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When people start experimenting they'll tell you what they need 19:02:35 foom: are you actually there? :) 19:02:38 "Build it, and they will come" 19:02:42 Xof: ? 19:05:11 https://github.com/nikodemus/SBCL/tree/gc-logfile 19:11:16 the trouble with "api later" approach is that someone /will/ start using the current one, and will depend on it, and later when things change their code breaks and they're unhappy 19:11:20 this /always/ happens 19:11:58 so the question is, is this particular thing useful enough to lurk in the tree to offset those difficulties 19:12:26 the secondary effect of people being encouraged to depend on internals like that is also unpleasant 19:15:38 <|3b|> you could always commit it and then revert it, or just break it :) 19:15:39 Well, currently there's only the filename, right? 19:17:05 I could imagine having some callback for my own function that writes data in the same logfile would be nice 19:17:25 But AFAIK there are already hooks for the gc; and opening the same file in append mode should work fine 19:18:07 nikodemus_: it's easy: declare the interface as "unstable" 19:18:33 then you get to mock anybody who complains when it changes 19:19:12 if no-one seems against it on sbcl-devel, in it goes 19:24:54 fe[nl]ix: yeah... it doesn't work that way anymore 19:25:03 people have expectations. 19:34:56 why not any more ? 19:35:08 Linus still does it with fun and profit :D 19:53:43 despite my confusing nationality, i'm unfortunately not linus ;) 19:55:45 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@99-27-205-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:43 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@99-27-205-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 19:59:06 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 19:59:48 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@99-27-205-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:40 That's not unfortunate ... there are enough linux kernel hackers, we want some attention for SBCL, too! 20:01:58 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@99-27-205-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #sbcl 20:02:01 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@99-27-205-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:40 wait, what, is this true? don't we have anything nice and exported to encode lisp strings to malloc'ed memory 20:05:50 i could have sworn there was something 20:12:05 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-198-44.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:15 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-158-155.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:58 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-158-155.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 20:35:36 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-185-93.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 20:43:50 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #sbcl 20:44:49 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-36-56.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #sbcl 20:58:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-36-56.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Changing host] 20:58:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #sbcl 21:01:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #sbcl 21:05:42 pdlogan [~patrick@75-94-47-26.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #sbcl 21:20:21 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #sbcl 21:22:51 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:49 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-185-93.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:32:15 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@75-94-47-26.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:04:51 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-158-155.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:05:27 homie` [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-139-201.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 22:12:36 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-185-93.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 22:13:34 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-185-93.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit]