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Did I pessimized it? 15:17:48 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 trigen [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 froydnj [~froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 antifuchs [~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #sbcl 15:21:56 -!- gibson.freenode.net has set mode +o nikodemus 15:25:29 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:30 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:30 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:30 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:26:58 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 15:26:58 slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has joined #sbcl 15:26:58 lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has joined #sbcl 15:26:58 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #sbcl 15:36:50 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-189-141.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 15:55:16 mega1_ [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #sbcl 15:55:18 -!- mega1_ [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:28:50 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:06 (require :coffee) 16:45:36 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-189-141.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:02:42 sbcl hackers aroundp 17:03:50 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #sbcl 17:03:50 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 17:07:06 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-189-141.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 17:17:20 oh man, committing to cvs again =/ 17:17:58 with manual commit emails! 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Say some benovolent company came around and said, "I've got money to throw a this compiler". Do you thing there would be traction? 23:19:44 Depends what the terms of the money are, I guess :D 23:19:57 Could be. My response would be "under what terms, and what do you want to have worked on?" 23:22:22 Throwing money at a problem also makes it lest "fun" and more work. Just wondering if there is any capacity in the community to accept money for work. 23:22:43 Sure there is. 23:22:59 But we're talking hypotheticals here. 23:24:04 If some company (or private individual) wants to fund SBCL development, the question is always going to be "under what terms, what do you want to have done, and what are your priorities for getting it done?" 23:24:55 Have companies like ITA funded such ventures? With such a big pile of doh I wonder why they did not continue. 23:26:05 That's something that I'm not going to comment on at this point. 23:26:22 At least, I don't think I'm going to comment on it. 23:27:10 foom: Are you going to comment on it, or are you out and about enjoying your Friday evening? 23:27:17 (Or just not going to comment?) 23:28:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #sbcl 23:29:20 *pers* google James Knight and makes the ITA connectino 23:29:55 ITA has been for a long time and is currently funding some work on open source projects, including SBCL. I'm sure there's capacity in the community to absorb money from other people who might want jobs done as well. 23:31:01 Are there any other companies using SBCL publicly? 23:31:20 *nyef* imagines that teclo might be using SBCL. 23:31:52 foom: So ITA is funding SBCL development? 23:31:56 tech.coop uses SBCL, but they might not qualify as a "company". 23:32:55 pers: The way you stated that is ambiguous, it could sound like ITA is funding *all* of SBCL development, which is certainly untrue. ITA is paying for a little bit of work on SBCL. 23:33:18 teclo is luring sbcl people away to a life without free time and hence no time for sbcl :-) 23:33:20 YCombinator might use SBCL 23:33:31 Not sure, yet. Google-fu failing a bit 23:33:42 but they have Arc! 23:33:46 why would they use sbcl? 23:33:52 gonzojive_ [~red@171.66.85.30] has joined #sbcl 23:34:15 Oh, I suppose they do 23:34:19 My bad :D 23:34:24 And Arc has great libraries, like the one used to serve news.ycombinator.com that is so well maintained, it can't even speak HTTP. 23:34:36 It just seems to me that we only have Nikodemus pushing ahead in his free time. Which is a truck factor of 1. 23:34:55 Not discounting everyone else. No insult intended. 23:35:05 So maybe we need some $$ injection. 23:35:22 feel free. :) 23:35:34 or you could do some development yourself, of course 23:35:44 pers: nikodemus is actively looking for monetary contribution so he could devote more time to sbcl 23:36:05 pers: Have a look at the commit logs, they tell a slightly different story... and nikodemus is the one sbcl committer with the highest profile for paying sbcl work. 23:36:15 foom: I submit patches, but no commit priveledges yet. It seems to me that you are in a unique position though. 23:36:26 I'm in no unique position 23:36:50 And nikodemus isn't the only maintainer willing to accept monetary contribution, either. 23:37:01 yeah true that, sorry nyef 23:37:18 Unless I'm really working for the only company using SBCL in the world 23:37:20 that'd suck. 23:37:45 foom: just the highest profile and the most profit. 23:37:53 there are a couple companies using sbcl, afaict 23:38:02 anyway. 23:38:43 I haven't heard much back after I last updated the git workflow thing... does that mean universal approval or universal apathy? (: 23:38:52 +1 23:38:56 Anyway yes. I hate $ discussion. I wish I had $$ to throw at my favorite compiler. oh, and a pony. 23:38:59 Possibly universal busyness? 23:39:28 nyef: or that, yeah :( 23:39:30 "(:" 23:39:59 pers: SBCL is a tool, we're not in the *business* of developing tools, just need to improve it where it hurts. So we're not gonna have a huge team of people working on it... 23:41:35 foom: Yea. Sad but true. Bottom line wins all bets. 23:42:12 hah, I guess that's also why apple's toolchain sucks (: 23:42:56 well, making an OS *is* kinda a core part of Apple's business. ;p 23:43:11 but not the developer tools, I guess (: 23:43:37 but you're right, the comparison pretty much fails in some key places (: 23:48:27 foom: I guess we need another company with less narrow focus. 23:52:52 antifuchs: The GIT-WORKFLOW.md file doesn't include a description of how to do an actual check-in / push. 23:59:57 nyef: yeah. I assumed the basic git conventions to be in place.