06:23:11 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 06:23:11 06:23:11 -!- names: ccl-logbot BlankVerse sellout- cyrillos faust45 Daev schaueho realitygrill Bacteria gravicappa spradnyesh Salamander_ abeaumont Hundenn xyzzy- legumbre timi parolang zardoz- morganb plage theBlackDragon nowhereman cataska ehine1 kushal loke Axioplase_ Penten Tristam Ralith mathrick zenlunatic topeak wormphlegm insomniaSalt taiyal neoesque setmeaway fe[nl]ix xxxyyy guther lnostdal-laptop CrazyEddy Demosthenes kpreid ltriant jmbr naryl Euthydemus benny 06:23:11 -!- names: JuanDaugherty markskilbeck Amadiro_ amb007 noogenesis hugod iori anonus zfx ASau ski_ Inode tic egn qebab macrobat Krystof ubii splittist chu_ npoektop X-Scale kjellkt shachaf mrSpec nicdev_ r11t H4ns``` daniel__1 rvncerr McMAGIC--Copy drdo BrianRice kennyd kvsari kunwon1 __class__ beach bobbysmith0071 tessier chr` vert2 s0ber eno koollman Tordek katesmith ramus emacs-dwim Nshag billstclair araujo sonnym martinhex jrockway Oddity ezakimak nicdev cmatei 06:23:11 -!- names: Jasko2 tritchey lolsuper_ ianmcorvidae stepnem phadthai prip DGASAU dfox quiccker incandenza Khisanth amaron gkeith cmm ocharles Younder mhi^ mtd nuba jamief Patzy arbscht spurvewt frodef sanjoyd bendlas johanbev jsoft parabolize vhost- alfa_y_omega redline6561 tsuru rtoym timjstewart drunkk Posterdati algorist madnificent mgr ok2 hyko jsnell literal peddie cpt_nemo Pepe_ yroeht rootzlevel wivlaro pjb setheus nullman ineiros sword REPLeffect pchrist 06:23:11 -!- names: Zephyrus bzzbzz njan tvaalen deepfire schmrkc mornfall pinterface StrmSrfr AntiSpamMeta Borbus luis aperturefever quasisane CallToPower Jasko rsynnott sharkasgo2 easyE joast Yamazaki-kun jfleming C-Keen daimrod fihi09 z0d joshee kleppari schoppenhauer em julius2 neaer clog daedric sshirokov michelp peterhil zanea mikejs Quetzalcoatl_ housel derrida reb pkhuong sirmacik cYmen ``Erik xristos DrForr aoh tali713 dostoyevsky callen Intensity Xof_ Adrinael 06:23:11 -!- names: lonstein acieroid koisoke ecraven _krappie_ lusory _3b krl froggey Obfuscate kanru hohum_ rotty_ levi fmu eli foom akkartik_ tempire_ xale p_l|backup pok larva sid3k PissedNumlock yahooooo micro oGMo churib djinni` |3b| milkpost mal__ jiacobucci groundnuty cpc26 scode_ adeht rabite_ zbigniew yan_ oconnore _8david antoszka phryk srcerer boyscared joshe Dodek Zhivago ilmari felipe tomaw cmbntr_ erk colazero tychoish df_aldur _main_ cods tty234 pp206 06:23:11 -!- names: galdor Bucciarati Aisling zakwilson spacebat Jabberwockey antifuchs elliottcable herbieB fds jeekl albino SpitfireWP j_king Fade freiksenet klutometis guaqua johs elliottjohnson cipher ozzloy a7p dcrawford Hun k9quaint erg kloeri ve 06:23:14 and some other lisp books 06:23:43 I would recommend Practical Common Lisp before reading On Lisp 06:24:09 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has joined #lisp 06:24:09 -!- flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has quit [Changing host] 06:24:09 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 06:24:27 http://it.newnew.cn/it55943.aspx 06:26:48 oh chinese web 06:28:28 element8 [~element8@99-183-228-9.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:28:54 leo2007 [~leo@117.128.179.202] has joined #lisp 06:29:44 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:29:44 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 06:29:44 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 06:30:43 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:31:54 oh I success 06:32:56 good day 06:33:30 Good. 06:34:41 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.72.180] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:35:06 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:14 is emacs and slime enough? 06:35:26 jsoftw [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 06:35:28 I also have another desktop emcas sbcl 06:35:54 -!- element8 [~element8@99-183-228-9.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 06:39:41 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:12 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 06:42:56 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.122.60] has joined #lisp 06:44:25 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:45:40 good morning 06:45:56 hi 06:48:24 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:50:03 good morning 06:53:51 -!- faust45 [~faust45@139-159-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: faust45] 06:54:18 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@184-195-188-80.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:55:11 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:55:15 is anybody work as lisp programer? 06:55:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-6.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:56:30 timi: emacs+slime is (AFAIK) only a frontend for programming; you'll need a backend-lisp as well. SBCL is fine. 06:56:41 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-32.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:56:51 Yes, there are quite a few people who are working with lisp. 06:57:14 my slime has sbcl 07:01:05 whee [~whee@misplaced.smaertness.net] has joined #lisp 07:01:55 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.122.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:03:59 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.203.69] has joined #lisp 07:08:56 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:09:54 -!- zanea [~zanea@219-89-168-65.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:11:36 zanea [~zanea@219-89-165-210.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:11:56 ehu [~ehuels@109.34.147.47] has joined #lisp 07:13:01 lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:13:52 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:13:52 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 07:13:52 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 07:14:00 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:14:25 hi 07:14:30 flip214: hi, sys64738 07:14:49 lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:14:53 timi: not me 07:15:06 Posterdati: hi, but I won't reboot now just because you're asking - I'd rather keep doing what I'm doing ;) 07:15:12 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:15:24 flip214: but I just did 07:15:41 Reboot? Or ask? 07:15:45 flip214: you computer should be resetted now 07:15:52 no, please no 07:15:57 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has left #lisp 07:16:01 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 07:16:03 lol 07:16:04 better now? 07:16:14 are you working with lisp for c64? 07:16:39 there's no defun, but defuck 07:16:47 no ... no time for that. 07:16:49 sounds interesting 07:16:54 yes 07:17:02 it's a very old lisp incarnation 07:17:29 not common lisp, but unusual lisp 07:19:54 try it and you'll see how you'll enjoy it 07:20:33 Received a malformed DCC request from flip214. 07:20:38 are you on windows? 07:20:57 Posterdati: no, but behind some firewalls 07:20:59 wait a bit 07:21:02 ok 07:21:40 Posterdati: do you see my PM? 07:22:12 peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 07:23:36 is anyone America? 07:24:05 timi: no I'm Angelo 07:24:16 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:24:32 Angelo? 07:24:48 ehu` [~ehuels@109.35.214.127] has joined #lisp 07:25:05 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.34.147.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:25:23 italia 07:26:03 -!- parolang [~parolang@c-64-246-121-114.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28:06 -!- leo2007 [~leo@117.128.179.202] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 07:28:54 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:30:12 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.203.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:33:19 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 07:34:00 -!- timi [73ee5924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.238.89.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:35:02 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.216.174] has joined #lisp 07:35:15 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 07:39:51 yakov [~yakov@ip-83-149-3-98.nwgsm.ru] has joined #lisp 07:41:16 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 07:45:39 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:48:07 Natch| [~natch@46.246.125.142] has joined #lisp 07:48:28 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-58-169.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:58 -!- chu_ [~chu@CPE-58-165-253-149.lns1.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:50:48 -!- zardoz- [~mickey@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 07:51:09 -!- X-Scale [email@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:51:34 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7578a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:54:10 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 07:58:00 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:58:33 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-100-160.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:00:39 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 08:01:29 X-Scale [email@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #lisp 08:02:10 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-71-48.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:02:55 -!- plage [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-128-43.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:05:38 plage [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-128-43.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:11:06 realitygrill [~realitygr@184-195-188-80.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 08:12:00 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@109.35.214.127] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:21 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@curio.mat.ucm.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:06 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.214.127] has joined #lisp 08:22:45 c_arenz [~arenz@nat/ibm/x-jnrrtdydfconloiu] has joined #lisp 08:24:30 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 08:25:15 Hi all. Does this report still have good teaching value these days? "A Mechanical Proof of the Turing Completeness of Pure Lisp. Robert S. Boyer and J Strother Moore Technical Report #37 May 1983" 08:25:45 jmbr [~jmbr@curio.mat.ucm.es] has joined #lisp 08:26:07 or is it obsolete/useless ? 08:26:33 hmmm, even the c++ template processor is turing-complete AFAIK ... 08:28:38 -!- plage [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-128-43.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28:42 plage [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-128-43.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:29:15 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 08:30:19 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7578a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:33 Giraffer [c84ddcea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.77.220.234] has joined #lisp 08:32:38 When I was 11 years old I visited Neverland Ranch for 3 days and had a ball with Michael Jackson. We would go gokarting around sipping jesus juice and cuddling. My favorite moment was when we climbed a tree, and he pulled off my shorts and underoos to stick his nice hot nigger dick into my ass while I grabbed a giraffe's head by the horns to felate me! 08:32:42 hlavaty [~user@91-65-223-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 08:32:52 -!- Giraffer [c84ddcea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.77.220.234] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:33:20 Less dangerous than ringing doorbells and running away, I guess. 08:36:39 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-32.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:37:21 Ralith_ [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:37:45 who's that looser? 08:37:49 nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-95-63-169.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 08:38:01 tessier_ [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 08:38:18 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #lisp 08:38:45 -!- yakov [~yakov@ip-83-149-3-98.nwgsm.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:39:05 DrForr_ [~drforr@pool-98-112-230-87.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:39:06 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.216.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:39:54 Hmm, I think that being felated by a giraffe would be pretty dangerous. 08:40:09 stepnem_ [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 08:40:39 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.66.136] has joined #lisp 08:41:04 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-221-32.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:42:31 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-5-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:42:45 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 08:43:12 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- gkeith [~gkeith@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:12 -!- ok2 [ok2@kozachuk.info] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:13 -!- DrForr [~drforr@pool-98-112-230-87.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:13 -!- rotty_ [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:13 -!- colazero [~colazero@www5054u.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 08:43:13 -!- stepnem_ is now known as stepnem 08:44:32 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@203.110.240.178] has joined #lisp 08:44:37 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@203.110.240.178] has quit [Changing host] 08:44:37 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 08:44:55 That was hardly true. 08:45:45 I don't want to be involved with this topic, but I can't imagine a 11 year old boy enjoying anal sex. Especially not done by an adult. 08:45:48 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-135-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:46:05 serichsen [~user@hmbg-5f764306.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:46:24 Hello! 08:46:54 sellout-1 [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-28-145.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:47:17 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:48:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-221-32.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:28 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 08:49:45 peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 08:49:57 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.66.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:50:01 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:50:01 gkeith [~gkeith@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 08:50:39 I'm trying to solve this problem: a program should look for a particular function if it is not embedded in the program itself it should search for its source in a dir, load if exists and execute it... 08:51:00 -!- sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-28-145.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:51:25 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.103.3] has joined #lisp 08:52:57 -!- plage [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-128-43.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:45 Please ask a question. 08:54:19 how can I achieve that? 08:54:21 Zhivago: 3 minutes is a short timeout :) 08:54:35 Posterdati: are you parsing Lisp code? 08:54:50 poster: You could write some code to do it. 08:55:02 Zhivago: yeah 08:55:29 poster: You're welcome. 08:55:49 I used find-symbol and apply 08:56:15 but how can I load source code and execute it? 08:56:29 With the obscure LOAD operator? 08:56:37 ok 08:56:56 let me see on hyperspec and pcl 08:57:37 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 08:59:57 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@93-80-218-15.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:00:01 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-95-63-169.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:00:15 nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-95-63-169.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 09:00:22 cyrillos [~cyrill@93-80-218-15.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 09:00:25 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.103.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:00:46 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-95-63-169.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 09:02:22 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.193.164] has joined #lisp 09:09:08 Zhivago: is it reasonable? http://paste.lisp.org/display/123141 09:09:10 :) lol 09:11:18 Zhivago: if I load a form with a function, will the function itself become a findable symbol? 09:11:38 The function name should be, yes. 09:11:51 Perhaps symbol-function is what you want? 09:12:00 symbol-function? 09:12:15 Yes. symbol-function. 09:12:38 is it a macro? 09:13:01 ah 09:13:05 to find the function 09:13:17 find-symbol looks for every symbols 09:13:25 No. It is not a macro. 09:13:27 I need only function to be found 09:13:30 <_3b> Posterdati: why (apply ... (list ...)) instead of just (funcall ... ...) ? 09:13:46 So, why not find the symbol, and then use symbol-function? 09:13:52 I need to pass arguments to the function that are in a plist 09:14:07 without found? 09:14:17 -!- xyzzy- [xyzzy@178.73.192.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:14:18 how can I handle the not found function? 09:14:34 nil? 09:14:48 Perhaps you should read the documentation ... 09:14:53 ok 09:14:55 Then you could ask better questions. 09:14:59 ok 09:15:00 thanks 09:15:56 but function name are in strings 09:16:03 but function names are in strings 09:16:12 So, find the symbol with that name. 09:16:21 like I already did 09:16:52 Then ... use ... symbol-function ... 09:17:35 but my parameters are in a list 09:17:41 So what? 09:17:46 What does symbol-function do? 09:17:50 (setf old-function-value (apply my-function-symbol (list :parameters my-parameters-list :state my-states-list))) 09:18:08 posterdati: What does symbol-function do? 09:18:11 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 09:18:49 (symbol-function 'car) -> # 09:18:53 return the function 09:19:07 So, if it has a function, then you can call it ... 09:19:11 If it doesn't ... 09:19:16 (apply (symbol-function 'car) (list parameters)) 09:19:22 so I could use such a form? 09:19:40 Yes, but you should probably test the result first. 09:20:01 I should test for symbol-function 09:22:00 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:23:11 Harag [~Harag@dsl-241-68-161.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:27:51 Zhivago: http://paste.lisp.org/display/123141#1 09:29:33 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BEC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:29:41 would it work on compiled programs? 09:30:50 -!- jamief [~user@harrison.doc.gold.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5] 09:34:28 dbrunner [~user@mail.systemhaus-brunner.de] has joined #lisp 09:35:26 jamief [~user@158.223.51.80] has joined #lisp 09:42:03 -!- bendlas [~user@81-223-49-202.taubstummengasse.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45:14 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@174-145-233-14.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 09:45:53 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 09:46:52 zfx [~zfx@mail.inqmobile.com] has joined #lisp 09:46:53 -!- zfx [~zfx@mail.inqmobile.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:46:53 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 09:46:55 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@184-195-188-80.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46:55 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 09:47:48 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 09:47:48 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 09:47:48 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 09:51:06 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:53:58 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.193.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:55:04 DelPuerto [~youguy@90.170.20.185] has joined #lisp 09:56:15 is there any DNS library for CL other than iolib? 09:57:23 Perhaps cliki.net is easier to get answer. 09:57:32 couldn't find anything on cliki 09:57:56 Then you can write FFI bindings for your favourite resolver. 09:58:03 :) 09:58:43 Make a library for it 09:58:57 make sure you can replace the backend, so it'll work on ABCL as well 09:59:18 nah, ffi bindings are lame 09:59:20 z0d: learning how to write FFI bindings is useful skill anyway. 09:59:29 Well... 09:59:49 DGASAU: I know cffi, but I was hoping for an already existing solution <-: 09:59:54 Sure, if you want to spend some time learning DNS, you can write resolver yourself. 10:00:45 I'm not in a the mood for parsing DNS replies. And I need to finish this today, so... <-: 10:01:26 I fear I'll end up running 'host' and parsing its reply 10:01:40 man gethostbyname 10:02:13 that's a bit low-level for my needs 10:02:21 ??? 10:02:37 That's basically what host(1) returns, anyway. 10:03:03 z0d: what do you really want to do? 10:03:05 anyway The gethostbyname*() and gethostbyaddr*() functions are obsolete. Applications should use getaddrinfo(3) and getnameinfo(3) instead. 10:03:09 <-: 10:03:29 stassats: simple: I have a list of domain names and I need to resolve their IP, even if they're just CNAME record. 10:03:37 records* 10:04:01 I don't see a note of their obsolescence. 10:04:21 But you can use them, if you want, sure. 10:04:32 (sb-bsd-sockets:host-ent-addresses (sb-bsd-sockets:get-host-by-name "google.com")) => ... 10:05:14 nice 10:05:15 DGASAU: they're not thread-safe 10:05:40 what about CNAMEs? 10:06:03 stassats: that's not what one needs to think when writing single-threaded application. 10:09:24 oh, it works transparently with CNAMEs 10:09:29 it'll be find, thanks 10:09:46 fine* 10:09:53 DGASAU: no, that's what you shouldn't think about --- how much threads it will use 10:12:32 Hi, I am using CCL on Windows and Linux and looking for a library to read and write image files like PNG, JPG. Anybody an advice which library I should use that works on Linux and Windows as well? 10:12:56 cl-png, cl-jpeg 10:13:17 or read-png, or what's it called 10:13:31 png-read 10:14:38 am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.67] has joined #lisp 10:14:43 opticl 10:16:21 I think png-read had problems with one of my pngs. I create them using R and want to know width/height of the resulting pngs. 10:16:40 that's all you want? 10:16:44 yeah. 10:17:19 i'd just use imagemagick for that 10:17:22 I am not familiar with those graphic formats. 10:17:41 I was also thinking about ImageMagick. But was not sure if it is a good choice. 10:18:05 I want something small and only few dependencies to other libs/foreign libraries. 10:18:30 well, it's not a good choice (it's not written in Lisp), but should be good enough 10:19:39 A classical "not invented here"-problem ;) I see. Well, then I should use lisp-magick as a ffi and ImageMagick; as far as I saw it is avaiable for Windows 32/64 as well. 10:20:48 or you could fix png-read 10:21:30 *g* ok. thanks. i do the one thing or the other ;) *g* but because i am not familiar with png i am not sure if i could fix the png-read. but perhaps i can provide a bug report. let's see. 10:21:34 NWL --- Not Written in Lisp 10:21:39 yes. 10:22:04 you can always make yourself familiar with PNG 10:23:47 -!- Penten [~user@114.255.149.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:17 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:28:05 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@90.170.20.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:35:45 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:42:07 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.1.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:42:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 10:46:52 yes. thanks for the advice! 10:47:21 -!- topeak [~topeak@123.114.122.113] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:47:29 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 10:57:32 daniel [~daniel@p5082A0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:14 -!- am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:24 H4ns```` [~user@p4FFC8895.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:42 am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.67] has joined #lisp 10:59:11 -!- daniel__1 [~daniel@p50829849.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:40 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #lisp 11:00:52 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 11:02:15 -!- H4ns``` [~user@p4FFC8301.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:03:05 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.97.70] has joined #lisp 11:07:42 -!- sellout-1 [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-28-145.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:46 sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-28-145.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:08:31 ImageMagick is a bit heavy for a plain size query IMO 11:10:02 who cares about weight? 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I was starting to think you had departed for lands with better smug. 13:35:37 DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.144.19] has joined #lisp 13:36:03 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@pC19F3533.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-11-250.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:36:43 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:35 Is there a way to translate a function name to a function ? something like: (funcall (string-to-function "+") 1 2 3) 13:38:02 you can refer directly to the function object 13:38:07 #'+ 13:38:20 "intern" gets you from string to symbol, and symbol-function gives you the function from a symbol 13:38:24 hypno [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has joined #lisp 13:38:28 yes I know, but that's not what I am looking for Fade 13:39:14 flip214: thank you 13:39:36 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@p5DC9CBCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:43 i'm playing with sbcl and cl-bench, but i get an image corruption. is there something i can do/try to get around that? (increasing --dynamic-space-size didnt seem to do the trick at least) 13:40:28 oh, and this is sbcl 1.0.49/sparc64/solaris 10. 13:41:19 kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.138] has joined #lisp 13:41:20 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.138] has quit [Changing host] 13:41:20 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:44:52 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:45:21 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.158.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:45:23 barely got an hour in on lisp hacking this weekend. ;_; 13:45:24 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.144.19] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:45:30 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.97.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:45:33 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:20 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-rydswqytydrptsxr] has left #lisp 13:46:28 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.158.31] has joined #lisp 13:47:12 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.79.76] has joined #lisp 13:50:18 -!- am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:56:12 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:22 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:58:54 not trying hard enough, j_king 14:00:01 Yeah. Kinda hard to tell your wife and friends that you'd rather be hacking. ;) 14:00:21 *j_king* wussed out. 14:00:27 e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-infckvbeafczfqdz] has joined #lisp 14:01:17 schedule a block of time. 14:01:22 works for me. :) 14:02:22 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:02:57 am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.67] has joined #lisp 14:03:30 -!- loke_ [~elias@bb220-255-46-37.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:02 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 14:05:02 loke [~elias@bb220-255-46-37.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:05:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-11-250.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:06:26 kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-226-61.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 14:06:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-11-250.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:07:30 i should have more time this month. going to finally start working on mug.io client in parenscript + fabric.js 14:07:52 loke_ [~elias@bb116-15-201-6.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:09:01 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.131] has joined #lisp 14:09:06 -!- Bike [~Glossina@adsl-66-122-184-70.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:10:33 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:11:30 -!- whee [~whee@misplaced.smaertness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:33 -!- loke [~elias@bb220-255-46-37.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:11:35 whee_ [~whee@misplaced.smaertness.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:00 -!- whee_ is now known as whee 14:15:35 whee_ [~whee@misplaced.smaertness.net] has joined #lisp 14:15:59 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-132-222.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 14:16:41 -!- whee [~whee@misplaced.smaertness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:16:41 -!- whee_ is now known as whee 14:22:11 DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.144.19] has joined #lisp 14:26:00 I see my book on Lisp games is gaining in popularity.. Kinda embarrassing. The were written when I was learning Lisp back in 1998-2002. The only one I would 'structurally' consider good is the last one on tic-tac-toe. 14:26:47 http://home.online.no/~jpthing/index.html 14:26:55 -!- loke_ [~elias@bb116-15-201-6.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:27:55 Luckily time goes and we learn. 14:31:22 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.144.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:57 -!- silenius_ is now known as silenius 14:33:32 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-148-150.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 14:33:56 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 14:36:54 chu_ [~chu@CPE-58-165-253-149.lns1.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 14:37:14 good link 14:38:07 thank you 14:38:43 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:40:16 -!- chu_ [~chu@CPE-58-165-253-149.lns1.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] 14:41:29 I think Younder's point was that it wasn't so good 14:42:08 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.2.113] has joined #lisp 14:43:44 BlankVer1e 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#lisp 16:44:26 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-132-222.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:46:56 Is there a way to remove the ; compiling output messages temporarily? Or should I just grep -v them? 16:47:06 I'm just trying to work through warnings and getting rid of them all 16:47:27 -!- didi [~user@187.123.197.1] has left #lisp 16:49:29 herbieB: try *compile-print* and *compile-verbose* 16:49:38 -!- e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-infckvbeafczfqdz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:19 or bind a handler for warnings, style-warnings and notes. 16:50:49 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:55 tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:51:25 compile-print worked beautifully, thank you :) 16:51:52 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:52:09 tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:52:18 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #lisp 16:52:49 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 16:53:10 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7578a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:15 -!- lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@46.67.187.21.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:53:22 tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:53:34 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 16:55:45 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 17:00:06 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 17:01:19 -!- iori [~iori@110-133-45-54.rev.home.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:09 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@p5DC9CBCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:05:10 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:05:58 dbrunner [~user@mail.systemhaus-brunner.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:59 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@p5DC9CBCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:57 carlocci [~nes@93.37.194.244] has joined #lisp 17:07:35 Hi, did anybody managed to get a ffi library (e.g. lisp-magick) for ImageMagick running on a Windows machine? 17:07:56 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.194.244] has quit [Client Quit] 17:08:48 carlocci [~nes@93.37.194.244] has joined #lisp 17:09:37 -!- alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:10:39 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:10:58 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:11:27 alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has joined #lisp 17:15:12 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@p5DC9CBCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:18:29 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:19:02 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:20:03 jp_larocque [jabber-irc@number-41.thoughtcrime.us] has joined #lisp 17:22:11 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:22:32 srid [~srid@remote.activestate.com] has joined #lisp 17:22:32 -!- srid [~srid@remote.activestate.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:22:32 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #lisp 17:24:58 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-49-6-99.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:23 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:32 pnq [~nick@AC815B91.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:38 upward [~upward@modemcable101.234-23-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 17:29:27 Could somebody take a look at this small (< 10 line) program and tell me if there's some error in the code itself? http://www.thoughtcrime.us/sbcl-return-bug/bug.lisp 17:29:27 -!- upward [~upward@modemcable101.234-23-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:04 I've boiled down a library after finding what now appears to be a bug in SBCL, but I'd like to be sure there isn't some undefined behavior I don't know about before I report the issue. 17:30:36 There's a corresponding shell script at http://www.thoughtcrime.us/sbcl-return-bug/test.sh to invoke SBCL correctly. It signals SB-INT:SIMPLE-CONTROL-ERROR. 17:32:04 I see no error there. 17:32:36 What happens at a different optimization level? 17:32:56 colazero [~colazero@www5054u.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 17:32:56 morphism [~Nevermind@113.190.163.0] has joined #lisp 17:32:56 ok2 [ok2@kozachuk.info] has joined #lisp 17:33:07 Then it returns T and generally behaves as expected. Same for the actual function which does useful work that it was boiled down from. 17:33:26 Looks like a bug to me. 17:33:33 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC04CBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:33:54 Okay, thanks. 17:35:04 NTU [~matrix@unaffiliated/ntu] has joined #lisp 17:35:23 i have a lisp. is there the place to go for help? 17:35:30 s/there/this/ 17:35:40 NTU: here, or news:comp.lang.lisp 17:35:45 -!- morphism [~Nevermind@113.190.163.0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:46 OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 17:36:05 jp_larocque: on what version of SBCL? 17:36:15 im gunna go 17:36:16 BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 17:36:18 -!- NTU [~matrix@unaffiliated/ntu] has quit [Client Quit] 17:36:41 -!- dbrunner [~user@mail.systemhaus-brunner.de] has left #lisp 17:36:52 pkhuong: 1.0.40.0.debian, amd64. I also forgot to ask someone to check with a more recent SBCL. =) 17:37:11 Smart guy this NTU... Too bad he doesn't seem to be a programmer. 17:37:35 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-232-52-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:03 After this I've got a 5-10kline program to boil down. A not-reliably-reproducible failed AVER that apparently only two other people have hit. 17:39:30 zfx [~zfx@host81-158-149-44.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:37 -!- zfx [~zfx@host81-158-149-44.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:39:37 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 17:39:38 Natch [~natch@c-adcee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 17:39:41 -!- Natch| [~natch@46.246.125.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39:50 -!- Natch is now known as Natch| 17:40:14 *_3b* gets error from 1.0.36, x86 linux, no error from 1.0.48.15 x8664 17:40:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-84.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:42:39 Okay, it's probably been fixed then. I just checked with 1.0.45.0.debian amd64 on an Ubuntu machine I have lying around. 17:43:19 Now the question of whether to work around it, try convincing the Debian maintainer to backport the fix for a stable update, or screw with apt pinning. 17:44:45 I find it best just to use the pacakaged sbcl to manually maintain my working sbcl. 17:44:57 lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@46.67.187.21.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 17:45:00 s/maintain/bootstrap 17:46:49 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-221-220.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:47:47 pinterface1 [~pinterfac@173-20-55-85.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 17:48:33 hypno__ [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has joined #lisp 17:49:07 Well thanks for the additional datapoints, I guess I'll pass on reporting this. 17:49:12 -!- jp_larocque [jabber-irc@number-41.thoughtcrime.us] has left #lisp 17:50:58 aoh_ [~aki@85.23.168.115] has joined #lisp 17:51:16 mjonsson_ [~mjonsson@38.109.95.205] has joined #lisp 17:51:22 p_l|back1p 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[~Adium@c-71-232-52-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:56:26 Is the order of the arguments of find's :test guaranteed to be one way or the other? For instance, would (find 2 '(1 2 3 4 5) :test #'<) return 1 or 3 or unknown? 18:57:28 Apparently sbcl returns 3 for that case 18:58:16 -!- faust45 [~faust45@199-5-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: faust45] 18:58:17 If the sequence contains an element that satisfies the test, then the leftmost or rightmost sequence element, depending on from-end, is returned; otherwise nil is returned. 18:58:37 so, yes, it'll always return 3 in that case 18:58:48 anvandare: I don't think that's what he's asking. 18:58:54 Well, it doesn't say what order it passes in to #'< 18:59:15 Will it do (funcall #'< needle haystack-item) or (funcall #'< haystack-item needle) 18:59:34 oh, i see 18:59:54 herbieB: It says here  http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/17_ba.htm 19:00:10 So it does, thanks 19:01:15 I guess I'll be using find-if then :P 19:02:33 herbieB: You could always just pass a lambda that reverses the functions as :test. 19:02:49 Well, I wanted the test to be #'cl-ppcre:scan 19:04:28 If I'm going to be using a lambda anyway< I might as well use test-if 19:04:47 herbieB: But not like (find "some-regex" '("string1" "string2" ) :test #'cl-ppcre:scon) 19:05:03 Yep, except my code has it the other way 19:05:08 The patterns are in the list of objects 19:05:44 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-21-49-216.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:49 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 19:05:49 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 19:05:49 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:06:06 Ah, I see. 19:07:14 No problem, just use :test (swap-arguments (function cl-ppcre:scon)). 19:08:11 Well, sure, if I really wanted to use find over find-if, I could do that. But both are equially succinct if I have to do something like that 19:12:59 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-010-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:37 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 19:15:38 youguy [~youguy@183.Red-81-33-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:58 -!- aoh_ is now known as aoh 19:24:57 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@vpn-136-016.rz.uni-augsburg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:27:11 saules_ [~saules@213.155.190.131] has joined #lisp 19:27:34 lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@46.67.187.21.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 19:28:16 blandest` [~blandest@79.112.42.207] has joined #lisp 19:33:33 -!- lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@46.67.187.21.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:38 -!- youguy [~youguy@183.Red-81-33-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:34:14 -!- benny [~benny@i577A2965.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:54 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:38:25 benny [~benny@i577A2665.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:40:55 zfx [~zfx@host86-137-204-61.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:40:55 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-137-204-61.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:40:55 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 19:43:05 aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 19:44:10 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-226-61.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45:30 -!- blandest` [~blandest@79.112.42.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:22 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:49:54 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:54:52 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl14-79-151.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:55:01 -!- pkhuong_ is now known as pkhuong 19:57:43 kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-232-203.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 19:57:55 hello lispers 19:58:03 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-49-6-99.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 19:59:24 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7578a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:53 I have a question about lists. is it faster to append element to a list or to cons elements to the list and finally reverse it ? or it is the same ? 20:00:21 *append elements in a loop 20:00:30 about the same 20:00:49 both inefficient ? 20:00:55 both efficient 20:01:02 nice 20:01:30 <_3b> do you mean the append keyword of LOOP, or a loop that calls APPEND? 20:01:45 i remember Clisp using push & reverse for loop's collect, but other implementations usually save the last cons and modify it 20:01:51 s/reverse/nreverse/ 20:02:03 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-010-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:02:17 <_3b> calling APPEND in a loop is O(n^2), while push+reverse is O(N) 20:02:17 calling append. It's not a real loop. it's my event/thread-queue based http server 20:02:27 <_3b> append or collect in LOOP should be O(N) as well 20:02:45 <_3b> the LOOP keywords append and collect that is 20:02:48 Constant Factors Matter(TM) 20:02:57 Not 20:03:08 <_3b> exponents matter more than constant factors though 20:04:04 I'm confused, by your two opinions :) 20:04:04 collect should be O(1), though 20:04:04 for a single collect, that is 20:04:04 it's not a loop, it's the read socket event in truth 20:04:04 Amadiro [~Amadiro@pC19F3699.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:16 sorry for misleading 20:04:20 <_3b> every call to APPEND has to walk the list 20:04:20 kiuma: i have the same opinion as _3b 20:04:37 <_3b> so buliding a length N list with APPEND is O(N^2) 20:04:45 so push+reverse should be the right choice 20:05:02 <_3b> building the same list with CONS or PUSH and REVERSE is O(2N) = O(N) 20:05:20 kiuma: for what? the right choice for me would be not to append to the end 20:05:28 <_3b> if the 2 matters, you can store a pointer to the end of the list, and add elements directly to that without walking the list 20:06:15 and when calling APPEND it also has to copy a list to which you're appending 20:08:14 Vivitron [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:05 1 moment.. cell 20:12:07 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:14 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:14:30 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-063-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:45 done, I my http server I read from the socket 1 byte at a time and I have to collect bytes in a buffer. Once I have received all the header buffer I call a parser to lispify the http header. (the same will be done with the request body) 20:16:18 why do you want a list? 20:16:30 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:16:41 pkhuong, in truth it's a vector 20:17:21 does it change much? would I have different options directly working with a vector ? 20:17:43 <_3b> appending to a vector that doubles when it fills is O(N) also 20:17:45 eugu [~eugene@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 20:18:23 <_3b> (and adding to the front of a vector would be O(N^2)) 20:19:10 <_3b> log2(n) typed arrays are probably faster to collect than N conses as well, once you are done with them 20:19:21 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-063-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:20:02 <_3b> (collect as in GC) 20:20:17 depending on the usage, it might be worth the trouble to keep a list of geometrically growing vectors and only flatten them once you're done. 20:20:47 <_3b> do you need to grow geometrically if flattening as a separate step? 20:21:31 not for big-Oh, but it helps minimize the overhead from allocation, GC, and, to a much lesser extent, cache effects. 20:22:19 _3b, ok but suppose that I start with a reasonable sized array (let's say 32k) and of course it has to be adjustable, when the array is adjusted , which is the new added dimension, just the size of the newly allocated element 20:23:14 pkhuong, yes I haven't considered the GC effect 20:23:14 apexi200sx [~apexi200s@cpc10-salf5-2-0-cust242.10-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:23:27 <_3b> kiuma: most lisps that i've checked double the size of the array if you don't pass an explicit size when vector-push-extend overflows 20:24:02 <_3b> (or approximately double, since doubling doesn't help if the size is 0) 20:24:03 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:24:46 it will be 32k -> 64k -> 128k ? 20:24:51 <_3b> right 20:25:02 mmmm.. 20:25:13 Cautious [~cautious1@178-223-183-121.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 20:25:14 <_3b> you can pass the current size as the amount to expand it if you want to make sure 20:25:49 for the boudy part it could lead to a GC problem if the body is big and there are many users 20:26:01 ah ok 20:26:04 I love cffi-grovel 20:26:04 <_3b> you can't expand by just 1, since that would require copying the whole array for every element it expands, which would be O(N^2) 20:26:05 <3 20:26:36 <_3b> doubling it meand it only copies any given element on average once, so O(2N) = O(N) 20:28:46 <_3b> you can store a list of chunks of fixed size, and copy at the end if you want a fixed maximum of wasted space, and still get O(2N) 20:30:16 ah, now it's clear I could for example make the array grow by 32k when needed (coul be configurable) that could be a good compromise 20:30:36 <_3b> (you still have 2N used space, which could be a problem if N is user controlled and you don't trust the users :) 20:31:42 -!- Cautious [~cautious1@178-223-183-121.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has left #lisp 20:32:03 _3b, but request headers will have a limit anyway 20:32:23 I could also limit the number of concurrent users 20:32:30 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-100-242.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:05 <_3b> i'd pick doubling over fixed growth, maybe start smaller than 32k though 20:34:18 _3b, but what if I have to collect date from a