2017-06-15T00:00:24Z Bike: who does 2017-06-15T00:01:55Z ebrasca: maybe gpu programers 2017-06-15T00:02:04Z diegs_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:03:46Z s3a: Bike, as a much-simpler approximation, though, the higher-order function uses the + function in an interative manner and so that is faster than recursion? 2017-06-15T00:04:03Z s3a: approximate explanation* 2017-06-15T00:04:10Z Bike: well, assuming that + is iterative 2017-06-15T00:04:18Z Bike: it could be defined as sum-list1 in terms of a binary + 2017-06-15T00:04:36Z QLNHRKPB1Y joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:04:58Z s3a: I don't get your last sentence. 2017-06-15T00:05:18Z s3a: I thought + was iterative. Isn't that something that can be checked? 2017-06-15T00:05:32Z Bike: you can look at the implementation, if it's open source 2017-06-15T00:05:41Z Bike: but there's no requirement on how + is implemented, why would there be? 2017-06-15T00:06:27Z s3a: i didn't mean it like that. basically, iterative is always better performance-wise, right? 2017-06-15T00:06:43Z s3a: (so they'd decide to make it iterative, because of that) 2017-06-15T00:06:51Z Bike: usually 2017-06-15T00:06:58Z Bike: i gave you an example of when it wouldn't be 2017-06-15T00:07:50Z s3a: are you talking about the "sequential execution of instructions" stuff that you said? 2017-06-15T00:07:58Z Bike: the binary tree parallel thing 2017-06-15T00:09:06Z s3a: Bike, ok so whether + uses iteration or a binary tree, in both cases, it'd be faster than the recursive program from the non-higher-order function, right? 2017-06-15T00:09:10Z ebrasca` joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:09:27Z Bike: probably! 2017-06-15T00:09:40Z ebrasca quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T00:09:56Z Bike: it could be written iteratively but really badly. what i'm saying is that you have not defined this for your question, so i'm going to avoid general statements 2017-06-15T00:10:32Z s3a: Bike, I'm assuming no developer incompetence. :P 2017-06-15T00:10:48Z s3a: (not meant as an insult to anyone or anything) 2017-06-15T00:10:49Z Bike: i thought you were concerned with theory 2017-06-15T00:10:59Z cggong quit (Quit: cggong) 2017-06-15T00:11:04Z ebrasca` is now known as ebrasca 2017-06-15T00:11:13Z s3a: lol CS theory, not the human mind + psychology, etc 2017-06-15T00:11:53Z s3a: (we may be miscommunicating a bit, but i'm kind of exhausted, so it may be my fault) 2017-06-15T00:12:05Z s3a: but i feel i got what i needed, so thanks again. :) 2017-06-15T00:12:14Z s3a: wait, did I say thanks already or just think it? :P 2017-06-15T00:12:28Z QLNHRKPB1Y quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:12:42Z s3a: okay, that's a sign that I need a break. ;) 2017-06-15T00:13:12Z Bike: as long as you're satisfied 2017-06-15T00:14:42Z s3a: I am :) (at least for now) 2017-06-15T00:15:05Z s3a: thanks again. i'm going to go take a break now. see you next time i'm here (maybe)! :) 2017-06-15T00:15:58Z Bike: ta 2017-06-15T00:21:18Z Harag joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:24:22Z grublet joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:25:04Z cggong joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:25:23Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:26:40Z s3a: Bike, Hey. I'm back just for a quick question before going again. The apply function converts the list to a series of non-list arguments for the + operator? 2017-06-15T00:27:13Z Bike: well 2017-06-15T00:27:18Z Xach: + is a function named "+" 2017-06-15T00:27:27Z dxtr quit (Quit: leaving) 2017-06-15T00:27:45Z Bike: (apply #'+ (list 1 2 3)) gets you the same as (+ 1 2 3) 2017-06-15T00:27:52Z Bike: i guess "to non-list arguments" is not wrong 2017-06-15T00:28:10Z rumbler31 joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:28:11Z dxtr joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:28:20Z Bike: with that kind of question i think it's helpful to just write a basic lisp implementation and see how it works 2017-06-15T00:29:31Z s3a: Bike, i don't want to try to run when I can barely walk. :) 2017-06-15T00:29:40Z Bike: it's easier than it sounds 2017-06-15T00:29:59Z Bike: a basic interpreter is like a page of code at worst 2017-06-15T00:30:02Z s3a: (i do intend to do compiler design stuff later, but not very soon) 2017-06-15T00:30:39Z s3a: so, basically, the compiler just sees the (apply #'+ (list 1 2 3)) and switches it to (+ 1 2 3) with very little overhead? 2017-06-15T00:30:51Z Bike: well it might, but i meant an interpreter, not a compiler 2017-06-15T00:31:08Z Bike: in the general case, of (apply foo bar) where neither is known and the compiler can't do something like that, it still has to work 2017-06-15T00:31:48Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:32:45Z s3a: Alright, I think that satisfied that last curiosity. 2017-06-15T00:32:52Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:33:05Z s3a: Okay, I'm leaving again, and thanks again. :) 2017-06-15T00:36:30Z pareidolia quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:37:04Z manuel_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:37:10Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:37:50Z jamtho joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:39:12Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:39:36Z pareidolia joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:41:08Z rumbler31 joined #lisp 2017-06-15T00:43:49Z s3a quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-15T00:45:57Z vap1 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-06-15T00:51:34Z al-damiri quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2017-06-15T00:57:08Z araujo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T01:02:27Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed) 2017-06-15T01:06:12Z axwin quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T01:07:14Z cromachina joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:14:01Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T01:17:10Z jamtho quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T01:17:38Z knusbaum: Looks like read-sequence will block until the sequence is filled or EOF. Is there a way to just read a bounded chunk from a stream, returning whatever's available, like POSIX read(2)? 2017-06-15T01:18:24Z manuel_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:20:21Z cggong quit (Quit: cggong) 2017-06-15T01:22:46Z cggong joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:29:40Z froggey quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-15T01:30:05Z xrash quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T01:31:37Z froggey joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:34:08Z segmond joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:36:13Z knusbaum: My problem is regarding usockets. I have to be careful not to get into a situation where I'm blocked on a client who's never going to send anything, but I don't see how to do that without checking for available data before each call to read-byte. 2017-06-15T01:36:42Z knusbaum: But that seems like a silly solution. 2017-06-15T01:36:45Z flavio81 joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:36:49Z neoncontrails joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:36:57Z xrash joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:37:48Z neoncontrails quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T01:38:36Z neoncontrails joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:40:04Z neoncontrails quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T01:40:13Z neoncontrails joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:41:43Z xrash quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-15T01:42:15Z jameser joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:44:51Z flavio81 quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2017-06-15T01:46:05Z pjb: knusbaum: don't use read-byte. Use recv on non-blocking socket. 2017-06-15T01:47:05Z knusbaum: Hmm. Looking for something in usockets to do that. Or should I be using something else? 2017-06-15T01:48:00Z pjb: Perhaps iolib. 2017-06-15T01:48:11Z xrash joined #lisp 2017-06-15T01:48:14Z knusbaum: mmm. Okay, I'll take a look. 2017-06-15T01:52:08Z knusbaum: ech. It doesn't want to compil. 2017-06-15T01:52:11Z knusbaum: compile* 2017-06-15T01:52:48Z pjb: There may be two characters to edit in an asd file. 2017-06-15T01:53:00Z pjb: dots to dash or vice-versa. 2017-06-15T01:53:20Z BlueRavenGT quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T01:53:28Z knusbaum: It's barfing trying to compile some C++ crap. 2017-06-15T01:54:33Z diegs_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-15T01:59:12Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:01:16Z sondr3 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T02:01:50Z knusbaum: What do people typically use for network programming? 2017-06-15T02:02:22Z diegs_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:04:03Z jameser_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:05:03Z JohnnyDown joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:05:30Z jameser quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T02:05:36Z pjb: usocket or iolib 2017-06-15T02:05:48Z manuel_ quit (Quit: manuel_) 2017-06-15T02:06:57Z knusbaum: mmm 2017-06-15T02:07:21Z sellout- joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:09:26Z sellout-1 joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:09:26Z sellout- quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T02:15:03Z knusbaum: Huh. The git version of iolib didn't give me any problems. The quicklisp one did. 2017-06-15T02:15:03Z sellout-1 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T02:15:10Z sellout- joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:24:44Z orivej quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-15T02:26:07Z Jesin joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:26:49Z TDT joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:33:19Z axwin joined #lisp 2017-06-15T02:36:36Z JohnnyDown left #lisp 2017-06-15T02:37:02Z emaczen: What is a file format for writing persitent objects? 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I'm looking at the PCLOS paper 2017-06-15T04:03:25Z maarhart joined #lisp 2017-06-15T04:07:53Z maarhart quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-15T04:09:39Z emaczen: Can someone point me to or give me an overview of how object persistence works, maybe even beyond the MOP? 2017-06-15T04:09:58Z jameser_ quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I didn't realize bypassing slime would occur to seasonned lispers 2017-06-15T16:54:53Z dim: dlowe: I want to try a CLIM based solution for editing 2017-06-15T16:55:05Z dlowe: dim: mcclim comes with a listener 2017-06-15T16:55:14Z dim: but well CL X11 support seems not to like macosx XQuartz 2017-06-15T16:55:37Z dlowe: you could write the macos mcclim backend! 2017-06-15T16:56:31Z dim: well given infinite time sure, I could grow the necessary skill set then do that 2017-06-15T16:56:39Z dim: you'd be bored well before I get there tho 2017-06-15T16:57:36Z rk[ghost]: phoe: i like rlwrap sbcl.. but i was trying to use cl-readline to make a custom readline for a internal repl.. (the rlrwap was catching all my keypresses and i couldn't figure out why the lib wasn't working as described:P) 2017-06-15T16:58:06Z onehrxn quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T16:58:16Z damke_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T16:58:43Z FreeBirdLjj quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-06-15T16:58:53Z cgore joined #lisp 2017-06-15T16:59:02Z damke quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T16:59:06Z rk[ghost]: _death: thanks! 2017-06-15T16:59:38Z rk[ghost]: phoe: aye. assuming i make equalized hardware on a distributed system just curious 2017-06-15T17:00:09Z dlowe: dim: nothing gets done without encouraged people 2017-06-15T17:00:34Z rk[ghost]: since serialization is a major concern when designing a good concurrent system, was curious how it handled something high-level like a function 2017-06-15T17:00:47Z rk[ghost]: i am curious what lfe does.. 2017-06-15T17:01:04Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T17:02:21Z dim: dlowe: I hear you, I'm just too busy right now 2017-06-15T17:02:30Z defaultxr joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:03:47Z dim: and very very bad at visual programming 2017-06-15T17:08:01Z phoe: rk[ghost]: lfe does exactly what erlang does 2017-06-15T17:08:08Z teggi quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T17:08:24Z phoe: functions are compiled into erlang BEAM bytecode, that's how they are serialized and passed around between nodes 2017-06-15T17:13:59Z m00natic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T17:16:16Z Walex joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:18:58Z kmb joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:23:36Z sondr3 joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:24:11Z vlatkoB quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-15T17:25:35Z vlatkoB joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:32:35Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T17:45:09Z damke_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-15T17:46:30Z loke___ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:49:01Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T17:52:50Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:57:00Z raynold joined #lisp 2017-06-15T17:57:15Z ryanwatkins joined #lisp 2017-06-15T18:02:20Z sukaeto: IMO, "just use slime" isn't a bad requirement, in this case. You don't have to use Emacs for anything else, just as your repl. 2017-06-15T18:02:48Z sukaeto: I mean, assuming the user is looking for a solution to "I type sbcl at the shell and the repl I get is really shitty" 2017-06-15T18:03:04Z raynold: ahh it's a wonderful day 2017-06-15T18:03:32Z sukaeto: using any random editor and copy pasting to a slime repl is no worse than copy pasting to any other repl 2017-06-15T18:08:11Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp 2017-06-15T18:09:41Z sukaeto: FWIW, this is exactly what I used to do. Way back in the day, I used clisp. Then I switched to sbcl, but I wanted a repl at least as good as the clisp one, so I used Emacs just for slime. Then I discovered slimv. Then I eventually figured out that Emacs was better (for me) at everything except the editor itself, so I switched to Emacs+evil. 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You send a symbol to the other node and it tries to execute the function named by that symbol. That’s what Erlangen does, I believe its also how you do it in Erlang (send a module:name tuple). I know of WASP which is specifically designed to push remote code. So I would look at that if I was serious about “true” RCE. http://waspvm 2017-06-15T18:43:09Z mrottenkolber: Erlang probably has like phoe said some way to push new versions of modules around 2017-06-15T18:43:35Z mrottenkolber: They put a lot of thought even into situations where you have two versions of the same module around 2017-06-15T18:44:23Z jackdaniel: cl-store serializes function names 2017-06-15T18:44:41Z jackdaniel: lfarm also goes this path, but you may also broadcast function definition afair 2017-06-15T18:47:23Z larme quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.6) 2017-06-15T18:50:27Z ndrei joined #lisp 2017-06-15T18:53:19Z p9s joined #lisp 2017-06-15T18:55:58Z manuel_ quit (Quit: manuel_) 2017-06-15T18:58:53Z manuel_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:04:41Z ndrei quit (Quit: leaving) 2017-06-15T19:06:47Z enzuru joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:09:15Z karswell` quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T19:10:26Z karswell` joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:26:40Z Merv_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:30:21Z josemanuel joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:33:54Z ryanwatkins quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T19:34:30Z ryanwatkins joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:37:10Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T19:37:30Z Harag joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:39:48Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T19:42:41Z random_numbers joined #lisp 2017-06-15T19:43:35Z random_numbers: About that Lisp OS draft paper someone linked me to. It was interesting. I'm not quite convinced of non-hierarchized filesystem/object-store. 2017-06-15T19:44:20Z random_numbers: Mainly because name-collisions aren't mentioned. 2017-06-15T19:46:05Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T19:46:28Z jackdaniel: non-hierarchical doesn't mean flat. ("source" "cl" "file.lisp") is the same as ("file.lisp" "source" "cl"), but different than ("source" "cl" "my-project" "file.lisp") 9r ("src" "file.lisp" "cl") 2017-06-15T19:46:38Z jackdaniel: if I understand correctly your concern 2017-06-15T19:47:22Z jackdaniel: having two objects designated by tuples ("a" "b" "c") and ("b" "a" "c") is not possible of course (because they are not ordered) 2017-06-15T19:48:10Z random_numbers: Hm. That works, logically. I'm curious what a file-manager for such a system would look/act like. 2017-06-15T19:49:06Z eschatologist quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-15T19:50:20Z jackdaniel: good question. some approximation would be what gnome once tried with zeitgeist extension 2017-06-15T19:51:16Z random_numbers: Never heard of it before, I'll look that up. 2017-06-15T19:51:17Z karswell` quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T19:51:45Z jackdaniel: it's a framework classifying files by metadata 2017-06-15T19:52:52Z random_numbers: I'll say though that a unified meta-data system not reliant on the peculiarities of various formats would be a massive improvement on my current workflow. 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2017-06-15T21:46:20Z mrottenkolber: sounds interesting! 2017-06-15T21:50:00Z brendyn joined #lisp 2017-06-15T21:53:05Z nocaberi joined #lisp 2017-06-15T21:56:10Z Bock quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T21:56:59Z whoman quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T21:57:22Z whoman joined #lisp 2017-06-15T21:59:58Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:00:23Z loke___ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-06-15T22:09:36Z kmb quit (Quit: kmb) 2017-06-15T22:13:23Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T22:19:39Z xaotuk joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:22:03Z hhdave joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:23:00Z random_numbers: mrottenkolber: I'll try getting it from the logs, otherwise it's here https://github.com/robert-strandh/LispOS as (La)?tex source. 2017-06-15T22:23:31Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T22:23:58Z nullniverse quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-06-15T22:24:59Z slyrus_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T22:25:07Z random_numbers: mrottenkolber: http://metamodular.com/lispos.pdf Here was the link flavio81 originally gave me. 2017-06-15T22:25:48Z _user quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T22:26:18Z slyrus_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:27:40Z Merv_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:28:27Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T22:30:18Z hhdave quit (Quit: hhdave) 2017-06-15T22:31:30Z d4ryus3 joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:34:10Z d4ryus2 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T22:36:04Z sellout- quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2017-06-15T22:39:37Z manuel_ quit (Quit: manuel_) 2017-06-15T22:39:57Z Bike joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:40:10Z varjag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T22:42:51Z sellout- joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:43:01Z sellout- quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-15T22:44:19Z eschatologist quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in) 2017-06-15T22:44:58Z eschatologist joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:47:11Z sellout- joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:52:36Z raynold joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:56:02Z nhandler quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T22:57:51Z nhandler joined #lisp 2017-06-15T22:59:53Z mrottenkolber: random_numbers: thanks! 2017-06-15T23:02:37Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:02:44Z Merv_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:08:28Z orivej joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:10:42Z raynold: ahh it's a wonderful day 2017-06-15T23:11:59Z araujo quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:14:15Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:22:25Z holycow joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:26:18Z araujo joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:28:08Z daemoz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-06-15T23:28:27Z daemoz joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:28:59Z LiamH quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2017-06-15T23:29:19Z z3r0d5y joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:32:46Z z3r0d5y quit (Client Quit) 2017-06-15T23:37:44Z holycow quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2017-06-15T23:39:13Z manuel_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:44:06Z whiteline_ joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:44:11Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:45:17Z phinxy quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T23:46:27Z Bike quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:46:34Z whiteline quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:47:08Z xaotuk quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-06-15T23:48:48Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-06-15T23:49:51Z DGASAU joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:53:24Z kobain joined #lisp 2017-06-15T23:58:19Z Merv_ joined #lisp