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Euthy rvchangue DaDaDOSPrompt abeaumont gabot jayne guaqua pjb yrk arnsholt nicdev hswe Gurragchaa Fenne froggey alanpearce smithzv djinni` rtoym Buglouse Patzy tdmackey fasta newcup lggr phadthai weinholt terjesb guther 05:38:07 -!- names: nightfly_ fmu surrounder trigen jrockway Yamazaki-kun slava mechanyancat dnm lionping __main__ PECCU Obfuscate ivan\ madnificent scharan herbieB kyl Posterdati Borbus jasox TristamWrk Jabberwockey z0d cola_zero mal__ gilez _tca cods loke rabite_ Tuxedo quasisane faheem kyle__ jfe DT` Fade j_king ianmcorvidae srcerer ered jeekl mikaelj BeLucid_ brendyn aerique redline6561 reactormonk lemoinem literal tkd freiksenet rfgpfeiffer limetree pr cpt_nemo 05:38:07 -!- names: samebchase daimrod ozzloy SeanTAllen _3b tvaalen drewc Odin- Yahovah_ boyscared cYmen joshe Guest63158 DrForr xaxisx frodef ramus |3b| eudicot finnrobi yroeht _root_ vhost- xristos H4ns qsun froydnj gensym zbigniew jsnell scode galdor sigjuice_ kirin` basho sweet_kid hpd felideon eMBee rvirding johs cmbntr jaxtr hiredman oGMo nitro_idiot spacefrogg^ gf3 The_third_man pok_ clog mtd felipe rotty ft vsync Bucciarati jasom ecraven dsp_ yan_ renard_ 05:39:23 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-iflvuqozonehyjax] has joined #lisp 05:39:24 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-iflvuqozonehyjax] has quit [Changing host] 05:39:24 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:40:04 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-057.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 05:40:52 Bike: If you talked me out of it earlier I wouldn't had hacked the ugly insides of the foreign type system. All those deep diving into /usr/include .hs still gives me the chills. 05:41:08 -!- tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:41:35 Was there supposed to be a "hadn't" in there? 05:41:48 It's possible. I never know. 05:42:06 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 05:42:27 "I would hadn't hacked"? 05:42:39 Doesn't seem right. 05:43:37 chimay [~chimay@128.21-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 05:43:38 -!- chimay [~chimay@128.21-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 05:43:38 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 05:43:45 jjkola_work [c064782a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.120.42] has joined #lisp 05:43:51 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Quit: kcj] 05:44:24 I mean, I don't really know what you mean... 05:44:45 OK, that's bad. I'll rephrase it. 05:45:36 I would not have hacked the ugly ... 05:46:04 Oh. Sorry. 05:46:18 Did I get it right? 05:46:30 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 05:50:29 -!- xpoqz [~xpozq@80.203.124.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:51:24 enoan [~xmike@dynamic2-250-014.usc.edu] has joined #lisp 05:51:46 Bike: I'd like to avoid naming all slots - I'd need that for a few classes, and I'm sure that I'll forget to update that when I change the classes... 05:51:48 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 05:52:23 -!- enoan [~xmike@dynamic2-250-014.usc.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 05:53:52 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-038.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:54:19 flip214: what prevents you from writing a copier yourself? just use closer-mop:class-slots 05:54:23 flip214: you could use the MOP to get a list of slots of an object. (mapcar #'slot-definition-name (class-slots class)) 05:54:43 flip214: this won't work for all classes, but it may well work for yours. 05:55:01 gko [~user@42.71.7.115] has joined #lisp 05:55:27 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:59 Would it be safe to opperate on a global sbcl hash-table with event-serve handlers as long as each handler would only being working with a unique key? 05:56:16 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:58:06 Bike: just did, thanks. 05:58:29 nightfly_: do you mean serve-events? or some kind of threading library? 05:58:41 Yeah serve-events, sorry 05:59:16 nightfly_: to my knowledge, serve-events does not create new threads on its own, so you can safely share data structures between handlers 05:59:56 Ah, cool. Thanks 05:59:57 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:00:02 nightfly_: in a multi threaded program, you can use the :synchronized keyword argument to make-hash-table to make your hash table thread safe 06:04:11 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.143.171] has joined #lisp 06:05:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:05:46 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75fb44.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:05:49 H4ns: did you need to do anything special to get CCL running on arm, besides use their release? 06:06:05 armcl is segfaulting immediately on me 06:06:32 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.141.192.10] has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:06:43 sykopomp: no. i just started it. 06:06:51 sykopomp: what os did you try? 06:07:02 I'm on Arch ARM. 06:07:35 sykopomp: maybe try the raspbian kernel. you can download the image and then copy just the boot files from their image 06:08:14 H4ns: I booted that one in originally but it didn't have some kernel modules I need for other things. 06:08:27 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has joined #lisp 06:08:33 stepnem [~stepnem@82.208.57.182] has joined #lisp 06:09:01 sykopomp: i understand. i'd just try it to see whether armcl works for you 06:09:05 I guess I'll back up my current image and give raspbian a shot. Maybe make sure I'm not missing anything obvious first. 06:09:09 yeah 06:10:01 i've not rebuilt the raspbian kernel, but it is rather likely that you'll be able to find their kernel configuration so you have something to start from 06:10:29 yeah. I just prefer avoiding building any kernels. 06:10:56 the pi isn't exactly a compiler farm, and building the dependencies necessary to cross-compile didn't seem like a time saving when I started trying it. 06:11:08 it's easy enough to just switch images though, i guess. 06:11:08 sykopomp: now come on, aren't you a hacker or wht? 06:11:24 sykopomp: kernel cross compiling is painless. 06:11:47 not when the abi packages are coughing blood on you :( 06:12:11 sykopomp: ah, you got the "but i need to run $distro" problem :) 06:12:54 sykopomp: kernel cross compiling works well on ubuntu :/ 06:13:18 yeah, I have an ubuntu machine I can use. My beefy desktop won't be able to do it, is all. 06:13:27 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:13:27 actually I have a VM, maybe I'll try building it there tomorrow 06:13:36 regardless, building a kernel is a pita 06:13:50 compared to not doing anything at all. The config is easy enough. 06:14:00 nha [~prefect@g225074249.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 06:14:05 welcome to the world of embedded computing 06:14:11 I better sleep now. gnite :) 06:14:18 you can consider yourself lucky not having to compile u-boot 06:14:22 good night! :) 06:14:27 what a wacky world. It's like I've gotten dragged into gentoo land again. 06:15:34 -!- gko [~user@42.71.7.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:16:17 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:17:45 -!- mhi^ [~mhi@mhi.sanctioned.net] has left #lisp 06:21:35 VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-231-123.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 06:21:57 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc03-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:23:44 anon119 [~bman@c-67-181-158-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:25:03 -!- anon119 [~bman@c-67-181-158-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 06:25:38 Joreji [~thomas@90-237.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 06:25:39 Joreji_ [~thomas@90-237.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 06:26:04 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:26:10 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 06:27:11 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-231-123.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:27:37 VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-231-123.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 06:28:11 -!- NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjyoxmlwajxxznlj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28:11 -!- rvirding [u5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdalwlreetbnmdxt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:11 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-leczblurngndmzzc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28:12 -!- Spaceghost|cloud [u5056@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjhjitastfkjvpii] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28:12 -!- Gurragchaa [u6439@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cranlnxqwllnxhwd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33:32 http://kanis.fr/lisp.txt 06:33:41 feedback, please 06:33:56 -!- DaDaDOSPrompt [~DaDaDOSPr@75-164-248-214.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:37:17 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-209-176.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37:33 ivan-kanis: (setf i1) will warn about i1 being not a variable ... how about (defvar *i1*) instead? 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Unlike their C counterparts, they are ways to reprogram the language itself." 07:39:35 ivan-kanis: that's better. 07:39:45 cool 07:39:53 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:42:28 what newsgroup or mailing list I should post this article to request feed backs? 07:43:30 hmm comp.lang.lisp seems the right place... 07:44:59 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-50-85.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:53:08 woudshoo [~user@ipleiden.intellimagic.net] has joined #lisp 07:58:08 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 08:00:38 LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 08:00:43 Qinix [~qinix@124.205.120.130] has joined #lisp 08:01:19 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 08:01:44 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:02:08 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:02:48 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 08:04:28 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Client Quit] 08:04:37 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 08:05:08 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 08:12:14 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 08:13:57 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-247.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 08:17:48 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-197-168.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: out] 08:21:37 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:21:46 bioh [~bioh@217.118.81.195] has joined #lisp 08:28:51 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@108.87.18.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:28:56 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 08:29:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:32:10 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 08:33:04 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-231-123.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:33:30 VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-231-123.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 08:46:19 nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-194.math.tu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 08:50:47 eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has joined #lisp 08:53:41 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 08:56:50 hi all, I have clos1.png by rainer joswig. there is clos method invocation schema, but there is no legend. Where can I find it (legend)? 08:58:23 ...if it exists 08:58:47 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.248.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 08:59:30 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:01:49 -!- logand [~user@e178126196.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:12:19 -!- mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-165-159.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:15:25 -!- Qinix [~qinix@124.205.120.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:19:49 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Ping timeout: 619 seconds] 09:25:27 wth is a make-remote-eval-stream which shall be OS specific ? 09:25:32 tomaw_ [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 09:31:02 tomaw- [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 09:31:36 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 09:35:13 -!- tomaw- is now known as tomaw 09:37:08 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:39:09 -!- tomaw_ [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Ping timeout: 604 seconds] 09:39:50 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:38 dotemacs_ [uid801@id-801.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #lisp 09:47:31 -!- phrixos [U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:53:15 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 09:58:44 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 10:07:38 Natch [~natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 10:08:02 agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:20 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:09:12 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:11:00 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:12:10 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-125-133.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 10:12:58 -!- _d3f [~d3f@nl1.ovpn.to] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:31 _d3f [~d3f@nl1.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 10:14:35 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:16:37 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:16:51 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:20:20 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 10:21:58 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:26:37 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@188.181.106.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:12 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 10:38:21 -!- springz [~springz@123.151.195.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:39:49 -!- eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:40:54 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 10:46:51 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.14.79] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 10:56:36 jtza8_ [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:57:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:02:28 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:03:16 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-018-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:05:40 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 11:06:06 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:09:19 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-fvndsnvowkxlsdfn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:44 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 11:16:25 asvil: Where did you find that png? Was there nothing more there? 11:17:20 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qnbyezoynieqfkld] has joined #lisp 11:18:35 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:27:48 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 11:45:28 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 11:45:28 11:45:28 -!- names: ccl-logbot Jasko turbolent prip dfox mucker Guest53750 Vutral Adeon_ kyle___ kleppari Mandus_ tessier_ axion renard_ trigen_ bitonic yrk` setmeaway2 NikolaiDante NimeshNeema ramkrsna mvilleneuve ignas stat_vi jtza8_ schoppenhauer justinmcp cyphase Alice3 _d3f agumonkey froggey peterhil` dotemacs_ pskosinski tomaw xan_ didi nha VieiraN naeg bioh wbooze kcj huangjs LaughingMan Cymew woudshoo Beetny punee c_arenz varjag mrSpec stepnem mishoo prxq 11:45:28 -!- names: robot-beethoven jjkola_work tvaalen superflit tali713 asvil benny brandonz TDJACR kpreid ArmyOfBruce Ralith Yuuhi` Vivitron peterhil pinterface1 PuercoPop sykopomp sellout42 remote eli setheus Harag sirdancealot7 theos Xach clop jnbek|wc rmarianski nullman sytse lide Inode tritchey ineiros nuba cmm astopholos_ Quadrescence hugod kiuma drdo Tordek fe[nl]ix ASau trebor_dki kanru Subfusc specbot acieroid Fullmoon EyesIsMine Zemyla BrianRice em wchun 11:45:28 -!- names: Nisstyre [SLB] Orpheus egn les oconnore AntiSpamMeta Tristam SHODAN araujo sbryant vert2 df_ copec Viaken derrida bobbysmith007 bjorkintosh keltvek angavrilov dim minion naiv_ DGASAU macrobat lcc uniwiz p_l dRbiG ruediger magnificrab naryl easye impulse s0ber theBlackDragon loke_erc quazimodo _schulte_ kanru_ CrazyEddy cpape arbscht ski pchrist zmyrgel wuehli stokachu antifuchs howeyc bzzbzz blackwol` flip214 Xof adeht Mon_Ouie Praise pavelpenev cataska 11:45:28 -!- names: mcsontos Khisanth BlastHardcheese drl Codynyx kanedank gemelen paroneayea joast yeltzooo rdd drl_ Axioplase REPLeffect housel pareidol1a sshirokov JPeterson slyrus CampinSam barik hypnocat Guest50086 billstclair maxm pkhuong foom lusory ``Erik ChibaPet otwieracz cmatei antoszka NNshag ZombieChicken Euthy rvchangue abeaumont gabot jayne guaqua pjb arnsholt nicdev hswe Fenne alanpearce smithzv djinni` rtoym Buglouse Patzy tdmackey fasta newcup phadthai 11:45:28 -!- names: weinholt terjesb guther nightfly_ fmu surrounder jrockway Yamazaki-kun slava mechanyancat dnm lionping __main__ PECCU Obfuscate ivan\ madnificent scharan herbieB kyl Posterdati Borbus jasox TristamWrk Jabberwockey z0d cola_zero mal__ gilez _tca cods loke rabite_ Tuxedo quasisane faheem jfe DT` Fade j_king ianmcorvidae srcerer ered jeekl BeLucid_ brendyn aerique redline6561 reactormonk lemoinem literal tkd freiksenet rfgpfeiffer limetree pr samebchase 11:45:28 -!- names: daimrod ozzloy _3b drewc Odin- Yahovah_ boyscared cYmen joshe Guest63158 DrForr xaxisx frodef ramus |3b| eudicot finnrobi yroeht _root_ vhost- xristos H4ns qsun froydnj gensym zbigniew jsnell scode galdor sigjuice_ kirin` basho sweet_kid hpd felideon eMBee johs cmbntr jaxtr hiredman yan_ dsp_ ecraven jasom Bucciarati vsync ft rotty felipe mtd clog pok_ The_third_man gf3 spacefrogg^ nitro_idiot oGMo 11:46:30 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 11:47:16 -!- jeekl [~crz@unaffiliated/jeekl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:47:47 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-72-190-112-13.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:48:03 setheus [~setheus@cpe-72-190-112-13.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:48:04 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 11:48:12 dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:48:42 -!- remote [~self@unaffiliated/remote] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:49 -!- PuercoPop [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:48:49 -!- impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441894.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:48:50 remote [~self@184.107.242.84] has joined #lisp 11:49:13 -!- remote is now known as Guest26543 11:49:20 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:49:29 jeekl [~crz@unaffiliated/jeekl] has joined #lisp 11:50:00 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441894.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 11:50:03 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:05 -!- nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-194.math.tu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:22 -!- smithzv [~smithzv@99-71-111-56.lightspeed.whtnil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:50:22 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:50:45 I think you might as well talk to Rainer about that. He's around. 11:50:53 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:51:01 ignas_ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 11:51:19 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 11:51:24 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:51:31 smithzv [~smithzv@99-71-111-56.lightspeed.whtnil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:41 PuercoPop [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 11:52:06 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:53:14 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:54:10 stat_vi_ [~stat@dslb-094-218-018-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:54:39 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:40 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-018-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:37 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-247.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:16 __main__ 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seconds] 12:35:35 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:36:14 eni_ [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:37:24 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441894.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 12:37:33 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:37:51 was make-broadcast-stream stometime ago called make-remote-eval-stream or so ? 12:38:24 loke_erc` [~user@c-1756e555.012-14-67626717.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:38:30 seems extremely unlikely to me 12:40:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:40:25 prip [~foo@host42-120-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:40:33 kleppari_ [~spa@212.30.204.85] has joined #lisp 12:42:49 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:50 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:50 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:50 -!- loke_erc [~user@c-1756e555.012-14-67626717.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:50 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:56 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:43:21 i don't find many references to make-remote-eval-stream other than in cl-store, cl-json, iolib, hunchentoot etc...but none does have the right think i was looking for..... 12:44:01 wbooze: you're babbling. 12:44:21 ?? 12:44:34 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:37 google results .... 12:44:41 not me babbling.... 12:45:23 wbooze: make-remote-eval-stream does not exist. 12:45:35 wbooze: at least not when talking about hunchentoot 12:45:53 yes it does not, but keene's code claims it shoudl or so..... 12:46:15 wbooze: how does keene claim something about hunchentoot? 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[~quassel@ptmx.org] has left #lisp 13:05:24 you could use (if value T NIL) ... 13:05:28 blackwol`: (if value t nil) could be better. Or not, nice compilers could generate the same code for both. 13:05:38 What is the best way to construct the filespec used by `with-open-file' pointing to `~/.foo'? 13:05:39 blackwol`: one nice trick you can do is to use negative logic. 13:06:31 coldnew [~user@61-62-202-160-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has joined #lisp 13:06:52 blackwol`: (not (and a b)) == (or (not a) (not b)) so you can use just (not a) instead of (not (not a)) if you're ready to accept a negated result. 13:07:01 just swapping or and and. 13:07:03 greensock [~greensock@41.77.1.245] has joined #lisp 13:07:25 flip214: sometimes internals or implementation need to be hidden. 13:07:34 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 13:07:56 didi: (with-open-file (stream ) (pathname stream)) 13:08:12 DT`` [~ea@host171-174-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:08:12 pjb: I mean, the path. 13:08:19 pathname returns the path. 13:08:32 pjb: implementing an exists-p function, so need something like not-not. thx -- 13:08:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:08:39 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-209-176.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 13:09:19 blackwol`: however, in presence of not so smart compilers, if is a special operator, so it would generate better code than two function calls to not. 13:09:40 (merge-pathnames (user-homedir-pathname) ".foo") ? 13:10:05 I'd expect pathname on an open stream to return a truename. Let me see. 13:10:12 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10:13 <_tca_> blackwol`: what if it exists but is nil 13:10:13 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:10:21 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 13:10:30 _tca_: guaranteed not to happen 13:10:34 quasisan1 [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:45 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10:45 -!- quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:11:08 didi: right, it returns the path used to open the stream, so use (truename stream). 13:11:19 -!- prip [~foo@host42-120-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:11:42 prip_ [~foo@host42-120-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:12:02 -!- trebor_dki [~user@kvpn.lbf.fraunhofer.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:12:10 didi: Notice that nothing specifies that user-homedir-pathname be a truename, so your merge could still not return a truename. 13:12:46 Fenne_ [fenne@sixbox.es] has joined #lisp 13:12:57 pjb: But how I will open a stream if I don't have a filespec yet? 13:13:19 #P"~/foo" is a filespec: it's a pathname. 13:13:28 -!- DT` [~ea@host171-174-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:29 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:30 -!- Fenne [fenne@sixbox.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:31 pjb: Oh, nice. 13:13:38 It accepts ~/ 13:13:41 Orpheus_ [~user1@pool-108-11-209-27.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:13:42 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-235-174.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 13:13:46 -!- Orpheus [~user1@pool-108-11-209-27.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:55 didi: however, whole most implementations take #P"~/foo" to mean what you expect, some don't parse "~/foo" the same. 13:13:57 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:57 -!- Tuxedo [~tuxedo@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:57 -!- sigjuice_ [~sigjuice@184-106-98-73.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:57 -!- pr [~pr@unaffiliated/pr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:59 -!- Fenne_ is now known as Fenne 13:14:01 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:14:04 Awww... 13:14:07 FreeTux [~tuxedo@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 13:14:10 or did. 13:14:20 xscc [~xscc@113.200.106.79] has joined #lisp 13:14:34 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 13:14:44 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:51 -!- xscc [~xscc@113.200.106.79] has quit [Client Quit] 13:14:51 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-235-174.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:00 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:15:01 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:15:05 sigjuice [~sigjuice@184-106-98-73.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 13:15:13 or perhaps I'm wrong. 13:15:16 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:15:34 pr [~pr@null.st] has joined #lisp 13:15:34 dabd [~dabd@a95-93-205-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 13:15:34 -!- pr [~pr@null.st] has quit [Changing host] 13:15:34 pr [~pr@unaffiliated/pr] has joined #lisp 13:15:50 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:16:01 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 13:17:17 -!- Guest92450 [~self@184.107.242.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17:18 -!- Subfusc [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17:22 `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 13:17:36 -!- Mandus_ [~aasmundo@oro.simula.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17:36 -!- galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17:41 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17:53 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-128.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:17:54 galdor_ [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:56 remote_ [~self@184.107.242.84] has joined #lisp 13:17:59 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 13:18:53 phadthai_ [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 13:18:57 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:19:07 Mandus [~aasmundo@oro.simula.no] has joined #lisp 13:19:16 -!- arnsholt_ [~arne@54.80-203-170.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:19:48 arnsholt [~arne@54.80-203-170.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 13:20:20 Subfusc [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has joined #lisp 13:20:24 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 13:20:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@85-127.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:15 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-242-243-218.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #lisp 13:23:12 hey all. 13:23:24 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:23:26 how does profiling work, in a nutshell? 13:23:28 -!- LiamH [~healy@129-2-129-145.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:23:50 There are basically two ways to do it: precise or stochastic. 13:24:21 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 13:24:46 -!- Borbus_ is now known as Borbu 13:24:48 The point of profiling is to find bottlenecks in programs, right? 13:24:48 -!- Borbu is now known as Borbus 13:24:52 In the stochastic profiling, there's a timer which produces an interupt periodically, and we check in what functions were are, incrementing the function counter. In the precise profiling, the code is instrumented to increment the counters. 13:25:21 jfe: can be used for that, and for coverage profiling, where we want to see what parts of the program are used. 13:25:47 For coverage profiling you'd rather use a precise profiler. 13:26:14 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:26:21 urandom_ [~user@p548A3B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:26 scode_ [~scode@pollux.scode.org] has joined #lisp 13:26:32 xpoqz [~xpozq@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 13:26:48 jfe: to see how you can instrument your code, in a conforming way, have a look at cl-stepper in https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/trees/master/common-lisp/lisp 13:26:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:05 jfe: of course, implementations often provide a native profiler. 13:30:25 -!- greensock [~greensock@41.77.1.245] has quit [Quit: irc2go] 13:30:56 yeah, i'm going to try sbcl's and see how it works 13:32:37 pjb: a day or two ago you gave me some great suggestions on how to improve that parsing code i wrote... there was one point you made about just keeping track of character counts and never having to allocate substrings... but i don't quite remember the details.. 13:32:42 woudshoo` [~user@ipleiden.intellimagic.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:27 Yes. Just keep a structure that remembers where you are into the buffer, and use it to advance "reading". 13:33:54 You can also use a displaced array as a subseq of the buffer, and move the displacement of that displaced array. 13:34:15 a displaced array is like a window open on another array. 13:34:37 does this work with strings? 13:34:49 strings are vectors of character which are arrays, so yes. 13:35:32 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 13:35:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:35:41 -!- remote_ [~self@184.107.242.84] has quit [Changing host] 13:35:42 remote_ [~self@unaffiliated/remote] has joined #lisp 13:35:55 -!- remote_ is now known as remote 13:35:59 -!- woudshoo [~user@ipleiden.intellimagic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:08 kanedank` [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:41 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A3B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:36:41 -!- scode [~scode@pollux.scode.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:36:48 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:37:02 very cool. lisp is awesome :) 13:38:31 -!- mucker_ [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:38:35 -!- woudshoo` [~user@ipleiden.intellimagic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38:55 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 13:39:17 -!- phadthai_ is now known as phadthai 13:39:52 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 13:41:52 foobar__ [~foo@host42-120-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:42:04 -!- prip_ [~foo@host42-120-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:43:40 jfe: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131830 13:45:41 However, adjust-array is specified to create a new array when it's displaced, not to modify the displaced array. So for small strings, it'll be more efficient to use subseq. 13:45:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:47:30 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:47:33 A displaced array needs at least the dimensions, the offset and the reference to the original array. With 8-bit character on 32-bit machines it'd be bigger than 8-character strings. With 32-bit characters on 64-bit machines it'd still be bigger than 4-character strings. 13:47:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:48:07 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:36 What's with All the Parentheses? 13:49:57 klltkr [~klltkr@static-93.158.79.70.got.public.icomera.com] has joined #lisp 13:50:13 So if you define a small structure similar to a displaced array (defstruct cursor vector offset length) you can just modify it: (incf (cursor-offset c) (cursor-length c)) instead of allocating a new displaced array with adjust-array. (defun cref (c i) (assert (< -1 i (cursor-length c))) (aref (cursor-vector c) (+ (cursor-offset c) i))) 13:50:36 remote: read a tutorial. Several tutorials are referenced on http://cliki.net/ 13:50:51 it's a joke 13:50:57 I'm reading PCL 13:51:07 it's one of the early paragraph's title :) 13:51:13 it's a joke made since 1960. 13:51:28 kind of the prototypal grown old joke 13:52:00 I'm glad it's addressed in details then 13:52:12 Yes, on the first page of all lisp tutorials. 13:52:13 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has joined #lisp 13:53:22 -!- `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:54:14 as I understand it parens make the language more powerfull 13:54:22 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-128.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:54:25 *remote* (flexes-muscles) 13:56:46 -!- cods_ is now known as cods 13:56:55 -!- cods [~cods@tuxee.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:56:55 cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has joined #lisp 13:56:59 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:58:10 kanru [~kanru@1-160-78-65.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined 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(i assume format doesn't work in lisps with modern-mode either, but i don't know) 21:56:47 madnificent: i'd rather want to see a lisp tip "don't mess with *print-case*" 21:56:54 H4ns: no 21:56:59 madnificent: yes. 21:57:12 madnificent: you cannot tell me what to prefer, mind you. 21:57:13 i like *print-case* in downcase and it's common lisp. if you want to write common lisp, do it right. 21:57:37 H4ns: i know. it was to be interpreted as that meme with the "no" face :) 21:57:39 madnificent: just because the spec has warts does not mean that you'll always have to point at all of them. 21:57:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:58:12 madnificent: there are many areas in common lisp that idiomatic code should rather avoid. non-standard *print-case* is one such thing. 21:58:20 H4ns: thing is still the same. the spec allows it, it's a dang nice feature to have, and it's a shame that people often generate symbols incorrectly. 21:58:27 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 21:58:39 madnificent: it's not a dang nice feature, it is a plain nuisance. 21:58:41 especially when a solution is essentially available 21:58:45 madnificent: just look at what you proposed. 21:58:47 H4ns: it is easier on my eyes 21:58:54 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:59:11 madnificent: poor lad. 21:59:29 H4ns: and it's basically just a function you have to build to make it all work. if your code is littered with format statements to generate symbols, i reccon something is wrong. 21:59:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:00:14 madnificent: *shrug* i've fixed my share of modern mode problems to be totally fed up with it. it was just a waste of time, wasted for morons who thing they can't read upper case. 22:00:19 there you have it. good night. 22:00:44 H4ns: to be quite frank, i don't particularly care in what font or what style you like to read or use your code (not that i don't generally appreciate your opinion), i like to use the features lisp gives me to make my life as good as possible. and *print-case* is one of those things. 22:00:51 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:01:17 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:30 H4ns: the standard allows it. in my opinion it is similar to declaring variables instead of just calling setf. something that had been done in the past too, even though it was non-standard. 22:02:06 Personnally, I like explode and implode to build symbols :-) 22:02:28 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-19-23.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:02:53 pjb: it's not in alexandria, so i guess it's gpl'd pjb-ware? 22:03:19 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 22:03:25 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-2-150-169.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:41 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 22:03:43 It does seem like Lisp is an old man with a hearing problem, it is a bit "shouty" at times. (LOOK I MADE ALL YOUR IDENTIFIERS UPPER-CASE LIKE IT'S 1959) 22:03:51 pjb: and it doesn't quite matter if that's the case. i really wonder where it comes from. and i'm interested. i tend to write a convenience function for it myself. 22:04:04 postfuturist: (setf *print-case* :downcase) and it stops shouting 22:04:15 Quadresce [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 22:04:19 postfuturist: but it also stops working in (relatively rare and easy to fix) occasions 22:04:27 well, maybe not that rare 22:04:31 madnificent: it comes from the fact that early lisps didn't have strings. 22:04:50 setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.168] has joined #lisp 22:04:53 pjb: but they aren't available in common lisp anymore? 22:04:55 bobbysmith0071 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 22:04:56 But early lisps returned a list of symbols. 22:05:05 and early computers didn't have lowercase 22:05:12 yep 22:05:23 Because they used 1850's teletype technology. 22:05:50 pjb: and because SIXBIT packed 6 charactes into processor word 22:06:01 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@82.208.57.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:06:08 well, i understand why lisp defaults to uppercase. at least, i can reason about it and understand why they picked that at the time. however, i don't like it shouting to me now that i /have/ lower case characters 22:06:19 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:06:35 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:06:44 -!- Quadresce is now known as Quadrescence 22:07:02 I don't like people shouting at me, that's why I use *print-case* :downcase, so I can copy and paste lower case code here. :-( 22:07:09 tsuru` [~user@adsl-74-179-198-26.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:12 AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 22:07:15 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:46 ASau` 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do for GHC to be at 1.22x C's runtime in Walker's fbench, and Lisp, compiled with *GCL* at 7.4x. Rewriting the implementation to use parameters and return values, a couple type declaration, one inlined function and optimising for speed, and SBCL hits 1.25x C. 23:54:16 -!- Odditys [~Oddity@d75-156-92-175.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:54:16 Odditys [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 23:54:20 -!- Odditys is now known as Oddity 23:55:29 GCL is the most popular though 23:55:57 Patzy [~something@82.245.180.56] has joined #lisp 23:56:01 -!- Orii [~user1@pool-71-173-143-109.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:56:06 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:24 AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 23:56:36 saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has joined #lisp 23:56:39 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:06 ArmyOfBruce [~textual@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:57:28 -!- AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:53 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 23:58:01 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 23:58:45 -!- kyle___ [~kyle@173-165-60-19-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 23:58:46 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:49 kyle__ [~kyle@173-165-60-19-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:59:15 Orii [~user1@pool-71-173-143-109.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:59:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:59:21 I don't know GCL's performance well enough to tell whether switching from specials to actual parameters will help there as well. I would hope so, but maxima's code tells me GCL sometimes likes that sort of crufty code. 23:59:28 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 23:59:53 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 00:00:59 ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@pfsense.hackerdojo.com] has joined #lisp 00:02:45 m4dnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 00:04:29 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:05:07 suppose I am trying to dispatch on symbol name, and my symbol names follow some pattern, so maybe the symbols are like _-foo, where _ can be whatever. lets say when I see x-foo, I want to call x-func, is there some way to do name munging like this in CL? 00:05:37 Yes, but it's not advisable. 00:05:51 pjb: what is the advisable thing to do? 00:05:52 It may be better to use a hash-table to map x-foo to x-func. 00:06:05 Are 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Quadrescence: ... when was ILC'12 again? 03:59:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:59:42 October 20-something 04:00:01 21-24 04:00:28 ah 04:00:48 well, the movie release date got pushed to november anyway... 04:01:04 what? movie? 04:01:11 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 04:01:12 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 04:01:12 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 04:01:51 Quadrescence: nah, just had a wrong date shown for a certain movie premiere, and thought that it raised the stakes for "getting into Japan this year" significantly, then considered ways of doing ILC'12 and that together 04:02:11 then I found the release to be pushed from October to November 04:02:17 p_l, you should go! then you can meet me. 04:02:58 stay up for late night lisp hacking 04:03:03 Quadrescence: no way in hell I'll afford it 04:03:11 I already maxed out my debit limit 04:03:45 i hope some people at ILC will be personable and want to do post-event hacking 04:06:02 I wish you luck 04:06:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:06:59 ha 04:07:14 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:01 well, if I didn't miss the job at google, I'd have went there :) 04:09:30 (and probably tried going for the movie, too. Now I'll have to wait for the final part of the four) 04:11:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:15:24 xpoqz [~xpoqz@80.203.124.203] has joined #lisp 04:18:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:36 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 04:19:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:23:24 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:24:30 fengshaun [~fengshaun@unaffiliated/fengshaun] has joined #lisp 04:26:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:28:46 hi all, are there any recommended tutorials for getting started with clisp? 04:28:49 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:29:40 fengshaun: do you already know how to program? 04:29:47 yes 04:29:53 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.114.197.90.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:55 minion: please tell fengshaun about pcl 04:29:56 fengshaun: have a look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 04:30:07 sykopomp, thanks a lot! 04:30:19 fengshaun: also, we usually use 'clisp' to refer to one of the various implementations of common lisp. 04:30:21 "in dead-tree form" <- LOL 04:30:26 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:30:28 oh 04:30:30 to refer to the language, we say 'cl' or just 'lisp' 04:30:41 which implementation is the most popular? 04:30:49 or is there even a difference? 04:30:58 there's not really one that is very popular, and they all have their pros and cons. 04:31:09 we like having many implementations because we can choose them according to our particular needs 04:31:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:31:21 sounds good, thanks! 04:31:33 this channel mainly focuses on open source implementations, so you'll find a lot of SBCL, Clozure CL, and CLISP users in here. 04:31:48 there's also proprietary ones like LispWorks and Allegro. 04:32:16 The nice thing about the CL standard is that it's fairly easy to write code that works across all of these. :) 04:32:24 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:19 awesome! 04:33:21 :D 04:33:29 :) 04:33:48 -!- meiji11 [~user@S010600262d73a258.lb.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:58 mcsontos [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 04:34:29 seems like lisp itself is only a standard! That's cool! 04:34:46 yeah 04:35:54 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 04:36:03 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/StartPts.htm is a nice reference for the language itself. You can use http://l1sp.org to search, too. 04:37:16 and those should work in any implementation, right? 04:37:28 they will, if it's an implementation of Common Lisp. 04:37:40 -!- kleppari_ [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:37:55 they will work according to their defined behavior 04:38:23 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:38:41 anyway, PCL is a great starting point, and this channel's pretty good for asking questions if you've already tried to find the answer yourself. Some folks here have pretty high standards for newbie quality, but I think that's a good thing. ;) 04:39:12 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 04:39:28 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-dwcpdekayjmzofaz] has joined #lisp 04:39:28 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-dwcpdekayjmzofaz] has quit [Changing host] 04:39:28 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:39:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:40:19 I highly recommend you try setting up an emacs + SLIME environment at some point, and use http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ for pulling in library dependencies, but a plain editor will probably be good enough while you get started. Half the fun of CL is being able to play with your environment while you code, though, so don't wait too long! 04:41:08 *sykopomp* is off to bed. o7 04:41:53 (that quicklisp page has instructions on how to easily install SLIME, btw, so you can install emacs in your package manager and use QL for the rest) 04:46:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:48:55 sykopomp, thanks a lot! I prefer vim, so I'll tweak it to work well with lisp! 04:49:13 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.137] has joined #lisp 04:49:24 And taking care of dependencies manually will make me aware of what I'm using and where! 04:49:31 there's slimv for vim. dunno how it is. 04:49:42 perfect, thanks! 04:50:19 -!- snearch_ [~snearch@f053009188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 04:50:53 snearch [~snearch@f053009188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:52:42 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 04:54:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:55:17 benny [~user@i577A1C45.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 05:00:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:06:45 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 05:07:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:08:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has 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I'm just trying to tie all the separate skills I acquired(closure-template, hunchentoot/restas, postmodern, etc.) together in a marginally complex project. So at the moment I'm just hacking around. 12:42:56 my db(in air quotes) is a list of objects :) 12:43:49 I'm most likely going to play around with the bknr store. 12:44:57 Harag: If I don't get bored halfway through, a django like admin interface is a must :) 12:45:40 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-67-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 12:45:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:45:43 I have a major effort scheduled (over the next 2 months) for a full blown data aware cms, with admin stuff and with live coding support, so I was just curious 12:46:31 Harag: In lisp? 12:46:43 yes 12:46:54 Harag: Lucky bastard :) 12:47:19 I mean, if its for pay 12:47:25 mathrick [~mathrick@212.130.159.202] has joined #lisp 12:49:10 lol 12:49:15 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 12:49:17 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-153-137.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:50:15 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:51:16 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:51:28 well I am paying for the development yes ;) 12:51:48 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-107-27.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:52:00 hope to use it to make my life easier, when it comes to web systems 12:52:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:54:59 Harag: what is "live coding support" ? 12:55:13 for 80% of the web work in my area, shoving wordpress on a shared hosting is probably sufficient. 12:56:15 fe[nl]ix: something like http://livecoding.io/3411676 12:57:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58:08 and "data aware" ? 12:58:09 pavelpenev: I did that but the amount of stuff clients want added on is causing to much php customization for my liking so I want to see if I can't do it all in lisp 12:59:33 fe[nl]ix: you get a setup screen where you specify what data items you want to store and the system generates the objects (using a oo db) and the basic inputs screens for you... 12:59:41 -!- ludston [~patience@CPE-121-218-240-135.lnse4.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:59:57 reminds me of seaside 13:00:13 (i think that's how it was/is called) 13:00:22 the smalltalk thing 13:00:42 -!- zbigniew [~zb@2600:3c02:e000:3::8] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:00:49 Harag: what you describe so far sounds a lot like my ideas, don't know If I can implement them with my current skill set though(will need to learn a lot more ajax). 13:00:53 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Quit: pl] 13:00:59 bitonic [~user@93-40-107-27.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:01:03 jdz: never heard of it 13:01:21 peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 13:01:26 Harag: this is probably it: http://www.seaside.st/ 13:01:44 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 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