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That's not what my long comment was about 07:34:46 hah 07:35:17 it uses *compiler-error-bailout* -- which decides what to do 07:37:26 i still want to at some point give that stuff a shakeout, so (1) recursive compile-file calls work right (2) i can do something like (setf sb-ext:*compiler-handles-errors* nil) in .sbcrc to land in the debugger without needing to mess with *break-on-signals* 07:37:35 but not today 07:41:33 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 07:55:45 -!- hroptatyr [~asathor@sxemacs/devel/hroptatyr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:03:22 oh, duh, misread the CERROR form 08:03:33 as you were 08:04:41 committed a few minutes ago. let me know if it gives you hives :) 08:04:57 so speedy 08:13:18 by the way, if you set up your gpgpg key with launchpad, it just occurred to me that a little mail macro (procmail or similar if you're confident, or something interactive in your client) could forward commit mails with "fix #foo" messages to the appropriate launchpad bug 08:13:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-62-122.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #sbcl 08:13:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-62-122.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 08:13:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 08:14:38 my prisoner to gmail at the moment, but when i've managd my migration out of there i'll try to figure it out 08:33:22 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:37:51 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-231.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:39:49 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-231.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 09:05:32 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:12:09 hlavaty [~user@91-65-218-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #sbcl 09:16:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:44:36 -!- specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-60-224.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:45:23 specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-60-224.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #sbcl 09:52:03 |42|` [user@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3aab] has joined #sbcl 09:54:05 -!- Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 09:54:05 -!- |42| [user@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3aab] has quit [*.net *.split] 10:07:58 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@188-67-181-167.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:15:18 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs78186070.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 10:15:18 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 10:27:36 what's the general feeling on being able to have C-like control (down to the byte level) over structure layouts? 10:28:19 would be nice, i think 10:29:18 additional slot option, I guess. My first stab just specified everything as ABI-compatibly as possible by default. 10:30:06 nice one re world lock; should it help wrt slime deadlocks? 10:30:36 i don't think fasl loading is the problem there 10:31:06 this will help with hunchentoot &co, that start threads during load 10:33:00 removing the world-lock from compile and compile-file are coming next, but need more thinking and re-reading code before they're done 10:33:44 compile, really? I'd have thought we need a consistent type graph. 10:34:31 that's part of the stuff i'm working on 10:35:17 also: at what point do we just say "don't do that" 10:38:27 (1) make sure the type-graph updates are thread safe, and tell the users to make sure they don't depend on stuff from other threads unless they also synchronize manually (2) implement some form of isolation or at least detect violations 10:38:52 i'm starting to lean towards #1 10:39:28 how bad could things crash with #1? 10:40:56 i have trouble imagining anything worse than you can already get by a sneaky interrupt, or just sneaky sequence of toplevel forms 10:41:35 it all comes down to lying to the compiler, more or less 10:42:11 though tbh, i think COMPILE should be easier to swing than COMPILE-FILE 10:43:38 it would already be that. 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I have not complained 14:49:40 Mmm. I was looking at reflecting SIGTERM to a signalfd so that I could handle it myself in the appropriate thread, but... 14:49:42 huh. why doesn't git stash work if I've used git add -N. That is rather odd. 14:51:01 The existing SIGTERM handler isn't guaranteed to run on any particular thread, and calls terminate-session which is documented to not do anything if the current thread isn't foreground in the session, and then calls sb-ext:quit, which doesn't do anything useful to the process-as-a-whole if it's not called from the initial thread. 14:51:06 (Or maybe the last thread.) 14:51:24 In short, doesn't seem like it works worth a damn. 14:56:23 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs78186070.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:56:58 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 14:59:50 Does anyone know the magic offhand to force a running SBCL to no longer defer a signal? 14:59:56 Or should I just work it out myself? 15:03:29 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-107-108.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #sbcl 15:13:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-62-122.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #sbcl 15:13:19 -!- attila_lendvai 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(IRC client for Emacs)] 21:41:33 rstill [~rstill@12.104.144.2] has joined #sbcl 21:57:28 -!- rstill [~rstill@12.104.144.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:24 rstill [~rstill@12.104.144.2] has joined #sbcl 22:01:48 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@178-164-240-158.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #sbcl 22:01:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:06:05 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-206-215.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:07:44 "Value set [#\a] from #:PREFIX-VAR1787 in #:PREFIX-VAR1787 is not of type (VALUES STRING &OPTIONAL)." that's a confusing error mesage 22:10:03 from (let ((foo #\a)) (locally (declare (string foo)) foo)) 22:17:14 I get "from FOO in FOO", which isn't /quite/ so bad 22:17:55 yeah, that particular error message was from (pprint-logical-block (*standard-output* nil :prefix #\a)) 22:18:00 the snippet is what caused it 22:18:06 yeah 22:20:47 hm, the 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