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It should be written as: http://paste.lisp.org/+34EO 2015-02-06T14:40:15Z pjb: pillton: (your call is wrong to, but this cannot be dealt with inside the function). 2015-02-06T14:41:43Z enitiz joined #lisp 2015-02-06T14:42:09Z attila_lendvai: dlowe: you mean that I should extend the go language itself with new keywords? I want something much simpler... unless it's possible to extend the language in a file as part of the project, but I doubt that... but correct me if I'm wrong! 2015-02-06T14:42:50Z dlowe: let's take this to privmsg since it's not at all lispy 2015-02-06T14:43:55Z pjb: minion: memo for playnu_com_ar: ecl, as installed in your Common Lisp REPL application, doesn't have access to gcc, therefore it cannot compile to C and then to native. Instead, it compiles to byte code (or just interprets the code). ccl can't just interpret the code, so it has to compile always. 2015-02-06T14:43:55Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell playnu_com_ar when he/she/it next speaks. 2015-02-06T14:45:01Z pjb: minion: memo for playnu_com_ar: ecl doesn't change the semantics, there's very little difference between interpreted and compiled code allowed in conforming implementations. Cf. http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/03_bbc.htm 2015-02-06T14:45:01Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell playnu_com_ar when he/she/it next speaks. 2015-02-06T14:46:16Z pjb: attila_lendvai: emacs. 2015-02-06T14:46:23Z pjb: attila_lendvai: of course, emacs is the answer to all questions. 2015-02-06T14:46:48Z pjb: attila_lendvai: but seriously, you can hack your own macro expansion system over any kind of sources in emacs, or use elpp. 2015-02-06T14:47:14Z badkins joined #lisp 2015-02-06T14:47:15Z psy_ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T14:48:57Z pjb: attila_lendvai: ftp://ftp.informatimago.com/users/pjb/lisp/elpp.tar.bz2 2015-02-06T14:51:43Z ehu: for those not subscribed to clo-devel@ let me paste the link here (once): https://mailman.common-lisp.net/pipermail/clo-devel/2015-February/000161.html (proposal for direction on common-lisp.net) 2015-02-06T14:52:08Z nopf quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-02-06T14:52:46Z nopf joined #lisp 2015-02-06T14:54:21Z pjb: I'd suggest to use gitorious (ie. install gitorious, this is free software, on common-lisp.net). 2015-02-06T14:54:58Z Mon_Ouie joined #lisp 2015-02-06T14:55:33Z ehu: pjb: gitlab is fre too, isn't it? 2015-02-06T14:55:42Z pjb: I don't know it. 2015-02-06T14:56:14Z pjb: One would have to compare them. 2015-02-06T14:57:49Z Guest69221 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-02-06T14:58:07Z pjb: perhaps gitlab. http://www.boxuk.com/blog/a-tale-of-three-git-systems/ 2015-02-06T15:01:31Z gko__ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:01:53Z ehu: gitlab is built on top of gitolite 2015-02-06T15:02:20Z ehu: anyway, for those who want that, I'll be working on CL api bindings 2015-02-06T15:02:31Z ehu: to improve interaction with common-lisp.net. 2015-02-06T15:03:02Z Soft quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev) 2015-02-06T15:04:18Z ehu: pjb: but other than the choice of the toolset, what about the general idea and direction? 2015-02-06T15:04:50Z Soft joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:05:03Z Denommus quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-02-06T15:05:41Z intinig quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-06T15:05:57Z intinig joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:09:47Z thatsnotjack joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:10:46Z BitPuffin quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-06T15:11:12Z BitPuffin joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:14:22Z kobain joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:17:19Z Lokathor_ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:17:19Z Lokathor joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:21:57Z rhllor joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:22:44Z pjb: ehu: I need to read the message and think about it. 2015-02-06T15:28:27Z oleo is now known as Guest51060 2015-02-06T15:30:07Z Ven joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:30:11Z oleo__ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:31:37Z Guest51060 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-06T15:31:48Z yenda joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:32:00Z the_real_intinig joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:32:19Z the_real_intinig is now known as intinig_ 2015-02-06T15:32:21Z oleo__ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-06T15:34:45Z oleo__ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:35:01Z oleo__ is now known as oleo 2015-02-06T15:35:27Z intinig quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-06T15:36:17Z lispyone joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:38:03Z yenda: is cl-store the way the proper way to go to serialize lists of complex floats and retrieve them later ? 2015-02-06T15:38:25Z lispyone quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T15:39:01Z lispyone joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:39:05Z pjb: yenda: that would depend if your file format has to be "portable" or not. 2015-02-06T15:39:33Z fantazo joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:41:04Z Xach: yenda: it's one easy way. but you can also use print and read for them, if they are just lists of numbers. 2015-02-06T15:41:50Z pt1 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-06T15:42:28Z pjb: and anyways, some implementations may have problems with :element-type '(complex double-float) and more with (complex float). 2015-02-06T15:44:44Z mvilleneuve joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:46:47Z ebrasca quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T15:48:36Z Adlai` joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:48:45Z adlai quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-06T15:50:21Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-06T15:51:15Z yenda: Xach: it's amazing 2015-02-06T15:52:04Z a20150204 joined #lisp 2015-02-06T15:53:18Z yenda: I could have juste read/write them directly in files from the beginning :D 2015-02-06T15:53:36Z tharugrim quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev) 2015-02-06T15:55:21Z ehu: pjb: that would be much appreciated. 2015-02-06T15:55:27Z zadock quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-06T15:55:59Z xan_ quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-02-06T15:57:04Z yenda: Xach: I guessed I missed part of the meaning of "code is data" 2015-02-06T16:03:39Z yenda: So you can even do some logging and monitoring by using just print/read ? 2015-02-06T16:03:49Z antgreen joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:05:57Z k-stz joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:06:39Z pjb: yenda: what do you think? Would it be possible? 2015-02-06T16:06:45Z devll joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:07:52Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:09:37Z yenda: for instance if I have a function that runs with a big collections of bitmaps I could print the bitmap into a file at every loop to follow what's happening 2015-02-06T16:09:50Z pjb: of course. 2015-02-06T16:10:35Z yenda: I can't believe I didn't realize that before :D 2015-02-06T16:10:47Z pjb: yenda: notice how inconvenient PRINT is to print anything for human consumption! If only that, try: (progn (print "hello") (print "word")) 2015-02-06T16:10:53Z pjb: why do you think it's so? 2015-02-06T16:11:27Z oGMo: logging and monitoring don't necessarily mean reading raw logs by humans :p 2015-02-06T16:11:47Z mishoo_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:12:01Z pjb: PRINT is designed for debugging logging and in general serialize data to be read back by READ. 2015-02-06T16:12:02Z tajjada joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:12:03Z oGMo: it could be pretty reasonable to log that way and easily have a log monitor/processor in CL 2015-02-06T16:12:06Z yenda: I know, Now I'm like. Waow. Both amazed by the possibilities and the fact that I missed it and used a wierd binary file 2015-02-06T16:12:39Z oGMo: yenda: binary files are nice too, but it depends entirely on your situation 2015-02-06T16:13:55Z oGMo: also note not everything can be printed readably 2015-02-06T16:14:45Z Lokathor_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:15:25Z Lokathor quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:17:10Z yenda: yes but I can format can't I ? 2015-02-06T16:17:24Z radioninja quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:17:25Z tharugrim joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:17:26Z oGMo: you can do whatever you need 2015-02-06T16:19:32Z yenda: and format is just a pretty print ? 2015-02-06T16:19:38Z pjb: No. 2015-02-06T16:19:55Z pillton quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:20:00Z pjb: yenda: perhaps we could entice you to read http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_.htm 2015-02-06T16:20:22Z oGMo: and/or Practical Common Lisp, i swear it covers all this 2015-02-06T16:20:28Z enitiz joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:20:37Z pjb: or any other tutorial actually. 2015-02-06T16:20:40Z hekmekk quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2015-02-06T16:20:57Z badkins quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-06T16:21:00Z oGMo: does PCL not cover READ/WRITE? 2015-02-06T16:21:06Z yenda: It's wierd, it's not like I didn't understood what they were doing, I just missed the potential 2015-02-06T16:21:28Z oGMo: sure, often takes seeing something used to realize potential 2015-02-06T16:21:30Z mishoo joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:21:37Z guaqua``` joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:21:45Z pjb: it's a mind set, when learning about something to think about its possible uses and their consequences. 2015-02-06T16:21:48Z guaqua``` is now known as guaqua 2015-02-06T16:21:49Z yenda: I actually started PCL but I also had the urge to start my IA project 2015-02-06T16:21:53Z badkins joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:22:13Z pjb: A mind set that's not normally developed in front of a TV or a iPad, but in front of a programmable computer terminal… 2015-02-06T16:23:07Z theseb joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:23:46Z oGMo: yenda: writing code is definitely good, too many people just keep reading books and never actually write anything 2015-02-06T16:24:27Z oGMo: yenda: probably skim PCL or similar (even skim CLHS table of contents etc) to get a good idea of things that might be useful at some point 2015-02-06T16:24:52Z oGMo: also read other code, M-. is a wonderful thing 2015-02-06T16:25:13Z oGMo: you'll learn a ton of these things by looking at "how does X do Y" 2015-02-06T16:25:13Z badkins quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-06T16:26:11Z yenda: I use M-. already, it's awesome but my code doesn't have dependencies yet 2015-02-06T16:26:29Z oGMo: it probably depends on common-lisp ;) 2015-02-06T16:31:01Z zadock joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:31:22Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:34:08Z munksgaard quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:41:23Z theos quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-02-06T16:41:52Z theos joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:42:15Z JuanDaugherty quit (Quit: Hibernate, etc.) 2015-02-06T16:42:19Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:43:57Z JuanDaugherty joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:45:46Z cadadar quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:46:56Z nell joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:47:47Z cadadar joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:48:07Z Ragnaroek quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-06T16:49:51Z DrCode quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:49:55Z lispyone quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T16:50:38Z Ragnaroek joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:50:43Z cadadar quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-06T16:51:13Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:51:28Z aretecode quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:51:32Z lieven quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:51:35Z zadock quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:51:41Z lispyone_ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:51:46Z fridim_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-06T16:51:48Z lieven joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:52:10Z zadock joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:52:33Z fridim_ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T16:55:43Z Ven quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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https://github.com/kozross/awesome-cl and would welcome suggestions and help on its outstanding issues, because I don't know enough to fix them myself. 2015-02-06T21:15:38Z Xach: xcvb is not a going concern any more. 2015-02-06T21:16:09Z koz_: Xach: Dead project? 2015-02-06T21:16:38Z Xach: Nobody bought into it, so the xcvb maintainer took over asdf and stuffed much of it into asdf. 2015-02-06T21:17:01Z koz_: OK, I'll remove it. Thanks. 2015-02-06T21:17:17Z thodg quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-06T21:21:38Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-06T21:22:14Z ehu quit 2015-02-06T21:22:21Z mega1`: do you know of a library to print integers as human readable sizes such as "1.5G"? 2015-02-06T21:29:17Z faheem_ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:29:28Z angavrilov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T21:30:48Z ehu joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:32:05Z nell quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev) 2015-02-06T21:36:21Z kcj joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:36:24Z jgrant quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T21:37:49Z toors joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:38:51Z Grue`: koz_: so it's like cliki except less comprehensive? 2015-02-06T21:39:27Z koz_: Grue`: I've found CLiki to be not so well-organized and a fair bit harder to navigate. 2015-02-06T21:39:58Z rhllor quit (Quit: rhllor) 2015-02-06T21:40:24Z jgrant joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:41:15Z jgrant quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T21:41:33Z asoneth quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1) 2015-02-06T21:41:40Z jgrant joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:42:12Z jgrant quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T21:42:34Z jgrant joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:43:11Z housel quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-06T21:43:53Z Bicyclidine quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-06T21:44:07Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:49:00Z Alfr quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-06T21:49:41Z kuzy000_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-06T21:49:54Z jgrant quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T21:50:15Z jgrant joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:50:48Z joga quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-06T21:50:54Z freehck joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:51:44Z freehck: hello everybody! ) 2015-02-06T21:51:48Z joga joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:51:51Z koz_ left #lisp 2015-02-06T21:52:29Z freehck: Today I have no problems. Just come here to be among people. ) 2015-02-06T21:52:33Z Beltxarga joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:52:58Z BitPuffin quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-06T21:55:14Z housel joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:55:19Z innertracks quit (Quit: innertracks) 2015-02-06T21:55:39Z pjb: freehck: you may try #lispcafe then. 2015-02-06T21:55:41Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-02-06T21:56:56Z innertracks quit (Client Quit) 2015-02-06T21:58:13Z taspat` is now known as taspat 2015-02-06T22:00:04Z jgrant is now known as xjg 2015-02-06T22:00:34Z xjg is now known as xxjg 2015-02-06T22:00:47Z xxjg is now known as xxxjg 2015-02-06T22:01:19Z Jesin quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-06T22:01:36Z pi- joined #lisp 2015-02-06T22:05:07Z Jesin joined #lisp 2015-02-06T22:08:05Z bb010g quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-02-06T22:10:06Z mrSpec quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-06T22:10:22Z cpc26_ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T22:11:11Z cpc26__ joined #lisp 2015-02-06T22:11:49Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-06T22:11:58Z cpc26 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-06T22:13:37Z pjb: mega1`: I have that from an old program: http://paste.lisp.org/+34EU 2015-02-06T22:14:12Z xxxjg is now known as jgrant 2015-02-06T22:14:28Z mega1`: pjb: thanks. 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You have to be careful of not calling pathname functions before the pathname subsystem is initialized. 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There's force-output there. 2015-02-07T02:35:06Z pjb: Perhaps it'd be preferable to use finish-output before a read. 2015-02-07T02:35:49Z pjb: You should use unwind-protect when you want to change state temporarily. 2015-02-07T02:36:11Z |3b|: also, for cases where MAP doesn't fit, you can LOOP ACROSS strings 2015-02-07T02:36:15Z Xach: please consider using system files 2015-02-07T02:36:59Z nydel: (i'm reading all this please go on just looking up some concepts i might have missed along the way so i can react/respond appropriately...) 2015-02-07T02:37:09Z |3b|: or babel:string-to-octets 2015-02-07T02:37:21Z pjb: Why don't you suppress-local-echo? 2015-02-07T02:37:32Z Xach: nydel: please consider naming magic numbers. 255 254 and 1 should be symbolically referenced. 2015-02-07T02:37:41Z Xach: and all the others, too 2015-02-07T02:37:52Z nydel: pjb: isn't that what i'm sending as an IAC 2015-02-07T02:38:09Z pjb: no. suppress-local-echo is 45, not 1. echo is 1. 2015-02-07T02:38:13Z |3b|: or a bivalent stream and just write strings 2015-02-07T02:38:16Z nydel: Xach: oh ok, like *TELNET-IAC* as 255 etc 2015-02-07T02:38:38Z nyef joined #lisp 2015-02-07T02:38:47Z nydel: oh wow, so IAC DO 45/suppress is probably the thing there 2015-02-07T02:38:53Z nydel: not IAC DONT ECHO 2015-02-07T02:38:59Z Xach: nydel: it makes the code pretty hard to follow when you use bare numbers like that. and even then, you should add some layers on top so it's not just bare write-byte/write-sequence etc. 2015-02-07T02:39:25Z pjb: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc857 vs. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rfced-exp-atmar-00 2015-02-07T02:39:49Z Xach: like (send-iac stream :dont :echo) or something similar where it makes sense. 2015-02-07T02:40:18Z pjb: nydel: when the telnet client works in line mode (eg. the default for telnet(1)), then it performs the echo locally. 2015-02-07T02:40:19Z nydel: Xach: oh that'll be much better, thank you 2015-02-07T02:40:40Z |3b| assumed those '(255 . .) were some hand-encoded utf8 or something, so names would probably be good there :) 2015-02-07T02:40:45Z kraehe: you might also want to read about IAC GA in line mode telnet 2015-02-07T02:41:13Z Big_G quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-07T02:41:19Z Xach: you can get stuff done by just immediately doing what must be done 2015-02-07T02:41:39Z Xach: it just gets really hard to follow sometimes. and that makes it hard to fix if things aren't going well. 2015-02-07T02:41:43Z nydel: (ha, knowing you're going to rewrite something can really make you sacrifice readability, i'm realizing) 2015-02-07T02:42:46Z Quadrescence: having symbolic names is a good idea so the compiler errors if you make a mistake, like here (make-array 5 :element-type 'character :initial-contents (list +character-upper-x+ +character-lower-a+ +character-lower-c+ +character-lower-h+ +character-exclamation-point+)) 2015-02-07T02:44:04Z rtra joined #lisp 2015-02-07T02:44:32Z nydel: i wonder if maybe i should write a telnet library separate first since i seem to be doing most of that anyway 2015-02-07T02:44:35Z pjb: nydel: have a look at: (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.ascii:ascii-format "Password: ") 2015-02-07T02:44:41Z Xach: Quadrescence: too subtle for me 2015-02-07T02:45:10Z aduadu quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-07T02:45:21Z pjb: nydel: what about com.informatimago.common-lisp.telnet? 2015-02-07T02:46:15Z pjb: (there's also another telnet library). 2015-02-07T02:46:51Z Neet quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-07T02:46:54Z emaczen: is quicklisp dependent on SBCL? 2015-02-07T02:47:01Z pjb: Nope. 2015-02-07T02:47:08Z nydel: oh i forgot about this one pjb i think maybe you linked me earlier on before i was doing much telnet things 2015-02-07T02:47:23Z emaczen: I'm using ABCL right now, and I can't use it like I usually would in SBCL. 2015-02-07T02:47:30Z Xach: emaczen: no 2015-02-07T02:47:45Z Xach: emaczen: it should work fine in abcl. but not every library works as well in abcl as in sbcl. 2015-02-07T02:48:15Z Xach: emaczen: what in particular is acting badly? 2015-02-07T02:49:02Z emaczen: Xach: It's just that when I start SBCL I can type (ql:load-system ... ) and I can't do this in ABCL 2015-02-07T02:49:22Z pjb: (ql:quickload :system) is the API I know. 2015-02-07T02:49:37Z nydel: emaczen: did you do setup in abcl and require quicklisp in your abcl config 2015-02-07T02:49:40Z Xach: emaczen: you have a bit in your init file for sbcl that loads quicklisp. if you add the same to your abcl init file, youc an. 2015-02-07T02:49:44Z emaczen: pjb: Yes, the above isn't the right syntax 2015-02-07T02:50:00Z emaczen: where is my SBCL init file? 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But that is a magic, quicklisp-only thing. 2015-02-07T03:56:32Z Xach: new asdfs do something similar for things in ~/common-lisp/ 2015-02-07T03:57:32Z emaczen: Xach: Gotchya -- I've done some symlinking before for asdf. 2015-02-07T03:58:01Z nyef: Hello and good night, beach. 2015-02-07T03:58:12Z nyef quit (Quit: Why am I still awake?) 2015-02-07T03:58:15Z emaczen: I found some specific instructions for this ABCL add-on and everything just worked 2015-02-07T03:58:30Z emaczen: Are they any other ABCl users here? 2015-02-07T03:59:15Z arboris joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:01:17Z Xach: emaczen: there are sometimes a few here. i think there is also an abcl channel. the mailing list is quite responsive and helpful. 2015-02-07T04:03:21Z emaczen: Xach: Thanks, I found the channel. 2015-02-07T04:06:18Z PaulCapestany joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:10:48Z joshmcmillan_ joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:11:28Z JokesOnYou77_ joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:12:01Z oleo is now known as Guest72520 2015-02-07T04:13:45Z oleo__ joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:13:58Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-07T04:13:59Z JokesOnYou77_ quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2015-02-07T04:15:31Z Guest72520 quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-07T04:15:57Z JokesOnYou77 quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-02-07T04:16:50Z theseb joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:17:23Z akkad looks for advice on better () placement on keyboard layout 2015-02-07T04:17:32Z montyxcantsin joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:18:32Z Big_G joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:19:31Z JokesOnYou77 joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:20:27Z zacts quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-07T04:21:32Z jlongster joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:24:06Z JokesOnYou77: Hi all 2015-02-07T04:24:09Z gko__ joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:24:54Z beach: Hello JokesOnYou77 2015-02-07T04:26:32Z wenincode joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:32:56Z JokesOnYou77_ joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:34:16Z innertracks1 joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:35:14Z Puffin quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-07T04:35:23Z devll joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:35:59Z cluck quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-07T04:36:52Z innertracks quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-02-07T04:37:17Z JokesOnYou77: Hi beach, any progress on non-locking hash-tables? 2015-02-07T04:38:25Z beach: JokesOnYou77: No, unfortunately not. I was trying a quick test to see whether it could be faster than native SBCL #'EQ hash tables without much effort on my part. Not so, unfortunately. And now I must work on my papers and on Cleavir. 2015-02-07T04:39:57Z emaczen: Does anyone here know how to use MVN in ABCL? 2015-02-07T04:40:49Z aduadu joined #lisp 2015-02-07T04:44:12Z pjb: Damned, I just implemented a function that is already in CL… 2015-02-07T04:45:36Z csziacobus quit (Quit: csziacobus) 2015-02-07T04:45:39Z aduadu quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-07T04:45:50Z JokesOnYou77: pjb, What was it? And it's comforting to hear that I'm not the only one who does that by accident lol 2015-02-07T04:46:00Z pjb: make-sequence :-) 2015-02-07T04:46:34Z JokesOnYou77: beach, I'm sorry to hear that but I'm sure youll get another chance later as well. 2015-02-07T04:46:44Z beach: Sure, no problem. 2015-02-07T04:47:46Z beach: pjb: Not only is it in SBCL. It is in the Common Lisp HyperSpec too. 2015-02-07T04:48:06Z beach: Oh, that's what you said. Sorry. 2015-02-07T04:48:17Z beach: I misread. Not quite awake yet. 2015-02-07T04:49:56Z beach: The good news on the Cleavir front is that I now know how to deal with constants. And the way I came up with makes the rest of the code simpler, because I treat constants the same way as I treat closed-over variables. 2015-02-07T04:50:22Z MrWoohoo quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2015-02-07T04:50:36Z beach: Furthermore, I know how to unify the code for the "in-core" compiler and the file compiler. 2015-02-07T04:54:27Z beach: I am a bit nervous though that I might have forgotten some issue. I think this is the third or fourth time I go back and forth between doing transformations at the AST level and doing them at the HIR level. 2015-02-07T04:59:02Z impulse quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-07T05:06:07Z impulse joined #lisp 2015-02-07T05:09:46Z JokesOnYou77: beach, what's the HIR? 2015-02-07T05:10:04Z JokesOnYou77: I'm assuming AST is the Abstract Syntax Tree? 2015-02-07T05:10:48Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-07T05:12:52Z pjb: IR = Intermediate Representation in compiler lingo. 2015-02-07T05:13:11Z pysnow530 joined #lisp 2015-02-07T05:13:14Z pjb: Hence, HIR, MIR, CLEARVIR. 2015-02-07T05:13:28Z JokesOnYou77 finds himself wishing he'd taken more CS in school 2015-02-07T05:13:41Z pjb: Or read the Dragon book. 2015-02-07T05:14:11Z pjb: --> Compiler Principles Techniques and Tools, Aho et al. http://dragonbook.stanford.edu/ 2015-02-07T05:15:01Z JokesOnYou77: Oh sweet, ty 2015-02-07T05:15:23Z JokesOnYou77: I have heard of this...jsut not actually tried it yet. But leistening here has made me more interested 2015-02-07T05:28:03Z fridim_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-07T05:28:05Z beach: JokesOnYou77: What pjb said. H is for High-level, M is for Medium-level. 2015-02-07T05:28:26Z JokesOnYou77: Ok 2015-02-07T05:28:27Z pjb: And CLEARV ? 2015-02-07T05:28:47Z beach: It is "Cleavir", pronounced like Cleaver. 2015-02-07T05:29:02Z beach: "Razor-sharp tools for compiler construction" :) 2015-02-07T05:29:10Z beach: cf SICL. 2015-02-07T05:29:15Z pjb: Common Lisp Excelent And Really Virtual - 2015-02-07T05:29:30Z beach: No R in the middle. 2015-02-07T05:29:37Z pjb: Oh. 2015-02-07T05:29:46Z pjb: Common Lisp Excelent And Virtual - Intermediate Representation. 2015-02-07T05:29:57Z beach: Sure, why not. 2015-02-07T05:32:44Z djinni` joined #lisp 2015-02-07T05:33:32Z JuanDaugherty joined #lisp 2015-02-07T05:35:42Z Jesin joined #lisp 2015-02-07T05:37:03Z montyxcantsin quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-07T05:37:29Z beach: The other good news about Cleavir is that, although it is handling captured variables and constants in a particular way, that way is not in conflict with the way it is done by some existing Common Lisp implementation. Therefore, such an implementation can have some code compiled with a Cleavir-based compiler, and some by another compiler. 2015-02-07T05:38:07Z beach: I am sure drmeister will appreciate that for instance. :) 2015-02-07T05:39:23Z drmeister: I do 2015-02-07T05:39:36Z beach: Heh! Hello drmeister. 2015-02-07T05:41:00Z drmeister: Hello. I'm just reading The Martian by Andy Weir - what a great story! 2015-02-07T05:43:18Z arboris quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-07T05:43:36Z JokesOnYou77: drmeister, It's amazing! 2015-02-07T05:43:42Z JokesOnYou77: I listened to the audiobook 2015-02-07T05:45:02Z JokesOnYou77: You should write a funtion (maybe visualize with vecto) for his food production, survival likelihood etc. over time :P 2015-02-07T05:45:45Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-07T05:49:20Z beach: drmeister: To answer your question "how long will it take to implement the changes?", it is basically already done. However, I am pretty sure that there are some consequences on the AST interpreter, on the HIR interpreter, on the extrinsic HIR compiler, etc, etc., so I must check that they still work and make adjustments as required. 2015-02-07T05:51:10Z drmeister: Excellent. 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I have installed sbcl and cl-split-sequence. At the sbcl repl, (clc:clc-require :split-sequence) says "Package CLC does not exist.". What am I doing wrong? 2015-02-14T14:24:37Z nyef: mgv: Using CLC. 2015-02-14T14:24:53Z nyef: CLC is dead, may it rot. 2015-02-14T14:25:13Z beach: Oh, the Common Lisp Controller. Yes, dead indeed. 2015-02-14T14:25:20Z mgv: it's what the README.Debian file for cl-split-sequence said I should use. how should I load split-sequence instead? 2015-02-14T14:25:26Z devll joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:25:36Z mgv: [ I don't know any common lisp ] 2015-02-14T14:25:37Z pjb: beach: a[i] is equivalent to *(a+i). 2015-02-14T14:26:20Z beach: pjb: Thanks (I guess). 2015-02-14T14:26:25Z pjb: Perhaps he just uses aᵢ and it's transcribed as a[i]? 2015-02-14T14:26:34Z beach: mgv: You should use Quicklisp. 2015-02-14T14:26:37Z H4ns: mgv: you should use quicklisp. http://beta.quicklisp.org/ 2015-02-14T14:26:44Z mgv: okay, thanks 2015-02-14T14:26:59Z enitiz joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:27:01Z nyef: Also? File a bug on the cl-split-sequence README.Debian file. d-: 2015-02-14T14:27:04Z sword``` joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:27:09Z beach: mgv: And you should install SBCL from binaries on sourceforge. 2015-02-14T14:27:21Z mgv: is system sbcl that bad? 2015-02-14T14:27:32Z beach: mgv: In case you are thinking of using Debian package manager. 2015-02-14T14:27:43Z beach: mgv: Bad? How? 2015-02-14T14:27:57Z mgv: well, you said I should install it from sourceforge instead of the Debian package manager 2015-02-14T14:28:14Z beach: How does that make SBCL bad? 2015-02-14T14:28:15Z mgv: therefore, the sbcl from debian is (probably) bad 2015-02-14T14:28:24Z beach: It is not up to date. 2015-02-14T14:28:25Z mgv: system sbcl == sbcl installed from Debian repo 2015-02-14T14:28:34Z mgv: oh, okay 2015-02-14T14:28:36Z H4ns: mgv: if you install it from sourceforge, you'll not run into any trouble with clc 2015-02-14T14:28:42Z pjb: On the other hand, clisp from debian is up to date. :-) 2015-02-14T14:29:06Z sword`` quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-14T14:29:06Z H4ns: mgv: the system sbcl tries to use clc by default, and you would really want to avoid that. 2015-02-14T14:29:08Z dmitigr joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:29:12Z beach: mgv: Well, I should say that this is the usual advice. I don't know about the Debian package manager. It *could* be up to date. 2015-02-14T14:29:17Z pjb: You will also have to reserve all your first sunday of everymonths there on to update sbcl. 2015-02-14T14:29:19Z mgv: okay. sourceforge it is, then 2015-02-14T14:29:31Z mgv: thanks everyone! 2015-02-14T14:29:45Z pierre1_ joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:30:12Z taylanub: dim: CCL = Clozure CL? 2015-02-14T14:30:59Z beach: pjb: Tu exagères! 2015-02-14T14:31:30Z pjb: :-) 2015-02-14T14:31:39Z eni joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:31:51Z beach: I update SBCL when I install a new OS, every other year or so. 2015-02-14T14:32:03Z pjb: They still have montly updates, so if you install from sf.net because debian is out of date, you might want to keep it up to date montly. 2015-02-14T14:32:26Z pjb: taylanub: try: ccl -n -e '(lisp-implementation-type)' # and tell us what you think? 2015-02-14T14:35:47Z ThePhoeron quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-02-14T14:38:00Z cadadar quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-02-14T14:39:14Z LiamH joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:40:15Z ThePhoeron joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:42:29Z dafunktion joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:43:00Z zolk3ri left #lisp 2015-02-14T14:46:32Z justanotheruser quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-14T14:47:09Z vaporatorius joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:47:24Z justanotheruser joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:48:18Z pierre1_ quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-14T14:49:45Z cadadar joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:51:33Z taylanub: pjb: I don't have it installed? :) 2015-02-14T14:53:24Z dafunktion quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T14:55:39Z pjb: C'est un tort! 2015-02-14T14:56:10Z pjb: (remove-if-not (lambda (name) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.string:prefixp "r" name)) (bt:all-threads) :key (function bt:thread-name)) 2015-02-14T14:56:30Z Krystof quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-02-14T14:56:45Z Xof joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:56:55Z zolk3ri joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:57:23Z zolk3ri: pjb: What would be the best way (performance-wise) to list all sb-threads whose name begins with "X"? 2015-02-14T14:57:27Z pjb: (ql:quickload '(:bordeaux-threads :com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum)) (remove-if-not (lambda (name) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.string:prefixp "X" name)) (bt:all-threads) :key (function bt:thread-name)) 2015-02-14T14:57:39Z zolk3ri: pjb: Thank you, Sir! 2015-02-14T14:58:04Z zhangyh26258 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T14:59:44Z monod joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:59:47Z schaueho joined #lisp 2015-02-14T14:59:55Z pjb: An easy way to do it is: (map nil 'print (bt:all-threads)) 2015-02-14T15:00:08Z pjb: but of course, you can write commands to make it nicer more easily. 2015-02-14T15:00:14Z nyef: If you're restricting yourself to SBCL, surely you don't need BT? 2015-02-14T15:00:31Z pjb: Surely you need portability libraries in all cases. 2015-02-14T15:00:39Z nyef: minion: Advice on portable? 2015-02-14T15:00:40Z minion: #12017: It doesn't need to be portable, it just needs to work on your system. 2015-02-14T15:01:11Z nyef: There's also the matter of portable vs. ported. 2015-02-14T15:01:38Z recycle_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:01:56Z pjb: everytime you use a package specific package when a portability library would have done, a truckload of kittens is passed thru the shredder. 2015-02-14T15:01:59Z badkins joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:02:19Z recycle joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:02:23Z nyef: Wrong! 2015-02-14T15:02:38Z nyef: Every portability library is an extra dependency. Dependencies suck. 2015-02-14T15:03:14Z pjb: On the contrary. sb-thread is a dependency that suck a ton, on sbcl. 2015-02-14T15:03:30Z pjb: bt is a modularity factor, since you don't depend on the implementation anymore. 2015-02-14T15:04:16Z antgreen` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T15:04:28Z nyef: So, asses: How hard is it to convert from sb-thread to bt for these use-cases? 2015-02-14T15:05:27Z nyef: I've written stuff that uses SB-ALIEN and SB-UNIX (private-to-sbcl) functions for FFI. Someone ported it to CFFI. It certainly didn't LOOK like it was hard to do. 2015-02-14T15:05:27Z pjb: nyef: you've never heard of death by a thousand cuts. 2015-02-14T15:06:11Z nyef: Death by a thousand dependencies. 2015-02-14T15:06:26Z pjb: As I said, bt is not a dependency. It's an independency! 2015-02-14T15:06:35Z nyef: It's a dependency. 2015-02-14T15:07:04Z nyef: It's an extra thing that you have to have installed in order to run something else: A dependency. 2015-02-14T15:12:03Z JohnRimbaud quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:14:46Z alecigne quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T15:15:26Z pjb: nyef: I don't write programs in sbcl, I write programs in Common Lisp. 2015-02-14T15:15:40Z pjb: I never run CL code on a single implementation. Never. 2015-02-14T15:16:00Z nyef: In which case you need the portability layer. But the opening question was SBCL-specific. 2015-02-14T15:16:13Z nyef: What's important for you is not necessarily important for everyone else. 2015-02-14T15:16:46Z pjb: That was his question, but this is MY answer. Hence the point of asking in #lisp and not in private. 2015-02-14T15:17:12Z nyef: Remember, I opened up with "if you're restricting yourself to SBCL, surely you don't need the portability layer" 2015-02-14T15:19:54Z pjb: I find it very inconvenient when people write implementation specific code. Therefore I would advocate strongly NOT to do that! 2015-02-14T15:20:35Z pjb: Do not restrict yourself to sbcl. You WILL feel the pain, and I will feel the pain! And therefore it would be very bad kharma. 2015-02-14T15:21:28Z nyef: ... My karma ran over your dogma. d-: 2015-02-14T15:21:51Z gendl quit (Quit: gendl) 2015-02-14T15:22:31Z eni quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-14T15:24:22Z monod quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:25:15Z drmeister: Good morning everybody! 2015-02-14T15:25:27Z nyef: Hello drmeister. 2015-02-14T15:27:47Z Ethan- quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:28:22Z smith_ joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:28:57Z dmitigr: hey drmeister 2015-02-14T15:30:56Z zadock quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-14T15:31:40Z keen__________62 joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:32:49Z keen__________61 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:33:12Z moore33 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-14T15:34:52Z chen_traveler joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:36:52Z dmitigr quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:38:34Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:38:41Z soggybread quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:39:30Z Oveja joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:42:22Z enitiz joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:44:30Z moore33 joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:45:19Z soggybread joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:46:44Z taylanub: can anyone help me with failing SBCL tests? http://sprunge.us/HhOS the bottom four are likely related to the restricted build environment of Guix, but when calling get-protocol-by-name with an intentionally nonexistent protocol, it seems to get an unexpected errno instead of the designated exception. might it be e.g. a Linux extension to getprotobyname(3) which SBCL doesn't recognize? 2015-02-14T15:47:11Z schaueho quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:48:12Z EvW joined #lisp 2015-02-14T15:48:46Z johann quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T15:52:53Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-14T15:53:27Z smith_ quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2015-02-14T15:55:16Z nyef: taylanub: That's odd. Can you look through the output/building-contrib.sb-bsd-sockets or whatever it's called and see if it says what errno it's looking at? There's half a chance that it's something like the restricted build environment blocking access to a file needed by getprotobyname(). 2015-02-14T15:55:27Z cadadar quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-02-14T15:59:44Z taylanub: nyef: a Guix developer suggested it's probably because /etc/protocols doesn't exist in the build environment 2015-02-14T16:01:27Z nyef: ... Sounds about right, and was what I was trying to get at. 2015-02-14T16:04:50Z Xof quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T16:08:46Z dafunktion joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:10:35Z kons quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-14T16:12:23Z kobain joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:12:24Z Ven quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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When it's done, then I take a deep dive into Clojure/Cider. 2015-02-14T16:50:27Z Shinmera: Hearing you say that pains me. 2015-02-14T16:50:32Z kushal quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-14T16:50:45Z ReneFroger: Sorry, it's just my initial impression from what I get. 2015-02-14T16:50:47Z pjb: There are much more web sites written in CL than in Clojure. CL had a 30 year web development advantage. 2015-02-14T16:51:06Z ReneFroger: So why do I never read about it? 2015-02-14T16:51:14Z pjb: Because it poses no problem. 2015-02-14T16:51:23Z chen_traveler quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-02-14T16:51:28Z kons joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:51:40Z pjb: You find questions on stackoverflow, only of the languages that are so badly designed, that they bring more problems than solutions. 2015-02-14T16:51:55Z ReneFroger: Another thought is that it's ultimately better to join the forces, instead cluttering the development 2015-02-14T16:51:58Z pjb: Also, have a look at #lispweb 2015-02-14T16:52:25Z ReneFroger: So with Clojure, we have a huge advantage to target the JVM, when there are already many actively mantained Java libraries developed 2015-02-14T16:52:44Z emaczen: pjb: I also plan (and have made some decent strdies) to use Clojure for web dev. 2015-02-14T16:52:49Z ReneFroger: In Clisp, you need to develop that all, which can be time consuming 2015-02-14T16:53:05Z pjb: all what? 2015-02-14T16:53:31Z ReneFroger: The plugins, like Excel converter, and so much on 2015-02-14T16:53:38Z pjb: And why do you want to use clisp for web development? (you can, but you would probably be better served by ccl or sbcl for web servers). 2015-02-14T16:53:47Z emaczen: One issue I have run into with CL is getting a good SQL library to work... something you shouldn't spend time on when you are trying to make a website 2015-02-14T16:53:47Z ReneFroger: There are existing and well maintained Java libraries for that 2015-02-14T16:53:51Z pjb: There's CFFI for libraries. 2015-02-14T16:54:21Z pjb: Anyways, if you want to use clojure, we don't have anything more to say here, this is #lisp, for Common Lisp questions. Go to #clojure. 2015-02-14T16:54:41Z chen_traveler joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:54:41Z chen_traveler quit (Changing host) 2015-02-14T16:54:41Z chen_traveler joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:54:42Z emaczen: With Clojure, there was a SQL library that worked out of the box and was lispy 2015-02-14T16:54:55Z emaczen: i.e. someone designed a pretty nice DSL for it 2015-02-14T16:55:05Z moore33: Aren't there several SQL thingies for CL? 2015-02-14T16:55:19Z pjb: With CL there are SEVERAL sql libraries working out of the box and lispy. 2015-02-14T16:55:20Z emaczen: moore33: I couldn't get clsql-mysql to build 2015-02-14T16:55:34Z emaczen: I also tried cl-mysql and it was awkward 2015-02-14T16:55:49Z moore33: I was thinking of the Postgres one. 2015-02-14T16:56:21Z nyef: The best program for interacting with mysql is /bin/rm. 2015-02-14T16:56:37Z pjb: (incf nyef) 2015-02-14T16:56:41Z emaczen: haha 2015-02-14T16:56:56Z Ralt: what's the replacement then? 2015-02-14T16:56:57Z ReneFroger: pjb, thanks for the suggestion. I 2015-02-14T16:57:15Z ReneFroger: I'm just saying that I'm trying to explore the Lisp and their derivates world 2015-02-14T16:57:31Z ReneFroger: I will ask some questions in #elisp channel 2015-02-14T16:57:35Z kons quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T16:57:56Z emaczen: nyef: I didn't know any better at the time when I chose a database for a project I was working on 2015-02-14T16:58:14Z pjb: Strange, the badness of mysql is described all over the web… 2015-02-14T16:58:20Z kons joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:58:23Z nyef: emaczen: And now you do. Time to migrate to postgresql. 2015-02-14T16:58:39Z Ralt: emaczen: for SQL, I like to write my queries by hand... but there are "ORMs" like postmodern 2015-02-14T16:58:59Z kons quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T16:59:12Z kons joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:59:26Z hugod quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T16:59:31Z johann joined #lisp 2015-02-14T16:59:33Z emaczen: nyef: I have started, but the project I am working on now in CL is more of a learning exercise that should be useful for me one day, so all I wanted to do earlier this week was get data out of MySQL and do some statistics on it. 2015-02-14T16:59:42Z nyef: ORMs are an astoundingly bad, yet horribly seductive idea. 2015-02-14T17:01:31Z zacharias quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-14T17:03:36Z emaczen: pjb: Also at the time I hardly knew anything about software (I stil don't know that much) 2015-02-14T17:04:00Z johann quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-02-14T17:04:04Z pjb: That's the problem with popularity. 2015-02-14T17:04:44Z emaczen: Yeah, I'm just glad I found out about lisp :) 2015-02-14T17:04:59Z emaczen: and emacs 2015-02-14T17:06:04Z mishoo_ joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:09:50Z paradoja joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:10:35Z Grue`: emaczen: try datafly, it should work with mysql 2015-02-14T17:11:22Z Grue`: https://github.com/fukamachi/datafly 2015-02-14T17:11:24Z emaczen: Grue`: Thanks! I'm going to go with nyef's advice and switch to postgres 2015-02-14T17:11:36Z emaczen: In the mean time, I just wrote a sufficient chunk to a text file 2015-02-14T17:11:42Z Grue`: well, you can use it with postgres too 2015-02-14T17:12:08Z dafunktion quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T17:12:26Z Grue`: i don't know whether i like datafly/sxql's or postmodern's syntax more 2015-02-14T17:13:34Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:17:09Z fantazo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2015-02-14T17:25:13Z nalssee quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-02-14T17:27:05Z nalssee joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:32:21Z pt1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T17:34:09Z xrash joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:37:49Z Ralt: hi 2015-02-14T17:38:04Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:38:15Z emaczen: So, I have a method that I want to be called inside initialize-instance 2015-02-14T17:38:15Z Ralt: I'd like to run a swamp server with open ports on the internet, so that I can access it from my emacs... but security scares me. Is there any common solution for this? 2015-02-14T17:38:48Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-14T17:38:48Z pjb: emaczen: if that's a method dispatching on the same object, then consider NOT doing that. 2015-02-14T17:39:09Z pjb: Given that inside initialize-instance, the object won't be completely initialized in general. 2015-02-14T17:39:16Z moore33: emaczen: Is there some reason for it not to be an after method? 2015-02-14T17:39:16Z Ralt: why did I say swamp? I meant swank... 2015-02-14T17:39:21Z attila_lendvai quit (Client Quit) 2015-02-14T17:39:31Z pjb: Even in tail call: there could be subclasses having to finish initialization. 2015-02-14T17:39:44Z emaczen: the method inside is a multi-method 2015-02-14T17:40:15Z Ralt: hm... I should just use an ssh tunnel 2015-02-14T17:40:20Z nyef: Ralt: Leave the ports bound to loopback only, and, yeah, ssh tunnel. 2015-02-14T17:40:33Z pjb: The point is that your generic function could need slot that are not initialized yet, notably in subclasses. 2015-02-14T17:40:33Z Ralt: ty 2015-02-14T17:40:47Z moore33: emaczen: Ok, how about calling the method from an after method on initialize-instance? 2015-02-14T17:41:06Z pjb: So try NOT to do that. You may use a function. Or split your protocol: (further-setup (make-instance 'your-class)) 2015-02-14T17:42:08Z emaczen: moore33: my initialize instance does specify :afte 2015-02-14T17:42:11Z emaczen: :after 2015-02-14T17:42:16Z emaczen: Is that the same thing? 2015-02-14T17:43:01Z emaczen: If my understanding is correct, it will call the most general defmethods first and then call the method I am trying to work with 2015-02-14T17:43:14Z pjb: :after has the same problem. Notably, a lot of classes will use :after for completing the initialization, so in initialize-instance :after, the object may not be finished. 2015-02-14T17:43:18Z emaczen: most general initialize-instances* 2015-02-14T17:43:22Z pjb: You'd have better luck in a :around method. 2015-02-14T17:43:32Z pjb: But (further-setup (make-instance 'your-class)) is much preferable. 2015-02-14T17:44:14Z enitiz joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:44:33Z emaczen: moore33: what is an after method in the context you are describing? 2015-02-14T17:45:53Z pjb: emaczen: `http://pupeno.com/2007/09/06/common-lisp-method-composition/ 2015-02-14T17:46:42Z moore33: emacsen: (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((obj my-object)...) 2015-02-14T17:47:27Z moore33: emacsen: Standard idiom for code that you want to execute at object creation time. 2015-02-14T17:48:03Z emaczen: moore33: Yes that's what I have. 2015-02-14T17:48:29Z emaczen: pjb: You are saying that even though I have specified :after, it might not be initialized? 2015-02-14T17:48:30Z moore33: emaczen: Are you having a problem calling the method you want from that? 2015-02-14T17:49:15Z emaczen: The method inside initialize-instance takes two objects that are the superclass of the type that initialize-instance is specializing on. 2015-02-14T17:49:19Z Patzy joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:49:23Z haplo` quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-02-14T17:49:55Z Patzy quit (Client Quit) 2015-02-14T17:50:01Z moore33: emaczen: It follows the method combination rules, based on the class precedence list. By the time you get to your after method, the initialize-instance after methods associated with superclasses will have been called. 2015-02-14T17:50:04Z Patzy joined #lisp 2015-02-14T17:50:13Z moore33: emaczen: So you should be good. 2015-02-14T17:51:28Z moore33: The object is as initialized as you could expect it to be. You shouldn't be counting on initialization of subclasses or other classes off in the class precedence list; that is not good design. 2015-02-14T17:52:39Z emaczen: Sweet! Now the question is, how do I pass two objects to this inside method? The first one is the object specialized by initialize-instance. initialize-instance only takes one object and then &rest arguments according to the hyperspec 2015-02-14T17:52:43Z oudeis quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-02-14T17:53:08Z moore33: It takes keyword arguments, of course. 2015-02-14T17:53:17Z emaczen: I could make a "hacked" solution by passing a symbol/keyword and then using (find-class) 2015-02-14T17:53:34Z emaczen: I want to say there is a common solution to this though? 2015-02-14T17:53:41Z emaczen: or a best practice? 2015-02-14T17:54:08Z moore33: Uh, don't you want to pass this second object as an arg in the call to make-instance of your object? 2015-02-14T17:55:22Z emaczen: So my object does not have this second object as a slot 2015-02-14T17:55:29Z emaczen: If that is what you mean 2015-02-14T17:55:40Z emaczen: It is only needed for initialization. 2015-02-14T17:55:41Z moore33: It doesn't need to be in a slot. 2015-02-14T17:55:56Z moore33: (make-instance 'foo :helper-obj bar) 2015-02-14T17:56:26Z moore33: (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((obj foo) &key helper-obj) ...) 2015-02-14T17:56:50Z emaczen: moore33: Ok, I think that should word! 2015-02-14T17:56:52Z emaczen: thanks! 2015-02-14T17:57:01Z moore33: No prob. 2015-02-14T17:57:14Z moore33: bbl 2015-02-14T17:57:18Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-14T18:00:59Z radioninja joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:05:52Z fantazo joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:07:00Z Ven_ quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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You can hide that in a make- constructor function, and subclasses will have to do the same. 2015-02-14T18:20:47Z hugod joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:21:06Z hugod is now known as Guest73024 2015-02-14T18:21:41Z grantix- joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:23:09Z emaczen: pjb: Ahh, I'll try the make-class solution then. 2015-02-14T18:23:16Z emaczen: Is that a common practice for this type of problem? 2015-02-14T18:23:33Z pjb: There are not 36 solutions. 2015-02-14T18:23:53Z pjb: But really, do you need to call this method in the initializer? 2015-02-14T18:24:04Z pjb: make-instance should not do anything, but create an instance. 2015-02-14T18:25:02Z emaczen: initialize-instance should initialize them though right? 2015-02-14T18:25:14Z pjb: Yes. 2015-02-14T18:25:17Z pjb: just initialize. 2015-02-14T18:25:19Z emaczen: and make-instance calls initialize-instance 2015-02-14T18:25:24Z pjb: yes. 2015-02-14T18:26:01Z emaczen: What is wrong with initializing them based on the values of other objects (other than the issue you pointed out)? 2015-02-14T18:26:36Z pjb: Nothing. Just don't call a generic function dispatching on the object being initialized. 2015-02-14T18:27:13Z pjb: This is not specific to lisp. In any OO language, you take the risk of a crash if you call a method on an object being initialized. 2015-02-14T18:27:26Z Patzy joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:27:30Z pjb: (and similarly, being deallocated, when there's a protocol for that). 2015-02-14T18:27:59Z octophore_ joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:27:59Z octophore_ quit (Excess Flood) 2015-02-14T18:28:27Z octophore_ joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:29:37Z pnpuff joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:30:24Z octophore quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-14T18:32:07Z grantix- quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T18:32:23Z pnpuff quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-02-14T18:33:43Z grantix joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:37:17Z dmitigr joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:38:15Z emaczen: wait pjb: 2015-02-14T18:38:48Z emaczen: Shouldn't all objects be initialized since I am passing them into initialize-instance? 2015-02-14T18:39:11Z pjb: You didn't say that you were calling a generic function on other objects. 2015-02-14T18:39:21Z pjb: You said you were calling a generic function on the object being initialized. 2015-02-14T18:39:46Z emaczen: I'm going to make a paste.lisp -- it is hard to explain 2015-02-14T18:40:07Z emaczen: I also think this is improtant enough to warrant a paste.lisp 2015-02-14T18:44:17Z emaczen: http://paste.lisp.org/display/145762 2015-02-14T18:44:34Z emaczen: data-table is a subclass of data-source 2015-02-14T18:44:49Z pjb: yep, this is bad. 2015-02-14T18:45:06Z radioninja quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-14T18:45:13Z emaczen: bad what? 2015-02-14T18:45:53Z pjb: (defclass my-dtr (data-table) ((x :accessor my-dtr-x))) (defmethod parse-data ((dtr my-dtr)) (my-dtr-x dtr) #|boom|#) 2015-02-14T18:46:22Z cadadar joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:46:38Z pjb: Instead, you should write: (setf (slot-value dtr 'parsed-stuff) (parse-data :other-data-source)) 2015-02-14T18:46:54Z Ven quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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If his "functional" suggestion isn't practical, then you can write the make-data-table function (or generic function) suggested above, or just have the table loading be an additional function in your protocol. 2015-02-14T18:57:46Z ASau joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:58:00Z zacharias joined #lisp 2015-02-14T18:59:58Z taylanub: does sb-ext:run-program search PATH by default? 2015-02-14T19:01:09Z nyef: taylanub: According to (describe 'sb-ext:run-program), no, you'll need to specify :SEARCH T. 2015-02-14T19:01:48Z pinterface quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-02-14T19:04:07Z pt1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T19:08:12Z nalssee quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-14T19:08:44Z cadadar joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:10:22Z jjkola joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:10:34Z defaultxr joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:10:39Z jjkola: hi guys 2015-02-14T19:11:13Z grantix quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-14T19:12:07Z nalssee joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:12:27Z pjb: hi guy 2015-02-14T19:12:56Z jjkola: :D 2015-02-14T19:19:24Z taylanub: are executables created with sb-executable supposed to be portable across systems that have some version of SBCL installed? they work by creating an executable starting with "#!/bin/sh" and "exec sbcl ..." 2015-02-14T19:20:11Z moore33 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-14T19:23:57Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T19:24:22Z ggole quit 2015-02-14T19:24:39Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:24:39Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2015-02-14T19:24:39Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:24:42Z attila_lendvai quit (Client Quit) 2015-02-14T19:24:58Z nyef: taylanub: I'd rather expect them to need at least the same version of SBCL with the same build settings, if not the same actual build. 2015-02-14T19:25:21Z taylanub: that's interesting 2015-02-14T19:25:23Z nyef: taylanub: If you're looking for distributability, the :executable option to save-lisp-and-die might be better. 2015-02-14T19:28:35Z resttime joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:29:44Z cluck joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:30:09Z AntiSpamMeta_ is now known as AntiSpamMeta 2015-02-14T19:31:01Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-02-14T19:32:43Z koko_geek_ish joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:46:31Z innertracks joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:51:25Z qubitnerd quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-14T19:52:32Z cadadar quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-02-14T19:52:33Z jjkola: it seems I found a bug in SBCL but looks like it has been fixed in master because I wasn't able to reproduce it with latest code 2015-02-14T19:52:42Z dmitigr quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.0.50.12)) 2015-02-14T19:54:55Z dmitigr joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:56:17Z Shinmera quit (Quit: しつれいしなければならないんです。) 2015-02-14T19:57:17Z jjkola: http://paste.lisp.org/+34H0 2015-02-14T19:58:17Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-14T19:58:24Z zagura joined #lisp 2015-02-14T19:58:35Z jjkola: the first one (repeat-1) worked fine but the second one (repeat-2) caused an error even though the parameters were numbers 2015-02-14T19:59:01Z zagura left #lisp 2015-02-14T19:59:24Z jjkola: but after updating to the latest version from version control the second one worked without problems 2015-02-14T20:01:12Z Poenikatu joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:01:37Z arenz joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:01:53Z Poenikatu: Has anybody initialised GTK+ using the CCL GTK+ database? 2015-02-14T20:05:15Z hitecnologys quit (Quit: hitecnologys) 2015-02-14T20:07:41Z nyef: jjkola: If you're curious, you might try bisecting to find where it got fixed. 2015-02-14T20:08:53Z pt1 joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:12:44Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:12:44Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2015-02-14T20:12:44Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:20:10Z arenz quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-14T20:20:39Z devll quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T20:20:39Z Poenikatu quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2015-02-14T20:26:28Z cadadar joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:30:21Z pyx joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:30:34Z pyx quit (Client Quit) 2015-02-14T20:32:32Z enitiz joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:34:29Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-14T20:34:30Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T20:35:48Z ReneFroger quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T20:35:58Z Tordek quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-02-14T20:39:22Z ASau joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:39:38Z ASau quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T20:39:56Z Tordek joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:40:20Z EvW joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:40:52Z pegu` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-14T20:41:08Z radioninja quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-14T20:41:18Z ASau joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:42:42Z pegu` joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:44:40Z pjb joined #lisp 2015-02-14T20:47:15Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2015-02-15T03:29:37Z Anniepoo hands Zamenhof popcorn 2015-02-15T03:31:46Z dmiles_afk: What are the essential symbols i need to write the rest of lisp? 2015-02-15T03:32:19Z dmiles_afk: Is there a lisp library somewhere that I can use with these symbols defined? 2015-02-15T03:32:48Z dmiles_afk: (that will bring about CL if loaded) 2015-02-15T03:33:16Z dmiles_afk: Somewhere I have heard this number is low as 25 special forms 2015-02-15T03:33:24Z zacharias quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-02-15T03:33:24Z zRecursive joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:33:28Z drmeister: dmiles_afk: I'm not sure what you are asking. There are 978 symbols in Common Lisp. 2015-02-15T03:33:51Z drmeister: There's a lot more to it than just 25 special forms. 2015-02-15T03:33:56Z Bike: special forms are just control stuff. for CL you need a bunch of library functions. 2015-02-15T03:34:04Z Zamenhof joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:34:11Z dmiles_afk: i dont mind downlaodign a library 2015-02-15T03:34:19Z zacharias joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:35:17Z dmiles_afk: as long as i could get a minimalist list of operators and special functions i needed to supply 2015-02-15T03:35:59Z zhangyh26258 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-15T03:36:11Z harish joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:36:51Z dmiles_afk: i dont mind if it doesnt have an C or OS functionaly 2015-02-15T03:37:04Z badkins_ joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:37:16Z dmiles_afk: i meant FFI or OS functionaly in the CL it would run 2015-02-15T03:37:24Z drmeister: dmiles_afk: 2015-02-15T03:37:32Z drmeister: dmiles_afk: Here you go: https://gist.github.com/drmeister/f659142660283bd912d7 2015-02-15T03:39:32Z nyef: dmiles_afk: Are you looking for a specification of a "kernel" to implement and a library to load on top of that to get a common lisp system? 2015-02-15T03:39:38Z dmiles_afk: that list is actually not that big! unliess deftype needed a whole interpretor to implmen t 2015-02-15T03:39:46Z kcj joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:39:56Z dmiles_afk: nyef: exactly 2015-02-15T03:40:30Z badkins quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-15T03:40:35Z stardiviner joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:40:36Z nyef: I don't believe that there is one. 2015-02-15T03:41:44Z dmiles_afk: i swear i have been lied to at least 6 times in the last 30 years that this existed :) but then whenever i look or ask i see it dont 2015-02-15T03:42:20Z dmiles_afk: its not really a lie since every system is based on this truth 2015-02-15T03:43:29Z dmiles_afk: but i am looking i guess for some finite set. that is less than 40% 2015-02-15T03:43:43Z silenus23 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-15T03:44:50Z dmiles_afk: if i had one that did not contain any macros like deftype.. i'd be happy 2015-02-15T03:45:03Z zhangyh26258 joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:45:12Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-15T03:45:34Z Zamenhof: dmiles_afk: read this and tell me if this helps https://sep.yimg.com/ty/cdn/paulgraham/jmc.lisp 2015-02-15T03:45:57Z Zamenhof: http://www.paulgraham.com/diff.html 2015-02-15T03:47:12Z Zamenhof: the rest is left as an exercise for the reader 2015-02-15T03:47:17Z dmiles_afk: well sure .. i implment eq/2 'quote etc 2015-02-15T03:47:36Z dmiles_afk: "Assumes only quote, atom, eq, cons, car, cdr, cond." 2015-02-15T03:48:05Z dmiles_afk: if that list was 980 items containing no macros i'd even be happy 2015-02-15T03:48:45Z dmiles_afk: i already implemted Assumes only quote, atom, eq, cons, car, cdr, cond. and i even implmented a few more 2015-02-15T03:49:11Z dmiles_afk: actully here is part of my implmentation.. 2015-02-15T03:49:26Z silenus23 joined #lisp 2015-02-15T03:51:04Z dmiles_afk: i wrote it for a pure scheme interp written in C.. 2015-02-15T03:51:30Z nyef: minion: lisp500? 2015-02-15T03:51:31Z minion: lisp500: A 500-line-or-less implementation of a basic Lisp, available at http://www.modeemi.fi/~chery/lisp500/ 2015-02-15T03:51:52Z nyef: Aww... 404. /-: 2015-02-15T03:52:35Z zRecursive left #lisp 2015-02-15T03:53:09Z antonv quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-15T03:54:43Z dmiles_afk is runbnign find . -name common.lisp 2015-02-15T03:56:51Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-02-15T03:57:21Z dmiles_afk: http://pastebin.com/n5phGKbU 2015-02-15T03:57:23Z dmiles_afk: there it is 2015-02-15T03:58:21Z dmiles_afk: but even with all that i never made it to CL 2015-02-15T03:58:36Z dmiles_afk: since i needed a library that i could simply target 2015-02-15T04:00:26Z erikc joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:00:29Z dmiles_afk: i am seign if https://github.com/avshabanov/lisp800 works 2015-02-15T04:00:34Z erikc quit (Client Quit) 2015-02-15T04:01:39Z keen__________63 joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:02:18Z dmiles_afk: and this is neat https://github.com/jackpal/lisp5000 2015-02-15T04:02:33Z keen__________62 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-15T04:02:44Z Petit_Dejeuner__: it sounds like a type of car 2015-02-15T04:02:49Z Petit_Dejeuner__: or race 2015-02-15T04:06:32Z JuanDaugherty quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-15T04:07:03Z JuanDaugherty joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:09:03Z dmiles_afk: nyef: thank you thank thankyou 2015-02-15T04:09:08Z clintm: a race car? 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2015-02-15T04:36:43Z dmiles_afk: hehe what is the status does it do clos? 2015-02-15T04:37:03Z dmiles_afk: or i mean i wonder if a project to get it to do clos exists 2015-02-15T04:37:14Z nyef: If it doesn't then grab closette and start from that. 2015-02-15T04:37:40Z nyef: It seems that closette is the go-to sample implementation of CLOS that new implementations use these days. 2015-02-15T04:38:43Z dmiles_afk: great idea then 2015-02-15T04:38:54Z Harag joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:39:02Z Beetny quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-15T04:39:22Z dmiles_afk: wow lisp500 is part of cl-bench 2015-02-15T04:39:44Z dmiles_afk: i mean it has earned at least enough status to be there 2015-02-15T04:43:37Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: memory access abandoned by timeout after 899588584273388496226 milliseconds) 2015-02-15T04:48:08Z hiyosi joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:48:42Z harish quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-15T04:52:13Z beach joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:52:21Z beach: Good morning everyone! 2015-02-15T04:53:57Z nyef: Hello beach. 2015-02-15T04:54:48Z cluck quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-15T04:54:58Z leo2007 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-15T04:55:04Z fleaswallow joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:55:23Z PuercoPop quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-15T04:55:26Z leo2007 joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:55:32Z PuercoPop joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:56:13Z nsjph quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-15T04:56:13Z foom quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-15T04:56:32Z nsjph joined #lisp 2015-02-15T04:56:40Z foom joined #lisp 2015-02-15T05:03:13Z JuanDaugherty: yello beach, nyef, dmiles_afk 2015-02-15T05:04:28Z sheilong quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2015-02-15T05:04:48Z dmiles_afk: JuanDaugherty, i am existed in babyl2.3 runs in lisp500 2015-02-15T05:04:59Z dmiles_afk: excited :) 2015-02-15T05:08:50Z nyef quit (Quit: G'night all) 2015-02-15T05:09:06Z holycow_ quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-02-15T05:09:15Z beach: dmiles_afk: Are you trying to write a Common Lisp system? 2015-02-15T05:09:47Z dmiles_afk: beach: yes 2015-02-15T05:10:02Z beach: For what purpose? 2015-02-15T05:10:15Z dmiles_afk: modern version of pop11 language 2015-02-15T05:10:27Z dmiles_afk: well at least lisp and prolog together 2015-02-15T05:10:39Z dmiles_afk: the host platform is swi-prolog 2015-02-15T05:10:52Z beach: Oh, so not Common Lisp then. 2015-02-15T05:11:12Z dmiles_afk: naw, realy Common lisp compatibity i very needed 2015-02-15T05:11:33Z kraehe slaps dmiles_afk with pfd test suite 2015-02-15T05:11:46Z pjb: minion: memo for clintm: well obviously, you cannot rewind streams. You can only rewind file-streams with file-position. 2015-02-15T05:11:46Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell clintm when he/she/it next speaks. 2015-02-15T05:11:47Z badkins_ quit 2015-02-15T05:11:53Z dmiles_afk: yeah i al worried aobut the ansi-tests 2015-02-15T05:13:02Z dmiles_afk: though strating from a working lisp500 i do think it's possible i can grab ABCL library maybe 2015-02-15T05:13:59Z dmiles_afk: beach: well i have to be able to use cl-*whatbnots* to be realyl happy 2015-02-15T05:14:20Z beach: dmiles_afk: And do you care about performance? 2015-02-15T05:14:24Z dmiles_afk: beach: one things wild about my notion since this is in pure prolog.. i could effectively translate a lisp program to .pl 2015-02-15T05:15:04Z dmiles_afk: beach: i have this unjustifed seriously 1/2cocked belief it will be fast as lisp on a jvm 2015-02-15T05:15:12Z xrash quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-15T05:15:19Z ggole joined #lisp 2015-02-15T05:15:25Z drmeister: Hello beach - I generated new AST nodes and compiled them to HIR 2015-02-15T05:15:44Z dmiles_afk: but when it is about to call prolog code it will be 1000s times faster than paip 2015-02-15T05:15:47Z beach: drmeister: Great! Any problems? 2015-02-15T05:16:21Z dmiles_afk: perm 1000s times faster than paip-prolog.lisp 2015-02-15T05:16:26Z drmeister: Nope. http://i.imgur.com/5AYIKH1.png 2015-02-15T05:16:28Z beach: dmiles_afk: I wish you good luck. 2015-02-15T05:16:50Z drmeister: That's for: (function (lambda (x) #'(lambda (y) (+ x y 1))) 2015-02-15T05:17:06Z beach: Serious stuff. :) 2015-02-15T05:17:38Z beach: Looks good. 2015-02-15T05:19:42Z drmeister: Yeah, it took me a while to figure out how to compile ast to hit and contexts. 2015-02-15T05:19:49Z drmeister: ast to hir 2015-02-15T05:20:01Z beach: Yeah, not obvious I know. 2015-02-15T05:20:11Z beach: Not *too* hard either. 2015-02-15T05:21:42Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-02-15T05:23:28Z drmeister: No not too hard at all. 2015-02-15T05:24:19Z drmeister: https://gist.github.com/drmeister/4bf2cf7e026333b20f09 2015-02-15T05:25:38Z beach: Yep, looks reasonable. You may want to use WITH-ACCESSORS on the context so that your code gets shorter and/or narrower. 2015-02-15T05:26:51Z drmeister: Could you tell me a little about the contexts - what is the invocation part for? 2015-02-15T05:27:08Z beach: Sure 2015-02-15T05:27:30Z beach: It has to do with which side of a UNWIND you are on. 2015-02-15T05:27:57Z beach: The context is the ENTER instruction that this instruction "belongs" to. 2015-02-15T05:28:05Z beach: er, the invocation. 2015-02-15T05:28:30Z Pyridrym quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-02-15T05:28:59Z kraehe: dmiles_afk, btw my toy scheme is already passing parts of r4rs 2015-02-15T05:29:14Z beach: drmeister: So it is used in a non-trivial way when there is a non-local transfer of control. 2015-02-15T05:29:15Z Big_G quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-02-15T05:30:05Z dmiles_afk: kraehe: i missed the name of the impl language you are building scheme on 2015-02-15T05:30:53Z kraehe: http://kephra.de/o3proto/beer.html <- dmiles_afk ... take a look at the html source ;-) 2015-02-15T05:31:56Z dmiles_afk: oh neat http://kephra.de/o3proto/unloop.js 2015-02-15T05:32:03Z drmeister: Ok 2015-02-15T05:32:28Z drmeister: I guess it will be more clear when I implement that. 2015-02-15T05:33:33Z dmiles_afk: kraehe: are you using .scm files yet? 2015-02-15T05:33:34Z beach: drmeister: You could look at the comments for (say) RETURN-FROM-AST and GO-AST. 2015-02-15T05:34:23Z gravicappa joined #lisp 2015-02-15T05:34:29Z beach: drmeister: Alternatively, you can check all the places where an UNWIND-INSTRUCTION is generated. 2015-02-15T05:34:34Z kraehe: dmiles_afk, I need to implement