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(i'm kidding) 09:53:37 no problem :) 09:53:56 and, wrong channel 10:58:14 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-4d0112b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 10:58:59 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:16 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75fa87.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:03 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 11:26:11 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:17 -!- sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:13:43 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:26:03 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 12:53:58 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 13:29:32 sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #sbcl 13:54:31 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 14:06:51 lmj` [~lmj`@c-71-192-48-160.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 14:10:35 What is the downside of releasing 1.1.7 now, which would be comprised of 1.1.6 + pkhuong's fix? I half expected 1.1.7 to appear hours after the fix. 14:11:03 Maybe too late now. 14:11:32 I noticed some reports that maxima doesn't build. 14:24:25 well, the problem is not significant 14:24:35 it's not a silent a corruption of data 14:24:47 it gives an error, right at compile-time 14:38:57 I understand, but what is the downside? 14:41:02 how much of the callbacks in cmucl got ported into sbcl already ? 14:44:04 wbooze: what callbacks? 14:44:45 dunno i read a blog of people talking about differences between cmucl and sbcl etc...there it was mentioned.... 14:49:12 <_8david`> read the sbcl internals manual, section "linkage-table" for some history and comparison 14:49:34 ok 15:04:00 -!- pyacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:11:01 -!- akovalen` [~user@95.72.42.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:14:06 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-149-80.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:14:48 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-130-195.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:18:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:19:08 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:37:00 pyacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 15:57:49 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #sbcl 16:01:09 -!- sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:03:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 16:07:49 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.160] has joined #sbcl 16:32:45 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 16:49:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:49:44 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@92.47.218.10] has joined #sbcl 16:49:44 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 16:49:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.218.10] has quit [Changing host] 16:49:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 16:59:35 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:03:37 -!- erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: erikc] 17:16:44 akovalenko [~user@77.51.63.76] has joined #sbcl 17:16:46 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 17:44:31 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 17:48:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:07:39 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 18:12:02 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:13:52 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-61-164.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 18:16:09 i'm wondering what the correct way is to go about helping fix this SBCL crash on 64-bit windows that affects the executables i make with SBCL.EXE. http://pastebin.com/t8Z6W8HK 18:16:13 hello everyone. 18:16:33 dto: no clue, really. 18:17:23 hmm. 18:17:26 zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has joined #sbcl 18:18:12 i recall chatting with someone who was aware of the bug already, but i'm not sure how to help or to go about debugging. 18:25:36 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #sbcl 18:30:03 -!- zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:54 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-210-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 18:30:55 -!- Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-210-217.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:31:12 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-210-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 18:31:41 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-61-164.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:31:46 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 18:37:49 Unless I misunderstand, it looks like this loop is just a ploy to mitigate the symptoms of the race condition. https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/code/typep.lisp#L193 18:38:58 Yes it's racy. 18:39:37 PCL is full of races. Most of them are benign, or at least highly unlikely to spin for a while 18:40:23 I think locking the classoid is a good compromise. It don't think it's sbcl's responsibility to protect against concurrent redefinitions any more than it is responsible for concurrent SETFs. 18:41:23 It always terminates, so there isn't a deadlock (I don't think). 18:41:47 If another thread grabs the classoid, you just wait for that thread to finish. Class hierarchies aren't cyclic. 18:42:31 however, the class hierarchy is mutable. 18:42:53 Right, and that's what I'm saying that sbcl should punt on, like concurrent SETFs. 18:42:58 Not SBCL's responsibility. 18:44:35 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-130-195.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:31 I'm not convinced at the classoid level is deadlock free. I'm even less convinced that it still is when mutations to the class hierarchy come into play. 18:47:47 Well obviously not for mutations ... that's where I'm saying the punt should happen. 18:51:36 pkhuong: I pulled your no-world-lock-pcl but I couldn't get it to compile, even with a contemporaneous sbcl. 18:52:04 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:52:20 is there a particular reason why that stalled? 19:00:45 scymtym_ [~user@ip-178-202-214-83.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #sbcl 19:00:57 -!- scymtym [~user@ip-178-202-214-83.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:55 mine? Really? 19:04:02 mm.. ah yes. 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