00:41:50 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9B755.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:04:28 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:18:44 akovalenko [~user@95.73.123.37] has joined #sbcl 01:44:44 LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has joined #sbcl 02:39:36 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-179.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:26:24 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:31 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: game over] 05:42:18 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:42:30 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #sbcl 06:07:35 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:11:43 pnpuff [~dioxyrane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 07:13:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 07:22:50 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has joined #sbcl 07:42:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:18:46 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 08:18:46 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 08:23:04 pnpuff_ [~dioxyrane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #sbcl 08:26:00 -!- pnpuff [~dioxyrane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:26:42 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 08:28:14 lichtblau: aroundp 08:44:48 around! 08:52:51 lichtblau: in helsinki or berlin? 08:52:54 :) 08:53:36 -!- pnpuff [~dioxyrane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:54:08 if in helsinki, i'm grabbing brunch with hanna in an hour or so at the goodpie bakery, which is right downstairs from us, and a 5 min walk from vaasankatu 08:54:32 ah, oh. No, in that sense I'm not around. Will land 22:00 Helsinki time. 08:54:53 Thank you for thinking of me though, that would have been nice. :-) 08:55:16 ok, another time then. as long as you're in kallio i feel obliged to make sure you try the goodpie brunch at least once :) 08:55:24 Currently still packing various packages to be picked up by UPS. 08:57:08 lichtblau: are you moving? 08:57:08 0.5m^2? 2m^2? :) 08:57:21 also, i could drop by at vaasankatu some point today to pick up a few things from there if that's ok with you. (i can also do it next week when you're around) 09:03:14 sure, absolutely, just do so. 09:03:18 Beware though: I left in a complete hurry, because my alarm clock was on Berlin time (duh! argh!), so I left the place looking like a pig stall. Sorry about that. 09:04:04 hey, you live there, i don't. :) SO not my problem as long as my books are safe... 09:05:01 There reason I asked you on Friday whether you're with the other guys was that I would have brought over your mail. But then I realized that you're at JTA. So that's why your mail is currently hidden on the table amid other papers of mine. It's one letter from ZR, maybe you'll see it. 09:05:09 Also got mail for jsnell. :-) 09:05:24 *The 09:06:16 gotcha 09:07:42 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:07:47 (How do I make the curtains stop exactly at the bottom?! I can make them stop too far up, or completely down, and that's not how it's supposed to be done either... Hope I didn't damage them.) 09:10:18 they're just flaky, IIRC 09:10:18 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #sbcl 09:10:42 | Prohibited items: Personal effects 09:10:53 UPS rules? 09:11:54 yeah, they don't seem to fully understand that we've got a customs union going on here in europe 09:29:37 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 09:37:47 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-163-241.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 09:50:04 oh boy, Lock on package SB-C violated when interning HAIRY-ARG-PROCESSOR while in package SWANK. 09:58:12 and now "no transport function for object 0x042a310f (widetag 0x1)" 10:06:21 wow 10:06:42 hairy-arg-processor is in swank-sprof for pretty printing frame names 10:06:50 that's easy to fix 10:07:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:07:18 and i can give better names for sb-pcl::fast-method 10:08:22 (by just stripping sb-pcl::fast-method) 10:08:56 stassats`: would be nice if sb-sprof followed the new *method-frame-style* 10:09:38 (FLET CALL-NEXT-METHOD :IN "/home/stas/lisp/site/commo, i'd think that :IN is not needed here 10:10:12 is there an easy way to strip this :in? 10:10:35 as in not put it in at all? 10:10:39 or remove it post fact? 10:11:01 just for swank-sprof, you can visit the file by pressing v 10:13:02 IIRC if it appear it's always the third element of a list name 10:13:17 (lambda (a b c) :in ...), etc 10:13:21 sometimes it's a function name, and sometimes a path? 10:14:00 file path is surely not needed for sprof, but the function name for something like (flet call-next-method ...) could be useful 10:14:19 yes 10:14:50 though i don't offhand remember if it's actually the outermost block name or the fname 10:15:23 is in only for flet, labels and lambda? 10:17:32 IIRC 10:24:45 and i guess i should increase the width, because long names are cut off 10:24:48 especially with :in 10:26:42 can there be something else after :in value? 10:27:06 i want to use (let* ((in (member :in name))) (if (stringp (cadr in)) (ldiff name in) name)) 10:30:25 i don't think so. iirc the :IN names are constructed in just one place, so should be easy to check 10:31:37 of course i can use (append name (cddr in)) instead of (ldiff name in), but it's not as pretty 10:33:54 brunch -> 10:33:56 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:35:11 rather, (append (ldiff name in) (cddr in)) 10:36:54 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.73.69] has joined #sbcl 10:36:54 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.73.69] has quit [Changing host] 10:36:54 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 10:56:34 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 10:56:39 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Client Quit] 11:18:28 leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9B755.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 11:26:49 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 11:44:30 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09:49 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #sbcl 12:17:38 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 12:34:31 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has joined #sbcl 13:10:12 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:40:16 LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has joined #sbcl 13:45:10 danlentz [~danlentz@68.37.70.235] has joined #sbcl 13:57:31 Vivitron [~Vivitron@98.110.213.33] has joined #sbcl 14:00:43 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@98.110.213.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:22 Vivitron` [~Vivitron`@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 14:23:41 leoc` [~leoc.git@p57B9AD78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 14:26:41 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9B755.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:33 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has joined #sbcl 14:40:47 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-163-241.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:47:32 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #sbcl 15:03:18 Krystof: are all launchpad bugs newsforthy? 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21:09:13 wait, never mind. 21:10:16 I'd misread the subtraction. 21:10:45 you're indeed off by one. The standard says that epsilon is the smallest value that isn't completely rounded away whena dded to 1. 21:12:43 heh, true 21:14:32 leuler [~user@p548FAA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 21:15:33 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 21:19:29 prxq: double-float-epsilon is defined as the smallest positive double float such that (not (= 1.0d0 (+ 1.0d0 double-float-epsilon))). This works here as expected: 21:19:35 (+ 1.0d0 double-float-epsilon) -> 1.0000000000000002d0 21:19:39 (+ 1.0d0 (scale-float 1.0d0 -53)) -> 1.0d0 21:20:38 it seems to me the standard and some books are not in sync 21:20:49 so, fair enough 21:21:09 (i'm ok with the standard) 21:22:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:23:38 -!- leuler [~user@p548FAA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:27:37 bleh. shall I reimplement rasmussen's cg in CL, or not? :\ 21:28:48 what's that? 21:30:59 a conjugate gradient method. All I have is a huge while loop in matlab. That's where my arithmetic brain cells are currently occupied (: 21:31:58 a nonlinear cg? 21:32:10 i.e. a cg for nonlinear minimization? 21:33:41 yeah, I found it. Why not use l-bfgs or something on those lines? 21:36:28 My function is simple: c'x + sum log(Ax+b) (+ scaling parameters), but A is huge and sparse. Hopefully CG is simple, but not too simple. 21:37:46 -!- leoc` [~leoc.git@p57B9AD78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:38:49 leoc` [~leoc.git@p57AA6278.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 21:41:05 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:19 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 21:44:01 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:54:28 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:07 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30:06 -!- leoc` [~leoc.git@p57AA6278.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:34:12 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:20 Fare [~fare@109.106.94.146] has joined #sbcl 22:56:11 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #sbcl 23:13:55 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:19:08 https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1114689 23:24:57 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #sbcl 23:33:06 -!- Fare [~fare@109.106.94.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:35:03 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:36:15 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #sbcl 23:43:23 antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has joined #sbcl 23:43:39 hi 23:43:54 can anyone explain me how sbcl contribus are build? 23:44:33 the contribs seem to be described by ASDF systems, but .fasl files are placed near to the source files 23:44:37 how is that acheaved? 23:44:50 usually ASDF places .fas files into ~/.cache 23:47:34 ah, I found asdf:disable-output-translations 23:53:33 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54:56 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #sbcl