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(loop for i below char-code-limit count (not (code-char i))) => 2050 20:58:40 the only implementation with a non-zero result 20:58:42 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.123.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:03 I chose instead to correct the behavior of the decoder which caused it to pass an invalid codepoint in this circumstance. 20:59:19 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:00:31 if I find code-char returning nil for valid codepoints to be an issue, then I'll deal with that. 21:01:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:02:45 stassats: that's ccl. All other implementations return 0. 21:03:01 that's what i just said 21:03:37 The last time somebody said something about ccl was: <02:52:45> stassats`: have not tried switching to CCL yet as I do lots of numerical stuff, and cl-cilk has sbcl dependencies (does CCL have compare-and-swap?) 21:04:15 pjb: stassats was speaking in the context of the error I encountered, which manifested exclusively on CCL. 21:08:21 -!- galiley [~user@46-47-94-53.sf.ddns.bulsat.com] has left #lisp 21:09:15 -!- Harag [~phil@iburst-41-213-89-180.iburst.co.za] has left #lisp 21:13:00 -!- cabaire [~nobody@p54940529.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:14:19 Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.116.77] has joined #lisp 21:15:50 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.131.50] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:18:24 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-153-51.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:46 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-153-51.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:20:03 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TristamWrk theBlackDragon r126f nicdev_ nuba jakky luis dan64 jayne rotty ozzloy 21:23:40 -!- names: StrmSrfr Zephyrus gensym Mandus The_third_man scharan j_king Fade SHODAN Patzy krl surrounder gabot cmbntr peterhil _tca yeltzooo cpt_nemo austinh antifuchs johs boyscared Utkarsh_ Praise quasisan1 _3b___ finnrobi MikeSeth Yahovah setheus _stink_ adhoc p_l ``Erik rvchangue Kovensky Obfuscate BlastHardcheese twopi foocraft PissedNumlock pok samebchase dryman dnm Tristam ecraven ejohnson Vutral joshe wccoder jrockway izz__ rootzlevel Zhivago vhost- pokes 21:23:40 -!- names: sbryant _root_ SeanTAllen joast z0d ArmyOfBruce ivan\ neena otwieracz rpgsimmaster hyoyoung tali713 dlowe anthracite flip215 dsp_ syrinx_ November dcguru jiacobucci DrForr 21:23:47 Hi logbot 21:23:59 Xach: about what? 21:25:03 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:25:41 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:25:42 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:26:20 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:26:23 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:26:55 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:26:58 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:27:30 Cosman246: on irc there's /ignore, on usenet there's kill files. 21:27:40 Cosman246: on mail, there's bayesian filters. 21:27:42 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:28:08 stassats: the odd 42s in class prototypes are actually for those classes which should have been abstract 21:28:08 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:28:19 Cosman246: IRL, there's lalalala! :-) 21:28:21 the fact that 42 happens to be an integer breaks the pattern 21:28:54 Kryztof: what's an abstract class? 21:29:19 -!- ngz [~user@198.111.193.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:29:21 classes which have defined subclasses forming an exhaustive partition 21:29:30 classes which have no direct instances 21:29:56 ok 21:30:12 so, integer is (or fixnum bignum); string is (or base-string (simple-array character (*)) (simple-array nil (*))) 21:30:18 (sb-mop:class-prototype (find-class 'simple-base-string)) => "" 21:30:28 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:30:29 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:31:29 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:31:30 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:32:02 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:32:33 (sb-mop:class-prototype (find-class 't)) => #, what is this #? 21:32:46 an awfully bizarre thing 21:33:00 try not to think about it 21:33:10 ccl:class-prototype isn't nearly as much fun :( 21:33:21 well, now i'm even more intrigued! 21:34:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-34.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:44 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-8-26.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:32 kslt1 [~karl.sier@netblock-208-127-156-243.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 21:39:36 pjb: thanks 21:41:00 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43:37 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.96.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:45:58 man I dislike my copy-instance customizations, its too hard 21:46:48 I would like a protocol, where for defclass, at the site of definition I can say something like "copy instance will copy these slots, leave these unbound, and apply default initarg/initform to these" 21:48:03 currently doing it through separate generics that return list of slots, or copy a slot, but the more customizations I need, the more generics/methods I seem to add. 21:48:32 pnq [~nick@AC814269.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 21:48:57 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-169-59.netcologne.de] has quit [Read 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Some of my models are also :metaclass qt-metaclass 21:54:12 so can't just replace metaclass, have to make my metaclass somehow combinable with qt-metaclass one 21:54:39 -!- paul0 [~user@201.47.47.73.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:55:25 that is if i decide to go with redoing copy-instance customization by using (:metaclass cloneable) and then add :transient, :reinit or such properties to slot definitions 21:55:34 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279584440.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:56:16 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 21:57:20 I'm trying to connect with slime-connect from linux to a clisp running on windows where I created a swank server, but the connection doesn't establishes. emacs stays hang up on "Connecting to Swank on port 4005". 21:57:46 -!- pnq [~nick@AC814269.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:57:56 swank doesn't listen on 0.0.0.0 21:57:59 tcpdump -An port 4005 21:58:09 ah there you go 21:58:13 Ah right. Can we make it listen there? 21:58:50 usually it's used through an ssh tunnel, but you can just set swank::*loopback-something* 21:58:58 interface 22:00:33 Thanks, it works nicely now. 22:00:45 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:01:12 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA1233.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:33 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 22:02:20 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@100.Red-88-11-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:04:02 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 22:04:04 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-407886.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:04:18 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 22:05:34 stassats: Perhaps interestingly, (class-of (sb-mop:class-prototype (find-class 't))) => # An object that's a direct instance of class T?!... Eh. If I was less lazy I'd try to scan all objects in the image to see if there are other direct instances of class T... Anyway, eatime. 22:08:00 finding some esoteric (but probably not useful) mop fact on #lisp is like throwing yarn ball into a litter of bored kittens 22:08:45 only matter of time before someone tries to rebuild their SBCL, deletes the only SBCL they had with a failed build, then will complain about binaries :-) 22:10:35 or even better, ends up with an undebuggable situation in PCL building /just/ before print-object starts working 22:11:06 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-169-59.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:16:04 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 22:17:11 pnq [~nick@ACA34294.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:18:28 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-169-59.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:23:58 infiniteone [~infiniteo@c-76-126-91-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:27 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279564323.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:26:37 codelurker [~codelurke@c-65-96-208-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:35 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-49-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 22:31:53 -!- kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:12 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@dsl-stat-43-17.mmc.at] has joined #lisp 22:32:35 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:33:21 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-154-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:34 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-49-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:38:25 hi, is there a better way of concatenating lists than (reduce 'append ...) 22:38:42 it's better not to 22:38:43 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.14.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39:05 Guest32898 [~arm@190.108.236.64] has joined #lisp 22:40:47 is (apply 'concatenate 'list '((1 2 3) (4 5))) better? 22:41:11 it's worse 22:41:15 it may not even work 22:42:05 -!- hagish [~hagish@p5DCBEF31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:48:15 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@dsl-stat-43-17.mmc.at] has quit [Quit: Fullmoon] 22:50:29 -!- sergv [~sergey@217.77.215.108] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:50:36 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:58 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 22:52:05 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:53:47 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.14.230] has joined #lisp 22:56:32 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:57:28 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:58:30 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.14.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:59:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-011.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:00:30 DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:07 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128092141.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:11 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:48 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 23:05:38 -!- ainm [~ainm@109.Red-81-32-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:05:50 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-8-26.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:05:58 -!- cafesofie [~user@ool-18e4c9a0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:06:07 -!- jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:06:11 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:27 -!- albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Quit: .] 23:11:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.14.230] has joined #lisp 23:13:16 puchacz: yes, there are better ways. For example, just use append. 23:14:21 ainm [~ainm@109.Red-81-32-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:22 prxq: how do you "just use" append? 23:15:25 urandom__ [~user@p548A42ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:48 stassats: to concatenate a set of lists? 23:16:50 it's rather straightforward 23:16:51 yes 23:16:57 i'm all eyes 23:17:06 (append '(1) '(2 3) '(5 6 7)) 23:17:31 that's not a set of lists 23:17:43 no, it's a pipe 23:17:47 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA34294.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:17:56 prxq: but if I have many lists, shall I (apply 'append ....) ? 23:17:58 that's just three lists 23:18:03 puchacz: no, you shan't 23:18:08 puchacz: yes you can 23:18:14 puchacz: reduce append is the right way 23:18:25 won't it give quadratic complexity or something? 23:18:28 reduce append has the wrong complexity 23:18:33 prxq: how? 23:18:34 puchacz: do you care? 23:18:41 yes, the lists are long 23:18:43 reduce from-end. 23:19:01 puchacz: does it matter? 23:19:03 or mapcan/copy-list. 23:19:39 pkhuong. ok, I will do reduce from-end. is it linear? 23:19:40 reduce from-end has a chance 23:19:54 puchacz: what do you think? 23:20:16 puchacz: have you established that your list appendage is a performance culprit? 23:20:24 if it is, then you shouldn't be doing it at all 23:20:53 that's silly. 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