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#sbcl 13:21:27 dknight [~amitav@61.12.98.226] has joined #sbcl 13:27:33 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 13:30:29 arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has joined #sbcl 13:36:03 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 13:43:33 Hello. I saw a blog post about starting to hack in sbcl from which I learned that SBCL got selected in GSOC this year. A delight indeed. Well I am an ex-GSOCer and I want to work on some SBCL project if someone is willing to guide me. I am no more a student so my time is mostly consumed by my job. However, I think I can find some time to do some development. Recently I started learning some LISP from the book "Land of Lisp". I am an Emacs user and have a little 13:51:06 kanru` [~kanru@104.Red-79-159-200.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #sbcl 13:54:34 have any projects been taken up by any willing students yet? 13:56:22 I am interested in taking up the project titled 'stronger hash functions and specialised hash tables'. 13:59:01 I don't think I've seen anyone express interest for that one yet 14:01:16 AFAIK, GSoC candidates have been interested in (so far): quick compilation, pluggable (p)rng, register allocation, division by constants, and there's a couple who were undecided between a half-dozen ideas. 14:01:34 pkhuong: okay cool 14:02:38 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:13 pkhuong: well since my work is not about getting paid by Google, I would like to see it merged into SBCL as the end result. so I would just like to get to know my mentor so that I can start getting some ideas on the subject and we can start scheduling discussions and all. 14:04:15 I'd consider a project to be at least a partial failure if it nothing was merged in by the end of summer 14:04:28 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 14:04:57 pkhuong: I would agree 14:05:09 I don't have too much time for mentorship, so I'd give priority to any GSoC student. 14:05:28 pkhuong: yes I understand that. 14:06:35 pkhuong: well I want work on it but my mentor has to guide me on the project. If anyone is willing to do that, it should be fine with me. 14:06:40 you can just ask questions here or on sbcl-devel if it's longer I'll see about writing up how I'd approach the task tonight. 14:06:52 pkhuong: also my task may not be as time bound as GSoC. 14:08:08 pkhuong: sure, if you can give a more detailed description, I can start with that and will ask more specific questions as I proceed. 14:09:22 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:07 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 14:13:07 dknight: Another option might be to team up with a "SBCL hacker buddy". I don't have much time for open source work, but I'd be more motivated if working with someone else. 14:13:22 Others might feel the same way. 14:13:43 reb: sure 14:13:55 psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 14:13:56 anyone interested in that is also fine with me. 14:15:27 macdice [~user@46-65-10-191.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #sbcl 14:15:44 reb: if you are interested in the task I mentioned above, we can work together. 14:16:13 hi, when i run "INSTALL_ROOT=something sh make.sh" and then "INSTALL_ROOT=something sh install.sh" on a fresh git pull, I get "cp: cannot stat `doc/manual/*.info': No such file or directory 14:16:21 " and some more lines like it 14:16:47 what could i be doing wrong? 14:16:50 macdice: yes, that's because you haven't built the docs. If you don't need the manual, you can ignore these lines. 14:17:26 I have some interest in hash functions ... I translated a couple into Lisp ... city-hash and sip-hash on github. My email is there. 14:19:01 thanks, i guess that must be not the cause of my other problem then: that the installed sbcl binary tries to look for sbcl.core in the wrong place, at /usr/local/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core 14:19:27 macdice: you haven't set SBCL_HOME 14:19:53 thanks, that sounds like the ticket 14:20:01 amitav [~amitav@61.12.98.226] has joined #sbcl 14:20:07 -!- kanru` [~kanru@104.Red-79-159-200.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:21:46 I just install sbcl with a shell script wrapper that does basically SBCL_HOME=$(dirname $(realpath $0))/lib/sbcl $(dirname $(realpath $0))/bin/sbcl "$@" 14:23:13 -!- dknight [~amitav@61.12.98.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:41 -!- amitav is now known as dknight 14:34:24 foom: you can simply symlink run-sbcl.sh to ~/bin/sbcl 14:37:00 that script is a whole lot longer. :) 14:37:33 Also, it operates on a checkout's layout, not an install's layout. 14:40:12 that's right 14:40:17 why install it at all ? 14:41:23 for distribution 14:42:18 my problem was solved by using --prefix, rather than setting INSTALL_ROOT. i think i confused some of the binary distribution documentation with the source distribution documentation in INSTALL. i tried again with my eyelids fully open. thanks 14:45:56 when i did it that way, i can see that the full path to sbcl.core (ie my custom install path) has been baked into the sbcl executable, so that SBCL_HOME doesn't need to be explicitly set, and no wrapper script is needed 14:46:23 yea. I like my install to be relocatable. 14:50:23 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:38 speaking of "how to build stuff", what do you guys think of this approach to software deployment: using save-lisp-and-type to make stand-alone executables, then packaging up with debian packaging tools along with init.d start/stop scripts, to install onto production machines using .deb files 14:52:16 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #sbcl 14:52:40 save-lisp-and-die, you mean 14:52:51 yes, that sounds quite a reasonable idea. 14:52:52 having output redirected to a log file, and (maybe?) leaving slime listening on a socket. and installing a unix signal handler in lisp code to request shutdown 14:52:56 yeah save-lisp-and-die 14:52:58 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-38.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:53:16 s/slime/swank/ 14:53:46 really you should replace sysvinit with systemd and install a unit file instead of an init.d file, but other than that, sounds great. :) 14:53:49 probably want to disable debugger and all. 14:55:54 i would quite like to have a kind of foo_ctl command from the shell that can be used to activte/deactive things, change logging level etc, and possibly request shutdown. is there anything pre-existing? 14:56:14 of course i can do something based on swank, or make my own listener with a unix domain socket or whatever 14:56:32 but i wondered if there is an established library for that 14:56:37 (maybe that is a better question for 14:56:43 sb-daemon might have some of what you're looking for 14:56:45 #lisp than #sbcl) 14:56:56 hmm. sounds promising, will take a look, thanks 14:57:33 macdice: You can use swank-client to send expressions to a server that's running a background swank server. 14:58:46 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 14:59:22 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:28 -!- reb 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23:10:54 see no reason no to, (disassemble (lambda () (make-symbol "F"))) is the same as with %make-symbol present 23:11:05 not going to run them now, though 23:11:31 i think the symbol allocation is now derived from objdef.lisp 23:19:31 so, looks like it was copied from x86 alloc.lisp, but x86 alloc.lisp doesn't have it anymore 23:19:37 it was removed on 7a896fb715ceac43581a9a3835418e615002f9ec 23:20:47 and that was before x86-64 port got merged 23:20:57 so, it got copied when it was there, then it was left out 23:21:14 to hunt me almost nine years later 23:23:14 and the definition even uses 32-bit masks 23:23:33 so, it was never invoked in those 9 years 23:24:01 a monument to humankind's folly 23:24:47 the question is, how much does it reduce the core size 23:25:47 doesn't at all, at least for uncompressed cores 23:26:44 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 23:26:57 i can remove another artifact, unsigned long fast_random_state = 1; 23:27:17 probably 23:34:56 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:35:26 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:40:46 yes, and the runtime size decreased 82 bytes 23:47:51 *stassats* makes a completely negative commit 23:52:36 there's the same story with make-value-cell (except for the porting bit) 23:58:08 not exactly, when used with load-time-value, define-primitive-object is used, for closures, the vop is used