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09:43:05 what is the most standard lisp implementation? clisp? sbcl? 09:43:44 SBCL is the most popular. I don't know what you mean by "the most standard". 09:44:23 hi. the most widely used is what I meant to say. 09:45:28 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:45:28 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:29 chromaticwt: every Common Lisp incarnation should conform to the Standard 09:46:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 09:46:58 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 09:48:58 Posterdati, FILE-LENGTH? 09:49:12 dtw: yes, solved 09:49:18 dtw: thanks 09:49:29 I have to read a binary config file 09:50:26 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:51:56 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:51:58 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 09:53:17 Posterdati, of course there is the POSIX way: (isys:stat-size (isys:stat "/path/file")) 09:53:21 -!- Adrinael_ is now known as Adrinael 09:54:14 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:54:50 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54:51 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.161.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:55:09 dtw: how can open a file in binary mode to read bytes? 09:55:13 with-open-file (config-file-stream config-file-name :direction :input :element-type 'byte) 09:55:24 but byte is not good for it! 09:55:37 '(unsigned-byte 8) 09:55:44 H4ns: thanks 09:55:54 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 09:56:10 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.161.118] has joined #lisp 09:56:35 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 09:56:50 H4ns: thanks it's simply working :) 09:56:58 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 09:58:07 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:30 (unsigned-byte 8) == (integer 0 255) 09:58:57 H4ns: how can I arrange 4 bytes to form a double word, is it convenient to use shifting macros? 10:02:03 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 10:02:47 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 10:03:12 Posterdati: The meaning of 'word' is platform-dependant. 10:03:26 Ralith_: 32 bit 10:03:34 furthermore, binary encoding of numeric values is platform-dependant. 10:03:52 so, in fact 10:03:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:03:57 the answer is "however you like." 10:04:03 ok 10:04:35 if you are, rather than simply arranging bytes, trying to read a specific file format, you will need to refer to the documentation of that format to find out how it encodes numbers. 10:04:35 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:28 Ralith_: it's a custom format for which I've got specifications 10:05:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 10:05:39 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 10:05:40 first 4 byte are an s/n 10:05:57 if it's specified, in what way is it custom? 10:05:58 second 2 bytes are firmare version 10:06:01 and so on 10:06:26 Ralith: because it is not a common binary format 10:06:32 Posterdati: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127670 10:07:27 maxm-: :) thanks 10:07:29 maxm-: I doubt Posterdati's format stores serial numbers as floats. 10:07:35 yes 10:07:55 -!- kilon_ [~kilon@ppp-94-64-177-89.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:07:55 Ralith: I've got different record in the file 10:08:13 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:08:17 Ralith: I'll program the old "state machine" to decode it :) 10:08:21 well he asked how to make floats out of binary blob, i answered 10:08:32 when did he ask that? 10:08:40 float? 10:08:43 no 10:08:58 hmm I thought you said "how to arrage bytes into a double" 10:09:09 bunch of bytes to 32 bits long, 16 bits long 10:09:13 a double word 10:09:14 ah 10:09:23 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 10:09:25 x86 words are either 32 or 64 bits these days. 10:09:43 so two of them would be either 64 or 128. 10:09:46 Ralith, maxm- : I wasn't so precise, sorry for that 10:09:49 there you go http://paste.lisp.org/display/127671 10:09:54 (r-byte) reads one byte 10:10:14 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 10:10:28 (r-short) reads 16-bit word, (r-long) 32 bit one 10:10:28 maxm-: and if his format specifies a different endianness? 10:10:45 -!- chromaticwt [~user@71-222-135-103.albq.qwest.net] has left #lisp 10:10:55 Maybe you mean this: (let ((number 0) (*print-base* 16)) (setf (ldb (byte 32 24) number) #xff) (princ number)) ; prints FF000000 10:11:01 if byte order or endieness is different then he'll have to switch b1 b2 b3 b4 around accordinly 10:11:06 Ralith: the format is msb to lsb, msb has got lower array positions 10:11:06 indeed. 10:11:44 maxm-: also, you might be interested in ieee-floats 10:11:55 Ralith: but binary data is not uniform, there are different size elements in the file 10:12:05 Ralith: so a bulk read is useless 10:12:36 Ralith: I read them with no problems, the code I'm pasting is from my python decompiler 10:13:09 maxm-: by using unexported SBCL-specific code :P 10:13:39 Ralith: well I found no other way to make a float, I'm sure you can do it manually in a portable way, but why bother? 10:13:40 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-320579.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 10:13:53 because all you need to do is (ql:quickload "ieee-floats"). 10:14:08 ah cool, this was written like 4 years ago 10:14:26 ieee-floats was written like five years ago 10:14:29 :P 10:15:05 though quicklisp certainly wasn't. 10:15:05 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:20 well shoot me, for not checking clicki, downloading and installing the library, and checking if it does what I want, rather then M-x slime-apropos-all float RET, and being done in 10 seconds :-) 10:15:30 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 10:15:51 it's not exactly a complicated API. 10:16:16 anyway, just thought you'd like to be aware of it, if you're relying on SBCL's guts presently 10:16:41 But anyway, now that I had been enlightened to existence of that library, posteradi, if you have to make floats, use ieee-floats thing 10:16:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:17:14 has anyone written a generalized binary encoder/decoder lib? 10:17:15 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:26 cl-store 10:17:28 (for only trivial formats, of course) 10:17:31 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:17:36 maxm-: no. 10:17:53 that is a serialization library. 10:18:11 well not sure what is "binary encoder/decoder" means then 10:18:25 a library to perform encoding and decoding of binary data 10:18:37 for example, formats such as those which we've been discussing. 10:18:45 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:10 something which would be an all-in-one solution to Posterdati's needs. 10:19:38 it seems like a classic use for a DSL, though sufficiently simple that perhaps everyone just writes their own 10:20:03 -!- hba [~hba@187.171.205.0] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:20:14 hard to write generic one, you'll end up reinventing FFI type system imho 10:20:24 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 10:20:40 why do you think that? 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HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db5947a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:42 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:46 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:01:03 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 12:01:05 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:01:55 setmeaway [~setmeaway@183.106.96.8] has joined #lisp 12:02:05 Posterdati: have a look at: https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/trees/master/common-lisp/data-encoding 12:02:39 paul424 [~chatzilla@apn-77-114-242-23.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #lisp 12:02:59 may I get 3 pages summary of the common lisp language ? 12:03:26 Posterdati: and https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/cesarum/float-binio.lisp 12:03:31 paul424: no. 12:03:48 pjb: why ? not ? 12:03:53 There's a cheat sheet, but it's more than 3 pages. 12:04:03 ok so the cheat sheet :D 12:04:30 But it's quite good: http://clqr.berlios.de/index.php 12:04:54 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 12:05:13 Well, it has moved to http://clqr.boundp.org/ 12:06:49 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:55 -!- meta-physicist [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:07:06 yeAH just found it ... hmm to comprehensive .. 12:07:16 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:07:18 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-045.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:07:23 paul424: there's a short introduction, it's 100 pages. 12:07:49 I wanted just the core language .... That is the part :( ... hmm just to write the common macros 12:08:10 paul424: http://www.franz.com/resources/educational_resources/cooper.book.pdf 12:08:16 There's no core language!!! 12:08:26 Well, you could just learn the special operators. 12:08:43 so huh the lisp from 1950 was already so developed ? 12:08:47 (do-external-symbols (s "CL") (when (special-operator-p s) (print s))) 12:08:58 paul424: you can read the documentation of LISP 1.5. 12:09:07 ok 12:09:52 http://clisp.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/clisp/clisp/raw-file/tip/doc/LISP-tutorial.txt is only 1120 lines. 12:09:54 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 12:10:55 paul424: documents of old lisps: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP 12:10:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:11:05 pjb: ok. the last link seems to be something I looked for . thx 12:11:19 :D 12:11:33 paul424: well, if you are an historian. 12:12:33 paul424: if you are an archeologist, you can even dig into 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13:06:49 Xach: of a Quicklisp update? 13:07:22 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:08:03 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 13:08:16 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:44 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178-223-179-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:17 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:11:12 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:11:20 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 13:12:59 Alcohol [Alcohol_12@213.129.56.66] has joined #lisp 13:13:04 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 13:13:29 Guthur: hu.dwim.perec can be extended for new types 13:14:11 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:39 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:15:18 Please vote http://missdv.ru/vote/566/ 13:15:25 no 13:15:29 -!- Alcohol [Alcohol_12@213.129.56.66] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:17:35 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 13:18:12 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 13:19:35 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:36 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:20:04 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 13:20:10 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:30 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:08 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 13:21:48 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 13:22:00 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:19 Ashii 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[~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:40:25 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 13:40:46 I should just leave it for people to deduce what is a question 13:41:34 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:42:01 -!- tsuru```` is now known as tsuru` 13:42:31 Guthur: yes 13:43:09 attila_lendvai: cheers 13:43:27 *attila_lendvai* is demonstrating that misusing the language, ignoring context, etc... doesn't help communication 13:43:40 postmodern's DAO was not meant as a full ORM, suited my basic needs 13:43:41 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:03 the ? was no where near essential in the context of the conversation with p_l 13:44:04 -!- naryl [~weechat@citadel.niflheim.info] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 13:44:05 Xach: what is that warning with stefil? let me know if I can fix something... 13:44:21 naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has joined #lisp 13:47:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping 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[~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-198-83.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:32:24 -!- SeanTAllen_ [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-198-83.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:41 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 15:33:18 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:33:22 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:17 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 15:35:53 paul424_ [~chatzilla@apn-77-114-242-23.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #lisp 15:36:00 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-45-251.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:32 (defun mysum list1 (if (list1) (+ (first list1) (mysum (last list1) ) ) 0 ) ) Whats' wrong with that ? 15:36:58 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.107.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:37:28 paul424_: that is not the syntax of defun. 15:37:35 aha 15:37:42 paul424_: the IF is badly formed too 15:37:46 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 15:37:53 the placement of close-parens is bogus 15:38:01 ok 15:38:04 and the names are terrible 15:38:43 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:35 I didn't want to overwrite the env macros ... do you get it :) ? 15:40:29 -!- ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:41:27 -!- nitro_id_ [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-206-204.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:42 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:44 It is not necessary in this context. 15:41:57 LIST in your function is a variable, not a function. There is no conflict. 15:42:00 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-206-204.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:42:04 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 15:42:47 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 15:43:37 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:44:36 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:40 paul424_: also the use of LAST is bogus 15:45:05 in the list (1), FIRST => 1 and LAST => (1) 15:45:17 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:45:28 should be REST instead of LAST 15:45:33 Everything is wrong there. :-) 15:45:56 the general idea is right, the execution is bad 15:46:01 ok time to rewrite that 15:46:07 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-206-204.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:20 just fix syntax errors and replace LAST with REST and will work 15:47:15 huh first and rest are clisp equiv of car and cdr ? right ? 15:47:25 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:25 paul424_, I encourage you to try it yourself but here is an example solution: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127674 15:47:47 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 15:48:30 car = first, cdr = rest (functionally) 15:48:31 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 15:48:45 I.e., not EQL, necessarily. 15:49:19 paul424_: no, they're not unique to clisp 15:49:36 they are a part of Common Lisp, and what dtw said 15:50:12 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:42 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:52:47 -!- ltaoist [~mo@183.20.103.117] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:48 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 15:53:38 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:37 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:48 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 15:56:26 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:57:16 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.161.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:57:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:26 -!- sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.47.104] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:54 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 15:59:18 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:59:25 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129101229.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:00:06 realitygrill [~realitygr@67-194-75-201.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 16:00:48 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:16 gaidal [~gaidal@61.144.107.83] has joined #lisp 16:03:00 https://plus.google.com/u/0/115209488640908180409/posts/Kij74NTbTm3 16:03:02 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:03:03 Oops 16:03:05 wrong channel 16:03:14 ok ok that works ... I was confussed with that bloody car cdr / first last .... finnally I switched to car/cdr and it works 16:03:16 oh well. nothing secret anyway :-) 16:03:30 first/rest would work 16:03:51 *paul424_* tries that 16:03:54 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 16:04:06 eulyix [~charles@2.26.72.138] has joined #lisp 16:04:17 although (reduce #'+ list) would be a better solution overall 16:04:32 hmm works 16:04:43 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:43 *Fade* waves 16:05:32 -!- eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:25 ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:32 -!- wws is now known as billstclair 16:08:37 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-53-138.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:08:37 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 16:08:50 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-10-77.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:09:01 eroen [~eroen@188.113.80.60] has joined #lisp 09:39:36 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 09:39:36 09:39:36 -!- names: ccl-logbot kpreid hagish ivan-kanis cmbntr homie` killerboy zophy kilon MoALTz drl McMAGIC--Copy CrazyEddy mrSpec easy-iPad mishoo drwho easye leo2007 gravicappa ZabaQ sigi-ntb Sgeo asvil jewel mathrick slyrus wakeup abeaumont prip elliottjohnson sdemarre dcguru saschakb__ alvis stassats r126f devhost sanjoyd dsp1 parabolize brendyn araujo angavrilov lemoinem dRbiG AntiSpamMeta dnolen teggi kpal Yuuhi`` Ralith CrazyThinker quazimodo Modius xyxu alanpearce 09:39:36 -!- names: _schulte_ gniourf_gniourf Beetny pspace EarlGray^^ Amadiro_ Nisstyre oiir` sellout foocraft Posterdati billstclair ecraven Kyril_ rootzlevel sawjig hyko SeanTAllen gffa hoverbear macrobat REPLeffect froggey Intensity zenlunatic nialo- p_l snorble_ df_ sysop_fb arbscht Fade j_king ko1 peterhil Adlai daniel__ gaidal johs dfox__ |3b| The_third_man ghuntley ghoti- dlowe jeekl cmm karswell theBlackDragon tempire BixSqrl dryman MrBusiness sykopomp finnrobi 09:39:36 -!- names: dmiles_afk Kvaks Vivitron docAvid izz_ pchrist seangrove reb hugod Patzy cataska aoh diginet newcup maxm- Demosthenes ramus Phoodus Nshag Quadrescence scharan superflit StrmSrfr daimrod Adrinael Praise Yamazaki-kun PECCU antifuchs fe[nl]ix ec tomaw Khisanth vpit3833 djinni` kanru phadthai Zephyrus DGASAU gkeith_lt eMBee naryl Ashii jasom Enoria zerd ``Erik qsun r_takaishi_ rotty__ 16SAASELP C-Keen limetree_ Kovensky zbigniew Inode yan__ pkhuong guaqua 09:39:36 -!- names: literal k1o EyesIsServer xjrn howeyc samebchase gf3 frkout s0ber Amadiro ura yroeht Xof_ [SLB] sipo tritchey tsuru lusory cods stepnem adeht zmv jlaire mon_key setheus EdwardIII Odin- eli vhost- ASau redline6561 TristamWrk g0 ft kaol ihyoyoung_ kloeri spacefrogg^ daedric_ anthraci- blackwolf ianmcorvidae rson ch077179 setmeaway mikekelly kleppari k9quaint rtoym levi austinh niko twopi anonus Jasko clarkema tty234 November __class__ jiacobucci OliverUv 09:39:36 -!- names: srcerer ChibaPet BrianRice sshirokov chr gz Jabberwockey mal nuba tychoish loke Bucciarati conntrack keltvek yeltzooo Obfuscate tali713 Corey freiksenet tswett drdo ArmyOfBruce shachaf erg flip215 cmatei Guest75069 gensym _root_ luis housel sbryant syrinx_ scode rabite_ Utkarsh e__krappi cow-orker ski_ kephas _3b___ joast ivan\ jaimef boyscared poindontcare lnostdal oGMo ered copec FireFly DrForr rlb3 spacebat bsamograd jsnell cYmen Neronus aerique Dodek 09:39:36 -!- names: tessier pjb __main__ lonstein SHODAN em basho__ surrounder eno z0d vsync xristos PissedNumlock tic Borbus bps pok jayne _stink_ oconnore mtd vimja PuffTheMagic MikeSeth joshe madnificent gemelen cpt_nemo mgr guther ok2 H4ns galdor sav a7p felipe Axioplase_ clog rdd` koollman acieroid quasisane arnsholt micro drysdam_ axion Tordek jrockway foom nicdev_ sepi antoszka Euthydemus ve tvaalen ineiros lsenta rotty_ herbieB_ ozzloy SpitfireWP billitch_ dcrawford 09:39:36 -!- names: peterbb_ fmu Tristam pokes_ timb theconartist Zhivago BlastHardcheese felideon 09:39:36 -card.freenode.net:#lisp- [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 09:41:10 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:43:20 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:43:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:46:03 jiltdil [~amit@122.168.202.13] has joined #lisp 09:46:55 I want to learn lisp? Please tell me where it stands in current time and suggest me a good book. Thanks 09:48:01 Practical Common Lisp is an excellent book 09:48:50 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:49:17 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:18 galdor, Thanks a lot 09:49:34 -!- kpal [~kpal@5ac28f67.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:50:13 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:50:17 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:58 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:51:36 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.218.208] has joined #lisp 09:51:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.218.208] has quit [Changing host] 09:51:36 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:52:37 -!- k1o [~k11@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:38 -!- ko1 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(caveman.skeleton:GENERATE #p "/home/gonet9/code/lisp/ochoto/lib/ochoto") 11:48:12 (ql:quickload :ochoto) 11:48:27 But: 11:48:29 System "ochoto" not found 11:49:43 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 11:50:08 Following: http://clacklisp.org/caveman/doc/ it should work 11:52:08 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 11:55:28 vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 11:56:11 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 12:00:47 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-118-208.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:35 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-170-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:36 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.139.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:08:41 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-118-208.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 12:12:38 french [~french@164.136.1.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:57 hello 12:14:29 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 12:14:52 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:19:20 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-120-138.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:23:36 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.139.187] has joined #lisp 12:23:40 I have a problem with my function : http://pastebin.com/T1hqnSs1 12:26:36 n1tn4tsn0k [~moo@178.47.224.59] has joined #lisp 12:27:14 Joreji [~thomas@74-028.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:27:40 french: you have the semantics of COND wrong. 12:27:54 and other issues 12:28:00 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 12:28:29 benny [~benny@i577A74B0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:28:43 french: How would you describe what MYFUNCTION does in english? 12:29:26 (defun myfunction (x list) (position x list)), voilà 12:30:10 my function must return the position of the letter 12:30:20 in the list 12:30:30 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:00 french: Must you solve it recursively? 12:31:07 namoamitabuddha [~namoamita@114.94.228.3] has joined #lisp 12:31:20 How can I compare two symbols? (lt, gt) 12:31:25 yes 12:31:32 french 1) position does that. 2) 'c is not a letter. it's a symbol 12:31:37 namoamitabuddha:there is no ordering on symbols 12:31:37 namoamitabuddha: you can compare their names 12:31:44 with STRING< and STRING> 12:32:01 (string> 'a 'b) => NIL 12:32:02 12:32:15 stassats: Is it low effecient? 12:32:15 french: you must recurse with the position so far 12:32:20 but why would you want to do that? 12:32:31 namoamitabuddha: no, it's efficient 12:32:32 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 12:32:42 stassats: thanks. 12:32:44 namoamitabuddha: what are you trying to accomplish with that? 12:33:13 stassats: algebra system. 12:33:14 because if you want strings, it's better to use strings 12:33:49 I say use a struct with a string (variable name) and an integer (unique code for ordering them) 12:33:55 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: vervic] 12:34:19 yes I think, I must put a recursive call before 1+ but I tryed it doesn't work 12:34:31 (because this separate presentation from action) 12:34:31 tomodo: where would you get such an integer? 12:34:47 stassats: just invent, like what gensym does 12:35:23 french: the position must be passed as an argument 12:35:28 -!- Modius [~user@cpe-70-123-128-240.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:32 tomodo: i assumed namoamitabuddha wants a lexicographical order, how would your suggestion work? 12:36:44 not lexicographical 12:38:36 (sort '(foo bar baz) 'string< :key 'symbol-name) 12:38:51 kennyd: no need for the key 12:39:08 ah right 12:39:31 it doesn't work 12:39:50 french: what did you try? 12:41:15 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@58.62.104.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41:15 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42:02 http://pastebin.com/T1hqnSs1 12:42:38 french: what book do you read to learn lisp? 12:42:45 french: please incorporate my suggestion and show me how it goes. 12:43:47 french do you hate spacebar key? 12:44:32 timb [~tim@bacon2.burri.to] has joined #lisp 12:44:46 no i love spacebar key 12:45:56 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-59-109.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:47:55 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.240.133.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:48:01 Does cl support for boolean-xor directly? 12:48:25 namoamitabuddha: no 12:48:53 namoamitabuddha: alexandria:xor is there 12:49:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:49:51 osa1 [~sinan@88.251.130.133] has joined #lisp 12:49:58 segfault_ [segfault@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-vilspdoxlrkmrfny] has joined #lisp 12:50:35 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:05 how does ((1+ (myfunction lettre (cdr liste)))) work? 12:51:14 I thought you needed (t(...)) for an else clause 12:51:21 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 12:51:22 tomodo: you don't need 12:51:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.0.128] has joined #lisp 12:51:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.0.128] has quit [Changing host] 12:51:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:52:03 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52:15 french: oh, it's doing (1+ (1+ (1+ nil))) 12:53:18 use one+ instead where (defun (one+ x) (if x (1+ x) x)) 12:54:11 tomodo : ?? 12:54:18 gaidal [~gaidal@58.61.215.28] has joined #lisp 12:54:21 this fixes your code 12:54:38 there, his homework done! 12:54:51 yes 12:56:55 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57:28 http://pastebin.com/1kMJ8Zzw 12:58:48 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 13:07:35 dbushenko [~dim@93.125.19.104] has joined #lisp 13:08:15 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:09:06 EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 13:09:08 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-196-113.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:44 hi 13:10:18 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 13:10:57 how to read a whole *standard-input*? I see a read-sequence function, but if I understand right it requires preallocated sequence. 13:11:55 My level is to high 13:12:07 ura: (with-output-to-string (string-stream) (loop for char = (read-char nil nil) while char do (write-char char string-stream))) 13:12:28 ura: have a look at alexandria:read-file-into-string 13:13:17 stassats, H4ns, thanks! 13:13:37 ura it's for your homeworks 13:14:44 reading character by character or block by block is obvious approach, I thought that there is something like read-sequence which automatically extends sequence while reading from stream, and it seems alexandria provides such function 13:14:55 espadrine [~thaddee_t@AMontsouris-157-1-115-93.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:15:11 alexandria only does that for file-streams 13:15:29 H4ns : why you don't answered if it's a question for her homeworks 13:15:46 french: too practical 13:15:48 stassats: i was more referring to how it is implemented, as an example of block-wise reading. 13:16:02 it's a pity, I've seen many snippets in google which use file-length 13:16:37 -!- namoamitabuddha [~namoamita@114.94.228.3] has left #lisp 13:16:38 french: i answer homework questions, too. i just object to people who show no sign for understanding and ask for help with their homework. maybe you can see the difference. 13:17:02 sometimes to help someone solve a program it's best to help them solve the problem. H4ns prefers to given them a hint where to look to find out how to find information on how to solve the problem. 13:17:03 ura: file-length won't work with utf-8 encoded files. 13:17:28 I don't see the question, it's just for me, it's a special regime 13:17:48 H4ns: it will work, but it'll be a bit wasteful 13:17:57 stassats: hm, true. 13:18:12 tiglog [~topeak@117.79.232.137] has joined #lisp 13:18:34 french, Why are you talking about homework, I don't think it's a silly question. Of course I can implement reading of file blockwise, but I'm new to language and I'm not aware, probably there is a library function for doing all this work. 13:18:43 By the way I'm male 13:18:58 french: yes, it's double standards, you have to show some intelligence 13:18:59 stassats: the spec is not really clear about what the "length of a file" is, though 13:19:10 ura: it's about his own question, not yours 13:20:33 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.152.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:20:55 sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 13:20:55 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:21:35 anyway, I'm not planning to use file-length since I want to read from stdin, so now I know that I need to implement a function for reading a file content by myself (I just don't want to reinvent a bicycle, and write a code instead of using some standard library function). 13:22:48 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-34-96-226.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:07 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.152.109] has joined #lisp 13:23:14 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-34-104-182.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:24:56 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:46 http://pastebin.com/1kMJ8Zzw 13:27:09 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.152.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:27:18 I want to say some words about me. While I'm using emacs more than 10 years and I wrote some pieces on emacs lisp, common lisp is still new language for me, especially its standard library. I'm reading "Practical Common Lisp" during several weeks just for fun. It's very interesting :) Most feature I excited is a macro expansion, it's like C++ Templates on steroids :) 13:27:50 yeah macros are cool 13:28:35 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 13:30:46 -!- Joreji [~thomas@74-028.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:31:11 So I decided to implement some html processor for my own needs in common lisp for fun (I can easily implement it in languages I'm familiar with, but I decided to do it in lisp as a practical part of learning). The first question arose was how to slurp whole stdin to a array/string :) 13:32:00 ura: you could certainly work off a stream and parse into a higher-level structure in the first place. 13:33:27 good 13:33:29 ura: also, note that in lisp, one does not interact with *standard-input* that often. 13:34:14 H4ns, I'm planning to use cl-html-parser (I'm not sure how good it is, but for beginning it's ok), so on first iteration I wanted to make a program as simple as: read standard input to string, pass it to parse-html, no-op process, format it again as html to standard output 13:34:30 ura, I always use closure-html 13:35:00 ura: understood. what i'm saying is that when you're working in the repl, you don't usually use *standard-input* to pass data to your program 13:35:12 adeht, thanks for hint! :) 13:35:29 ura: that is, rather than compiling your program to an executable and starting that from the shell, you invoke a function from your repl. 13:35:37 I think it's my unix background, I wanted to make it as compiled command line utility. 13:35:54 ura: right. you'll need to unlearn that to use lisp effectively 13:36:18 maybe have a single command line program that just talks to your lisp via slime 13:36:28 ura: because otherwise, you'll end up in "how do i create a fast starting executable"-land with the "oh my god these executables are so big"-island 13:36:43 dto [~dto@pool-72-70-40-118.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:58 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:37:05 ura, you can then use, for example, cxml-stp.. a roundtrip could look like http://www.lichteblau.com/cxml-stp/tutorial/pages/2.html 13:37:39 french on the last recursion myfunction returns nil, and (1+ nil) obviously gives you error 13:39:24 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-8-26.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:43 -!- cow-orker [~foobar@pogostick.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:49 H4ns so CL executable slow starting? what delay are we talking about 13:40:13 H4ns, I already noticed: many other things are very different in lisp, and it's fun :) 13:41:11 is it slower or faster starting than say python script 13:41:34 why don't you measure and tell us? 13:42:00 im not sure how to create executable 13:42:03 adeht, I need just parsing, I want my own formatting. I need to clean up whitespace, and I want to use DTD to know where is to safe to remove spaces (an element which can't contain PCDATA but just other elements), where is safe to collapse spaces, and when I should not touch any spaces. 13:42:14 you can use an existing one 13:42:23 hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279584440.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:42:44 arnsholt_ [~arne@54.80-203-170.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 13:42:45 sezo: not generally, no. but if you load your system from the command line through asdf, it will take time 13:43:05 micro___ [~micro@www.bway.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:09 kennyd : sorry i think i don't understand your answer, my english isn't very good. can you corect directly my function 13:43:11 sezo: in general, we tend to generate executables only for deployment. 13:43:18 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279584440.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:18 -!- arnsholt [~arne@54.80-203-170.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:18 -!- micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:34 so how can you avoid loading each system with asdf ? 13:43:59 sezo: by creating an image 13:47:10 resembles me an emacs way, to run a server at startup and edit files with emacsclient which runs quickly :) 13:47:31 Fros [~fros@186.205.135.38] has joined #lisp 13:47:42 i usually initiate editing of files with C-x C-f 13:48:13 rvrebane [~rvrebane@77-233-78-122.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #lisp 13:48:25 -!- tiglog [~topeak@117.79.232.137] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48:30 I mean an EDITOR environment variable, where editor spawned by some command line utility. 13:48:52 can someone tell me how to ecreate executable? just curious what startup time will be for hello world 13:49:11 sezo: it depends on your implementation, what do you use? 13:49:32 time sbcl --eval '(quit)' 13:49:39 no need to create executables 13:49:57 sezo: maybe have a single command line program that just talks to your lisp via slime 13:49:58 sezo, if you're using sbcl, try http://xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ 13:50:18 you can write it in C or whatever so it boots quickly 13:50:49 stassats that takes 8 seconds in here. sbcl's hello world takes 80 milliseconds 13:51:28 -!- Fros [~fros@186.205.135.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:29 i am using ccl 13:51:44 sezo: try time ccl -n -e '(quit)' 13:51:49 sezo, http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter4.9.html 13:52:24 kennyd: your measuring methodology must be flawed 13:52:50 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128103170.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 13:53:29 thanks trying 13:53:46 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@77-233-78-122.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:52 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 13:56:13 my repl quits if i call save-application 13:56:24 yes 13:56:25 sezo: that's expected 13:56:44 sezo: you usually do not want to save an image from within your development repl 13:57:06 where should i save it from? 13:57:13 sezo: rather, you have a build script that loads your application and dumps it, which is then started from the command line. 13:57:23 sezo: (or from a shell script or whatever) 14:01:29 I can recall, my first knowledge of lisp was with the book called "The World of Lisp" (" ", it was translated in Russian, I guess stasstas also seen it), but at that time I didn't have a working lisp implementation. So I ended up with it, and my purely theoretical bits of knowledge soon melted away :) Now with the help of "Practical Common Lisp" and tons of information in internet, it's much easier to get a grip on it. 14:01:47 i am on windows though, should I create a batch script or something? what it would look like? i'm confused 14:01:51 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:02:24 levabalkin [~dim@188-240-42-69.alizone.ro] has joined #lisp 14:02:42 sezo: are you planning to deploy an application now? 14:02:48 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@209-188-122-100.taosnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:03:01 no. was just curious how to do it 14:03:12 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 14:03:33 sezo: then use ccl -n -e '(quit)' to find out how long it takes to load a lisp image 14:03:45 sezo: and worry about deployment when you have to deply. 14:03:48 fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has joined #lisp 14:03:48 deploy 14:04:04 it's pretty fast. i am not loading any libs there though 14:04:41 sezo: when you use an application image, all your libs are in the image, so the load will not be any slower 14:05:10 sezo it's for your homworks or no 14:05:13 i see that's good 14:05:29 french what do you mean 14:05:37 -!- EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:05:51 your question it's for homworks?? 14:06:02 no 14:06:18 french: stop this 14:06:20 it's for H4ns He loves to know that?? 14:06:27 djuber [~user@c-76-16-60-176.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:59 sezo http://paste.lisp.org/display/127973 <- save that to a make-hello.lisp ; then do ccl --load make-hello.lisp 14:07:16 stassats why 14:07:38 EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:26 -!- fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:09:37 thanks 14:13:35 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-121-223-197-249.lns3.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:16:12 ko1 [~k11@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 14:25:33 french: http://pastebin.com/pyk65aF8 14:26:48 thanks 14:29:39 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:01 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:31:46 french: is it for college? honestly I'm worried about france if you are representative student 14:32:30 -!- saschakb__ [~saschakb@p4FEA06AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:13 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.251.130.133] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:33:41 stop bullying him 14:33:50 you people are disgusting 14:33:55 maxm reassures you i am not a student and the french level is good i think, for example pjb your king is french 14:34:12 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA06AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:34:15 are you seriously trying to gain respect from your lisp hacker friends by ganging up on someone to insult them? 14:34:29 tomodo: the poor lad. 14:34:49 tomodo: no I do not mean to insult him, but I'm torn between beleiving that hes for real or a troll 14:35:10 if it's a troll stop talking to them, if it's not stop trying to hurt them 14:35:25 essentially what I am saying is shut up 14:35:40 tomodo: That advice is better delivered to french. 14:35:42 tomodo: if he is for real, his best hope is to just hire some illegal alien guy from eastern europe to do his homework for him 14:36:42 or use resource like reddit.com/learnprogramming or french lisp newsgroup 14:37:12 yes in this room it's forbidden to talk about other lisp, it's the rules 14:37:17 odinrajer [~odin@c-67-165-60-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:44 -!- odinrajer [~odin@c-67-165-60-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:38:36 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:39:24 spradnyesh [~pradyus@117.192.50.251] has joined #lisp 14:40:40 maxm thanks for your interest for me 14:41:00 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:42:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:45:22 zmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has joined #lisp 14:45:48 -!- zmv is now known as Guest22742 14:46:44 french: I was trying to be helpful, the advice to go to reddit.com/r/learnprogramming is not a joke. You will receive better help there, rather then insults like here 14:47:25 -!- Guest22742 is now known as notzmv 14:48:15 ok i will go but i love this room, there are lot of genius and me a poor idiot i want to have a little of your genius 14:48:51 not talking will be good 14:48:52 french: yes, but being much more experienced then you, people notice you come back with the same problem week after week 14:49:39 so you start to receive snarky responses rather then help.. A few people who try to help you, give the correct advice, but you fail to implement it, so its obviously something is wrong with the whole process 14:50:25 I have a strong feeling language barrier is at least partially why... 14:50:26 anyway, i'll just shut up, go ahead and ask your questions again french, there are always hopeless altruists among us :-) 14:50:43 yes you are right, we should kill people like me 14:50:47 french: lol no 14:51:07 too bad for the star like you 14:51:10 *p_l* been a seemingly hopeless dunderhead in the past 14:51:27 maxm-: providing ready to use solution is hardly altruistic 14:51:43 he won't learn anything in the process 14:52:06 being stubborn and reading the suggested materials won't help either 14:52:11 and not reading 14:53:22 stassats: can you stop your racist bantering? 14:53:37 yes stop that 14:56:38 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:41 kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 15:00:07 cbp` [~user@187.208.9.159] has joined #lisp 15:00:37 Patzy: i have some questions concerning glaw if you are around 15:01:30 and maybe about glop, also 15:05:40 -!- notzmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:06:13 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-128-139.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:13 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.24.9] has joined #lisp 15:07:11 I already told french to ask his questions on news:fr.comp.lang.lisp, and I even proposed him once to rejoin me on #lisp-fr, but he didn't. 15:07:44 pjb bonjour 15:08:20 He just didn't show any capability for learning. 15:09:19 man back to on-topic about lisp, if you use git, you should definitely do this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.steel-bank.devel/14919 15:09:23 I don't see this proposition if i see your proposition i would have told yes 15:10:18 that advice is missing the piece that you needs git config --global core.attributesfile ~/.gitattributes and git > 1.7.4 15:10:40 what it does, makes git diffs headers have @@ (defun the hunk is for) 15:11:20 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.106.180] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 15:11:28 pjb tu veux bien m'aider 15:11:45 please, don't speak French in here 15:12:00 excuse me 15:12:08 would you please help him?! 15:13:24 stassats: we already told him that Just /ignore him. 15:13:33 homie: we already tried. He can't learn. 15:13:37 oh 15:15:08 pjb why, you are very bad with me ? 15:15:19 crink [~p@unaffiliated/crink] has joined #lisp 15:15:48 homie: compare http://pastebin.com/T1hqnSs1 with http://pastebin.com/1kMJ8Zzw and all the advices given in between 15:15:58 homie: also we told him to use http://paste.lisp.org/new 15:16:19 I learn and when i will be good, i show you 15:16:26 please do 15:16:52 in the meantime you can remain silent 15:17:38 que in picture of sullen pjb mindlessly clicking with the sad voicover saying "because he is banned from kayak.com.fr, for life" 15:18:51 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.191] has joined #lisp 15:20:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:45 maxm-: do you mean english "cue" or really spanish "que"? 15:20:53 french: strangely enough "I'll show them" is a pretty good attitude to go through life. Many a person turned their life around based purely on "oh yea, watch this" 15:21:36 btw, good morning everyone 15:21:48 do you at least understand why it doesn't return nil 15:21:58 hello dto 15:22:02 ictxiangxin [~ictxiangx@111.35.183.86] has joined #lisp 15:22:06 hi tomodo. 15:22:40 -!- sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:23:08 dto: cue, sadly my knowledge of spanish is limited to ay caramba and mucho dineros 15:23:16 maxm-: :) 15:23:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.139.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:24:00 tomodo: i made a new screencast last night showing some basic stuff with emacs/blocky, the version i'm going to release in a few weeks 15:24:09 tomodo: how are you 15:24:22 dto: you should do a webgl or something version of eve online 15:24:29 hmm, webgl 15:24:36 great dto 15:24:44 i don't know how i'd get my stuff to run in the browser. it already uses opengl, though. 15:24:52 with simpler graphics, and more strategy, and also slowed down so ppl can play day to day 15:25:00 tomodo: http://blocky.io/blog/2012/02/25/video-blocky-lightning-talk-4/ 15:25:24 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:25:25 maxm-: what about a titillating RPG like Evony? "Start your journey now, my lord" 15:25:36 -!- crink [~p@unaffiliated/crink] has left #lisp 15:25:51 -!- levabalkin [~dim@188-240-42-69.alizone.ro] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:25:56 maxm-: i've never played any mmorpg (un)fortunately 15:26:02 *maxm-* really enjoyed one of these door games doing the bbs era, where it was kind of space sim, and there was a turn per day 15:27:16 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-175-175.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:39 never played single player rpgs.. well actually does stalker count? 15:29:25 ASau [~user@95-24-25-63.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 15:31:26 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:47 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:24 rwiker [~rwiker@80.202.200.233] has joined #lisp 15:35:38 maxm-: i wouldn't count it 15:35:46 dto: anyway, as outsider just glancing at your stuff, imho your games should be adaptable to the web. Not sure of the technology, be it flash or webgl or such.. But it seems there are huge money in simpler web based games, which is good for small developers 15:35:51 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:02 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.191] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 15:39:02 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 15:40:07 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-170-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:40:11 rme_ [~rme@50.43.133.173] has joined #lisp 15:44:48 ghosTM55 [~ghosTM55@li279-245.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 15:45:33 ISF [~ivan@187.106.53.231] has joined #lisp 15:45:57 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:46:03 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:47:35 maxm-: im not terribly interested in the Web or in moving away from native code 15:47:42 (which amounts to the same thing mostly) 15:49:26 even if i could get the opengl to work, i think performance of the resulting game's collision detection etc would not be very good in the browser, or performance would vary so much that many people would get the impression it sucks 15:49:49 imho API will catch up in 2-3 years.. Even now Qt has a web gl widget with same api as the desktop one, from what I understand (altho i have not tried it myself) 15:51:52 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.106.180] has joined #lisp 15:53:07 but anyway, these are just idle thoughts, its always easier to imagine what could be coded, rather then code it :-) 15:53:15 maxm-: :) 15:53:27 -!- rwiker [~rwiker@80.202.200.233] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:53:53 native code will be 2-3 years forward then too and still better than trying to do collision detection in javascript :) 15:53:56 -!- anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:16 i.e. webgl is probably an awesome leap forward if you really MUST target the web 15:54:41 i'm really biased against the web right now---please don't listen to me :) 15:54:55 isn't it possible to run opengl in web? for example quake arena, which is basically quake 3 remake 15:54:55 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-11.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55:11 (or was that quake live? ) 15:55:17 i dunno 15:55:44 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-149-106.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:56:12 yes quake live. 15:57:30 it seems to be activex custom-plugin based 15:57:51 dl [~download@c-174-56-88-67.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:52 i strongly suspect the game logic is in the plugin and not the browser 15:58:10 yes seems you are right 15:58:43 osa1 [~sinan@88.251.130.133] has joined #lisp 15:58:50 What would it take, if we wrote a webCL, to have it included in all the browsers, like they included WebGL? 15:59:21 Apocalypse 15:59:35 i think the hard part is defining what webcl is 15:59:44 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:59:49 sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 15:59:57 if it's running native code in common lisp then what does the Web part mean 16:00:10 A Common Lisp implementation packaged so that they can include it easily in all the browsers. 16:00:28 this is great dto 16:00:49 pjb: why not just write a compiler+utility runtime that can be served to users? 16:00:50 pjb: i.e. so that one could click a link to some common lisp web app and have it run in the browser? 16:01:00 like, an actual common lisp compiler, not something like parenscript. 16:01:13 tomodo: hey thanks :) 16:01:19 (aside from the amount of work it would take and how little most people would care) 16:01:23 combined with the other videos it should show where i am going. 16:01:38 well, since adobe says no more flash for linux, thinking big, flash replacement with lisp for the scripting language :-) 16:01:40 So that I can write: 16:01:52 have to run stably on windows, so sbcl is out 16:02:08 pjb: yes. You don't need browser support to do that. 16:02:10 also can't be slow to start, that is what killed java applets 16:02:21 ugh, no more plugins 16:02:24 I hope flash dies 16:02:29 that would improve the web 16:02:41 sykopomp: yes, I want CL to run in the browser. 16:02:50 sykopomp: I won't use WebGL if not with WebCL 16:02:51 i wish it would die, but all the porn sites, and poker sites and facebook will keep it alive forever 16:02:52 pjb: so, write a CL that runs in the browser. 16:03:04 -!- ghosTM55 [~ghosTM55@li279-245.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:08 pjb: then go ahead and write WebCL. You don't need support from browser vendors. 16:03:16 sykopomp: I could do that, but it would be useless if browsers don't integrate it. 16:03:25 no, it wouldn't be useless. 16:03:25 sykopomp: how so? 16:03:37 why would browsers integrate this 16:03:40 point in case: clojurescrupt? 16:03:47 clojurescript* 16:03:50 pjb: because you have javascript, and everything you need to integrate what you're talking about is javascript. 16:04:03 Bu that defeats the point. 16:04:03 pjb: including the