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16:29:22 NetBSD. 16:29:42 I see. well, NetBSD != sbcl 16:29:43 *stassats`* checks the channel name 16:29:52 I understand. 16:30:09 Just wanted to point to yet another way. :) 16:31:01 do you *really* want to store the whole netbsd tree in a single sqlite db ? 16:31:19 Some of us are doing it already. 16:43:54 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@212.47.174.118] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:59:09 ASau` [~user@95-27-147-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #sbcl 17:00:15 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-147-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:04:09 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 17:14:57 antgreen` [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #sbcl 17:23:06 fe[nl]ix: is a bunch of bytes in various files managed by sqlite really any worse than a bunch of bytes in various files managed by git? just sayin'... 17:25:20 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 17:25:29 slyrus: I trust a kernel to keep the integrity of a tree of files much more than I trust sqlite 17:26:36 the file systeem is not transactional, you are trusting git's transaction logic 17:26:52 thanks mega1 :) 17:27:08 not that I'm advocating against git, mind you, just sayin'... 17:27:45 and I'm just being pedantic. I still don't trust sqlite. 17:28:08 they say sqlite has an enormous amount of tests 17:28:44 they have no trust in their abilities then :-) 17:29:20 mega1: git doesn't modify existing files. its integrity guarantees rely entirely on rename(2) being atomic 17:29:25 nothing more complex than that 17:30:08 I was referring to the intra file relationships, the consistency of the whole repo. 17:31:16 relying on rename this way only means that when the pieces fall on the floor, you can still piece them together in theory 17:32:10 Or are the transactions so dead simple that they can be aborted at any time? 17:43:20 mega1: the data is write once, so a transaction consists of adjoining files to the content-addressable store (which doesn't have to be atomic), and updating the index (a single rename). 17:43:24 (iiuc) 17:45:48 if it's that simple then it's harder to FUD git 17:59:45 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:46 -!- antgreen` [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:00 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #sbcl 18:38:40 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-125.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:49 svn's fsfs used to be that simple too. it's gotten a lot more complicated now, though. 18:52:18 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:53:35 foom: sounds like it was retrofitted onto the whole scheme, though. I guess a thing designed to work with the file system in teh first place would be easier to get right 18:53:50 what do you mean retrofitted? 18:53:59 it was the second content store they supported, yes. 18:54:25 well, that 18:55:12 Anyways, that's not where svn's major failings lie. That part works pretty well. :) 18:56:15 I was pretty surprised when I ran across fossil a year ago. 18:56:27 it seems pretty completely under the radar. 18:59:09 it has some interesting features, like distributed bug tracking, that aren't common. 18:59:58 yeah, that bit is neat 19:01:16 foom: agreed about the failings (: 19:20:57 foom: you unearthed it? :) 19:27:11 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-125.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl 19:41:36 -!- tsuru` is now known as tsuru 20:41:14 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-142-248.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:25 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.66.206.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:45:15 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-66-206-178.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #sbcl 20:53:47 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-66-206-178.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:54:50 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-66-206-178.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #sbcl 21:08:05 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-180-240.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #sbcl 21:11:18 gah, silly asdf 21:38:40 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 22:22:04 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:14:33 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-180-240.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:21:14 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38:40 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #sbcl 23:40:00 hargettp [~hargettp@mobile-166-137-137-123.mycingular.net] has joined #sbcl 23:44:52 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@mobile-166-137-137-123.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:50:34 hargettp [~hargettp@mobile-166-137-137-123.mycingular.net] has joined #sbcl 23:51:44 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@mobile-166-137-137-123.mycingular.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:57:16 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-125.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:59:04 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-125.netcologne.de] has joined #sbcl