00:09:08 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 00:16:43 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:19:07 -!- TuckerD [~tucker@c-98-216-148-67.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:13 LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has joined #sbcl 02:33:21 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #sbcl 02:35:03 recursor94 [~user@2620:91:0:163:f443:4cdd:1081:177] has joined #sbcl 02:35:31 (format t "hello") 02:35:48 So, is there a bot that can evaluate lisp expressions on this channel? 02:36:02 nope 02:36:32 Ah, I ask because there is a bot on the clojure irc that can. :P 02:36:42 What can the bot on this channel do? 02:36:50 minion: help 02:36:51 There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms". 02:37:03 Bike: Thanks! 02:37:20 the most common functions are probably those of specbot. 02:37:22 clhs function/s 02:37:22 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_fn.htm 02:42:19 -!- recursor94 [~user@2620:91:0:163:f443:4cdd:1081:177] has left #sbcl 03:10:09 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:23 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:02:49 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 04:08:16 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:11:54 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:14:26 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 04:23:54 EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has joined #sbcl 04:24:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.102] has joined #sbcl 04:24:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.102] has quit [Changing host] 04:24:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 04:45:48 -!- EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:43:48 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:49:37 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #sbcl 05:58:07 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:58:35 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:24 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 06:01:49 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 06:08:27 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:10:14 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 06:13:24 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 06:13:55 Bike_ [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 06:14:05 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:25 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 06:24:53 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29:37 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012b1a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 06:49:05 robgssp [~user@2620:8d:8000:e50:21c:c0ff:fea3:7cc5] has joined #sbcl 07:00:52 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 07:01:12 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 07:08:26 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: this computer sucks] 07:16:19 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 07:16:48 Munksgaard [~philip@192.38.109.188] has joined #sbcl 07:30:58 leoc [~leoc.git@p5480A99A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 07:34:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:35:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.102] has joined #sbcl 07:35:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.102] has quit [Changing host] 07:35:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 07:43:46 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.226] has joined #sbcl 07:48:45 -!- loke [~loke@203.127.16.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:55 loke [~loke@203.127.16.194] has joined #sbcl 07:57:10 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 07:57:33 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #sbcl 08:01:07 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:20:26 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:30:03 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:49:38 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #sbcl 09:14:09 GSoC 2013 student application period is now open. 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Now what? /extreme noob 20:19:08 ( git format-patch master to be specific ) 20:22:42 -!- sdemarre [~serge@9.164-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:27:56 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:30:53 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.183.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:05 ejbs: Please send the patch to the sbcl-devel mailing list, probably best as an attachment so that the mailer won't alter it inadvertently. It won't be applied immediately as we are in pre-release freeze, so please be patient. 20:41:25 leuler: Gosh, I have no experience of using mailing lists... This may take a while. 21:10:24 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:14:35 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 21:16:13 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #sbcl 21:24:55 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #sbcl 21:29:41 davazp [~user@31.200.183.215] has joined #sbcl 21:37:43 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p5480A99A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:38:10 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 21:40:47 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:58 -!- leuler [~user@p548FA198.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:53:20 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 21:53:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:42 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012b1a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:02 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:01:59 is there a reason to use MOV RSP, RBP POP RBP instead of LEAVE? 22:03:35 LEAVE is a pretty slow microcoded instruction on a lot of recent CPUs, I think? it's not as bad as ENTER but I think it's slower than those two instructions 22:04:32 it says heeree.... 3 uops, 7 cycle inverse throughput on sandy bridge? it doesn't list a latency... 22:06:46 it see no measurable difference 22:07:43 in a simple-minded test 22:07:53 I think it's still fast on some CPUs though... agner kind of leaves it a little bit vague here 22:07:56 stassats: uarch dependent. It used to be very slow, now it depends. 22:08:08 it looks like core 2 is fast, atom is slowish, saandy bridge is slowish, bulldozer is fastish... 22:08:12 so it's kind of all over the place 22:08:13 i'm on SB 22:11:21 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.84.33] has joined #sbcl 22:11:33 *Fiora* looks and looks and loooooks 22:11:41 Intel's manual says "Assembly/Compiler Coding Rule 31. (M impact, M generality) Avoid using complex instructions (for example, enter, leave, or loop) that have more than four µops and require multiple cycles to decode. Use sequences of simple instructions instead." 22:12:03 I don't know how general that is though >_< it might only apply to some intel uarches 22:12:33 nice of them to give you these abstract instructions and then tell you not to use them 22:12:49 Fiora: I think I have a version that says to use ENTER/LEAVE if I$ is at a premium. 22:13:02 rule 19 says not to use leave/enter on Atom 22:14:02 Bike: in total fairness to them, it's from the 186... XD 22:14:02 and i should update my manuals 22:14:23 Bike: if only BOUND was efficient. 22:14:28 pkhuong: that makes sense. LEAVE is really tiny... though I guess the tradeoff might be worse with ENTER. it seems to be like a dozen uops on everything 22:14:33 while LEAVE is usually like 3 or 4 22:15:00 I didn't even know there'd /been/ a 186 22:15:09 it says here ENTER is 12 uops for "ENTER a,0", and for "ENTER a,b" it's 49+6b uops 22:15:24 that's. um. a lot of uops 22:16:58 *stassats* tries to figure for what XLAT can be used 22:17:02 -!- p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:17:10 that's the lookup table one, I think? 22:17:15 yep 22:17:32 I remember that one feels like it was mostly obsoleted by the x86_32 addressing modes 22:17:57 p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has joined #sbcl 22:18:10 and geez, the hardcoded-register instructions are always frustrating to use 22:18:45 stassats: extra instruction space, I think (: 22:19:00 it's great for writing 256-byte demos? XD 22:20:28 does anyone have a moment to tell me if I did something useful and correct in this patch? http://paste.lisp.org/display/136844 22:20:46 it seems to pass all tests 22:22:08 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:29 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 22:22:41 fisxoj: nope. 22:24:29 intel should totally throw out all the old compatibility instructions and put some Lispy instructions instead 22:25:37 fisxoj: you can use WITH-UNIQUE-NAMES, especially when you need more than one gensym 22:25:52 I don't think that much of the opcode map is used up by those with x86_64? like there's still some, but, there's a ton of room for new instructions with the VEX prefixes 22:26:08 which is probably why AMD and Intel are like throwing things in there all over the place now 22:26:18 but they consume some silicon, don't they? 22:26:34 I think the old instructions basically all get put into microcode? 22:26:40 (like things like leave, enter, etc) 22:26:55 which uses a little tiny bit of space on the die for the ROM but it's probably not much, I think? 22:28:03 and tagging, tagging would be nice 22:28:38 http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Jaguar-AMD-s-First-28nm-APU-a-Response-to-Intel-Atom-Low-Power-CPUs-3.jpg?1361356605 oh cool here's like an actual core layout 22:28:43 scymtym, thanks, I hadn't encountered that one 22:28:52 fisxoj: np 22:28:53 maybe that's what AMD should do to avoid bankruptcy: better lisp support 22:34:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.84.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:48 if I think I fixed a fixme in the code, should I just create a bug on launchpad? 22:49:39 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.183.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:53:08 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:55:21 davazp [~user@92.251.163.132.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 23:00:13 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:07 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:07:58 lp 308926 23:07:58 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308926 23:09:42 -!- EvilTosha [~eviltosha@188.134.74.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:11:55 -!- p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:12:36 p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has joined #sbcl 23:17:48 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.163.132.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:19:51 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:21:51 davazp [~user@92.251.163.132.threembb.ie] has joined #sbcl 23:23:22 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:48:05 ASau` [~user@p5797F5A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 23:51:42 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F52C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:53:01 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.163.132.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]