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If we're clustering boxed and unboxed pages away from each other, we're very likely to have a large range of empty pages between the two clusters, which would appear as large blocks of zeros in an uncompressed core file. 17:49:39 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 17:50:12 Even now, it might be possible to trigger this sort of scenario. 17:51:22 And aside from the cost of storing all of those zeros in a core file (or compressing them away), they can't be good for the kernel VM system either. 17:51:47 I'm thinking "sparse" core files. Only write out the pages which are actually allocated. 17:58:35 nyef_: if the deallocator sees "N times a 0 byte", it could just skip _writing_ those zeroes ... then it would be "sparse" in memory. 17:58:48 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 17:58:48 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #sbcl 17:58:48 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 17:58:48 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-53-62.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 17:58:48 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c5e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 18:15:15 davazp [~user@178.167.207.169.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 18:16:31 writing the zeroes is already delayed from deallocation time to allocation. (but that's another place where allocating directly to unboxed regions could be useful -- if we're willing to move to a model where no :initial-element means initialize to random garbage rather than 0) 18:18:18 Clustering boxed and unboxed pages would be good to do simply to reduce the number of page table regions, if for no other reason. 18:20:20 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c5e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:20:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-53-62.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:20:21 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:20:22 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:20:22 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:22:06 drmeister1 [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 18:54:31 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.207.169.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11:22 -!- drmeister1 [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:46 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:47 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:18:24 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-78-253.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 19:19:43 Umm... So, my observation had very little to do with the behavior of the GC at runtime, and everything to do with the core file format, SLAD, and coreparse. 19:21:55 nyef_: yeah, we might add multiple core directory entries. That'd make sense. 19:22:22 not that mmapping zeros in is *that* bad 19:22:46 drmeister1 [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:23:05 It's wasteful to map them in, it's wasteful to write them out, and it's a really weird tradeoff if we're compressing the core file. 19:24:29 Wouldn't multiple core directory entries run the risk of running out of space for directory entries if the heap address space is too fragmented? 19:26:34 true. but wouldn't it be better to remove that restriction than to add a subdirectory format? 19:27:22 We're already storing information about which pages have data, why not use it? 19:32:05 It's almost too bad that substantial improvements to gencgc don't qualify for Lisp in Summer Projects... 19:33:33 Although, if allocated code objects don't move, and we stick a couple of the critical tables into static space, it would be almost "safe" to write a GC in Lisp itself. 19:33:55 At the same time, badly out-of-scope for SBCL, though. (-: 19:35:03 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.154.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45:33 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 19:48:31 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.173.18.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:20 Heh. "I think this'd work just as well, but without the assertions. -dan 2004.01.01" 19:50:08 gencgc.c, line 2271-2272. It wouldn't work. 19:58:51 ASau [~user@p5797F7E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 20:22:10 Out of nine fields in struct page, ONE has an actual explanation of what it's for rather than simply a description of its contents and some constraints about its values. 20:28:36 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 20:28:37 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c5e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 20:28:37 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 21:05:31 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c5e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:00 And scavenge_newspace_generation_one_scan() will happily walk off the end of the page table under certain circumstances. 21:24:15 page.region_start_offset and page_region_start() are misleadingly named, as they imply more of a connection with alloc_region than is actually the case. Can we call it "scan_start_offset" and "page_scan_start()" or something along those lines instead? 21:34:46 -!- drmeister1 [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:58 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-201-210.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 21:58:22 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-78-253.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:58:24 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 22:07:37 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:15:58 davazp [~user@92.251.152.1.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 22:16:12 -!- kanru [~kanru@66.207.208.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:51 drmeister1 [~drmeister@166.137.107.157] has joined #sbcl 22:24:24 akovalenko [~user@195.18.46.21] has joined #sbcl 22:31:31 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35:41 *nyef_* sighs. 22:36:15 scavenge_generations() is subject to the same boundary screw that scavenge_newspace_generation_one_scan() has. 22:37:02 About the only way to save this situation is if find_freeish_pages() won't allocate any region that includes the last page in the table. 22:37:33 And I have absolutely no faith that that would be the case, and if it were then it should be mentioned wherever it's relied upon. 22:38:57 verify_generation, same boundary screw. 22:47:30 -!- drmeister1 [~drmeister@166.137.107.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:25 cmg 22:49:39 whoops. -_- 22:50:17 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-216-99.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 22:50:22 -!- Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-216-99.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:50:36 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-216-99.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 22:51:31 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-201-210.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:51:35 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 22:53:52 redline6561: I'd like to report a bug with the famiclom new-ppu branch, by the way. My name is "Alastair", not "Alistair". 22:54:08 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56:19 (It's also not "all-star". Took years to figure out why one of the staff at school was pronouncing my name so oddly.) 22:56:58 Haha. Duly noted. I'll fix it. :) 22:59:39 kanru [~kanru@173.243.46.194] has joined #sbcl 23:03:06 I'm considering trying to write an SMS emulator in Lisp. Especially since I discovered that my 42-inch "cinema 3d" panel can turn a 1080p output with a horizontal or vertical split into a 3d image, one half to each eye, and how dead simple the SMS 3D glasses were when it comes to interfacing. 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