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has joined #sbcl 09:29:43 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:35:31 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.96] has joined #sbcl 10:02:30 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 10:03:13 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:59:59 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 11:37:54 to seed the ideas page for my summer of code application: anyone got any short descriptions of student (~ 2-person-month) projects they'd love to do or see done? 11:41:17 I'm working this afternoon. But tonight (Nice time), I'll try to send some stuff to the ML. 11:41:56 oh, you're in Yerp 11:42:06 I'm in Paris late next week and the week after 11:42:20 fancy a coffee? :-) 11:42:45 but yeah, thanks for your message (I was otherwise ready to give up) 11:42:54 So that's how you spell it. I believe it's Yurp over here. 11:44:33 (well, there. montreal). Isn't Paris snowy and all still? I'll see how much the SNCF asks to travel from mostly-rainy Nice to Paris (: 11:44:43 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #sbcl 11:44:52 it probably is still cold and grim 11:46:05 external formats with CR-LF 11:47:42 Maybe I was infected by my time in defending students against uni administration, but I'm hoping we can find projects that'll help people learn more than just how to deal with an huge and old code base. 11:58:33 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@2601:c:3680:1c:6888:1838:478c:1454] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:20 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 12:10:11 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 12:11:41 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:12:08 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 12:13:16 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:13:51 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #sbcl 12:14:42 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:07 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 12:18:25 Krystof: integrating the MPS GC 12:19:27 i'd like to have clos-less streams 12:40:26 by that do you mean "fast streams"? 12:41:35 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:55:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:57:58 jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.193.163.175] has joined #sbcl 13:01:49 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #sbcl 13:07:44 Krystof: aren't ansi streams meant to be fast? by that i mean extensible/programable without being held down by somebody's broken designs like gray streams or so 13:10:37 right, but that's not clos-less, that's not-broken-by-design 13:13:46 i'd like to be able to write a stream as a closure 13:13:59 for example 13:19:28 how would that work ? 13:19:54 it could be plugged into sbcl, maybe wrapped in a struct so that typecases would in stream functions 13:20:29 and that case would simply (apply stream args) of funcall... 13:21:11 ok, what's the goal? 13:21:55 i'd like to write my own streams and use them as a replacement of the current sbcl streams 13:23:42 SBCL streams are just structs; fill the function slots with your own. 13:24:19 more generally, I think it's perhaps ambitious to expect a student to design language extensions over a summer project 13:24:38 implement someone else's mostly-existing design and criticize, maybe 13:25:48 I've never looked at MPS GC, so I don't know if it's realistic. Software write barriers might be realistic. A simpler copying/mark-and-sweep gc seems very much OK to me too. 13:25:58 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:04 pkhuong: but if it was a closure, it would just work, with current state i have to write too much sbcl specific low level code 13:26:32 right, because using a closure directly as a stream would be awesomely portable, never mind really nice for type safety. 13:27:18 I suspect that it is already possible to define subclasses of stream and funcallable-standard-object simultaneously 13:27:41 the remainder involves defining a suitable protocol and writing in the hooks 13:27:49 ("defining a suitable protocol" is probably the hard bit) 13:28:31 pkhuong: we're only talking about integrating it, not writing one from scratch 13:29:14 fe[nl]ix: integrating a huge sparsely documented beast or a design that doesn't fit well with our own peculiar requirements isn't easy. 13:29:35 "simpler" is in comparison to our 7-generation gencgc. 13:30:41 pkhuong: not sure what do you mean, i said it could be wrapped in a struct or so to distinguish the special type. as for portability, the biggest unportability is depending on implementation specific ideas about streams which are mostly weird abstractions. on the lowest level though there are just a few syscalls... 13:31:12 let's see a design 13:31:24 let's see how it differs from ansi-stream. 13:31:30 (I don't see how making something a closure makes it "just work") 13:32:40 ok now i need to deliver :-D 13:33:42 closure would make it "just work" in the sense that there wouldnt be any implementation specific slots to mess with 13:36:16 pkhuong: re: MPS  drop them an email with whatever questions you have  they're more than happy to talk. 13:36:53 pkhuong: I exchange emails with them on a frequent / regular basis (not just about MPS itself) 13:38:08 pkhuong: and they have pretty nice documentation now that is part of the any-day-now next 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the connection] 18:48:00 jsnell: if I'm to submit an application for GSoC 2013 with you as "backup administrator", I need you to make an account on Google Melange 18:48:49 http://www.google-melange.com 18:52:53 ASau [~user@46.115.87.255] has joined #sbcl 19:00:59 does it need an explicit account? looks like I could just log in using a normal gmail account 19:09:43 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@2601:c:3680:1c:2c6a:e98c:7987:be12] has quit [Quit: danlentz] 19:09:53 (if that's the info you need, jsnell@gmail.com) 19:10:15 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 19:10:43 dioxirane [~polychaos@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #sbcl 19:16:22 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:35 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #sbcl 19:22:04 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 19:24:34 -!- dioxirane [~polychaos@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:24:51 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I half expect them to tell us to go to hell with our ugly hacks (core dumping is... something ;) 19:49:33 dioxirane [~polychaos@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #sbcl 19:54:01 ah, finally found the register button. what a crappy web form that was 19:54:14 Krystof: account made with the predictable username 19:54:37 thanks 19:55:11 I had to hunt for the "I accept that these terms of service that I haven't read can screw me over no problem" 19:56:22 pkhuong: can I suggest http://www.sbcl.org/gsoc2013/ideas/ as a URL for our "ideas page"? 20:05:01 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:07:06 sure. 20:07:15 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:08:48 I assume it'll stop 404ing anytime soon (: 20:09:22 oh, proactivity 20:09:25 let's see what I can do :-) 20:11:19 does that mean I'll have to learn how the website works? 20:11:23 no 20:11:27 sftp is sufficient 20:11:49 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:14:22 that's a yes (: 20:14:27 sf documentation, here I come. 20:15:24 scp /tmp/index.html crhodes@web.sourceforge.net:/home/project-web/sbcl/htdocs/gsoc2013/ideas/ 20:15:30 should be not 404 any more 20:15:56 (is very ugly and almost content-free, but...) 20:19:00 tell me when I should stop scping new versions over 20:22:01 not for a while 20:25:58 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27:36 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:51 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 20:29:52 -!- Jini [~pidgin@195.112.102.205] has left #sbcl 20:32:52 ok, that's one project idea written up 20:33:02 back to the web form of doom 20:40:58 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #sbcl 21:07:31 -!- dioxirane [~polychaos@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has left #sbcl 21:09:43 jsnell: ok, I've submitted something. I don't know if it's visible to you, or if you care, but if it is and you do it is editable 21:31:06 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 21:35:18 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-248-45.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 21:35:50 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:50 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:02 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 21:36:42 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 21:44:59 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:54:50 sdemarre [~serge@194.81-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #sbcl 21:55:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:04 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #sbcl 22:19:14 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d011a1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:28 _8david` [~user@port-212-202-134-139.static.qsc.de] has joined #sbcl 22:21:12 -!- _8david [~user@port-212-202-134-139.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:22:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@194.81-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:25:54 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:43 Krystof: https://github.com/pkhuong/sbcl-gsoc2013 I don't really care how we work, but I figured that avoiding raw html would be more productive. 22:28:34 So is SBCL doing gsoc? 22:29:04 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:15 Only the Big G knows. 22:52:59 Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.20.49] has joined #sbcl 22:53:27 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.20.49] has left #sbcl 23:14:42 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:26:33 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: eternal darkness] 23:28:30 https://github.com/pkhuong/sbcl-gsoc2013/blob/master/sbcl-projects.org I ran out of steam on actually writing the projects up. 23:40:52 most of them probably don't fit, but I'll try to write a description and filter as I go.