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has joined #sbcl 14:50:49 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #sbcl 14:55:54 <_8david> Mr. Xach, what brings you to #sbcl? 14:56:26 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 14:57:01 I was going to request a change to planet.sbcl.org's CNAME, but I just realized it's not necessary. 14:57:16 I have moved servers and IPs 14:58:57 But I can manage the existing target of the CNAME well enough 15:08:40 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #sbcl 15:10:13 540 Open bugs, that's entirely too much. /me goes to check which of them are stale, especially on the new windows port 15:11:48 levabalkin [~levabalki@89.46.143.44] has joined #sbcl 15:13:28 ha, building on windows turned make into some cycle 15:13:39 entering src/runtime / leaving src/runtime 15:15:13 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-56.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:22:33 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.60.179] has joined #sbcl 15:23:59 Thra11 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https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/498508 no longer reproducible, but i don't know how to mark it, fix released or fix committed? 15:42:44 stassats`: yeah, that looks like a codepath that's been completely re-type-declared. 15:42:48 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 15:43:17 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-047.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: lifeform experiment terminated] 15:43:29 but when? 15:44:27 one moment 15:44:49 <_8david> stassats`: fix released 15:44:57 ok 15:45:21 it would be grand if you knew the exact commit 15:45:49 <_8david> 784b5e28 15:46:12 <_8david> (At least that's my guess, based on the error message.) 15:46:39 looks like 16:01:16 all other os-windows bugs seem to be still present 16:09:49 _8david: looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/657049 was applied, was it not? 16:11:54 in 359c7f002c22bdfebffb87e2a4c23bab7da4b393 16:15:41 marked as released 16:19:48 hi 16:20:18 so are contribs made from clean or not? what happens when the fasl format changes? 16:20:55 ./clean.sh is always run 16:21:02 ok 16:21:39 maybe Xach's issue is only if the source was updated after it was compiled and before it was installed? 16:22:11 which would only matter now and not earlier if the .asd was updated, which is the case with sb-md5? 16:23:06 sb-md5 wasn't updated in a long time 16:23:12 I suppose what I want to know if whether the case that breaks is totally obscure, or if it's frequent and requires a kludge 16:24:18 ok, so the explanation is rather in the dependency to sb-rotate-byte 16:24:36 ASDF used to not propagate dependencies from system to system. Now it does. 16:30:58 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:35:00 _8david: is it possible that this is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/787774 ? 16:35:04 i cannot reproduce it 16:38:11 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40:25 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 16:47:52 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:51:50 looks like the test-case is not reliable, but i still haven't managed to crash it 16:55:28 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.60.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:00:03 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-gfbzzsbqalcuvijt] has joined #sbcl 17:11:50 isn't (or (rational 0) (float 0.0)) the same as (real 0)? 17:13:35 stassats`: in what context? 17:13:44 (defknown sleep ((or (rational 0) (float 0.0))) null) 17:14:52 it should be expanded to the same. 17:15:23 i'm adding (explicit-check), not sure whether it's worth it to also change to (real 0) 17:16:47 and another question is what format to use for such kinds of errors 17:16:57 (random -1) => Argument is neither a positive integer nor a positive float: -1 17:17:11 (sleep -1) => invalid argument to SLEEP: -1 17:17:21 (after adding (explicit-check)) 17:17:39 not a positive real? 17:18:23 that's less ambiguous, i'm more concerned whether it should include the function name or not 17:20:26 is the backtrace always clear? 17:21:05 bah, include the function name, that'll help with backtrace-less bug reports. 17:21:35 well, sleep already includes them, but what about all other functions? 17:21:40 s/them/it/ 17:22:51 document the choice somewhere, and we'll fix as we rewrite? 17:23:19 as for sleep, i'll go with for now "Invalid argument to SLEEP: -1, should be a non-negative real." 17:24:03 hm, what about the dot at the end? 17:24:40 (boundp "fdf") => The value "fdf" is not of type SYMBOL. (fboundp "fdf") => invalid function name: "fdf" 17:24:47 I believe we strive for 17:24:50 no dot, no capitalization, the horror 17:24:53 grammatical correctness. 17:24:58 even in mock latin. 17:25:11 what about dots after integers? 17:25:43 clhs *print-radix* 17:25:43 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_bas.htm 17:25:46 and all that 17:26:51 do we with-standard-io-...? 17:27:08 somebody might princ it 17:28:10 "First argument in (SLEEP ...) is invalid, ..." 17:29:23 (sleep -1)\n ^ \n invalid argument, must a non-n... 17:29:31 like for format 17:29:47 we'll just breed lazy users that way 17:31:59 now make it an easy to use macro ;) 17:32:22 but then for functions with long arguments it won't be pretty 17:39:56 ok, i've pushed the SLEEP changes, more ambitious plans will require more thought 17:49:48 stassats`: you have a literal -1 instead of ~S 17:49:59 oh damn 17:50:29 it works well for (sleep -1), though 17:52:35 fixed 18:12:27 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 18:20:52 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:04 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 18:34:52 ASau [~user@46.115.97.219] has joined #sbcl 18:38:35 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:49 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 18:40:28 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-gfbzzsbqalcuvijt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:43:54 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-56.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49:32 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:03:00 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.60.179] has joined #sbcl 19:03:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:07:11 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.60.179] has quit [Client Quit] 19:09:47 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 19:15:48 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-dpnkwfcyrmyjqifh] has joined #sbcl 19:22:26 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #sbcl 20:23:02 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 22:14:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:26:08 -!- psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:42 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-005-153.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #sbcl 22:56:50 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75fb81.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:06 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-dpnkwfcyrmyjqifh] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:11:47 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 23:45:28 psilord [~psilord@c-69-180-173-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 23:54:48 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has joined #sbcl 23:55:15 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:23 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has joined #sbcl 23:58:01 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@78.90.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]