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13:31:22 wow 13:31:23 no 13:31:41 ferada [~user@g224144126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #sbcl 13:32:06 i hope it's just my email hook tweaks going haywire for some reason 13:34:41 redline6561-work [~redline65@66.6.146.58] has joined #sbcl 13:35:50 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-158-5.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 13:36:47 ok i think i know what's going on 13:37:44 denyFastForward was disabled on SF ? 13:39:20 just the email hook getting things wrong 13:39:38 denyNonFastForwards, actually 13:39:48 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-198-44.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #sbcl 13:40:08 nothing was discarded -- my changes to get a separate email for each commit just apparently don't work when you push a merge commit 13:42:49 I thought we were not allowing merge commits 13:45:08 GIT-FOR-SBCL-HACKERS could recommend using pull --rebase 13:45:09 pushing a merge is allowed. a merge that happens because you push isn't 13:48:52 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:51 -!- ferada [~user@g224144126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:08:15 nikodemus: am I misreading that statement? How could push create a merge commit? People create unneeded merge commits because they misuse pull, not push. 14:08:32 And you can't check whether a merge commit makes sense programmatically. So better disallow them entirely. 14:10:30 Merges are really good if you have a project with multiple levels of people feeding each other branches to be merged; rebasing would be done on the lower levels, whereas high-level merges would actually be merge commits. 14:11:19 But such high-level merges make the history hard to figure out for little benefit, if the project isn't actually Linux-sized. 14:14:37 lichtblau: an update is a fast-forward if merge-base $new $old is old 14:16:12 That's a different issue. The restriction on fast-forwards is very important, but does not help to avoid merge commits. 14:16:21 exactly 14:16:49 OK. Do we all agree that merge commits should be forbidden? 14:18:25 This isn't just an issue for committers. Even normal users are harmed by merge commits. They make all sorts of debugging and analysis pointlessly hard. 14:18:46 i can make un upate hook that denies them 14:19:04 allow them on other branches, but deny them on master? 14:23:58 (because if we require all updates to be fastforwards, then maintaining a branch without merges is pretty much impossible) 14:40:29 rebase branches (: 14:41:49 cool kids branch on github 14:42:01 fork, fork, I meant fork 14:43:53 lichtblau: how does it make debugging hard ? 14:46:42 fe[nl]ix: it obviously does not affect debugging of an individual build, but when you're hunting down why and how things changed as part of your work, I find it pretty annoying 14:48:34 antifuchs: will autobench proceed past that merge commit, and how does it show it in the web interface? ISTR that Jan's version of autobench wasn't ready for complicated branch history (but then that fork of autobench has various changes, including in the git branch logic) 14:48:49 I'm not sure it will 14:49:20 it makes little sense to disallow merges, because then how do you bring a branch onto master if not by merging ? 14:49:21 right now it doesn't do much - I disabled it until I can test the builder more extensively (it stopped right after the transition for some reason) 14:52:21 fe[nl]ix: you can do development of branches, but you rebase those branches occasionally to bring them up-to-date, and then do a final rebase before actually pushing to master. 14:54:04 "pushing" how ? 14:55:35 fast-forward master to your branch's head 14:55:53 then push 14:58:53 and if we want to merge a long-lived branch with a merge commit, we can worry about that then 14:59:23 but merge commits for trivial cases are silly 15:01:34 history gets tangled up really quickly if you keep merging like that 15:08:33 ok. update hook and fixed post-receive-email in place 15:19:28 thank you 15:29:59 tcr1 [~tcr@cpm191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #sbcl 15:35:29 homie` [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-169-200.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 15:36:55 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@cpm191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:38:05 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-158-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:44:01 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 15:51:31 SBCL marketing department here... how's that 1.1 release coming along? 15:53:43 i'm fine with making 1.0.50 1.1 instead 15:54:09 hey, here's a thought 15:54:47 tcr1 [~tcr@cpm191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #sbcl 15:54:48 let's keep all the numbers in single digits and make it 1.5 instead. then 1.5.9 will be followed by 1.6.0, etc 15:55:05 That's windowsy. 15:55:08 LESS PLANNING, MORE TIMEBOXING 15:56:06 yay. maybe use base 12 for the patch numbers? (: 15:56:15 i was mainly just thinking that 1.1 /looks/ smaller than 1.0.49 :) 15:56:25 1.5.9, 1.5.A, 1.5.B, then one year later, 1.6.0 (-: 15:56:32 haha 15:56:52 heh 15:56:58 (one year after 1.5.0, rather) 15:58:51 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-132-189-7.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #sbcl 15:58:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-132-189-7.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 15:58:51 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 15:59:19 in all seriousness, ISTR a lot of activity around the 1.0 release -- testing, reports from the field, quasi-evangelism, etc... I think a (properly executed) 1.1 release would generate some excitement and would be a good thing. a lot has changed since 1.0! 15:59:52 -!- homie` [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-169-200.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:01:16 imo, there should be a release like that once a year or so 16:02:48 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@cpm191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02:49 maybe for one month, keep a quasi-freeze going after the release, call for more testing, put up a couple release candidate tarballs, then at the end of the month release it and call it 1.n+1 16:03:44 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-169-200.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 16:04:32 Last time we went through this we didn't particularly want to encourage people to think that 1.0 would be any more tested or supported than 0.9.18 16:07:56 ah, I was afraid of that 16:09:25 loke_ [~elias@bb119-74-212-229.singnet.com.sg] has joined #sbcl 16:13:16 -!- loke [~elias@bb116-14-205-184.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:15:12 *nikodemus* hands slyrus the 1.1 manager hat 16:17:50 I just went through and converted ITA's svn mirror of CVS with "merges" and local changes into an actual git branch with real merges. Yay! 16:20:32 hooray! 16:26:52 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:29:11 Hm. The version-making script is an issue. 16:29:27 oh, I guess I just override SBCL_BUILDING_RELEASE_FROM 16:30:10 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 16:30:10 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 16:31:05 For some reason, the tags tabby and start are giving my git server fits 16:31:58 Caused by: java.io.IOException: Unpack error on project "third-party/sbcl": 16:31:58 RefFilter: com.google.gerrit.server.git.ReceiveCommitsRefFilter@14bb6486class com.google.gerrit.server.git.ReceiveCommitsRefFilter 16:34:17 hunh 16:34:24 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:23 Is there something unique about those? the rest of them worked fine. 16:36:16 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:36:17 start is the first commit ever 16:36:41 tabby iirc pre-whitespace normalization marker 16:37:13 cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has joined #sbcl 16:38:09 aha! 16:38:14 they have bogus dates 16:38:36 *sigh* i fixed dates on all release tags, and missed those two 16:38:44 ouch 16:38:51 both say they're "Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 +0000" 16:40:35 should I add cvs-start and cvs-tabby tags which duplicate them with right dates and then delete the bogons? 16:40:59 (i won't rewrite them with the same names at this stage) 16:41:52 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:42:36 cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has joined #sbcl 16:52:34 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-223-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:02:18 nikodemus: it was nice of the unix folks to pick the (presumed) date of my conception for the beginning of the epoch 17:02:38 hah 17:04:08 I'll put the manager hat on and think a bit about what I'd like to see for a 1.1 release. thanks again for the git migration! 17:05:07 excellent 17:05:26 going out for some fresh air and ice cream --> 17:05:41 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:07:42 -!- loke_ [~elias@bb119-74-212-229.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:44 -!- Krystof [~csr21@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:39:12 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 17:39:12 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 17:43:25 gor[e] [~svr@gw2.masterhost.ru] has joined #sbcl 17:46:28 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has joined #sbcl 17:46:28 -!- flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has quit [Changing host] 17:46:28 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #sbcl 17:46:41 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:32 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:49:09 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #sbcl 18:51:06 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #sbcl 19:05:40 nikodemus: I'd say just delete the two tags entirely 19:05:45 nikodemus: I don't think they're useful for anything 19:17:58 tcr1 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has joined #sbcl 19:22:30 -!- lisppaste2 [~lisppaste@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:30 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:30 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:35 lisppaste2 [~lisppaste@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 19:25:51 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 19:25:56 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 19:40:00 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-236-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:24 ASau [~user@95-26-236-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 19:42:53 not anymore, they're not (-: 19:46:32 tcr2 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has joined #sbcl 19:46:32 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:12 Krystof [~csr21@80-218-247-218.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 19:50:12 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 20:25:05 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ffe8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #sbcl 20:46:15 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-236-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:07 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:02:24 ASau [~user@95-26-236-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 21:14:37 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ffe8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24:52 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:12 cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has joined #sbcl 21:37:23 -!- jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:37:25 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-236-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:46 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #sbcl 21:49:22 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:55:33 -!- redline6561-work [~redline65@66.6.146.58] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:05:59 ASau [~user@95-26-236-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 22:53:27 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-169-200.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:54:49 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:58:36 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:59:33 cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has joined #sbcl 23:14:50 redline6561-work [~redline65@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 23:18:19 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:48 -!- redline6561-work [~redline65@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:23 redline6561-work [~redline65@cei-gla-cpk2.coxinc.com] has joined #sbcl