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[uid2072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ipfcglycndfwnmhb] has joined #lisp 03:52:58 teggi [~teggi@123.20.31.134] has joined #lisp 03:54:32 What's the proper/canonical way to make a DEFSTRUCT with a BOA Constructor and then still be able to print it readably? 03:54:40 -!- pierpa` [~user@95.236.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:55:01 (defstruct (foo (:constructor foo (a b c))) a b c) 03:55:21 (foo 1 2 3) => #S(foo :a 1 :b 2 :c 3) 03:55:51 But, (with-input-from-string (in "#S(foo :a 1 :b 2 :c 3)") (read in)) fails. 03:56:04 -!- Zhivago [~lys@1.234.65.131] has quit [Changing host] 03:56:04 Zhivago [~lys@unaffiliated/zhivago] has joined #lisp 03:56:12 you can have multiple constructors? 03:56:27 I can and that's what I'm doing now... 03:56:44 I'm keeping the ordinary one and adding the other, but it feels like there should be some better way. 03:57:23 I tried overriding print-object, but I couldn't find a good way to get the reader to eval the form. 03:58:02 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58:07 (defstruct (foo (:constructor make-foo) (:constructor foo (a b c))) a b c) ; let's me construct with the BOA and be readable. 03:58:30 But, I was hoping there was some better way to get the reader to use my BOA constructor. 03:59:11 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-83-211.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 03:59:28 Why not just add a printer? 03:59:30 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:00:19 I can't figure out what to have the printer print that the reader will read except hideous stuff like "#.(FOO 1 2 3)" 04:00:25 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 04:01:00 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:11 SeanTAllen [uid4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-duoeyuqptykjoegr] has joined #lisp 04:02:40 It just feels to me like '#S(FOO :A 1 :B 2 :C 3)" should be readable even if I don't have a keyword based constructor for my struct. 04:03:09 clhs #s 04:03:09 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhm.htm 04:04:20 Yes. I know it's not. I want to know what I should do to work around it. Is making a default constructor the only good way to be able to print my struct readably? 04:04:27 Why not skip the BOA constructor, and just write your own separately? 04:04:56 i was just looking up how #s is specified exactly. 04:06:33 I was hoping the BOA constructor would have the chance to be more direct. I'd like to give the compilers every opportunity to optimize the uses of my struct. I suppose if they aren't or can't be more involved then my own function would be fine. 04:06:49 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:59 I still then end up having two constructors, only one of which I'm actually going to directly use. 04:08:01 *patrickwonders* crowns himself king of premature optimization? 04:08:09 I was gonna say. 04:09:44 The struct in question is going to be in the inner loops of a large number of functions on 3D meshes. Any milliseconds I can save on it will add up fast. 04:10:16 well, i don't see the problem with having two constructors, i guess. 04:10:26 It won't hurt me to have an extra constructor around. I was just wondering if there were a way to print to use the constructor I already have. 04:11:24 It sounds like the answer is "No" or at least "Not that we know of beyond the #. trick which won't work if *read-eval* is nil" 04:11:38 pretty much. 04:11:47 I still don't see how that's relevant to runtime performance. 04:12:07 Are you going to be printing and reading structs in the middle of your inner loops? 04:12:14 The printer side isn't relevant to the runtime performance. That was aesthetic, not wanting two constructors. 04:12:29 I am however, going to be constructing these inside loops. 04:13:21 How is printing and reading relevant to allocation performance? 04:13:22 So, I don't want to make my own function which calls the constructor DEFSTRUCT made or uses SETF on SLOT-VALUE in some way that's not as nice as what the BOA constructor would have done on my implementation. 04:13:31 dotemacs_ [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yigxxffvgmupuhvr] has joined #lisp 04:13:58 printing/reading isn't relevant to the performance. Having two constructors is ugly. 04:14:23 what's ugly about it? 04:14:25 The performance was not wanting to mess with keywords in my constructor. 04:15:16 satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:17 inlining does wonders. 04:15:45 -!- NimeshNeema is now known as NimeshNeema_ 04:15:53 -!- NimeshNeema_ [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ebjqsfjgpjflbdsx] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:15:58 <_death> if the keywords information is given at compile-time, why should it be any worse than boa 04:16:04 -!- _death is now known as adeht 04:17:17 Inlining and compile-time keywords may be as efficient as the BOA on most implementations. I suppose I don't know it's not. 04:19:02 worst case you can always provide a compiler macro 04:19:22 As for what's ugly about two constructors. I'm not a fan of having two functionally equivalent entry points to the same functionality. or having code that isn't obviously being used somewhere. 04:20:51 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gbhwznvlomszzshf] has joined #lisp 04:20:53 If I think I can scrape a few more milliseconds off with a compiler macro in the end, I will once I have something useful to benchmark. 04:21:36 So, an inlined wrapper around the regular constructor is OK, but two constructors in defstruct isn't. 04:22:06 It just seemed to me like whatever I could come up with for a good way to write a constructor was probably already being done by the impl in the defstruct. 04:22:36 yes, but you don't want two constructors. 04:22:37 I don't think an inlined wrapper is aesthetically much better than two constructors. No. 04:22:51 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:23:19 p_nathan [~vlion@w142148.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 04:23:38 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Quit: l'unica verità.. è la morte stessa!] 04:24:01 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:24:05 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:24:17 I thought the implication between you pkhuong and __death was that if I have (make-foo :a 1 :b 2 :c 3) in my code and I have declaimed make-foo to be inlined, that I might not have any penalty for using the keywords. 04:24:19 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:24:24 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:24:38 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:24:43 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:24:48 If that's the case, then my only problem is #'MAKE-FOO is too long a name for as much as it's going to be in the code. 04:24:51 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:24:52 -!- gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24:56 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:25:02 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:25:17 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:25:28 Well, then why not write a convenience function to call make-foo for you? 04:26:28 Because I don't want the extra few microseconds or milliseconds of the extra function call or again to have two different entry points to the same exact functionality. 04:26:48 All of these problems seem to have a religious root to them. 04:27:08 You have some imaginary performance issue or some insane requirement not to write functions that call other functions. 04:27:11 I'm fighting a battle between aesthetics and optimization. and losing no matter which I cheer for. 04:27:25 So inline the convenience function. 04:27:48 Then it's only aesthetically displeasing so optimization wins that battle. 04:27:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.57.66.242] has joined #lisp 04:27:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.57.66.242] has quit [Changing host] 04:27:51 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:28:12 Why is it aesthetically displeasing to write an idiomatic function for something that you claim to use a lot? 04:28:50 Why would I bother writing (or letting the compiler write) MAKE-FOO when I'm only ever going to call my (FOO ) wrapper for it. 04:29:24 Why not make a wrapper #'F that calls #'FOO that calls #'MAKE-FOO? 04:29:37 AFAIK, #S is not dependant on what constructors you've asked defstruct to implement. If it fails, it's probably a conformance error. 04:29:51 if you don't want to expose make-foo, don't export it.. and perhaps name it %make-foo 04:29:52 pjb: it works on structs with a default constructor. 04:30:54 Second sentence of #S in CLHS 2.4.8.13 04:31:24 If I call it %make-foo then I still have the same problem that my struct cannot be printed readably. 04:31:42 so just don't export it 04:31:42 Ah yes, 2.4.8.13 04:32:13 The name can be different. 04:32:21 I'm not exporting anything (except maybe one top-level function called #'MAIN or something) 04:32:24 patrick: But you're also going to use that constructor via reader. 04:32:39 Anyhow, have fun with your religion. 04:32:52 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:33:07 I know but that's not a use that I can 'grep' for so it feels like wasted code. 04:33:19 (defstruct (example (:constructor |%constructor-for-#S|) (:constructor example (a b c))) a b c) 04:33:50 I agree, it's religion on the aesthetic issue. 04:34:40 Anyhow I don't have a problem with the constructor being called 'MAKE-FOO'. If I have to have it, it may as well be canonically named. I just didn't want it. But, I'm stuck with it. 04:34:51 I'll deal. 04:35:19 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Quit: l'unica verità.. è la morte stessa!] 04:35:30 -!- roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.94.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:35:34 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:35:39 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:35:55 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 04:37:12 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-174-41.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 04:37:18 axion [~axion@66.231.120.220] has joined #lisp 04:38:10 Anyhow, it's past my bedtime. 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17:25:38 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 17:26:29 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.112.165.129] has joined #lisp 17:26:30 -!- bitonic [~user@5.69.215.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:30:01 Have you considered trying to use REMOVE-IF-NOT and MEMBER instead of INTERSECTION? 17:31:49 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:32:32 Hydan: yes, use multiset-intersection instead. 17:33:02 a set with duplicates? 17:33:27 I don't know. What does google say? 17:33:48 i don't know, why google? 17:34:02 why not? Or wikipedia? or wolfram alpha? 17:34:19 Our favorite AI systems. 17:37:27 pjb: do you suggest anything (that is not google or wikipedia) for a more efficient/helpful/useful search of things related to common lisp? 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Why you mentioned AI? 18:34:39 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 18:34:40 Oddity [~Oddity@d154-20-70-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:42 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 18:35:21 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-227.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:35:24 -!- Vicfred [~anon@187.206.26.225] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:10 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 aw [~aw@unaffiliated/aw] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 oconnore_ [~eric@38.111.17.138] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-czqfiwsrinfcbrow] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 em-bee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 justinmcp_ [quassel@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:3fac] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 easye`` [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 smull_ [~smull@port-212-202-120-50.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 weirdo [sthalik@kronstadt.misaki.pl] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 jhj [~jhj@unaffiliated/jhj] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 p_l|omoikane [~pl@81-18-213-39.static.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 ineiros_ [~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 rvirding [uid5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlghewvposvlkxme] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iiwrnlmzgpntooxj] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 j`ey [~joey@unaffiliated/jey/x-00002] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 sfa [~sfa@208.66.156.12] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 fds [~fds@tickle.compsoc.man.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 18:36:20 Kabaka [kabaka@equine.vacantminded.com] has joined #lisp 18:36:20 solvip_ [~solvip@89-160-141-139.du.xdsl.is] has joined #lisp 18:36:20 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:20 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 18:36:31 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@equine.vacantminded.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:37:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-227.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:38:12 gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:31 -!- gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:59 gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:27 \hep 18:40:00 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: honkfestival] 18:40:16 "It's hip to be square, but it's hep to have seven sides." 18:40:28 -!- m4dnificent is now known as madnificent 18:40:40 -!- Corvidiu1 [~cosman246@24.56.241.247] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:41:15 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iiwrnlmzgpntooxj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:41:16 Kabaka [kabaka@equine.vacantminded.com] has joined #lisp 18:41:16 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:41:27 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 18:41:51 -!- gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:42:14 -!- aw [~aw@unaffiliated/aw] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:42:31 aw [~aw@sovereign.meterriblecrew.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:08 nyef_: what are you talking about? 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It's a silly joke in response to the "\hep" that gmcastil said in the channel. 18:46:04 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 18:46:05 -!- gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:46:35 nyef_: what joke is this? 18:46:41 gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:50 5 penta, 6 hexa, 7 hepta 18:46:58 Eh, nevermind. Too silly to explain. 18:47:08 i thought it funny 18:47:16 something wrong nickserv today? 18:47:21 nyef_: is it AI related? 18:47:48 nyef_: explain me ... nothing is silly to explain ... 18:47:50 gmcastil: DDoS attack on freenode. 18:47:52 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-147-121.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 18:48:03 ah 18:48:23 ...little boys are jokinf a bit 18:48:27 _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:30 *joking 18:48:33 indeed 18:49:04 ...but it'silly to joke 18:49:14 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.177.234.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:21 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:49:38 no way to register then? 18:49:40 -!- tomaw is now known as 5EXAAGVG5 18:49:57 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has joined #lisp 18:49:57 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:49:57 nug700 [~nug700@174-19-142-27.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:57 karupanerura [~freenode@49.212.131.99] 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of the money actually get to the author? 19:49:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-12.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:22 1 $ 19:51:36 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-12.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:52:38 astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-235-122.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:41 join #sbcl 19:52:47 sorry 19:53:48 is apress better than amazon on that front? 19:54:16 dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:55:04 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-88-141.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 19:55:28 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.227.199] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:55:37 can (typeof x) where x is a instance of structure, return non-symbol (ie some compond type specifier), rather then symbol of struct name? 19:56:31 "For objects of metaclass structure-class or standard-class, and for conditions, type-of returns the proper name of the class returned by class-of if it has a proper name, and otherwise returns the class itself." 19:56:35 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-12.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 19:58:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-227.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:58:23 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-12.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:58:53 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:59:09 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-227.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:00:32 kanwei [~kanwei@107.194.88.155] has joined #lisp 20:00:41 So, if you want something clever in terms of type specifiers returned from type-of, you need to use the MOP? 20:01:06 what do you mean? 20:01:07 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-19-142-27.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:01:14 -!- ``Erik_ is now known as ``Erik 20:02:15 Well, if you had a FROBBITZ class, which could be specialized by analogy to, say, arrays, and you 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There is a second, optional argument 21:17:44 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-25-198-70.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:17:46 but why is that? 21:17:50 sie [~root@unaffiliated/sie] has joined #lisp 21:18:02 it's a divisor. 21:18:09 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:19:40 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-24-115-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:20:19 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:20:58 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has joined #lisp 21:22:00 mooglenorph [~marco@70-90-96-161-ma-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:05 Hi, I need to apply a function to an equivalence class of objects in a list. Is the closest thing to that, built-in, remove-duplicates? 21:24:24 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24:49 I figured I'd use remove-duplicates and then filter a bunch of times to isolate each equivalence class.