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To be pushed soon. 12:31:18 Bootstrap from cmucl seems to have issues though. *mumblemumble* 12:37:00 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-111.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 12:37:14 -!- homie is now known as Guest54711 12:37:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 12:46:12 -!- Guest54711 [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-111.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:47:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:48:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 12:50:13 danlentz [~danlentz@c-76-117-5-156.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 12:58:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:59:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 13:00:05 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-111.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:01:13 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-76-117-5-156.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:01:17 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 13:07:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:07:43 -!- homie` is now known as homie 13:16:15 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 13:22:07 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:42 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 13:24:37 -!- uniwiz [~uniwiz@unaffiliated/uniwiz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:25:36 uniwiz [~uniwiz@nexusnode.org] has joined #sbcl 13:25:57 hey, maybe that can be my entry-level project back in to sbcl 13:26:07 make sure that we can bootstrap from cmucl/clisp/ccl 13:26:13 (or if not at least find out why) 13:27:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 13:27:54 -!- uniwiz [~uniwiz@nexusnode.org] has quit [Changing host] 13:27:55 uniwiz [~uniwiz@unaffiliated/uniwiz] has joined #sbcl 13:31:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 13:47:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48:47 shiny, CMUCL even has a "platform table"-style download page 13:49:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 13:50:20 Xof: well, it's entirely possible that a recent version CMUCL doesn't have problems, I just don't have one 13:51:02 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:00:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 14:03:24 DGASAU` [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #sbcl 14:03:42 bo-ring: just build successfully using clisp 2.49 14:03:50 Xof: I do nightly builds from clisp on openbsd, I haven't seen any problems there for a while 14:04:14 yeah. I wonder whether the xc fasls are still bit-for-bit identical 14:04:16 joshe: ooh, that's reassuring. Thanks 14:04:20 so, should I try building cmucl 19f -> 20c directly, step-by-step, or better cross-compile 20c linux->freebsd? 14:04:34 lichtblau: "wrong channel" :-) 14:04:49 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:04:59 pkhuong: of course, if I'm ignoring openbsd test failures then I might not notice if clisp is failing in a different way :) 14:05:09 Xof: don't think so... I've had xc fasls differ because the host had different address ranges for the static/dynamic spaces 14:05:12 last time I tried building from ccl, admittedly several years ago, there was a struct :include and colliding accessors bugs 14:05:23 pkhuong: whaaaa 14:06:29 I struggle to see a mechanism for that: given that xc fasls are produced from things (e.g. clisp) which don't have a concept of static/dynamic space at all 14:06:42 Xof: well, pretty sure. That was the only difference. 14:06:52 ok, clearly something I can investigate, then 14:07:23 huh, wait, I tell a lie: sb-aclrepl just failed to build on my clisp xcompile 14:07:26 anyway. The branch built fine so I didn't try to understand things further. Might have been leakage from my patches 14:08:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:09:14 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #sbcl 14:11:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 14:12:21 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:12:45 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #sbcl 14:19:24 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:21:49 Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host57-4-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #sbcl 14:25:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 14:26:02 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:33:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:35:16 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:52 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 14:42:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 14:47:13 danlentz [~danlentz@c-76-117-5-156.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 14:51:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:38 Form: (PROGN (SETQ * 0.55d0) (ACLREPL-TESTS::ISTEP '("*"))) 14:51:38 Expected value: "double-float 5.5d0" 14:51:38 Actual value: "double-float 0.55d0". 14:51:57 well that's an interesting cross-compilation leakage bug, if that's what it is 14:52:15 joshe: do you keep build logs around for your nightly builds? 14:52:57 for a single night, yes 14:53:13 and the log is mailed to me if there's a build or test failure 14:53:20 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 14:55:18 well, this sbcl that I have just built using clisp has the following behaviour: 14:55:21 * 5.5d0 14:55:21 0.55d0 14:57:21 oh, ugh 14:57:46 mine does too, but I didn't notice because the sbcl-hosted sbcl build has been failing on openbsd for a while too 14:59:16 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-76-117-5-156.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:59:28 hm, wait 14:59:43 is this clisp breakage? I find that hard to believe. Is it truncate-exponent breakage? 15:00:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:00:55 I think it might be truncate-exponent breakage. 15:01:38 (that is, this is new code that doesn't work) 15:02:01 bah, no stassats 15:02:02 I can do some bisecting on a fairly fast machine today if you like 15:02:24 do you have nightly sbcls too? 15:02:31 I mean sbcl-hosted sbcl 15:02:33 do you have a suspected revision which would have caused the breakage? 15:02:40 b8359d1e6db950b0a7bd4a255ed6d57a3eac08ef 15:03:06 yes, and the sbcl-hosted one from last night is fine, except for one float test that's been failing on openbsd for a while 15:03:11 well, since it was added 15:03:38 oh, really? OK, I need to think harder about clisp then 15:03:55 ok, trying b8359d1e6db950b0a7bd4a255ed6d57a3eac08ef^ with clisp 15:04:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 15:06:48 -!- Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host57-4-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:59 nice puzzle for a friday afternoon 15:10:55 there's definitely host compiler leakage, but it's not obvious to me why it would break in exactly this way 15:11:18 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:11:53 Xof: the patch depends on IEEE-esque float limits 15:12:16 It might be using the wrong least-positive-double-float or something. 15:15:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.58.156] has joined #sbcl 15:15:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.58.156] has quit [Changing host] 15:15:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 15:16:24 well, it certainly is doing that 15:16:38 but on my reading that should only affect when truncation happens 15:16:38 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:11 (nth-value 1 (decode-float least-positive-double-float)) will be something like -2178278 rather than -390 15:17:15 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:17:47 but shouldn't that just mean that truncation doesn't happen, rather than truncate-exponent returning completely the wrong thing 15:18:13 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 15:22:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26:39 kanru [~kanru@kanru.info] has joined #sbcl 15:28:46 I can't imagine that constant folding of (floor (log 10 2)) could be a problem 15:30:00 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@99-27-206-179.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 15:30:53 Xof: can you disassemble the relevant functions when cross-built on clisp and sbcl? 15:34:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 15:42:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46:49 yes 15:46:58 first difference: 15:47:00 ; D56: 7D7B JNL L5 15:47:00 ; D58: 488BD8 MOV RBX, RAX 15:47:13 vs 15:47:14 ; D56: 0F8D81000000 JNL L5 15:47:14 ; D5C: 488D9831040000 LEA RBX, [RAX+1073] 15:47:24 http://paste.lisp.org/display/131881 15:48:28 ok, -1073 is the least-positive-long-float exponent 15:48:53 whereas on clisp it is -2147483647, which I guess might not be represented as an immediate 15:51:07 that then influences representation selection 15:51:28 there's an idiv by 6 instead of by 3 15:51:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 15:52:45 the thing that worries me here is that there might be a miscompilation as well as the leakage 15:53:05 of course karma will come right round and bite me and it'll turn out to be the signed modular arithmetic bug that I have made no progress towards fixing 15:53:24 seems to be a signed modular arithmetic thing, really. 15:53:35 *sigh* 15:54:10 that addition was completely optimised away. 15:54:32 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:08 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:55:43 hm, yes, you're right 15:57:14 and the constant should be fine as an immediate 15:58:18 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host57-4-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:59:26 ok, but I can't even reconstruct the bogus modular arithmetic that makes it get this wrong 15:59:40 the constant is 32 1 bits (including sign bit), right? 16:00:59 is there a setenv inbuilt into sbcl ? 16:01:18 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:01:29 no, wait 16:01:44 the constant is #x80000001 16:01:51 where do you put say tings in /usr/share/common-lisp say modues that don't belong into the quicklisp package (solitary), on windows ? 16:01:56 that's the -ve value. 16:02:06 +ve is 7FFFFFFF 16:02:07 ah, yes 16:02:49 ok, so how on earth does it elide the addition entirely? 16:03:00 that's not in any modular arithmetic code I understand 16:03:09 gah, have to go home 16:06:32 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:09 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-149.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:08:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 16:10:13 fixing the leakage is likely to be easy, anyway: just slap a (load-time-value ...) around the float-related computation. 16:10:24 but I would like to understand the miscompilation too 16:12:30 wouldn't it be simpler to read from the cross-compiler's constants? 16:12:41 you can't portably define float constants 16:12:50 ah, right. 16:13:04 you could read from sb!vm:float-exponent-bits and -bias (or whatever they're called) 16:15:46 at least naively simply making a new truncate-exponent in a built sbcl with max-exponent bound to a constant #x7fffffff doesn't lead to the wrong answer 16:16:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:11 there we get 16:16:12 ; 64C: 488D98FFFFFF7F LEA RBX, [RAX+2147483647] 16:16:38 so. Now I am really going home, and hoping that this problem magically solves itself 16:19:28 pkhuong: did you see the recent ccl mail about mach_port_allocate_name? 16:19:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 16:20:12 hmm... was that a ccl email? something like that anyway 16:23:12 slyrus_: yup. 16:23:23 fun, eh? 16:24:03 we have the same strategy, except that: our objects-whose-addresses-must-be-mach-port-names are smaller (only one pointer), and stored in a freelist. 16:24:39 so, it's harder to hit the same issue, and we could/should just initialise the freelist at boot-time. 16:27:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33:27 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@99-27-206-179.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:36:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 16:44:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:45:00 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pkhuong: I found the answer on the train 18:02:19 1. clisp doesn't have denormals, so the constant definition of least-positive-long-float ends up being 0d0 18:02:41 2. clisp's DECODE-FLOAT gives 0d0 an exponent of 0 (unlike sbcl, which gives it -1023) 18:02:47 hence, "elided" addition 18:03:24 ah. 18:05:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07:32 sounds like a compliance bug: Each of these constant variables has as its value the smallest positive (nonzero) float for the float format implied by its name. 18:08:03 what else is new? ;) 18:09:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 18:14:02 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:16:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:26:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 18:26:46 -!- attila_lendvai 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