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[~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:21 *blink* 15:04:33 i just shaved a megabyte out of sbcl.core 15:06:47 wow 15:06:48 how ? 15:09:54 dropping all caches from define-hash-cache before saving core 15:11:19 purpose of this was not to shrink core -- that it did wasn't exactly a surprise, but the size of the shrinkage was 15:11:55 it's still only ~2.5% of the total size, though, so peanuts is peanuts :) 15:40:28 Are there plans to implement treeshaking in sbcl, or is already done (without using that name)? Or is that a mythical process not really necessary when delivering binaries? 15:40:55 Just something I've been hearing about in context of some commercial lisps. 15:41:07 there are no active plans 15:41:15 it's not really considered necessary 15:41:29 Right. 15:41:35 juho wrote a proof-of concept somewhere 15:42:29 for such a think to be practical, we'd need to add a slow-path to CLOS that doesn't depend on the compiler being there at runtime 15:43:14 from pure "omg what a huge binary" perspective, sbcl generated executables gzexe quite nicely 15:43:50 So that require some major additions to the code? 15:43:56 s/that/that would/ 15:44:26 major... no. non-trivial, though 15:44:39 Uhm. 15:44:51 and for tree shaker to really do something useful, it needs a lot of care from the user 15:45:20 "i promise not to call EVAL on any form that contains something not already called by something else" 15:45:30 "i promise not to call COMPILE" 15:45:56 Yeah. 15:46:01 "i promise not to mess around with SYMBOL-FUNCTION or SYMBOL-VALUE too much, with exceptions A, B, C..." 15:46:27 :) 15:46:34 if someone wants to work on one, that's fine. i'm not morally opposed to having one 15:46:47 but it's a very low priority currently 15:47:49 What is the kind of stuff the team is most concentrating on these days? 15:48:28 i can't really speak for others, but i'm working on whatever my current customer needs :) 15:48:34 :) 15:48:52 Sounds good. 15:49:11 i do hope to get faster external formats done for 1.0.50, though, but no promises 16:00:04 we could call it 1.1.0! 16:00:12 or, heck, 2 16:02:17 i'd like to save 2.0 for merging the windows stuff... but of course that could be 3.0 :) 16:02:54 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #sbcl 16:07:35 The Linux Way 16:09:34 call it 1.5! (: 16:13:53 Call it 2011 16:13:58 SBCL 2011 16:14:59 SBCL 2011 Tooting Teletubbies 16:15:38 lala 16:19:46 SBCL 11.6 Anorexic Axolotl 16:22:12 ESURIENT. best codename ever :) 16:24:05 also, UNIX return code. 16:24:57 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:25:19 joshe: Well, next release then is SBCL 11.9 Bulemic Bulldog? 16:26:44 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #sbcl 16:26:44 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 16:28:38 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:39 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-223-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:41 homie` [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-186-211.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 17:12:20 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-189-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:16:52 i hereby testify that i never realized what a pain the "export to CVS step" was in our workflow till i disappeared 17:17:03 working directly with git is blissful 17:17:30 hm, "it", even. not "i disappeared" :) 17:23:15 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:26:48 hahaha 17:29:11 one never knows, does one 17:34:15 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 17:34:15 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 17:39:24 pkhuong: are you on the case for roman's make-thread patch? 17:41:34 -!- homie` [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-186-211.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:42:19 oh fuck. yes. 17:42:29 tcr1 [~tcr@80-218-247-218.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 17:42:31 I'm getting pressure from the advisor 17:42:33 but yes. 17:43:44 what are your thoughts on having more debug info re no-arg-parsing entry point and the ~dual for returns? 17:44:07 I have code, and it'd enable some specialised calling convention hacks. 17:44:48 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-186-211.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 17:47:10 gor[e] [~svr@gw2.masterhost.ru] has joined #sbcl 17:52:13 pkhuong: sounds basically good -- at least if it doesn't increase core size notably for debug 1 17:53:11 shouldn't. 17:53:16 it's a couple word per argument 17:53:27 then i'm all for mode debug info :) 17:53:37 what's the practical difference it makes? 17:55:02 we could skip the arg parsing code and the associated boxing/unboxing step 17:55:16 well, yay! 17:55:26 then i'm _all_ for it :) 17:55:42 more aggressively, we could do the same for return 17:56:43 even cooler. while unboxed single-floats make things less painful, i'd like to some day be able to use my raytracer with double-floats too without things feeling like walking in a bog :) 17:57:21 I'm not ready to pull the optimisation code in the mainline though 17:57:27 too many things I'm not sure about 17:57:48 make for an excellent branch in the main repo, though! 17:57:55 makes, even 17:58:27 like, is it correct to copy a code component, and, if there's only one tail set in the function, can I just stick a return before the return value boxing code? 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