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all start a start up 01:51:58 fine - come up with somebody that will give us lots of money (: 01:52:18 *Quadrescence* looks over toward stassats. 01:53:25 oh yeah, right after i break a million on my own start up 01:54:25 *antifuchs* pushes once more 01:54:38 (somebody please get clean towels and hot water) 01:54:53 RRRRRRAAAAAAAAHH 01:54:55 (breathe) 01:55:04 you want to shave someone? 01:55:41 all the time, this has felt like giving birth (mostly the pain part), so that was what I was referring to (: 01:56:03 ok. here we are. 01:56:05 shaving isn't that pleasing either, you know 01:56:11 https://github.com/antifuchs/sbcl 01:56:18 and https://github.com/antifuchs/sbcl/blob/git-toolchain/GIT-WORKFLOW.md 01:56:30 pls try it out, comment, update. 01:56:43 antifuchs: I'm not reviewing that tonight, sorry. 01:56:59 nyef: no worries. whenever you have the time. 01:57:30 anyone else - foom, Krystof, jsnell (-: 01:59:16 ok, yes, the giving-birth analogy works. 01:59:32 *antifuchs* feels 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I'll tell nikodemus when he/she/it next speaks. 13:56:53 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 13:56:53 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 14:22:51 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #sbcl 14:39:01 tcr1 [~tcr@gprs57.swisscom-mobile.ch] has joined #sbcl 14:51:19 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #sbcl 15:02:06 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:25 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-0-140.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #sbcl 15:54:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-0-140.monradsl.monornet.hu] has left #sbcl 15:59:15 Blkt [~user@160.80.120.102] has joined #sbcl 15:59:57 good day everyone 16:08:15 hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has joined #sbcl 16:22:04 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-161-64-51.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #sbcl 16:22:16 G'morning all. 16:24:27 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:52 hi nyef! 16:37:37 Hello antifuchs. 16:38:03 I ended up looking at your git-workflow stuff last night after all. 16:38:15 yeah, I noticed! (: 16:38:39 your point about both git and version.lisp-expr being missing is good. I've pushed a fix (: 16:38:51 (and small fixes and improvements for release.sh as well) 16:39:40 You know what else is missing? A description of the proposed check-in procedure. 16:40:10 hm. 16:40:24 mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #sbcl 16:40:32 ok: 1) git add files. 2) git commit them. 3) git push to the repo? 16:40:44 or are you asking about non-committer contributors? 16:41:46 No, commiter check-ins. 16:41:53 well, that. 16:42:20 if pushing fails, git pull --rebase (or merge, as indicated) and retry 16:42:40 Mmm. 16:43:02 magit.el is an awesome interface to git, btw 16:43:07 it is! 16:43:09 highly recommended 16:43:10 *antifuchs* <3 magit 16:43:17 *fe[nl]ix* too 16:43:18 Doesn't that invalidate a third of your argument for not rewriting the version numbers on push? 16:43:33 (Clearly, I should look at magit, then.) 16:43:37 nyef: ah, no, I wasn't talking about that in the paragraph 16:43:54 Hmm... Okay. 16:43:56 nyef: when you push and the repo hook rewrites the commits, the commit IDs will be different 16:44:03 Ah, right. 16:44:07 So they will. 16:44:12 that means when you pull, it will look as if your repo and the origin had diverged 16:44:23 then you rebase and you get conflicts, and so on (: 16:45:16 what's the argument for minor version numbers anyway? 16:45:51 jsnell: knowing how much you got done in this release cycle (: 16:46:08 That, and familiarity: We've always done it that way. 16:46:09 (I'm assuming you're asking about the X in 1.0.45.X (-:) 16:46:21 right 17:05:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #sbcl 17:06:26 -!- Blkt [~user@160.80.120.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:29:18 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.113] has joined #sbcl 17:29:18 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 17:30:24 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 17:35:05 yeah, the familiarity argument has more pull with me than you'd imagine: I'd have to reach into areas of boinkmarks that I haven't touched in ages to adapt them (: 17:35:42 Speaking of, is there some way to add new benchmarks to boinkmarks? 17:35:53 send them to me, and I'll include them (: 17:35:56 Ah. 17:36:20 And is there some way to make the UI not so dreadful? 17:36:21 well... send a pull request - boinkmarks is on github.com/antifuchs/autobench (: 17:37:36 (note: the relevant branch is "modernize") 17:38:00 yeah, reach into the ht/ directories (: 17:38:38 (Where, by "dreadful", I mean it's slow, needs to constantly be reloaded after almost any operation, gets lost with respect to the current zoomed release, or lack thereof...) 17:38:54 hmm. slowness is due to my machine, I believe 17:39:02 2GB isn't enough for everybody 17:39:22 640k should be enough for everybody! 17:39:45 inorite 17:40:06 but then, it's a few hundred megabytes of raw data that need to be collated... 17:40:46 at some point it would be fun for some enthusiastic student to redo the classification of benchmarks analysis 17:40:48 That's a fair point. 17:40:51 actually, more than that. and I could alter the db schema to be less dreadful 17:40:57 do we have any enthusiastic students any more? 17:41:04 Krystof: that would be great indeed. 17:41:17 It'd be nice to have more benchmarks for things like local functions. 17:41:32 or benchmarks that measure useful stuff! (: 17:41:49 it'd be nice to run the benchmarks and collect coverage information, too 17:41:55 Mmm. Useful, like unwind-protect overhead and operation cost. 17:42:02 Or, again, local functions! 17:42:24 well, yeah. I was referring to the legendary uselessness of most other benchmarks in the suite (: 17:44:02 -!- redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:20 ASau` [~user@95-26-230-11.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 18:13:38 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-147-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:42 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-115.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:14:48 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 18:17:06 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 18:18:40 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:21:04 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-115.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 18:36:50 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:07:11 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@gprs57.swisscom-mobile.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:20:58 I think weve recently hit a slump in enthusiastic students. 19:26:32 ... recently? 19:26:45 fsvo (: 19:34:36 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 19:43:59 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #sbcl 19:43:59 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 19:51:28 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:52 I kinda like this tool: http://speed.pypy.org/ 20:01:17 hey, sweet 20:01:51 that looks really good. 20:02:59 If you can stomach using Django/Python to serve up speedtest results for lisp, you can use it too. :) 20:03:58 I have no problem using the right tool for the job 20:04:12 when I started autobench, it didn't look like there was a right tool for the job though (: 20:04:15 *stassats* is unhappy that links are not links there 20:04:16 so this is awesome (: 20:04:30 and i can't open them in a new tab 20:04:50 stassats: yes, web 4.0 is pretty crappy. 20:05:03 maybe web 5.0 will suck less again 20:05:21 github's code browser stuff is pretty web 5.0ish 20:05:25 maybe that can be skinned 20:05:49 foom: that's called "just html" now (: 20:05:59 "web of possibilities" 20:06:01 antifuchs: github's codebrowser is anything but just html! 20:06:15 it has pretty sliding transitions and ajax loading 20:06:23 foom: well, the things enabling it are in the standard that was formerly called HTML5 (: 20:06:23 ...but still has real URLs, and doesn't break open in new tab 20:06:47 (which is now called "just html" or something. living standard. hah) 20:06:49 antifuchs: ah, of course. You're right. It's just HTML (the new one). 20:07:02 *stassats* can't stand this sliding, it's slow and does nothing 20:07:07 such a naming trainwreck (: 20:07:10 And luckily everything supports HTML already, woo! 20:07:40 amazing what you can do with old technology 20:25:43 -!- jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has left #sbcl 20:26:52 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #sbcl 20:47:50 Blkt [~Blkt@dynamic-adsl-94-37-227-177.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #sbcl 21:05:57 gonzojive [~red@171.66.89.199] has joined #sbcl 21:09:56 -!- |3b|` is now known as |3b| 21:31:34 mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #sbcl 21:36:41 ok... are we consensed that leaving the NEWS file process as it is would not hurt too much? 21:37:03 Not sure if my vote counts, but it works for me :D 21:37:08 heh 21:37:39 I'd like to investigate alternatives, like the commit annotations... but that seems like it has problems with pushing corrections as well 21:37:41 I would prefer to leave NEWS as is and worry about the infinite merge conflicts as and when they happen 21:37:51 yeah 21:37:56 I'd also like the document to describe a policy about merges vs rebases on the master repository 21:38:13 i.e. do we allow merges into master, or do we rebase ruthlessly? 21:38:27 rebase your own stuff before pushing, merge other repositories. 21:38:31 (is my suggestion) 21:39:02 yea, allow merges. 21:39:22 or rather, merge branches when they're done 21:40:12 But avoid merging a branch that contains multiple features at the same time. 21:40:45 a policy about accepting and signing patches from non-committers would also be nice 21:40:59 signing? 21:41:14 adding S-o-b lines? 21:42:13 so far we commit with attribution. 21:42:45 IMO commit --author is much nicer 21:42:51 I guess that's the reverse of S-o-b. 21:45:07 no, the two are complementary 21:48:04 yeah. which meaning should we use? S-o-b the SBCL committer accepting the patch, Author: the person who made it? 21:48:24 (ISTR git.git had it the other way around? that never made sense to me) 21:48:34 I don't know what s-o-b ... oh yes I do now 21:48:47 ("signed-off by" for those slower than me) 21:49:04 those s-o-bs (: 21:49:08 antifuchs: you don't need S-o-b unless you have a formal review process where more than one person needs to approve the patch 21:49:32 I think the usual convention is Author+S-o-b and then S-o-b by committer 21:49:50 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:52 git already has two things: author and committer. 21:49:55 fe[nl]ix: for a formal review process, there's gerrit anyway (: 21:50:00 othewise, commits turn out like this: http://common-lisp.net/gitweb?p=projects/iolib/iolib.git;a=commit;h=3ad9fc2c3360b19f729788ae936a0f6efb85562a 21:50:01 oh, ok then. 21:50:18 that looks good to me 21:50:21 (+1) 21:50:28 the "Committer" field is an implicit S-o-b 21:50:38 Reviewed-by: antifuchs ? 21:50:48 froydnj: ...but somebody else has to approve! 21:51:13 antifuchs: and doesn't gerrit add S-o-b fields ? 21:52:10 fe[nl]ix: I don't think it does. ours appends a few things, though. "Reviewed-by", "Tested-by" and stuff. 21:53:04 whose "ours" ? 21:53:20 franz (: 21:53:30 coming over here, stealing our developers 21:53:39 franz uses git ? 21:54:04 wow, that's unexpectedly uncoservative :D 21:54:14 switched a few years ago, even! 21:55:11 *antifuchs* giggles 21:55:42 Krystof: pssst, we're actually setting sbcl up for a not-so-hostile takeover. 21:55:54 but... git is free ;) 21:56:08 once sbcl has an official git repo, we'll just do an octopus merge 21:56:11 haha 21:56:19 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 21:56:25 TENTACLES EVERYWHERE 22:06:57 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 22:28:13 redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #sbcl 22:49:00 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-109.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 22:51:29 Krystof: what are you hacking on SBCL-wise these days? 22:51:32 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-115.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:56:45 *nyef* expects that the answer is "making a living, so that SBCL hacking might continue at a later time". 22:57:39 we don't hack on sbcl to make a living, we make a living so we can hack on sbcl! 22:57:44 (to paraphrase walt disney) (: 22:58:55 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:08:10 -!- gonzojive [~red@171.66.89.199] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 23:12:16 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:40:40 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-109.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:56:25 gonzojive [~red@171.66.82.5] has joined #sbcl