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Should I care or just send p-cos to hell? 02:49:59 Have logical pathnames changed recently? They seem to preserve upper case these days. 02:50:45 i.e. (translate-pathname "ASDF:TEST;TEST-FORCE.ASD.NEWEST" "ASDF:**;*.ASD.NEWEST" #P"/home/fare/cl/asdf/**/*.asd.newest") ===> #P"/home/fare/cl/asdf/test/TEST-FORCE.asd.newest" 02:50:57 using SBCL 1.0.55.7-b7a594e 02:51:43 considering how test becomes lower-case but test-force upper-case, this smells like a bug to me. 02:53:01 should I open a bug on launchpad? 03:05:42 slyrus [~chatzilla@c-98-201-107-177.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 03:09:54 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.112.73.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:13:03 -!- echo-are` [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:15:07 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-195-211.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:44 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-195-211.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 03:47:08 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #sbcl 03:52:30 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-195-211.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:56:38 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA05D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06:20 KDr2 [~kdr2@123.112.73.31] has joined #sbcl 04:09:13 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 04:55:19 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 04:56:50 -!- Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:02:45 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #sbcl 05:03:27 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-24-118-208-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:43 psilord [~psilord@c-24-118-208-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 05:09:27 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@c-98-201-107-177.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:10:32 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 05:28:01 -!- psilord [~psilord@c-24-118-208-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:50:14 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.45.218] has joined #sbcl 05:53:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.12.90] has joined #sbcl 05:53:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.12.90] has quit [Changing host] 05:53:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 06:45:07 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.45.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:22:46 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31:20 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:14:08 -!- _8david [~user@port-92-195-74-221.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:25 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181241043.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 09:22:25 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 09:50:20 ebw [~user@krlh-4d034232.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 09:53:46 -!- KDr2 [~kdr2@123.112.73.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:42 Kryztof [~user@158.223.162.37] has joined #sbcl 10:00:42 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Kryztof 10:01:41 Fare: to the best of my knowledge logical pathnames haven't changed in several years 10:03:36 for example, I get the same results as you do with 1.0.39, which is at least 18 months old 10:04:16 as for whether it's a bug, this is exactly the kind of thing that makes logical pathnames completely unportable -- you won't find the behaviour specified anywhere 10:05:36 setting a translation of (("**;*.*.*" "/home/fare/cl/asdf/**/*.*")) for host ASDF gives you ".../test/test-force.asd" 10:09:11 physical pathname syntax may not do what you expect it to. "*.asd.newest" is physical pathname notation for something with name approximately (:pattern :multi-char-wild ".asd") and type "newest" 10:09:34 if you do (translate-pathname "ASDF:TEST;TEST-FORCE.ASD.NEWEST" "ASDF:**;*.ASD.NEWEST" (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "home" "fare" "cl" "asdf" :wild-inferiors) :name :wild :type "asd.newest")) 10:09:41 you might get the pathname that you actually want 10:09:58 (it has the correct sb-ext:native-namestring, though it doesn't have a cl:namestring -- but that's OK) 10:32:22 -!- specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-27-35.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:22 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:51 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 10:37:02 specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-27-35.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #sbcl 10:45:47 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:29 scymtym [~user@2001:638:504:2093:21a:a0ff:fe34:2d7d] has joined #sbcl 11:05:43 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #sbcl 11:19:09 -!- scymtym [~user@2001:638:504:2093:21a:a0ff:fe34:2d7d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:59 scymtym [~user@2001:638:504:2093:21a:a0ff:fe34:2d7d] has joined #sbcl 11:31:55 -!- gko [~gko@220.228.255.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:42:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:56 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.150.6] has joined #sbcl 11:43:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.150.6] has quit [Changing host] 11:43:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 12:17:25 ebw` [~user@krlh-5f72219f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 12:21:09 -!- ebw [~user@krlh-4d034232.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:21:41 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32:53 LiamH [~healy@wireless-206-196-162-153.umd.edu] has joined #sbcl 12:36:24 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE0021910f07ac-CM0019477f82fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:37:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.158.66] has joined #sbcl 12:37:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.158.66] has quit [Changing host] 12:37:30 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 12:41:26 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #sbcl 12:48:04 antgreen [~user@CPE0021910f07ac-CM0019477f82fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #sbcl 12:48:29 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 13:07:11 -!- Kryztof [~user@158.223.162.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:24:17 slyrus [~chatzilla@c-98-201-107-177.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 13:25:32 -!- LiamH [~healy@wireless-206-196-162-153.umd.edu] has left #sbcl 13:31:42 leuler [~user@p549059A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #sbcl 13:43:38 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181241043.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:46:36 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #sbcl 13:46:36 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Kryztof 13:49:02 psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 13:52:14 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE0021910f07ac-CM0019477f82fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:00:56 oh pathnames...they're almost as good as PHP! 14:01:21 does PHP support VMS? 14:01:24 or RSX-11? 14:01:29 LiamH [~healy@wireless-206-196-162-153.umd.edu] has joined #sbcl 14:02:53 yes 14:03:27 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181241043.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 14:03:28 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 14:05:25 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:41 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 14:33:38 -!- specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-27-35.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:34:02 -!- LiamH [~healy@wireless-206-196-162-153.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:34:23 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:42:25 with great flexibility comes great ability to go wrong 15:06:48 Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #sbcl 15:31:01 Kryztof: which particular wrong are you thinking of? 15:31:58 pathnames 15:32:13 people are complaining about pathnames. Again. 15:32:22 did they ever stop? 15:35:35 note for CL 2.0: support gray pathnames 15:44:49 -!- ebw` [~user@krlh-5f72219f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02:37 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181241043.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:27:56 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:35:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.158.66] has joined #sbcl 16:35:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.158.66] has quit [Changing host] 16:35:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 16:57:39 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.202.245] has joined #sbcl 17:00:39 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #sbcl 17:09:23 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@c-98-201-107-177.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:38 antgreen [~user@out-on-182.wireless.telus.com] has joined #sbcl 17:31:38 lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-121-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #sbcl 17:54:48 -!- antgreen [~user@out-on-182.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:22:57 This make.sh run is going on for a reassuringly long time now. 18:41:02 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 19:07:23 specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-71-77.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #sbcl 19:25:49 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:42:25 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:30 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-200.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 19:58:53 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #sbcl 19:59:05 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181241043.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 19:59:05 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 20:11:42 -!- leuler [~user@p549059A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:13:29 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.202.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:35 nikodemus: hilarious observation about compiler macro lambda lists 20:32:02 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d01104a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 20:33:50 -!- psilord [~psilord@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:40:55 slyrus [~chatzilla@12.132.197.125] has joined #sbcl 20:44:46 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #sbcl 21:00:00 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-200.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:02:40 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:50 -!- Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:27 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-200.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 21:56:50 -!- Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:02:39 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:50 is there anything like an intro to hacking sbcl? 22:07:29 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-200.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:36 I just figured out that sb!vm is not a package in the end product, but don't know how to proceed from there. 22:08:02 the resulting package name is sb-vm 22:09:20 so one develops using the sb-vm stuff, and then converts to sb!vm for the final version? 22:09:50 *|3b|* thought slime could translate it automatically 22:11:37 <|3b|> hmm, maybe only sometimes 22:12:44 at least not at the repl 22:14:14 but sb-vm works. Thanks joshe 22:14:48 the translation is done in Slime for files that look like they're part of the sbcl source 22:15:37 if you want to get the package aliases (and some other stuff in a similar vein) globally, you can load src/cold/chill.lisp 22:16:17 i tried C-c C-c on one of these (%random-double-float in target-random.lisp) but it hit the package lock. 22:16:54 jsnell: cold/chill.lisp? now that's cool. 22:17:02 jsnell: what does it do? :-) 22:17:59 undefined function sb-vm::random-mt19937 22:18:05 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-200.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 22:18:34 anyway, progress. 22:18:47 e.g. adds some reader macros that are normally only present during cross-compilation, renames packages, unlocks packages 22:19:06 jsnell: i see. 22:19:09 thanks 22:19:28 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d01104a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:30:43 Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has joined #sbcl 22:37:31 ooh, an sbcl release, finally 22:49:56 -!- Fare [~Fare@216.239.55.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:58:20 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181241043.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:06:07 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]