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2017-06-19T10:51:33Z Xach: http://report.quicklisp.org/2017-06-19/failure-report/clim-widgets.html#clim-widgets - clim-widgets uses INTERNALS::*XPM-X11-COLORS* which is now gone
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2017-06-19T11:26:03Z Cymew: Xach: Someone seems to have been going on a spree blogging about postgresql, and it ended up on planet lisp. Can it be filtered out somehow by the aggregator?
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2017-06-19T11:36:08Z flip214: Cymew: my p.l RSS only shows relevant data...
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2017-06-19T11:36:48Z flip214: and the browser on http://planet.lisp.org/ confirms that list.
2017-06-19T11:38:20Z Cymew: flip214: Hmm. Looks like you are correct. I wonder if I have my feedreader pointing to the wrong feed then.
2017-06-19T11:39:58Z flip214: guess so
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2017-06-19T11:56:14Z Cymew: That was indeed a different feed.
2017-06-19T11:56:22Z Cymew: Thanks flip214!
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2017-06-19T12:06:02Z dim: Cymew: that might be me
2017-06-19T12:07:00Z dim: can't see that on the website
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2017-06-19T15:41:15Z thetabit: Don't know if this appropriate here but thought I'd ask. Is there a way to define a function that can insert a string to the system clipboard?
2017-06-19T15:41:48Z Reinisch: I can think of a dumb way to do that
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2017-06-19T15:42:49Z Reinisch: some version of (shellpool:run (format nil "~a | pbcopy" your-string))
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2017-06-19T15:43:46Z Reinisch: make sure to have loaded or required or whatever the right term is "shellpool" (available through quicklisp)
2017-06-19T15:44:00Z |3b|: yeah, either run a program or call some system API through ffi
2017-06-19T15:44:09Z Reinisch: and make sure you have (shellpool:ensure 1) somewhere before the line I gave
2017-06-19T15:44:14Z |3b|: (possibly could use CLX instead of FFI on some platforms)
2017-06-19T15:44:27Z thetabit: hmm okay
2017-06-19T15:44:45Z thetabit: let me take a look into shellpool, I have not used that yet
2017-06-19T15:45:08Z Reinisch: thetabit: https://github.com/jaredcdavis/shellpool/blob/master/DOC.md
2017-06-19T15:46:10Z Xach has never heard of shellpool before
2017-06-19T15:47:46Z Reinisch: I'm a lisp newbie and within the last month I needed to use cli tools like pdfgrep and pdftotext (along with their output) as part of a lisp project
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2017-06-19T15:49:21Z thetabit: Reinisch: is that in a production environment or personal projects?
2017-06-19T15:49:22Z Reinisch: from googling, checking the clicki, and looking at documentation I found shellpool to be the most approachable, available through quicklisp solution I could find
2017-06-19T15:49:42Z Reinisch: *cliki
2017-06-19T15:49:57Z Reinisch: thetabit: personal I suppose
2017-06-19T15:50:34Z Reinisch: If there
2017-06-19T15:51:09Z Reinisch: whoops/// If there's a better or more established way to be doing this sort of thing, I'm all ears.  This is just what I threw together as a novice.
2017-06-19T15:52:21Z thetabit: no problem at all, I will take a look and see if a I can get something together
2017-06-19T15:52:33Z thetabit: thanks for the suggestion
2017-06-19T15:54:16Z Reinisch: no problem!
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2017-06-19T17:34:20Z puchacz: hi, I am trying to use lquery, but it seems that some operations are destructive, e.g. (lquery:$ doc (serialize))
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2017-06-19T17:34:57Z puchacz: I can't see a clear indication in https://shinmera.github.io/lquery/ what is destructive and what is not
2017-06-19T17:35:18Z puchacz: e.g. finding all elements with ID (lquery:$ doc "[id]") does not seem to modify doc
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2017-06-19T18:09:52Z puchacz: okay, silly me
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2017-06-19T18:13:38Z eschulte: I make heavy use of a reader-macro package which I typically enable by calling this enable function [1] in the containing package right after the call to defpackage.  However, I sporadically get errors during compilation (from buildapp) that the functions used by the reader macros are undefined.  Is there a better/standard way of enabling reader macros? Thanks https://github.com/eschulte/curry-compose-reader-macros/blob/master/curry-compose-reader-macros.l
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2017-06-19T19:01:23Z stara: Hello. How to substitute the variable a function?
2017-06-19T19:02:06Z stara: (setq u incf) (u x)
2017-06-19T19:02:08Z stara: Not work.
2017-06-19T19:02:21Z loke___: stara: you need to use #'
2017-06-19T19:02:24Z loke___: as funcall
2017-06-19T19:02:25Z loke___: so:
2017-06-19T19:02:42Z loke___: (let ((p #'print)) (funcall p "some text"))
2017-06-19T19:02:51Z loke___: INCF is not a function, so it can't be used that way.
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2017-06-19T19:06:08Z stara: This is makro?
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2017-06-19T19:06:16Z loke___: stara: INCF is a macro, yes.
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2017-06-19T19:07:20Z stara: (funmacro p "some text") ?
2017-06-19T19:07:37Z loke___: No. Macros can't be called like that.
2017-06-19T19:07:54Z loke___: Macros are expanded before evaluation.
2017-06-19T19:08:41Z stara: (let((x 0)) (defun total (y) (incf x y)))
2017-06-19T19:09:12Z stara: I want:
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2017-06-19T19:09:41Z stara: (let((x 0)) (defun total (u y) (u x y)))
2017-06-19T19:09:56Z stara: (total incf 1)
2017-06-19T19:10:00Z stara: (total decf 1)
2017-06-19T19:11:01Z loke___: That does not work.
2017-06-19T19:11:12Z loke___: I have to admit that I don't really understand what you want to do
2017-06-19T19:11:31Z loke___: you keep trying to use INCF as a function. It's not a function.
2017-06-19T19:11:59Z stara: I know, that it's not a function.
2017-06-19T19:13:32Z loke___: You should do it like so: (let ((total 0)) ... (incf total) ... (decf total) etc...
2017-06-19T19:14:07Z sukaeto: stara: (let ((x 0)) (defun total (u y) (setf x (funcall u x y))))?
2017-06-19T19:14:19Z sukaeto: (total #'+ 1)
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2017-06-19T19:17:38Z stara: Can not I assign a variable to a macro?
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2017-06-19T19:19:27Z _death: no.. you can assign to the name of a macro, or the macro function, or say a template of some sort.. then you can use eval or macroexpand or whatever, but that is generally not a good idea
2017-06-19T19:21:58Z stara: Why eval is wrong? ;\
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2017-06-19T19:24:40Z _death: a web search can provide you with several reasons (slow, null lexical context, etc.).. usually a way can be found that is better in these aspects as well as others, more specific to your problem
2017-06-19T19:26:24Z stara: (let ((x 0)) (defun total (u y) (`empty x y)))
2017-06-19T19:26:39Z stara: (total incf 1)
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2017-06-19T19:28:50Z stara: Can not the macro be substituted under variable? Seriously? Really?
2017-06-19T19:29:36Z _death: seriously, really.. you could write Stara Lisp that has support for first-class macros, and then show it to us
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2017-06-19T19:40:47Z Xach: *Lisp
2017-06-19T19:41:04Z stara: Can you force a macro to behave as a function?
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2017-06-19T19:50:43Z Bike: what are you trying to do here
2017-06-19T19:51:23Z stara: (setq x #'incf)
2017-06-19T19:51:34Z stara: (setq y 0)
2017-06-19T19:51:41Z stara: (x y)
2017-06-19T19:51:44Z stara: Not work.
2017-06-19T19:52:07Z fe[nl]ix: nope
2017-06-19T19:52:43Z stara: #' is function, and macro what?
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2017-06-19T19:53:49Z varjag: incf is a macro
2017-06-19T19:53:58Z stara: I know.
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2017-06-19T19:54:35Z varjag: also, should be (setf (symbol-function 'x) ..)
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2017-06-19T19:55:05Z varjag: (setf (symbol-function 'x) #'+)
2017-06-19T19:55:19Z varjag: (x 1 2) => 3
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2017-06-19T19:56:28Z stara: Then why macro is so inconvenient?
2017-06-19T19:56:59Z shka_: stara: because whole point of it is to expand in place
2017-06-19T19:57:12Z shka_: incf operates on lexical env
2017-06-19T19:57:16Z shka_: or any env
2017-06-19T19:57:46Z shka_: but if you do stuff like (let ((x 1)) (incf x)) incf needs to be in scope of x binding
2017-06-19T19:58:01Z shka_: functions establish it's own bindings
2017-06-19T19:58:08Z shka_: so are fundamentally different
2017-06-19T19:58:26Z varjag: more or less the same reason you won't be able to pass a pointer to macro in C
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2017-06-19T20:04:16Z stara: Very thanks for help.
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2017-06-19T21:23:51Z dxtr: Is there something like clojures (->)
2017-06-19T21:23:53Z dxtr: ?
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2017-06-19T21:26:40Z dxtr: Okay, I'd guess not considering I discovered cl-arrows
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2017-06-19T21:29:03Z _death: I find that the One Function to a Function principle removes the need for such constructs.
2017-06-19T21:29:31Z dxtr: I'm not following
2017-06-19T21:30:03Z _death: https://adeht.org/usenet-gems/one-function.txt
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2017-06-19T21:35:02Z _death: also see the latest "gem" I added, https://adeht.org/usenet-gems/malleability.txt
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2017-06-19T21:35:37Z _death: another idea is to use REDUCE, if you want to emphasize the chaining
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2017-06-19T23:16:53Z dxtr: How do you guys usually structure your data? Imagine you want to create some kind of 'state' datatype that contains stuff like file handles and such
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2017-06-19T23:40:00Z rk[ghost]: is there any function like substitute, but which you can specify the Gth occurence such that (gsubstitute 3 'x 'y '(y y y y)) => (y y x y) ?
2017-06-19T23:40:37Z rk[ghost]: similiar to seds /#g
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2017-06-19T23:51:00Z Bike: not built in. i think you'd have to use position calls.
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