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The GC is fairly well compartimentalised as well. 20:12:33 Nyef's genesis hack seems like it might be borderline realistic. 20:12:54 I don't see any partial step that would give someone a nice visible outcome for ARM or LLVM. 20:14:08 Maybe, but that's a very, very long shot, adapting an existing backend to do nearly everything by calling into C. But even then, the hard part is the one that not even mentioned: getting calling/return conventions right, for instance. 20:15:46 Would reducing core bloat by punting to specialised out-of-line routines be interesting? That would go well with work to reimplement bulk operations with SSE + infrastructure to transparently select the right variant depending on CPUID. 20:15:59 integrating MPS might be doable 20:16:18 yup. GC work seems reasonable to me. 20:18:02 reducing code bloat would be nice -- that's a visible outcome 20:18:13 GC work 20:18:38 refactoring internals to use iolib or some such? 20:18:54 I don't know how hard/uninteresting that would be. 20:20:28 expression-level optimisation should be sumemr RAship stuff. Peephole, same. Depending on their background, representation selection could be improved. Live-range splitting is an option. 20:21:57 aah 20:21:59 good point 20:22:21 I posted a list to sbcl-devel once. 20:22:36 now that Google uses SBCL, funding its development might not be so low on the priority list 20:23:32 oh, O(1) switch-case + using it in standard macros. 20:24:02 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:25:05 The hashing stuff is also modular and could be improved (if only the hash function). 20:25:19 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:25:51 So, the sad thing is all but one of the suggestions I made in 2009 are still relevant. 20:26:19 which suggestions ? 20:26:50 don't even ask me about the ones I made in 2007 :( 20:27:02 still, at least we now have windows threads :) 20:27:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.steel-bank.devel/13639 20:27:33 I don't even know what nyef's genesis hack is 20:27:55 "3. SSE intrinsics are coming to x86-64 soon" Hah. 20:27:56 a maintainable, testable tree-shaker might be a project. 20:28:30 Krystof: that's why I mentioned nyef's genesis thing. It slams a custom core together with our build-time pipeline. 20:59:38 oh, faster fasls, also an option. 21:05:52 sdemarre [~serge@149.115-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #sbcl 21:21:48 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-mjgyaraosnywtaoj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:26:44 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012222.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27:42 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 21:37:12 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-jxzoropvsaghyqhn] has joined #sbcl 21:55:39 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:14 -!- sdemarre [~serge@149.115-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:26:33 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:52 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:14:33 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:20:29 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 23:31:56 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:42:07 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl