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11:19:49 "Paul Khuong 2011-08-03 Fix version string parsing for Linux 3.0" 11:20:34 looks like i can't use 1.0.42 for building anymore..., it was a good way to filter old/new bugs 11:29:35 minion: memo for nyef: on a beaglebone, I find myself having to replace "bl reg_R8" with "blx reg_R8". Thoughts? is bit[0] of R8 0 at this point? 11:29:35 Remembered. I'll tell nyef when he/she/it next speaks. 11:31:14 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #sbcl 11:36:01 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 11:54:06 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:57:21 do we need things like (declaim (ftype (function (descriptor) gspace) descriptor-intuit-gspace)) in genesis.lisp? 11:59:15 I doubt it 11:59:57 davazp [~user@31.200.157.15] has joined #sbcl 12:01:24 though, that's not what trips up ccl 12:05:09 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #sbcl 12:06:34 lots of "conflicting type declarations" from ccl 12:07:56 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 12:08:36 oh, looks like it's fixed in the current ccl, ok then 12:09:33 back to removing tumors from sb-loop 12:19:34 i just forgot to remove the eval-when, it still doesn't work in ccl 12:19:36 -!- ivan``_ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:47 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:20:56 and it exits the debugger immediately 12:27:01 ivan`` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #sbcl 12:53:47 no more loop code size estimation! i hope nobody is too attached to it 12:54:31 Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #sbcl 13:02:05 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 13:02:07 -!- Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-5.lightwire.co.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:21:46 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-176-137.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 13:25:52 drmeister1 [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 13:31:45 -!- kanru [~kanru@173.243.46.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36:23 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.157.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:37 wait, in the loop defmacro?? 13:39:21 What the heck? Why was there code size estimation in a macroexpander? That's so broken. 13:39:38 welcome to the 80s! 13:40:54 foom: 30 years from now somebody will say that about the code you wrote yesterday :D 13:41:47 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:42:07 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-244-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 13:43:03 foom: it kind of makes sense to me to have that (duplicate-or-not) in the DSL rather than hoping the general purpose compiler gets it right. 13:43:49 pkhuong: but code size estimation is not possible to do anywhere close to correctly with a macro. 13:44:00 yup. 13:44:57 kanru [~kanru@66.207.208.98] has joined #sbcl 13:45:49 maybe calling functions was expensive back then 13:49:53 pkhuong: re yesterday's conversation: that's not what my host-alieneval.lisp:669 says...? 13:50:16 an optimization tip: if you have a (loop for y = step for x = init then step ...), (loop for x = init then step for y = step ...) is better 13:50:59 or was that a suggestion for what to replace it with? 13:51:16 err, writing loop on one line confuses me 13:51:24 foom: right, a hotpatch. 13:51:34 I'll commit that bit hopefully today 13:52:08 in short: put for var = ... then ... before for var = ... 13:52:32 pkhuong: aha, okay, that makes sense. 13:53:10 how come it works for integer, though, which doesn't seem to have that code? 13:53:33 oh, that big comment up there 13:53:37 sorry about the opacity. I was replying while waiting for real work. 13:53:52 davazp [~user@31.200.175.42] has joined #sbcl 13:54:07 what loop could do for optimizations is check for forms to be CONSTANTP, or then it can move them freely, except when they refer to each other 13:54:14 s/or// 13:58:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.4.16] has joined #sbcl 13:58:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.4.16] has quit [Changing host] 13:58:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 13:59:20 ccl, abcl, ecl are affected by this estimate-code-size throw too 13:59:41 Okay, it's all making sense to me now. :) So I guess a good real solution is for there to be a target-specific function for cutting return values, which on x86/x86-64 does sign/zero extension, and on other archs does nothing. 13:59:58 presumably the same issue effects enum, too. 14:00:59 I think we should generate naturalisation code that implicitly disregards high bits. 14:06:15 It looks like enum is missing the ability to specify other-than-32-bit widths. That must be why our codebase never uses it. :p 14:16:10 foom: fixable (: 14:18:41 leoc [~leoc.git@p4FF7A22C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 14:32:12 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host183-239-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:32:57 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 14:33:10 G'morning all. 14:33:10 nyef, memo from Krystof: on a beaglebone, I find myself having to replace "bl reg_R8" with "blx reg_R8". Thoughts? is bit[0] of R8 0 at this point? 14:33:55 Krystof: Hrm. This in call_into_lisp? 14:35:19 Posterdati [~antani@host183-239-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #sbcl 14:37:12 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 14:44:41 Krystof: Is this in call_into_c? I never got that working. 14:45:14 R8, bit[0] should be zero, as we're pretending that it's a FIXNUM because we're out of unboxed registers. 14:46:27 If the runtime is built as Thumb code then we have to sort out linkage-table and use whatever option it is for running all of the runtime symbols via the linkage table. 14:49:22 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-25-116.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 14:50:22 -!- p_l|omoikane [~pl@81-18-213-39.static.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56:33 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-176-137.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 14:59:34 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-176-137.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:01:01 easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 15:13:18 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 15:21:53 -!- nicdev` is now known as nicdev 15:33:43 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p4FF7A22C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:59 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:46:00 -!- scymtym_ [~user@89.31.118.161] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:59:09 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 16:21:42 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.175.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:25:57 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has joined #sbcl 16:41:25 nyef: I don't really pretend to understand the strategy, nor do I really understand the architecture yet. I just wanted it to link :-) 16:42:45 so, what to do with (%other-pointer-p "acc") not working, because %other-pointer-p VOP can't translate constants? 16:43:01 defining a stub is easy, but besides that? 16:43:13 constant-fold? 16:43:50 that would require a stub, right? 16:44:05 Shouldn't there be an SC-restriction that causes the compiler to box it? 16:44:23 And no, constant-folding would take the SC and do something intelligent if it's a "constant SC". 16:44:25 %other-pointer-p is marked as foldable 16:44:46 (... wouldn't it? Suddenly not so sure here.) 16:45:37 Krystof: blx instead of bl shouldn't do any harm, at least, but has more of an implication of supporting interworking, which we explicitly don't support there. 16:45:45 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:45:49 And, again, it's still dead code at this point anyway. (-: 16:46:12 you could define a constant variant of the vop that did the test in the vop generator and generated a move of the appropriate constant (t/nil) to the result 16:46:22 but that'd then be opaque to constraint propagation 16:46:30 adding a stub for %other-pointer-p does constant folds it 16:46:44 i guess it can't fold if there's no function to call 16:46:48 Don't forget to test on non-x86oid systems as necessary. 16:47:31 there's already a whole macrolet with a bunch of predicates 16:48:31 *stassats* isn't inclined to look any further 16:48:33 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:53:45 Okay, got my "NIL is not of type FUNCTIONAL" DELETE-OPTIONAL-DISPATCH failure case down to twelve lines. 16:54:36 At some point I'll dig out my launchpad account information and officially report the bug. (-: 16:57:09 stassats: it's also possible to add %other-pointer-p to the list of functions which should always be translated (i.e. to have an aver if it ends up being a full call) 16:57:41 which list is that? 16:57:50 this is particularly useful during cross-build, to make sure we don't pessimize ourselves 16:58:13 hm. can't remember what it's called (and I'm away from useful computers right now) 16:58:16 it is only ever used in sequence iterators 16:59:15 can you remember at least one function which is included into it? 17:00:23 always-translatable 17:00:49 (that's not the mechanism that I remember but it looks like a good one for this) 17:01:57 but i would still need a stub for constant folding to work? 17:02:09 yes 17:02:31 it's just that constant-folding doesn't work during cross-compilation (no such function exists) 17:02:43 so it's good to assert that we don't actually have any cases which accidentally generate a full call 17:02:56 i see 17:03:21 (sure, we don't have any cases now, but some day someone will integrate sequences into the core and then we'll be sorry) 17:08:26 how many other functions could be marked always-translatable too? 17:11:26 not sure. Probably lots of those type predicates 17:13:43 -!- asedeno [asedeno@nat/google/x-lvipxuqaubqznmxs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:15:21 asedeno [~asedeno@216.239.33.112] has joined #sbcl 17:19:47 About when are we expecting to next head into code freeze? 17:22:48 mid next week 17:23:03 I am going to try and do the stupidest thing possible for unicode composition and get that branch merged in 17:23:21 which, along with project reports and exam marking, makes my next week or so busy 17:24:24 nyef: the thing about bl r8 (as currently exists in call_into_c) is that it doesn't link -- bl (seems to) take a label, not a register 17:24:52 ... Odd, because I'm fairly sure that it builds on my raspberry pi. 17:24:55 and that agrees with the arch documents I've seen, but maybe that is a v7 vs v6 difference? (At the moment I am totally clueless) 17:25:31 anyway. I have reminded myself of how the build process goes :) 17:25:56 Mmm. I'd forgotten, briefly, that make-config has to be run on the target. 17:26:42 sayara_ [~sayara3@82.117.199.26] has joined #sbcl 17:31:21 And, yeah, my archref shows that BL only takes a signed offset, not a register. 17:31:34 But I think my archref might only go up to v5 or v6. 18:04:06 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 18:21:20 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:27:39 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 18:29:17 -!- drmeister1 is now known as drmeister 18:32:12 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:33:11 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:53 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 18:37:57 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:39 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 18:46:24 *pkhuong* doesn't want to reply to the latest bug report 18:51:59 i marked as invalid, somebody may want to write something more expanded 19:15:59 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-89-182.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:19:33 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:19:44 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-89-182.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 19:55:48 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has joined #sbcl 19:55:49 Hrm... 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