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Thanks. 16:48:41 meanwhile I look for another bug to work on 16:57:21 I took a look, but I don't really understand the first thing about printing floaty numbers. 16:57:27 Sorry. 16:58:08 -!- Blkt` is now known as Blkt 16:59:03 nyef: do you mean my explaination? 16:59:37 I mean the whole thing. 16:59:54 I don't have the background to even know why it's a bug. 17:01:39 sbcl output mismatches ansi spec 17:01:55 about the explaination, I am not very fluent in English, it is my fault 17:06:51 nyef: thanks anyway 17:07:38 No, no. I'm largely unfamiliar with floaty number representations in the first place. Entirely not your fault. 17:12:18 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:24:28 davazp: so have you run cl-ansi-tests? 17:25:15 mega1: I only run sbcl tests. how to I run them? 17:26:31 I'll do it then. 17:26:51 "cl-ansi-tests" is a project on common-lisp.net 17:32:54 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 17:34:32 I find it's often easier to review diffs created with diff -b. 17:35:03 Of course, that's not suitable as a patch. 17:36:32 Mmm. diff -u, always. 17:38:27 Can you tell by looking at the attached diff what the change really was? 17:39:05 He removed the first branch of the cond and the whole thing got reindented. 17:39:24 Ahh. Yeah, I guess that'd be easier to see that way. 17:39:32 I usually use M-x ediff in emacs 17:39:49 mega1: do you read the comments at launchpad? I explained the changes in the last comment 17:39:57 I did. 17:40:19 I remember wanting to fix some of the same bugs myself. 17:41:16 It felt like a house of cards. 17:42:22 I read the cited paper and with some care it works. I think it was only bug I could try to fix 17:42:57 since it is not internal to the compiler 17:46:31 If you want something to tweak that isn't internal to the compiler, I believe that ROOM is still a toxic waste dump. 17:48:17 I will take a look, but I would like to be able to hack internal code. 17:49:03 The various backends aren't excessively hard to work with if you know a bit of assembler. 17:50:48 have you some specific bug or task in mind? suggestions are welcome 17:52:32 ... Nope, sorry. Unless maybe you'd like to improve the x86 and x86-64 disassemblers? 17:55:53 it could be nice 18:02:51 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #sbcl 18:02:51 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o nikodemus 18:14:44 mega1: let me know when you run cl-ansi-tests, please 18:15:17 or even better, post a comment to the bug in lp 18:15:33 it has finished 18:15:37 no regressions 18:16:16 great, thanks 18:17:32 nikodemus: we talk about the https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/308961 bug 18:17:32 nikodemus: 18:18:11 maybe I was not very clear in my last comment. If you need better explaination, please, let me know 18:18:29 but, I would like my efforts in contributing are not lost 18:21:06 davazp: i'm not really here -- making dinner. but we don't want your efforts to be lost either, even if it might sometimes look otherwise! 18:29:59 And, hey, they're in the bug tracker, so they can't ever be entirely lost. 18:30:31 Blkt` [~user@net-93-145-56-137.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #sbcl 18:32:51 -!- Blkt [~user@net-93-145-58-238.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:33:35 yeah, don't worry. I want only to put a bit of pressure :-) 18:41:24 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-40.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 18:44:33 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-175-238.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58:37 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-40.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:01:17 -!- davazp [~user@15.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:55 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-40.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 19:23:41 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-217-249.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:49 Blkt`` [~user@net-93-151-235-133.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #sbcl 19:26:14 -!- Blkt` [~user@net-93-145-56-137.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:58:45 OK, so SBCL has traditionally made releases by having an "empty" commit with "1.0.400: will be tagged as sbcl_1_0_400" as the message 19:59:08 yep 19:59:18 do we want to keep it like this? 19:59:36 Said "empty" commit also updates version.lisp-expr, of course. 19:59:44 yeah, that. 20:00:01 is this in context of moving to git, or keeping with cvs? 20:00:02 except, heh, the "TODO" section of release.sh doesn't list that (: 20:00:07 the former 20:00:35 And doesn't something happen with NEWS as well? 20:00:53 depends on how to the first line of NEWS has been maintained 20:01:08 I see some awk magic, but I don't see the script modifying NEWS 20:01:33 but yeah - NEWS is updated. interesting. 20:02:04 if NEWS is autogenerated, do we still want to generate and commit a fresh one for each release? 20:02:23 uh, it isn't autogenerated 20:02:36 i ment in the future 20:02:37 (not yet at least, and the procedure I'm writing up doesn't autogenerate it) 20:02:46 yeah, I don't want to think about that yet (: 20:02:55 ok 20:08:56 re. your question -- if there's a better process, I don't think we *need* an separate release commit 20:09:45 Having a release commit to update the version number doesn't seem to be an unpopular choice. 20:09:57 yeah, it makes sense 20:11:00 yeah, I think I have a plan for how release.sh should work now. that might just be ok after all 20:11:09 so, time to do laundry & write this up. 20:13:20 -!- Blkt`` [~user@net-93-151-235-133.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Quit: ERROR: do not makunbound t please!] 20:51:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #sbcl 21:28:50 -!- redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44:38 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.128.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:47:36 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:47:37 kaek [~b@c-70cae253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #sbcl 22:04:22 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:07:38 kclifton [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #sbcl 22:32:10 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.128.160] has joined #sbcl 23:19:40 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.128.160] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 23:43:34 Krystof [~csr21@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 23:43:42 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof