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Replacement of darcs? 18:19:05 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 18:19:29 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.46.36] has joined #lisp 18:19:41 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:20:15 billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:20 lichtblau: replacement 18:20:21 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-75-20-234-48.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 18:20:37 -!- delYsid` is now known as delYsid 18:22:12 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-206-2.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:12 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 18:22:30 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:22:54 lichtblau: and as soon as I created the repo, a guy forked it and pushed some ECL fixes 18:22:55 cool 18:23:11 I should take a look at them one of these days :) 18:23:43 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@62.32.131.253] has quit [] 18:24:26 PaulWhoIsAGhost [~linus@128-23-138-13.musc.edu] has joined #lisp 18:25:25 slyrus___ [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:26 http://gitorious.org/~lichteblau/cffi/lichteblau-cffi/commits/allegro 18:29:00 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 18:30:33 Joric [~Quit@unaffiliated/joric] has joined #lisp 18:31:35 -!- DrForr_ is now known as DrForr 18:32:44 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082F3E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:47 "Comrade! Comrade! The Americans are using Lisp to write their rocket launching software! I broke into their research lab and stole a page from the teletype machine! It's not the whole program, but it's the final page and contains the concluding logic of the program!" 18:33:06 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 18:34:59 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:26 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:35:44 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109.92.120.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:35:46 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 18:36:11 -!- Lis [~Lis@business-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:36:22 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082EC6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:18 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 18:37:26 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.46.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:47 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 18:38:53 Joric: The standing joke is, of course, a page full of close-parens, but the actual joke is that programs were written with the high-level control at the top in those days, so the last page would actually contain some minor function to tweak the hardware or something. 18:41:07 -!- maden [~maden@dsl-157-212.aei.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:41:19 -!- slyrus___ [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:42:27 xan_ [~xan@92-249-219-104.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 18:42:46 varjag [~eugene@72.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:44:38 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 18:48:29 -!- jules2 [~Jules@cust-03-55bf2084.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:57 jules2 [~Jules@cust-03-55bf2084.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #lisp 18:49:02 bandu [~coyotama@coyotama-1-pt.tunnel.tserv8.dal1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:00 -!- Joric [~Quit@unaffiliated/joric] has quit [] 18:50:26 slyrus___ [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:17 -!- Krystof has set mode -o Krystof 18:52:00 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-142.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:52:49 astalla [~astalla@93-36-230-118.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 18:53:06 milanj [~milanj_@109.92.121.59] has joined #lisp 18:55:12 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:55:36 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-54-171.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: galaxywatcher] 18:57:52 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:59:40 Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.92.91] has joined #lisp 19:00:26 -!- tayloj [~Adium@clip-point-02.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:59 is there a usual way to package lisp software to end-lusers who don't care. I'm rollong my own (with a configure.lisp that you edit and that's turned into lisp-understandable structures during compilation so the rest of to program can read them (this is a roguelike game, so you actually have an install procedure that 2 lines of shell more involved then cp)) 19:01:53 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-129-145.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:03 krzysz00: I sell lisp softwares to lisp-unaware people and tell them to run a shell script. 19:02:14 krzysz00: i also use buildapp for sbcl-based applications. 19:03:07 -!- aw [~aw@157.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:03:45 krzysz00: in answer to your direct question, i don't think there's a usual way. 19:04:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:04:13 -!- PaulWhoIsAGhost [~linus@128-23-138-13.musc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:06:06 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-129-145.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:06:18 -!- jules2 [~Jules@cust-03-55bf2084.adsl.scarlet.nl] has left #lisp 19:06:19 It also depends on the target platform. 19:07:05 Xach: I thought buildapp/dumping an image is the "usual way" 19:10:31 Taggnostr [~x@dyn57-487.yok.fi] has joined #lisp 19:12:02 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-129-145.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:50 adeht: You could end up with a lot of big image-files that way though. 19:13:39 Pohsul: buildapp lets you multiplex applications through argv, which can sometimes be helpful. 19:15:15 alternatively, I can mail you a nickel so you can buy a real hard drive. 19:16:15 Maybe i can mow the lawn so i earn the nickel... 19:16:15 Yes, but space gets tight for my ipad sbcl apps... 19:16:58 Xach: my current build process (from source) consists of 1| edit configure.lisp, where you set the location for the binary and other system-dependent trivia. 2) call upp make.lisp through a Makefile target, which asdf:oos 's all of his and loads in the options from configure.lisp and dumps an image of all this. 3| run make install, which calls a lisp-generated shell-scriptto install all of this 19:18:07 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:38 On Windows, there's a bat file that hides all of this, and the lusers get a zip wiith an image .exe and a few dlls 19:22:34 krzysz00: it's not extremely stable in my experience, but sbcl supports a single executable format which could be distributed standalone too, not sure if that works on the OS you want however 19:22:35 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.18.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:44 Joreji [~thomas@82-238.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:23:58 and ECL makes it rather easy to generate standalone (statically linked) or dynamically linked final executable which require a few libraries 19:24:18 sbcl fails a bit with my program. clisp also spits out smaller stand-alones (you must ship the dlls on windows) 19:27:01 under Windows, when I made executables for GUI programs I had to modify the PE characteristics field in the PE header so that the console won't show up 19:27:03 davazp2 [~user@83.46.7.98] has joined #lisp 19:27:07 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 19:27:14 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:27:17 not a guiL uses curses 19:27:24 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 19:28:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:29:48 Holcxjo [~holly@home.sinclair-durer.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:49 krzysz00: it's possible to bundle the dlls into the executable (e.g., using pebundle), though I wouldn't generally recommend it 19:30:07 -!- housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:30:12 -!- Holcxjo is now known as HDurer 19:30:19 Edward__ [edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-78-125.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:30:27 -!- 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has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:41:55 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-142.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:08 -!- rfg [~rfg@host81-102-105-68.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has left #lisp 19:44:34 why does (merge-pathnames (user-homedir-pathname) 19:44:34 (parse-namestring ".config/motm/saves/")) not yield #p"/home/foo/.config/motm.saves/" on unix with clisp 19:44:52 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:44:54 of sbcl 19:45:37 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-206-2.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:45:53 Because you have it backwards? 19:46:37 thanks 19:48:18 -!- djm_ is now known as djm 19:50:04 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:46 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B202530.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:30 fiveop [~fiveop@g229174117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:52:28 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B202530.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:54:30 in clisp, how does one create a directory given a pathname that points to where it will be? 19:55:18 ensure-directories-exist 19:55:33 p.s. it is standard 19:55:36 asarch [~asarch@189.188.144.192] has joined #lisp 19:55:37 is that standard or no? 19:55:52 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.149.252] has quit [Quit: Well, the machine might have gone down. Brb after a reboot.] 19:55:55 clhs ensure-directories-exist 19:55:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_ensu_1.htm 19:57:08 thanks 19:58:17 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 20:00:04 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:55 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-114-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:47 (parse-f66-expression "1.eq.3.and.(4**2.gt.11.or.5.eq.24)") => (AND (= 1 3) (OR (> (EXPT 4 2) 11) (= 5 24))) 20:02:27 muahaha, lisp is frickin awesome ;) 20:02:27 -!- Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:03:12 yes! 20:06:49 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:07:48 Hun [~hun@95-89-68-85-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:08:04 fortran is such a pita to parse too. . l e . is the same as .le. 20:08:16 or even a newline right in the middle of a symbol 20:08:19 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 20:09:14 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 20:10:01 bytecolor: hmm. that must be very old fortran? fortan95 at least is a pretty nice language imo. 20:11:48 hypno: yes, it's fortran 66 20:11:59 just noodling around with parsing 20:12:07 Don't forget to parse Hollerith strings! :-) 20:12:35 Is that a handwritten Fortran parser? 20:12:41 rtoym: yup, that should be fun, my parser has a (repeat x y form) though. 20:13:11 rtoym: it's a hybrid, using parsing expression grammars syntax 20:13:42 (repeat min max form), that is 20:15:16 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@161.210.164.207] has quit [Quit: Snamich] 20:15:18 the macro expansions are a frickin nightmare, but it works so far 20:16:40 learning quite a bit about macro expansion though, it gets crazy when recursive macros expand to macros that expand to macros that expand to recursive macros. :) 20:16:46 -!- Edward__ [edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-78-125.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19:21 -!- davazp2 [~user@83.46.7.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:36 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.144.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:23:59 how does one get the time in a single uman-readable string 20:24:24 you can use the local-time library 20:25:07 I think umans can just read universal time numbers directly. :) 20:25:12 or do it yourself with get-decoded-time or get-universal-time/decode-universal-time 20:28:14 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:29:27 What is the internet-standard date order DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY 20:29:38 YYYY-MM-DD 20:29:38 asarch [~asarch@189.188.144.192] has joined #lisp 20:32:11 dunkyp [~user@188-223-2-193.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:32:14 for future reference (defun time-string () 20:32:14 (multiple-value-bind (second minute hour date month year foo bar baz) 20:32:14 (get-decoded-time) 20:32:14 (format nil "~d-~d-~d ~d:~d:~d" year month date hour minute second))) 20:32:35 you forgot the timezone 20:33:28 but please use lisppaste to share code 20:34:11 krzysz00: you should google up ISO8601 20:34:22 if you really want to share times 20:34:32 In a defclass is it possible to have a slot which references the value of another slot in its initform, as I would do with let*? 20:34:42 no 20:34:42 Pohsul [Pohsul@62.32.150.91] has joined #lisp 20:35:04 ok thanks 20:35:34 hi folks, I have two questions about Swank... 20:35:44 aw [~aw@157.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:46 -!- lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:10 1) is there a way to prevent it from spawning a new thread, but block the calling thread instead? 20:36:11 dunkyp: it's however possible to play with initialize-instance method which might do what you need 20:36:14 -!- morphling [~stefan@95.117.123.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:38 2) is there a client for Swank written in CL rather than elisp? 20:37:32 phadthai: thanks a lot I'll have a look at it 20:37:49 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:39:50 Edward__ [~edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-28-182.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:39:50 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:25 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:03 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 20:44:09 -!- eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has quit [Quit: eugu] 20:44:40 varjag [~eugene@72.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:45:49 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109.92.121.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:46:03 -!- varjag [~eugene@72.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Client Quit] 20:46:31 Intensity [DbFDVlxpsN@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 20:49:21 tayloj [~Adium@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:53:37 Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:04 -!- p_l|backup [~plasek@pp83.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:56:29 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-14-245.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56:51 say I have a list of 40 elements, but (due to arcane constraints) can only display 20 at a time. Also, say that (display-elm x) displays the element and (more) clears up the screen and some other things to the next set can come in. What I can't figure out is you to the 20 at-a-time iteration? 20:57:10 p_l|backup [~plasek@pp83.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:57:33 -!- snafuchs is now known as antifuchs 21:00:12 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:19 milanj [~milanj_@109.92.120.209] has joined #lisp 21:00:28 wait I'll try (loop for i from 1 to (length list) and elm in list do (disp-elm elm) (when (= 0 (mod i 20)) (more))) 21:00:38 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@g229174117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 21:00:39 devon [~devon@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 21:00:56 -!- tayloj [~Adium@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 21:00:57 tayloj [~Adium@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:01:05 argiopeweb_ [~elliot@66.42.91.184.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:02:33 krzysz00: no need to call (length list) 21:03:55 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:26 krzysz00: use zerop instead of (= 0 ...) 21:05:03 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:05:05 krzysz00: adeht means you can just say "for i from 1" 21:07:05 I'd have a divisible-by-p operator 21:09:50 (defun divisible-by-p (p number) ...)? 21:10:10 (defun divisible-by-p (a b) (= 0 (mod a b))) 21:10:21 No, no... 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i've tryed clisp but it raise an error when trying (define x 3) for example 01:26:32 x-ip: you should use a scheme compiler 01:26:49 x-ip: common lisp and scheme are different languages 01:27:31 thanks dlowe :) 01:27:31 I'm having trouble calling (defvar *myvar* ...) I get error saying *myvar* is unbound. what am I missing? 01:27:58 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:29:10 Kenjin: what is the exact code? 01:29:13 x-ip: what is the purple book? 01:29:23 SICP? 01:29:30 yes 01:29:35 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-10.html 01:29:49 thanks dlowe i found that guile does the work :) 01:30:14 x-ip: glad to hear it 01:30:14 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:18 Kenjin: are you sure defvar is cl:defvar? 01:30:36 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:05 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 01:32:45 adeht: there might be some issues with packages yes. Still getting my head around order and stuff 01:32:45 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:58 davazp: exact code is "(defvar *player* (make-instance 'cell))" 01:33:15 let me pastie 01:35:02 Kenjin: perhaps you're missing a (:use :cl) in your package definition 01:35:43 adeht: http://paste.lisp.org/submit 01:35:58 wrong url 01:36:06 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:36:35 ups 01:36:35 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:02 http://paste.lisp.org/display/111965 01:37:02 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:26 [04:35] Kenjin: perhaps you're missing a (:use :cl) in your package definition 01:37:37 adeht is right 01:38:50 Ambiguity [~Ambiguity@adsl-179-117-51.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:54 I has :use :cl but then I was getting a name collision with cl-glut (can't imagine way... maybe another thing that's escaping me) 01:39:22 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:25 personally I never :use these packages, I just qualify the gl: and glut: symbols 01:41:23 what does that mean? Is that the way it should be done? 01:41:23 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:15 Kenjin: it means saying GL:FOO, instead of (:use :gl) and then FOO 01:42:48 whether it's "the way" depends on the circumstances, if the package name is short enough, you can just qualify it 01:43:03 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:43:16 :USE is a blunt tool, so sometimes it leads to unanticipated conflicts 01:43:35 Kenjin: the glut package exports some symbols that have the same names as symbols in the CL package, but are different from them.. if you want to use both packages you need to shadow-import the ones you actually want 01:44:28 adeht: yeah this is what I get 01:44:29 http://paste.lisp.org/display/111965#1 01:44:39 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 01:44:54 mathrick: but i was planning to use gl:foo anyway. even if only for readability 01:45:15 so I can remove those :use from my package file? 01:45:18 Kenjin: so remove cl-opengl and cl-glut from the use list, and just leave cl 01:46:07 adeht: should I remove (in-package :common-lisp) also? 01:46:07 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:24 "just leave cl" 01:46:31 ok 01:47:03 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:08 adeht: so all I need is to have required cl-opengl and cl-glut before loading my file and use gl:foo etc with no problem. correct? 01:48:20 right 01:48:23 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:48:56 -!- Matrox [~Matrox@unaffiliated/matrox] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:49:21 adeht: these requires should go where optimally? rigth now i'm doing them by and in the REPL at the start of my slime session 01:49:28 *hand 01:49:36 you should define your own system in an .asd file 01:49:49 this system should depend on cl-opengl and cl-glut 01:49:58 you should also read up on packages 01:50:17 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:50:31 Kenjin: I suggest you to read http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html 01:50:32 http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html for a nice tutorial about asdf 01:50:36 davazp :) 01:50:37 adeht: well 01:50:39 :-) 01:50:45 adeht: I've read some, got quite mixed up it seems. 01:50:51 hehe that was cool 01:51:55 thanks all. Going to catch up on the reading ;) 01:54:22 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: have a good night everyone] 01:54:48 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 01:56:20 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-142-57-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01:29 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:53 -!- baddog [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:42 toast-prime [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:42 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:43 -!- toast-prime is now known as toast` 02:04:56 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:05:25 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-195-250.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:05 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:23 Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-141-177-94.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:17:46 Good morning! 02:19:49 -!- jasonx_ [jasonx@93-138-18-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:21:24 Hello beach. 02:22:15 -!- davazp [~user@83.46.7.98] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:22:42 ... Oh dear. Seeing a linux box complain of "badness" in a kernel message is never of the good. 02:23:41 -!- Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:16 heh 02:24:20 jasonx [jasonx@78-1-143-14.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 02:26:19 I'll have to do a proper shutdown of it soon. 02:27:17 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 02:28:36 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:57 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.9] 02:36:40 -!- Edward__ [~edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-28-182.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 02:41:18 argiopeweb [~elliot@66.42.91.184.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:41:38 -!- LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-102-211.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:45:44 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.146] has joined #lisp 02:57:32 ysph [~user@adsl-221-198-35.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:05 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 02:58:32 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:48 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 02:59:40 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 03:04:47 baddog [~user@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:05:05 -!- baddog is now known as Guest47711 03:05:16 -!- Guest47711 [~user@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:05:16 Guest47711 [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 03:05:31 -!- Guest47711 is now known as baddog 03:07:18 cats are more highly evolved because they breed faster 03:09:36 since they are talking about even dumber stuff on #gamedev may I ask any lisp gl hackers if there are any cross-platform gl context/window managers that support shared contexts? 03:11:06 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:11:08 once again the east coast is sleeping and europe is just thinking about breakfast 03:11:21 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 03:11:40 manic12: you mean those that wake up disturbingly early 03:11:54 yeah 03:12:00 as for shared context, what do you mean by that? 03:12:02 i can't add, really 03:12:43 it allows you to share textures and such 03:13:10 ah, you mean use single context for multiple windows? 03:13:26 so for texture fonts I can easily support multiple windows 03:13:46 unfortunately I don't know of one 03:13:58 one shared context, plus usually one context per window 03:14:38 i just tried sdl 1.3 and was disappointed 03:14:42 Snamich [~Snamich@32.169.178.131] has joined #lisp 03:16:28 I feel like I'm going to have to write my own sdl-ish thing, gag 03:18:45 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-195-250.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:20:14 complex inderectmedia layer 03:21:06 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:24:51 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@32.169.178.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:25:49 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:26:19 cmsimon [~tific@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 03:26:36 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109.92.120.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27:24 -!- cmsimon [~tific@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:28:30 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 03:28:40 -!- slyrus__ [~chatzilla@adsl-75-55-213-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28:52 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:35:07 *p_l|backup* looks into inline caching for CLOS 03:36:59 i don't know why I'm worried because it's not like i can have more than one rendering thread 03:37:10 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-54-171.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 03:37:17 Snamich [~Snamich@166.189.147.49] has joined #lisp 03:42:37 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl5-43-9.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:43:02 hohoho [~hohoho@p4ae269.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:47:23 Bahman [~bubastis@92.42.52.18] has joined #lisp 03:48:37 Hi all! 03:48:59 i'm the only one here, Hi 03:49:17 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.144.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:50:29 skalawagHome [~mark@c75-111-83-99.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:45 manic12: Hi loner :-) 03:51:25 *p_l|backup* is here as well 03:51:34 (it worked) 03:52:57 Greetings p_l|backup. 03:53:30 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.165.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:54:35 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-195-250.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:38 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.165.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 03:58:41 tansh2030 [~tansh@60.163.127.52] has joined #lisp 04:01:34 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 04:01:34 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has joined #lisp 04:02:05 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-195-250.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:05:55 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:07:40 woot, I have successfully cut the memory usage of my ray tracer in half... the bad thing is it still uses 20GB according to time 04:08:09 -!- tansh2030 [~tansh@60.163.127.52] has left #lisp 04:10:00 mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:11:23 what are you rendering, thousands of bolts and screws? 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I've been talking with someone about using stack allocation for some parts, but haven't implemented anything yet 04:17:58 keep your arrays around and reuse them 04:18:39 don't call make-array in a loop, for instance 04:19:16 ah, okay 04:19:52 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 04:21:10 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 04:22:21 <_3b> who cares about 20GB... if the GC isn't taking up a large part of your run time, cons all you want :p 04:22:35 paging? 04:23:34 _3b, I was looking for you to whine 04:23:39 to 04:23:46 <_3b> 20GB according to top would be more of a problem, yes :) 04:24:20 well, it says it consed roughly 20 billion bytes 04:24:22 sdl 1.3 doesn't support shared contexts :/ 04:24:27 <_3b> pretty easy to cons gigs without ever going over a few hundred MB res 04:24:38 GC takes about 4 seconds of total runtime 04:25:30 <_3b> 4 out of how many total? 04:25:44 28 04:25:58 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 04:26:32 *_3b* would probably profile first and worry about other things than specifically consing 04:26:53 <_3b> for example specifying types for arrays (which could help with memory use as well) 04:28:13 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 04:28:26 <_3b> or for numbers in general, if you are on a platform without immediate floats, or are using a larger float type than would be immediate 04:29:20 <_3b> actually, i guess specifying types for numbers in general... immediate floats would be more about consing, which i just said not to worry about :p 04:29:22 I've got everything typed, all the arrays used and functions, but also it is an extremely basic ray tracer right now, I'm working through a book about it and it has to check every object in the scene (35 or so spheres right now) with each ray (roughly 2.5 million) 04:30:08 sounds fun 04:30:23 I was thinking of going ahead and writing it in c++ along with cl while I work through that way I can compare against each other 04:31:14 I just noticed the :alloc mode for the statistical profiler, I'm guessing that's what you meant by profiling the memory usage? 04:31:28 <_3b> i meant profile performance and ignore memory usage :p 04:31:49 unless you're running it on your wristwatch 04:31:53 <_3b> but once you get to the point about looking specifically at memory use, that would be good 04:33:19 I've profiled in cpu mode and used time to check in general, the only thing that stands out in the profile is there are still generic arithmetic functions being called 04:33:40 <_3b> possibly something wrong with your declarations 04:34:39 you should write it in cuda and use that as the reference 04:35:24 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:35:40 -!- jasonx [jasonx@78-1-143-14.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:41 cuda for wristwatches 04:36:11 *manic12* is getting nutty and should sleep 04:36:14 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-137-141.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:38:44 -!- pookleblinky [~pookle@cpe-67-252-154-25.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40:04 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:41:28 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-221-198-35.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:41:31 how exactly do you read a call graph 04:41:35 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.9] 04:43:47 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 04:44:28 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47:22 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:07 *p_l|backup* wonders why he didn't think of using twitter to search for work before 04:54:37 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:58:24 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:59:28 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has joined #lisp 04:59:46 badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:59:46 -!- badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 04:59:46 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 05:03:07 *_3b* uses slime-sprof rather than reading sprof results directly 05:03:10 evening 05:06:21 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 05:06:44 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 05:11:32 -!- WOG [~OsamaBinW@24-177-10-101.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:15:07 Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-124-221.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:16:37 hello slyrus 05:21:36 3b, you mean using M-x slime-toggle-profile-fdefinition and slime-profile-report, or something different? 05:21:58 <_3b> M-x slime-sprof-start and -stop and -report 05:22:05 <_3b> possibly requires loading a contrib 05:23:09 yeah, must need to 05:25:03 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 05:25:33 <_3b> odd, i don't seem to have a slime-setup in my .emacs anymore 05:25:44 http://bknr.net/svn/trunk/thirdparty/slime/contrib/slime-sprof.el 05:25:50 is that what you're referring to? 05:25:51 <_3b> yeah, that one 05:26:19 <_3b> (well, assuming that isn't some odd fork of it or something, should be included with slime) 05:28:02 okay, I've got it loaded now 05:28:54 the issue is really more about architecture (esp where inlining or working on whole arrays at a time pays off) than sprinkling declarations everywhere. 05:33:32 I definitely agree, but this is my first major lisp project so it's something I'll have to figure out 05:36:15 pers [~user@55.sub-75-220-189.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 05:36:54 T1750 [~T1750@unaffiliated/t1750] has joined #lisp 05:38:12 i thought you were supposed to be able to cross-compile sbcl 1.0.39 with clisp 2.4.4.1 05:39:00 i tried to package it for opensuse that way, on my system it entered the debgger a few times, complained a lot and some of the contribs didn't work 05:39:21 is sbcl really be able to be made wtih abything beside sbcl now? :) 05:39:34 *T1750* notice fedora didn't bother and used the binary ver 05:39:40 <_3b> clisp has worked recently, don't know about specific versions 05:39:58 2.4.4.1 is listed specifically in INSTALL as a version that works 05:39:59 <_3b> needed some extra options from what i remember though 05:40:17 those options weren't mentioned... 05:40:45 fedora appear to use the binary ver ot sbcl to make the source ver 05:40:52 well 05:40:55 wthats the point in that 05:41:02 might have well just installed the binary ver 05:41:32 -!- m``_ [~m@usealice.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:41:45 im not very good with rpm or lisp 05:41:47 m`` [~m@usealice.org] has joined #lisp 05:41:49 but 05:41:55 it said it works! 05:41:57 heh 05:42:08 i think i will one day re-package the binary version instead 05:42:19 *T1750* isn't allowed to do that 05:42:24 maybe no-one will notice 05:42:47 T1750: use binary package of SBCL to compile the SBCL for RPM 05:42:54 after all, GCC does that as well:D 05:42:55 yeah thats what fedora do 05:43:05 thats cheating 05:43:08 (the same goes for GHC) 05:43:17 milanj [~milanj_@178.223.151.188] has joined #lisp 05:43:21 -!- pers [~user@55.sub-75-220-189.myvzw.com] has left #lisp 05:43:22 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43:29 T1750: no, it's not. Actually, GCC is probably less cross-compilable with other compilers than SBCL 05:44:03 I noticed something strange, in Hyperspec page http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/e_cnd.htm it says that slow-value/with-slots should not be used on condition objects, and if it works is implementation-dependent, and SBCL's define-condition documentation also mirrors this idea: (Condition types are classes, but (as allowed by ANSI and not as described in CLtL2) are neither STANDARD-OBJECTs nor STRUCTURE-OBJECTs. WITH-SLOTS and SLOT-VALUE ma 05:44:04 However, slot-value works just fine on condition objects in SBCL, as they're not implemented too differently from standard-object's. What was the rationale for disallowing slot-value be used on condition objects in CLHS? Optimization? Wouldn't that mean that definition accessors when definining conditions mandatory, otherwise there's no other way to set or read the value of a slot? 05:44:05 be happy it's not CMUCL 05:44:10 i don't undertstand why bother build it though 05:44:14 i got a binary ver 05:44:17 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 05:44:21 some silly policy says it has to build itself 05:44:26 just install the binary ver 05:44:33 *slot-value 05:44:40 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:44:46 ah welll 05:45:16 ljames: possibly optimization, allowing implementations to get rid of various stuff in order to make condition handling *fast* 05:45:26 it's not going to work unless i do it these poeple saying they did it on clisp must not have had the same clisp setup 05:45:48 ah, so it's the same rationale as using slot-value on structs. 05:46:29 *p_l|backup* is pondering the need for metacircular CLOS 05:46:34 <_3b> T1750: i think the options to build with clisp were something like clisp -ansi -on-error abort 05:47:09 ljames: I got used to use with-slots on structures and condition objects; pretty much all implementations support that 05:47:48 It does work in the ones I use commonly at least. 05:47:50 the only problem I have is that it actually refetches the slots from memory each time and SBCL doesn't do any CSE 05:48:07 -!- tcr1 is now known as tcr 05:48:10 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-124-221.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48:25 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 05:48:46 sometimes that's what you want (symbol-macros) but most often you want let bindings, in my experience 05:48:54 will an sbcl made with sbcl be "better" in some way than one made with clisp 05:48:58 arnesi has had a with-slot-values 05:49:14 i saw a lot of clisp "downgrading" things 05:49:34 <_3b> T1750: as far as i know, they should be the same... it builds portable compiler and uses that to compile the real one or something like that 05:49:35 Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-240-16.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:49:38 aha, this is neat, thanks 3b 05:49:53 _3b: that's one of those in theory things right! :) 05:49:54 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.58.49] has joined #lisp 05:50:04 _3b: I'll try your fix first 05:50:10 T1750: nope - CLISP will first build a "portable" SBCL (that will run in CLISP) which is then used to build SBCL 05:50:26 and all the contribs 05:50:30 will works exactly the same 05:50:46 yep 05:51:00 because clisp did build sbcll but the contrb tests fails 05:51:16 *T1750* notices fedora seem to have patched out some of thsoe tests too 05:51:58 which one? 05:52:27 sbcl-1.0.38-2.fc14.src.rpm 05:52:47 I was gunna rip their spec so I could have it for OpenSUSE but it looked quite naughty 05:53:09 so i branched someone else from opensuse who was trying to build it with clisp 05:53:31 *T1750* thinks he will just cheat like Fedora though 05:53:34 they're not stupid 05:53:49 i'm sure they did it for a good reaso 05:54:21 <_3b> well, if nothing else, it probably builds faster on sbcl :p 05:54:32 Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has joined #lisp 05:56:07 question to developers here - how often do you specialize on more than one parameter (in methods)? 05:57:15 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Quit: off] 05:58:01 iirc, that follows ~ a power law. You can pretty much ignore 4+ specialised arguments, and 3 is very rare. 05:59:32 hmm... so I think my idea is still viable 05:59:56 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:00:08 (doing inline caching of methods) 06:00:27 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:01:00 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:01:26 p_l|backup: you know how to wokr the OpenSUSE build monster? 06:02:06 maybe you can fix my spec so it doesn't cheat :D 06:02:09 T1750: nope, stopped using SUSE somewhere around 10.1 and I was never big on making RPMs... can do it, but usually staying away 06:02:31 *T1750* thinks if Fedora experts who actually know lisp and RPM chose to cheat then they probably did it because its a good idea 06:02:52 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 06:03:08 T1750: I'll say this - be happy it's not CMUCL 06:03:14 heh 06:03:27 *T1750* just likes the idea you can compile to native code 06:03:44 i'm a novice lisper, i ran emacs for a few months so learned to lisp a bit 06:04:04 then went back to vi and python 06:04:09 *T1750* runs from burning pitchforks 06:04:21 T1750: you can try using binary package of SBCL as one of the sources, but used only during compilation, not included in final RPM 06:04:42 (i.e. treat it like temporary data) 06:04:52 it's a political thing 06:04:54 silly 06:05:00 should just install binary sbcl :) 06:05:53 anyway i'm going to do just that 06:06:06 and i'm going to copy and paste the code from fedora's spec too 06:06:07 haha 06:06:09 GPL rules 06:06:13 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178.223.151.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:07:01 i joined their channel and asked them about their rpm, when they realised i was going to use it to package for OpenSUSE i got a frosty reception and asked to leave (though they didn't boot me :P) 06:07:41 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 06:07:55 *p_l|backup* ponders how the fuck he is still alive and if anyone would be so nice to put him out of misery 06:08:26 p_l|backup: get a nitrogen canister and hook it up to an oxygen mask 06:08:28 strap it on 06:08:30 goto slkeep 06:09:05 I expect x not |x| from (intern "x"). (eql 'x '|x|) => nil. Is there a way to get x, not |x|? 06:09:27 fix your expectations 06:09:28 bytecolor: the reader upcases symbols by default, so you want (intern "X") 06:09:29 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 06:09:48 *T1750* watched a documentary called something about executions where an ex politician called hesaltine tested different execution methods by taking as much of it as he could without doing permnanat damage, the nitrogen death looked like being stoned and he said he didn't realise anything was wrong :) 06:10:06 tcr: oh, I see. thanks ;) 06:10:21 T1750: Better watch your off-topicness 06:10:43 -!- T1750 [~T1750@unaffiliated/t1750] has quit [Quit: better watch tv] 06:11:50 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 06:13:42 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:21:06 can anyone offer any insight to reading an sbcl sprof :alloc mode report? I take it the functions at the top cons the most, do the counts represent the amount? 06:22:51 my paste doesn't seem to have posted - http://paste.lisp.org/display/111972#1 06:26:13 hdurer`` [~hdurer@nat/yahoo/x-apnpqroufkdgvwzz] has joined #lisp 06:33:31 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:36:27 Snamich: seems like it 06:36:31 okay so, slime sprof works with that too 06:37:04 slime-sprof doesn't have :alloc profiling, or does it? 06:37:36 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:37:48 -!- thunk is now known as smoking|thunk 06:37:49 good morning 06:37:55 I ran an sbcl-sprof :alloc profile with slime sprof running and it seems to have hooked into it 06:38:16 Snamich: that may work 06:38:31 but slime-sprof should have an option for that 06:38:36 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:38:37 i mean, it should be added 06:39:30 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:41:11 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:41:25 psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-166-87.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 06:41:52 beach: ping. 06:43:04 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-54-171.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:43:41 -!- Algid [~endgame@c-71-237-204-74.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43:51 pookleblinky [~pookle@cpe-67-252-154-25.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:44:10 -!- aoh_ is now known as aoh 06:45:14 beach: guess you're not around. 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08:22:41 what does (func '((x . y))) do ? 08:22:53 What does (cons 1 2) do? 08:23:05 constructs a list 08:23:12 Wrong. 08:23:15 zophy: for the first one look up QUOTE in the specs. 08:23:23 zophy: seems like the very basic question, you should consult your introductory book 08:23:49 zophy: Go and find out what (cons 1 2) does. 08:24:02 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 08:24:08 i like http://psg.com/~dlamkins/sl/ 08:24:46 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.143.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:25:05 bozhidar` [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 08:25:44 http://psg.com/~dlamkins/sl/chapter03-04.html 08:25:49 cons 08:26:02 zophy: Still haven't figured it out? 08:26:24 zophy: I think you need the gentle introduction to symbolic computation. 08:26:33 or something like that it is named. 08:26:51 He needs a violent introduction to "answering simple questions". 08:27:07 it has nice drawings of cons cells in there (: 08:27:29 All he needs to do is to type (cons 1 2) into a repl and see what comes out. 08:27:37 why is your mouth on top of your nose ? 08:27:39 But this seems to be excessively difficult for him. :) 08:27:39 <_3b> Zhivago: a list? 08:28:00 3b: Be useless more quietly. 08:28:01 Zhivago: You also need to be able to interpret the output there. 08:28:11 So gentle seems good. 08:28:13 But the bot seems dead. 08:28:20 I think you can just bloody well look at what prints out in the context of the original question in order to get a clue. 08:28:34 <_3b> Zhivago: be blunt more precisely 08:28:54 3b: What does it print out, you horrible little man? 08:29:06 3b: (when entered at the repl) 08:29:10 _3b: congrats on becoming a little man :) 08:29:20 <_3b> Zhivago: a list, as i said before 08:29:34 <_3b> schmrkc: thanks, good to see the dieting hasn't gone to waste 08:29:36 3b: But you're too stupid to manage to say which list? 08:30:01 <_3b> Zhivago: no, i assume you know which list, and i don't feel like playing repl 08:30:08 3b: Then shut up. 08:30:13 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:30:21 3b: Be useless more quietly. 08:30:21 <_3b> Zhivago: my point was that 'Wrong.' was wrong 08:30:23 ok, which list ? 08:30:42 zophy: Why can't you tell us? 08:31:04 meHrishi [~chatzilla@110.225.16.130] has joined #lisp 08:31:05 rww [~rww@ubuntu/member/rww] has joined #lisp 08:31:11 zophy: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 08:31:20 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:31:45 -!- meHrishi [~chatzilla@110.225.16.130] has left #lisp 08:31:46 zophy: (cons 1 2) will produce an object that prints as (1 . 2) -- why can't you do this to find out the answer? 08:31:55 anyway, cons constructs a list 08:32:10 <_3b> zophy: cons constructs a cons 08:32:15 or at least an cons 08:32:18 No. cons constructs a cons block. 08:32:25 (cons 1 2) does not produce a proper list. 08:32:30 and cons is a subtype of list! 08:32:36 zophy: Why are you doing this without a lisp system? 08:32:53 ok , then what is '((x , y)) ? 08:33:08 clhs ` 08:33:08 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_df.htm 08:33:14 err, ok , then what is '((x . y)) ? 08:33:27 zophy: Do you have a lisp system? 08:33:31 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:33:38 sbcl, slime 08:33:49 youth, passion 08:33:57 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:34:03 tall beer cans 08:34:05 zophy: So, what does (cons 4 9) print at the repl? 08:34:26 what does (list (cons 'x 'y)) print? 08:34:43 <_3b> . is part of the reader syntax for (), which causes anything after the . to be put in the cdr of the list being constructed 08:35:08 ah, the (( makes a list perhaps 08:35:37 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:36:25 <_3b> ( makes a list, (( makes 2 08:36:43 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36:58 jan247 [~jan247@tkt34.chikka.com] has joined #lisp 08:36:58 -!- jan247 [~jan247@tkt34.chikka.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:36:58 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 08:37:47 <_3b> ' is read as a call to the special operator QUOTE, so '((x . y)) reads as (quote ((x . y))), which evaluates to the list ((x . y)) 08:38:23 zoldar [~zoldar@ip6.ima.pl] has joined #lisp 08:39:11 -!- rww [~rww@ubuntu/member/rww] has left #lisp 08:39:26 LordofKings [~transonic@unaffiliated/lordofkings] has joined #lisp 08:40:37 <_3b> (func '((x . y))) then attempts to pass that list to the operator func 08:40:47 -!- LordofKings [~transonic@unaffiliated/lordofkings] has left #lisp 08:45:08 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:45:19 yes, peter teaches well 08:45:51 hello, what am I missing here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/111977 ? dolist part does not expand to code 08:48:05 -!- thunk is now known as thunk-asleep 08:48:07 <_3b> clhs dolist 08:48:07 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_dolist.htm 08:48:12 -!- baddog [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:06 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 08:49:16 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:49:30 zoldar: dolist doesn't return anything 08:53:56 <_3b> zoldar: also, (if ,(listp pos) ...) looks a bit odd... if you know that at macroexpansion time, run the IF then 08:54:37 what should I do then ? define result-form and push code to it ? 08:55:36 but var-list and by that also pos values are known during macroexpansion time - at least as I understand it .. .? 08:56:40 <_3b> zoldar: i mean do ,(if ...) instead of (if ,(...) ,(...) ,(...)) 08:57:02 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:57:04 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 08:57:19 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:58:36 _mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 08:58:37 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:59:03 -!- _mathrick is now known as mathrick 08:59:32 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 09:00:31 plage [~user@laptop-147-210-129-138.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 09:00:33 G'day! 09:00:53 hello plage! 09:00:54 -!- pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:29 pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 09:01:57 -!- pkhuong is now known as Guest22022 09:02:22 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 09:05:22 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.18] has joined #lisp 09:06:28 lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has joined #lisp 09:08:06 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@g229165006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 09:09:42 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-102-45-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:58 hlavaty [~user@77-22-102-45-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:10:27 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:10:40 -!- varjagg is now known as varjag 09:10:51 -!- leadnose [~leadnose@leadnose.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:13:03 T1750 [~T1750@unaffiliated/t1750] has joined #lisp 09:13:39 ok so i'm going to continue to comple sbcl with itself and package for opensuse 09:14:02 my package will be lame but if it works some opensuse guru reviewer will clean it up and then it might even become part of opensuse 09:14:36 -!- orphee [~orphee@195.14.246.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:44 i tried to compile 1.0.39 with 1.0.38 and at one point it entered the debugger 09:14:46 -!- Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:24 -!- Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 09:15:29 Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 09:15:35 i've noticed fedora are patching theirs i don't want to patch sbcl i want it vanialla as much as possible so is anyone willing to help me debug if it happens again? i'm now compiling it with 1.0.15 which is what fedora chose - maybe they know something i dont 09:20:39 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 09:20:55 here we go 09:21:57 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:21:58 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 09:22:33 i am trying to compile it with this: http://pastebin.com/EfWJyR05 09:22:44 and after a lot of successful compiling i get dumped into the debugger 09:23:18 T1750: it would help to paste the error and possibly the backtrace. 09:24:22 http://pastebin.com/zg0MZsma 09:24:27 yeah i was doing that, sorry 09:24:29 :) 09:25:26 catnap [~terimpil@radio-65.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 09:25:44 how can I install new packages to slime 09:25:52 fiveop [~fiveop@dfn6.rz.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #lisp 09:26:28 Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.85.208] has joined #lisp 09:27:36 Xach: any idea? 09:28:07 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 09:28:33 i'm not a lisp guru most of my lisp knowledge is lost to time, but if i package it up into suse i'll probably start using it again 09:28:41 *T1750* has a commercial aim in mind too! 09:28:45 I found a document about ASDF - perhaps that will help 09:28:52 lisp back in the business world and not just the airlines 09:29:11 T1750: not sure. if you don't have a personal good reason from starting from a 2 year old sbcl, try something newer. 09:29:27 catnap: what do you want to install? 09:29:33 clmath 09:29:50 T1750: oh, was it the same error in 1.0.38? 09:30:03 Xach: i started from something newer and got a debugger problem, so then I used that ver because it's what Fedora are using to bootstrap 09:30:14 i don't know unfortunately :( 09:30:19 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.73] has joined #lisp 09:30:28 T1750: i'd give it another try and find out, if i were you. 09:30:31 *T1750* will find out 09:30:57 catnap: clmath from the cmu ai repository? 09:31:15 yes - that's the one 09:31:45 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 09:31:49 but if you know better way to calculate bessel function, let me know 09:32:19 catnap: that is pretty old-school. i don't think you'll be able to load it without some manual work and expertise. but maybe it has documenttation for how to load it included... 09:33:02 it doesn't - the documentation is rather sparse 09:33:05 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:33:46 catnap: gsll might do what you need 09:36:58 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 09:37:38 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.18.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:59 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:38:54 argiopeweb_ [~elliot@66.42.91.184.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:39:49 Xach: that seems to have bessel functions - it's not exactly what I need, because it's restricted to real order parameter values, but this is good to know 09:40:25 bessel functions with complex order are not easy to find - even Matlab does not have them 09:40:25 splittist [~joe@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:40:31 morning 09:40:49 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:40:57 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:41:04 -!- argiopeweb [~elliot@66.42.91.184.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:42:00 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-50-8.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: galaxywatcher] 09:42:38 hi splittist 09:43:25 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:45:22 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-52-220.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 09:45:40 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:45:59 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-44-46.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 09:47:20 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:47:41 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-20-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:47:43 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 09:48:48 Xach: error is exactly the same 09:49:04 http://pastebin.com/zg0MZsma http://pastebin.com/VNNydxwG 09:49:14 last one is compiled with 1.0.39 09:49:31 i have an appointment will bbl hope you can help me get sbcl into opensuse 09:49:41 -!- T1750 [~T1750@unaffiliated/t1750] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:55:54 <_3b> hmm, no minion? someone tell T1750 about https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/492783 09:56:56 -!- Dodek [dodek@cl-187.waw-01.pl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:58:02 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: astoon] 10:04:31 xan_ [~xan@dsl51B7D979.fixip.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 10:04:51 -!- tayloj [~tayloj@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:05:49 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 10:07:07 Joreji [~thomas@82-238.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 10:15:03 -!- hdurer`` [~hdurer@nat/yahoo/x-apnpqroufkdgvwzz] has quit [Changing host] 10:15:03 hdurer`` [~hdurer@pdpc/supporter/active/hdurer] has joined #lisp 10:15:30 Edward_ [edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-41-231.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:19:06 I've changed the macro a bit - still no effect. What am I doing wrong this time ? http://paste.lisp.org/display/111977#1 10:20:44 swilde [~wilde@aktaia.intevation.org] has joined #lisp 10:25:36 -!- Bahman [~bubastis@92.42.52.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:26:09 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 10:26:49 lpolzer [~lpolzer@dslb-088-073-202-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:27:04 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 10:29:54 bubastis [~bubastis@92.42.52.18] has joined #lisp 10:36:40 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:40:55 Yuuhi [benni@p5483B7C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:44:53 zoldar: I've annotated, I get output, not sure what it should do? 10:45:47 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 10:46:40 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 10:49:45 blitz_ [~blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 10:49:46 -!- blitz_ [~blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:28 -!- m`` [~m@usealice.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:51:43 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 10:51:48 Harag [~Harag@41.56.62.116] has joined #lisp 10:52:04 -!- plage [~user@laptop-147-210-129-138.labri.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:52:18 -!- Salamander__ is now known as Salamander 10:53:21 lhz, it's supposed to setf errorp to t or do http redirect if value of the first element of given list is nil 10:53:35 thank you for your time by the way 10:58:09 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:58:51 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.18.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:02 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 11:03:47 zoldar: Ok, so it works? if I replace USER with NIL like: (macroexpand-1 '(with-required-vars ((nil nil "You are not logged in.")) user)) 11:05:25 lhz, I got it wrong now I see 11:05:36 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:05:46 -!- splittist [~joe@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:06:19 lhz, what I wanted to achieve is to make it work in such situation (let ((user nil)) (with-required-vars (user) ...)) 11:06:37 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:07 splittist [~joe@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 11:09:25 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:09:32 It is a little headeach inducing.. there should be a visual macroexpand, like visual-regexp. 11:19:16 Dranik [~dim@91.149.157.246] has joined #lisp 11:19:20 hi all! 11:20:03 (asdf-install:install 'hunchentoot) shows Downloading 140293 bytes from http://weitz.de/files/hunchentoot.tar.gz ... 11:20:04 debugger invoked on a ASDF-INSTALL::KEY-NOT-FOUND in thread #: 11:20:04 No key found for key id 0x595FF045057958C6. Try some command like 11:20:04 gpg --recv-keys 0x595FF045057958C6 11:20:12 what could that mean? 11:21:10 Dranik: I usually invoke the restart that skips the key-check. Less secure. 11:24:29 lhz, Ah, did u mean that I may just skip gpg checking? 11:25:23 Dranik: in practice, yes. 11:25:28 thanks! 11:27:16 Dranik: here you can read more about that http://www.cliki.net/ASDF-Install%20and%20GPG 11:28:08 lhz, oh, thanks, that was helpful! 11:30:17 and one more: how to compile a lisp sourece code into a binary? 11:30:51 sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:30:52 (sbcl) 11:31:16 lhz, I almost got it right (I think) the only problem is in the end of my annotation: http://paste.lisp.org/display/111977#3 11:32:26 Dranik: I think COMPILE-FILE and SAVE-LISP-AND-DIE does that. 11:32:29 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:01 lhz, thanks! 11:33:44 -!- Dranik [~dim@91.149.157.246] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 11:42:40 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 11:44:14 zoldar: I belive it is emitting two lists after eachother, and only the last list is used in the expansion. This code: ,(when (listp pos) (when (second pos) `(setf exit ,(second pos))) (when (third pos) `(flash-error-set ,(third pos)))) 11:46:15 -!- kvsari [~kvsari@203.171.93.21.static.rev.aanet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:48:59 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.139.87] has joined #lisp 11:51:48 lhz, I have changed the order of when second/third and prefixed the last one with comma and it works, but I completely don't get it :( http://paste.lisp.org/display/111977#4 11:53:19 as I understand it, the comma/backquote should only apply to forms in scope on enclosing parentheses (in this case) ...? 11:53:29 *scope of 11:53:56 -!- abqar_ [~abqar_@122x220x64x254.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:54:15 ZabaQ [~john.conn@23.101-84-212.ippool.ndo.com] has joined #lisp 11:55:11 zoldar: look at the more generic (but same): (defmacro foo (a b c) `(let () ,(when a (when b `(print "hi")) (when c `(print "ho"))))) to get both form in the expansion you must somehow collect them and finally return them. 11:56:39 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 11:57:04 Dodek [dodek@cl-187.waw-01.pl.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:54 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 12:03:04 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:40 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:05:24 zoldar: row 503 in http://git.boinkor.net/gitweb/sbcl.git?a=blob;f=src/code/bignum.lisp that collect macro does (probably) what you want. 12:05:38 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:05:47 -!- bozhidar` is now known as bozhidar 12:09:00 zoldar: that was maybe not helping, I'm a bit confused myself. If I change my example to (defmacro foo (a b c) `(let () ,(when a (when b (list 'print "hi")) (when c (list 'print "ho"))))) Can you know see se fault, and why? 12:10:37 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:10:48 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 12:11:16 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest21138 12:11:31 -!- bubastis [~bubastis@92.42.52.18] has quit [Quit: Gone with the wind.] 12:13:48 lhz, your both examples cause exceptions and I don't know why either 12:14:30 zoldar: (defmacro foo (a b c) `(let () ,(when a (when b (list 'print "hi")) (when c (list 'print "ho"))))) (foo t t t) 12:14:51 sorry it's me 12:15:37 -!- skalawagHome [~mark@c75-111-83-99.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has left #lisp 12:15:59 asarch [~asarch@189.188.145.217] has joined #lisp 12:16:13 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:17:28 I get it 12:19:30 zoldar: your last annotation now works because each form "inside" a comma is only returning one list, compared to the previous example where you returned two list after eachother in the comma, like (progn (list 1) (list 2)) .. (list 1) have no effect. 12:21:39 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-129-153.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:25:38 tayloj [~tayloj@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:26:44 [mzm] [~ziggy@86.99.31.212] has joined #lisp 12:26:50 grouzen_ [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 12:30:32 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.139.87] has quit [Quit: Well, the machine might have gone down. Brb after a reboot.] 12:33:58 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:34:50 I did not understand how to install gsll - the suggested method didn't work for me 12:34:51 stettber` [stettberge@2001:6f8:1209:f0:216:3eff:fe03:ff] has joined #lisp 12:35:09 -!- Guest21138 [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 12:36:06 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-114-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:36:10 -!- stettberger [stettberge@2001:6f8:1209:f0:216:3eff:fe03:ff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:20 failed to find the TRUENAME of /usr/share/common-lisp/source/cl-cffi/grovel/package.lisp 12:37:16 catnap: ubuntu ? 12:37:31 I'm indeed using ubuntu 12:38:06 maybe I need to specify path to gsll before use 12:38:14 then I suggest removing the ubuntu CL packages and go with clbuild 12:40:23 *going 12:41:03 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dfn6.rz.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 12:42:11 is there no simpler way - I want to use slime also 12:42:42 kejsaren1 [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:45 kejsaren2 [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 12:43:54 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-44-46.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:02 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap104180.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #lisp 12:44:38 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-44-46.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:44:47 -!- tayloj is now known as tayloj_ 12:45:10 -!- tayloj_ is now known as tayloj 12:46:31 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:46:31 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:47:28 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.5/20100623161114]] 12:49:49 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@p4ae269.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:53:02 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:02 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:29 revel0 [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 12:54:13 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap104180.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:56:16 -!- kejsaren2 [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:56:16 -!- kejsaren1 [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:57:13 davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has joined #lisp 13:00:16 -!- lusory [~bart@bb119-74-210-221.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:12 zomgbie [~jesus@chello062178135013.2.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 13:03:21 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 13:03:23 Poh [Pohsul@83.231.82.21] has joined #lisp 13:03:25 -!- tao- [tao@anapnea.net] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:04:39 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:05:08 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:05:28 lusory [~bart@bb116-15-51-68.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:06:01 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.85.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:06:34 -!- sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:07:33 happycodemonkey [~carriearn@cpe-66-25-128-168.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:07:42 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 13:07:58 -!- Poh is now known as Pohsul 13:07:58 -!- happycodemonkey [~carriearn@cpe-66-25-128-168.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:11:44 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:12:39 I guess when wrapping windows dlls there's no real alternative but to rebuild the thing to use cdecl instead of stdcall? 13:13:20 -!- thunk-asleep is now known as thunk 13:13:28 ZabaQ: SBCL and Allegro don't care (except for callbacks) 13:14:07 ZabaQ: for other Lisps, you'd need to declare those functions with :calling-convention :stdcall or something like that. 13:14:17 luis: its the symbol mangling thats the problem, and I'm using ccl 13:16:42 -!- xan_ [~xan@dsl51B7D979.fixip.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:21:22 hmm, I don't recall symbol mangling being an issue 13:22:06 fiveop [~fiveop@g229165006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:22:29 howdy luis 13:23:00 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:25:26 ZabaQ: (foreign-symbol-pointer "CreateFileA") seems to work, for example 13:25:28 hey tcr 13:25:56 hmm 13:26:20 relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has joined #lisp 13:27:24 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:04 lhz: it works finally http://paste.lisp.org/display/111977#5 , thanks for help, the only thing I wonder about - is there a way to output the result in some simpler form than `(progn ,@output)? I mean is it possible to leave it out in some way? 13:28:56 m`` [~m@usealice.org] has joined #lisp 13:29:23 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 13:31:29 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 13:33:32 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:33:36 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:55 G'morning all. 13:33:58 hi nyef 13:34:52 G'evening nyef 13:35:31 ... you know a book is old-but-not-very-old when it mentions someone making "talking pictures". 13:36:01 Speaking of win32, apparently some russian guy attempted a sbcl port using the win32 port of pthreads, with some success. I don't know if this is news here or not. 13:36:16 nyef: is it a Lisp book? 13:36:24 aerique: Umm... No. 13:37:02 It's one of the books I have on the getting-done of things. 13:37:17 (The one not written by a David of some sort.) 13:37:37 I'm finding it to be overly anecdotal. 13:39:01 Dawgmatix [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:42:48 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:01 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 13:43:39 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:43:43 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096728247.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:44:04 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.145.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:20 What does it mean in slime backtrace when a local variable is show with no value? Such as: "EXAMPLE#1 = " 13:45:01 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.82.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:23 asarch [~asarch@189.188.145.217] has joined #lisp 13:45:28 ... might depend on the host lisp? 13:45:33 Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.91.95] has joined #lisp 13:46:31 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:38 I'm having a problem with the latest version of clsql and international characters 13:49:11 (hmm. lisp paste isn't working) 13:49:23 http://paste.lisp.org/display/111984 13:50:25 so the code is managing the international characters fine (as seen through static test chars + nvarchar field), however, the ntext blob is making it choke. Has anyone experienced this? 13:50:49 Sounds like an encoding problem on the lisp side. 13:51:13 nyef: It's in ecl. 13:51:51 yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. command line tsql yields the proper strings. 13:51:53 Can't help there, I'm afraid. I don't think I've -ever- tried ECL. 13:52:17 it's the blobs that are confusing clsql, or more likely uffi 13:52:29 -!- billitch1 [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:52:30 (fyi, same thing happens with text instead of ntext) 13:53:19 any ideas or suggestions on how I Can go about trying to fix this? 13:53:46 gdb ecl 13:54:01 Shaftoe: I don't have any detailed suggestions, but in general, you have to make sure that the database system and the client agree on how the data going back and forth is encoded. 13:54:02 -!- Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:54:46 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:48 Zhivago: Yes :-( 13:54:48 Xach: yes. My test shows that they do for static data and for nvarchar columns. The conversion layer doesn't work for ntext/text though, which are different column types. 13:55:19 tritchey [~tritchey@205.233.9.181] has joined #lisp 13:58:08 -!- neme4ta [~rpm@chat.sysert.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:58:17 -!- tayloj [~tayloj@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:58:43 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59:07 pjb: You might find that just attaching gdb is easier -- it's fairly reasonable with ecl. 13:59:37 billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has joined #lisp 13:59:37 There's M-x slime-attach-gdb, and B in the slime-debugger fwiw 13:59:56 specifically created with ECL in mind 14:00:03 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:05:02 -!- abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:05:10 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:32 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:46 Uh sorry it's A in sldb 14:07:02 B is to break into the implementation's native debugger 14:09:22 -!- vonli [~user@lynx.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:31 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.91.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:12:19 zoldar: you could avoid progn by moving out the @. Like: (let ((output (list 'hi 'ho))) `(let () ,(when t `(progn ,@output)))) -> (let ((output (list 'hi 'ho))) `(let () ,@(when t output))) 14:13:31 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: bombshelter13b] 14:13:50 lhz, ok, I can live with it anyway, thank you for your thorough explanations 14:18:44 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:20:21 what's the deal with (when t ...) 14:20:38 -!- catnap [~terimpil@radio-65.hut.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:46 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:23:14 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-50-8.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 14:23:58 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-137-141.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:23 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 14:25:30 adeht: it's a cooked down version of the lisp-paste above :) 14:25:55 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:29:34 I *so* want a presentation's aware unix terminal 14:31:42 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]