case 16:49:13 you'd already they know they just wanna get the task done, and that PIs usually don't have time to make sure things are minimally tasteful. 16:51:01 *stassats* wonders if a simple (and main ...) will suffice 16:52:05 Making sure that things are at least minimally tasteful helps velocity on any timescale longer than about two days. 16:53:22 they're hoping to have graduated by then ;) 16:54:47 *nyef* sighs. 16:55:13 Every so often, I learn something new about academia that makes me even less inclined to attempting to join that world. 16:57:22 ok, so is there any reason not to upgrade to asdf 3.0.1 ? 16:57:46 or not to apply the patch at https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1132254 ? 16:57:52 waiting for 3.0.2 16:57:59 hopefully no such thing 16:58:27 can i stop TRACE from printing its args? i'm drowning in clambdas 16:58:28 asdf has been pretty stable these last two months 16:58:58 stassats: you can define your own advice around the functions? 16:59:17 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-198-228-193-175.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:19 that won't stop it from printing the args 16:59:26 i can just redefined trace, though 17:10:39 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:51:31 this bug is making my head spin, i can't see how the hell is it triggered 17:52:24 it is as if it runs several threads 17:59:01 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-89-182.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:03:07 damn, that's because it throws a tag in the middle of things 18:03:25 try reasoning on that 18:07:23 I think you can stop trace from printing its args with a custom :print argument 18:08:45 Krystof: it just prints additional information 18:13:12 so, ir1-convert-local-combination THROWs 'locall-already-let-converted in the middle of ir1-convert-hairy-lambda, leaving a partially initialized optional-dispatch, causing problems 18:13:55 i'll lose my hair if i'll try to understand this hairy things 18:15:05 I've had that from missing with-ir1-environment-from-node 18:15:26 and it's Alexey Dejneka to blame, not grad students 18:16:19 or maybe he was just moving the code around 18:17:11 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:07 no, looks like this throw/catch have a beard 18:27:13 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@216.239.33.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:27:31 asedeno [asedeno@nat/google/x-ecodotthpsavzxph] has joined #sbcl 18:28:52 hm, looks like i have a potential fix, putting (push res (component-new-functionals *current-component*)) after the call to ir1-convert-hairy-args, so that if it's thrown, there won't be a bogus optional-dispatch in the components 18:31:16 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 18:33:09 locall already let converted while trying to inline something is a bad sign though 18:33:30 we've probably clobbered a shared structure earlier, thinking we had sole ownership 18:34:53 that was my initial hunch, but it's really hard to hunt down 18:36:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:37:22 Bike_ [~Glossina@75-175-64-87.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 18:38:13 who thought that throwing tags in an already incomrehensible code is a good idea? 18:39:05 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 18:39:24 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 18:40:12 davazp [~user@92.251.237.112.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 18:47:36 that fix passes build and test 18:47:37 s 18:48:06 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49:17 we need to get the random tester running again 18:49:41 pkhuong: you had a mask-signed-field ir2 cleverness fix that hasn't gone in, didn't you? 18:50:00 and it makes sense, so i'm at least a bit confident in committing it 18:50:01 And, plausibly, to spend some time finding the various nasty parts of the compiler, and making them less nasty. 18:50:46 nyef: finding is the easy part 18:51:15 Sure, and I'm not trying to say that it isn't. 18:52:08 Though sometimes it can take a bit. Ever tried to find the definition of SB-VM::BYTE-IMM-CODE on x86? 18:52:49 (The x86-64 definition of BREAK-CONTROL actually gives the game away there.) 18:53:25 Krystof: right. 18:53:29 fixing backtraces for now 18:54:05 huh, never noticed that slime debugger has "Catch-tags:" for frames 18:55:42 Umm... Does unwind-to-frame-and-call work for any frame, or is it limited to certain debug levels? 18:56:26 debug 2 18:58:45 Mmm. The basic mechanism is largely sound, but there are a couple of bits of information that aren't easily recoverable post-facto. 18:59:11 If we had table-based unwind or similar, we could almost certainly make it work at any debug level. 18:59:35 sometimes it fails to work, usually with generic functions, probably because of caches 18:59:46 Ugh. Lovely. 18:59:49 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.237.112.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:00:18 or i am thinking about "retry-calling this gf", not sure now 19:02:19 what's interesting, this optional-dispatch thing doesn't exceed *inline-expansion-limit* 19:02:31 the default 200 19:03:38 if i remove the call to called, it does 19:03:46 another "WTF" moment 19:04:57 she didn't answer? 19:06:02 capisce: Given that you have to specify WHICH gf to retry calling, I'm not sure I'd blame her. 19:06:35 i can't commit the fix without understanding what's really going on, will comment on the bug ticket 19:08:41 nyef: do you have a non-x86 box around? I'm wondering what (defun foo(x y) (= x y)) (foo 42 t) looks like over there 19:09:05 Yeah, let me plug it back in and reset the system clock. 19:09:17 i have mips on qemu 19:11:25 My G5 is booting now. 19:11:34 My test is http://paste.lisp.org/display/137181 19:11:39 The more answers the merrier, I'm sure. 19:12:26 It works on x86 and x86-64. I could just disable it elsewhere, but I'd rather adapt it to other platforms if it's reasonable. 19:13:55 so, what do you mean by "what it looks like"? 19:14:09 it's "Argument Y is not a NUMBER: T" 19:14:36 ah, see your paste just now 19:15:04 Just copy the paste body and drop it into a REPL? 19:15:36 Hrm. *p* is unbound. 19:15:39 just copy/pasting a backtrace would be more helpful 19:16:10 backtrace with a predicate like =, and another with a regular function like + 19:17:45 i have 1.0.23 only 19:18:25 shouldn't matter. 19:18:47 http://paste.lisp.org/display/137181#1 19:19:32 And #2 19:19:42 nice, thanks. 19:20:18 stassats: Why only 1.0.23 for MIPS? 19:20:34 couldn't you do (find-symbol (format nil "TWO-ARG-~A" fun) "SB-KERNEL") instead of (find-symbol (format nil "TWO-ARG-~A" fun) (find-package "SB-KERNEL"))? 19:20:42 nyef: because that's what you can download 19:21:05 stassats: Ah, right. The mystery "how on earth did this get built" version. 19:21:27 I'll be very interested if you can REBUILD 1.0.23 from that. (-: 19:21:40 i got it for testing big-endian code 19:21:57 stassats: sure. 19:22:06 it doesn't have to be new 19:22:10 (The fix is long since in, FWIW, current versions should build more-or-less okay, though I suspect that sb-posix may fail its tests.) 19:22:39 ... Fail its tests, or just plain fail to build. But it's "just" a contrib... 19:22:52 i can't even run 1.0.42 on the laptop anymore 19:23:13 because of linux-3.8, vs previously it was linux-3.2.0 19:23:35 at least something can run old sbcl's 19:25:31 debian still has a 1.0.40 package, debootstrap should make that work. 19:26:27 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:26:59 it's 1.0.57 in unstable 19:27:23 One thing that concerns me is that I've been having trouble finding a MIPS system running a relatively recent kernel. They all seem to be 2.4 and earlier. 19:27:43 Another thing is finding a system that clocks at a decent speed and has a decent amount of RAM. 19:27:51 qemu! 19:28:06 stassats: 1.1.6-2 in experimental. I just wanted to note that old versions are available for testing, too. 19:28:40 nyef: lots of home routers are MIPS IIRC, but they won't be able to run SBCL .... with 2MB RAM. 19:28:52 1.0.40 is oldstable? 19:29:05 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:08 stassats: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sbcl 19:29:14 squeeze, yes. 19:29:48 unstable now has 3.8 for kernel version 19:29:53 flip214: I have a Linksys E3000 running something or other (I think it's DD-WRT, but it's been a while), and have an external disk to use as a chroot. 19:30:08 It takes something like half a day to build SBCL on it. 19:30:13 nyef: but it still only has 2 or 4 MB RAM, right? 19:30:21 I forget. 19:30:40 i would expect 128-256 19:30:43 LD_PRELOAD should let old sbcls work on new kernels 19:31:11 ... And I also seem to forget what the administrator account name and password are. 19:31:16 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:31:23 wikipedia says 64MB. 19:31:25 Hopefully they're in my notes somewhere. 19:31:36 nyef: should have a factory reset button 19:31:53 But it's already set up, configured, and doing my local routing! I don't want to mess with it. 19:32:00 Krystof: I guess it would be easier to use an old kernel, matching glibc, and qemu/kvm etc. 19:32:17 easier? 19:33:41 old SBCL might need old libm, libcrypto, etc. libraries, too. which might require an old glibc ... which might need an old kernel. 19:34:21 if i want sbcl that old, i can run cmucl 19:35:41 ... I'd rather have SBCL that old than CMUCL. Have you SEEN the CMUCL source? 19:36:08 I went poking through the garbage collectors there. Not fun. 19:36:25 Interesting historical perspective, but not fun. 19:37:32 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:42 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:37:58 i usually use old sbcl to see if it's a new bug or from the dark ages 19:38:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:50:48 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:53:07 right 19:54:02 I have a 1.1.7 for unstable here not sure why I didn't upload it yet 19:54:10 ah 19:54:23 right texinfo stuff 19:55:13 I could build MIPSen as well again if there's someone at least helping with bugs there :-> 20:03:54 Aren't the only current bugs with the MIPS build the problem with one of the fields in struct stat in sb-posix? 20:04:09 ... I think I switched from the plural to the singular there... 20:04:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:06 I mean, sure, the test suite probably reports a whole host of things, but the test suite is known to be semi-bogus with regards to actual failure causes. 20:05:40 (Especially when it comes to dynamic-extent allocation.) 20:10:01 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:11:56 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 20:25:41 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 20:25:57 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has joined #sbcl 20:37:06 davazp [~user@178.167.226.146.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 20:50:49 (gethash (dpb (char-code #\e) (byte 21 21) (char-code #\combining_acute_accent)) sb-impl::**character-primary-compositions**) 20:51:02 -> #\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_E_WITH_ACUTE, T 20:51:08 "woot" 20:51:37 (when I said "stupidest possible" I sort-of meant it. Clever scheme (and I do have one) comes after passing tests) 20:52:46 I'm just fixing old bugs... if no one commits in the next ~1.5h, I won't have to rebase a half-dozen commits (: 20:53:32 I'm nowhere near committing, fear not 20:53:38 in fact I am closer to going to sleep 20:53:44 nyef: well part of the "problenm" is that I can't reliably fix mips problems and I'm not sure I can find anyone who can and will if there's need 20:53:57 *stassats* neither 20:54:41 and people have been reporting hard bugs in the past on MIPSen 20:56:31 pkhuong: I'll hold my current queue of gencgc changes for a little longer. 20:59:10 christoph4: I've long been wanting to sit down and bring the MIPS backend up to scratch, but I don't think that it'll happen this year. I have managed to fix a number of nasty bugs that affected the MIPS port over the years, but not many of them would have been directly MIPS-specific. 21:01:43 (Directly MIPS specific: Utterly stupid error with the LRA calculation in mips-assem.S. Not MIPS specific: The any port that claimed to support stack-allocatable-vectors would happily allocate unboxed vectors to the control stack, which could confuse GC on non-x86oids, and the only port actually affected at the time was MIPS.) 21:02:00 s/The any/Any/ 21:04:50 nyef: thanks 21:16:42 muggli [~user@68.166.118.234] has joined #sbcl 21:25:53 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:32:15 pkhuong: Actually, to be fair, I'm probably not going to commit this gencgc stuff until tomorrow at the earliest, and maybe more like Monday. 21:33:14 and I have strict orders to be somewhere else by 7 ;) 21:35:20 -!- kanru [~kanru@66.207.208.98] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:42:55 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:35 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 22:00:13 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-52-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:03:04 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 22:04:43 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:16:46 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-64-87.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:18:13 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:23:48 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:21 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 22:38:59 drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-198-228-193-175.mycingular.net] has joined #sbcl 22:47:36 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 22:51:32 Bike [~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 23:06:10 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-198-228-193-175.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:06 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:52:23 ASau` [~user@p4FF96377.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 23:53:52 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EB81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]