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Even if someone does, they might not want to let you know until they know why you asked that question. 2017-05-28T09:49:11Z beach: oleo: I don't personally use it, but why do you want to know? 2017-05-28T09:50:32Z shka: oleo: it seems that it is all about mezzano this days 2017-05-28T09:51:05Z shka: *sigh* back to work 2017-05-28T09:52:08Z knicklux quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-28T09:52:17Z shka: beach: btw, I'm starting adopting coding style that you described in SICL manual 2017-05-28T09:52:33Z shka: thanks for adding this chapter 2017-05-28T09:52:37Z shka: it is useful to me 2017-05-28T09:53:03Z beach: shka: Oh, nice! Glad to hear that it was helpful. 2017-05-28T09:53:18Z beach: Lunch time. I'll be back later. 2017-05-28T09:53:22Z shka: see ya 2017-05-28T09:54:46Z Posterdati: hi 2017-05-28T09:55:04Z Posterdati: please, how can I convert a foreign pointer to an uint64?? 2017-05-28T09:57:03Z knicklux joined #lisp 2017-05-28T09:58:48Z oleo: shka: well i tried to use it, i got it from 2 different github sources and i can create images with both, when i try to use the images only one works tho....and it seems somehow crippled anyway......with the other i get an error with grub telling me the image is too big for the bios to handle it.... 2017-05-28T09:59:31Z shka: well, i never tried to run those physical machine 2017-05-28T09:59:39Z shka: always on virtual machine 2017-05-28T10:00:22Z beach: I have run Movitz on real hardware, but nothing recent. 2017-05-28T10:00:42Z oleo: shka: i solved the nickname issue via replacing bt: with binary-types: with sed but the movitz-browser/browser.lisp file uses the same bt: too for bordeauxh-threads (so it's inconsistent across files, so you have to manually check) 2017-05-28T10:02:10Z oleo: shka: i tried to use the bare images with no luck when i put the grub images onto the other then i can start both via qemu...but like i said one boots and seems crippled (there's no movitz-brower package for exmaple) and the other is unbootable even tho it appears in the grub menu..... 2017-05-28T10:02:24Z shka: i see 2017-05-28T10:02:26Z shka: can't help 2017-05-28T10:02:50Z oleo: i tried to even mount -o loop some of the images but without luck either..... 2017-05-28T10:02:52Z beach: oleo: frodef, the author of Movitz, occasionally comes here. He was here a few weeks ago. You might drop him a note. 2017-05-28T10:03:39Z oleo: i peeked into the images to see how they are layered with fdisk -l and trying the offset=bla when mounting via -o loop but it doesn't work either.... 2017-05-28T10:04:08Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp 2017-05-28T10:04:16Z Harag joined #lisp 2017-05-28T10:04:40Z oleo: beach: the first partition is 1 T in both images.... so i don't see where the issue stems from.... 2017-05-28T10:05:05Z pjb joined #lisp 2017-05-28T10:05:46Z oleo: beach: thank you.....maybe it's an issue with 32bit instruction set on a 64bit machine too.... 2017-05-28T10:07:10Z oleo: shka: welp, i just build mezzano too..... 2017-05-28T10:07:16Z pve quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-28T10:09:05Z FreeBirdLjj quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-05-28T10:22:20Z jameser joined #lisp 2017-05-28T10:26:10Z vydd joined #lisp 2017-05-28T10:26:15Z vydd_ joined #lisp 2017-05-28T10:40:45Z blackwolf quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)) 2017-05-28T10:51:09Z Harag1 joined #lisp 2017-05-28T10:52:35Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-28T10:52:35Z Harag1 is now known as Harag 2017-05-28T11:07:12Z oleo quit (Quit: irc client terminated!) 2017-05-28T11:09:44Z vydd quit (Quit: vydd) 2017-05-28T11:10:48Z ebrasca-bed is now known as ebrasca 2017-05-28T11:10:53Z teggi quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-28T11:10:54Z oleo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T11:10:59Z oleo quit (Changing host) 2017-05-28T11:10:59Z oleo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T11:11:31Z teggi joined #lisp 2017-05-28T11:13:59Z vydd_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-28T11:15:49Z teggi quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2017-05-28T11:16:52Z ryanwatk` quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-28T11:18:42Z oleo quit (Quit: irc client terminated!) 2017-05-28T11:32:19Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-05-28T11:39:07Z knobo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T11:39:46Z blackwolf joined #lisp 2017-05-28T11:51:11Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-28T11:57:03Z oleo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T11:59:14Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-28T12:05:32Z nowhere_man quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-05-28T12:11:37Z oleo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-28T12:14:07Z oleo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T12:15:57Z oleo quit (Client Quit) 2017-05-28T12:23:07Z yangby quit (Quit: Go out for a walk and buy a drink.) 2017-05-28T12:23:08Z quazimodo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T12:27:54Z varjag quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2017-05-28T12:46:28Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp 2017-05-28T12:49:21Z LiamH joined #lisp 2017-05-28T12:53:49Z onehrxn_ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2017-05-28T13:01:49Z mrottenkolber joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:07:38Z shka: i found something funny by accident 2017-05-28T13:07:40Z shka: http://paste.lisp.org/display/347651 2017-05-28T13:07:42Z shka: ;-) 2017-05-28T13:07:50Z shka: try it in sbcl 2017-05-28T13:08:46Z orivej joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:11:52Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:11:53Z beach: A bit surprising but completely conforming behavior. 2017-05-28T13:12:10Z onehrxn joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:12:29Z shka: beach: yeah, but still funny 2017-05-28T13:12:52Z beach: Sure, yes. 2017-05-28T13:13:03Z shka: i love some safety 0 2017-05-28T13:13:03Z test1600 joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:13:08Z beach: Speaking of which, I decided to write down my ideas for improved Common Lisp standard a bit more concretely: https://github.com/robert-strandh/Well-Specified-Common-Lisp 2017-05-28T13:13:16Z beach: Let me know what you think. 2017-05-28T13:14:27Z beach is guessing that the first several complaints will be about the planned markup language, and that these complaints will each be associated with a different suggestion for an alternative. 2017-05-28T13:14:49Z shka: give me a second to read it 2017-05-28T13:15:30Z ebrasca: sbcl is broken (print (test -1)) ;; t 2017-05-28T13:15:41Z shka: ebrasca: note safety 0 2017-05-28T13:15:49Z shka: that's why this actually works 2017-05-28T13:15:54Z beach: shka: Take as long as you need. Months if you like. 2017-05-28T13:16:09Z SAL9000: beach: I agree with your choice of markup language :-) 2017-05-28T13:16:29Z beach: SAL9000: Aww! :) 2017-05-28T13:16:45Z SAL9000: only a turing-complete markup language can represent the full power of CL, after all 2017-05-28T13:17:23Z beach: First time I heat that particular argument. Thanks! :) 2017-05-28T13:17:25Z ebrasca: beach: is cl not Well Specified? 2017-05-28T13:17:42Z beach: s/heat/hear/ 2017-05-28T13:17:50Z beach: ebrasca: Is that a joke? 2017-05-28T13:17:53Z shka: i really wish we could have racket scribble for documentation 2017-05-28T13:17:59Z shka: in CL 2017-05-28T13:18:20Z beach: shka: Congratulations to being number 1. 2017-05-28T13:18:34Z SAL9000: well, 0.5... not a complaint :-P 2017-05-28T13:18:36Z shka: beach: i will be gentle 2017-05-28T13:18:54Z beach: SAL9000: OK, sure. 2017-05-28T13:19:23Z ebrasca: beach: I don't know all cl to say if it is or not. 2017-05-28T13:19:54Z beach: I can give you hundreds of examples, but you need to give me some time. 2017-05-28T13:20:11Z shka: beach: phoe stumbled upon those 2017-05-28T13:20:25Z SAL9000: I imagine that some of the trivial-foo libraries can double as examples 2017-05-28T13:20:29Z beach: ebrasca: Take this page for example: 2017-05-28T13:20:34Z beach: clhs aref 2017-05-28T13:20:34Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_aref.htm 2017-05-28T13:20:58Z beach: ebrasca: What happens if the ARRAY argument is not an array? 2017-05-28T13:21:58Z SAL9000: a type error, no? 2017-05-28T13:21:59Z test1600 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-05-28T13:22:09Z beach: HAH! 2017-05-28T13:22:15Z beach: clhs 1.4.4.3 2017-05-28T13:22:15Z specbot: The ``Arguments and Values'' Section of a Dictionary Entry: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/01_ddc.htm 2017-05-28T13:22:25Z SAL9000: ... 2017-05-28T13:22:28Z beach: "Except as explicitly specified otherwise, the consequences are undefined if these type restrictions are violated." 2017-05-28T13:22:29Z SAL9000: *facepalm* 2017-05-28T13:22:30Z shka: SAL9000: usually, in practice… 2017-05-28T13:22:35Z ebrasca: beach: i can't read it in this link . 2017-05-28T13:22:41Z shka: but in theory anything can happen 2017-05-28T13:22:45Z beach: "well specified" indeed. 2017-05-28T13:23:02Z beach: ebrasca: Satisfied? 2017-05-28T13:23:13Z SAL9000: I can't stop alternating between laughing and crying 2017-05-28T13:23:14Z SAL9000: please send help 2017-05-28T13:23:19Z beach: ebrasca: Believe me, I chose that page on AREF completely randomly. 2017-05-28T13:23:29Z shka: beach: I really wish we could have something to write and manipulate markup directly from CL 2017-05-28T13:23:36Z ebrasca: beach: I am not. Now i don't know what to think. 2017-05-28T13:24:03Z shka: so it would be more like: make objects that represent paragraphs, join together, output to pdf 2017-05-28T13:24:16Z SAL9000: so... a LaTeX implementation in Lisp? 2017-05-28T13:24:18Z SAL9000: I can get behind that 2017-05-28T13:24:24Z shka: you could also throw in some unit tests for each paragraph 2017-05-28T13:24:25Z SAL9000: :-) 2017-05-28T13:24:33Z shka: SAL9000: not exactly latex 2017-05-28T13:24:39Z ebrasca: beach: I always think lisp is perfect. 2017-05-28T13:24:50Z shka: i don't think we really need full blown typesetting system 2017-05-28T13:25:00Z beach: shka: Yes, that's a different project: https://github.com/robert-strandh/Doclang 2017-05-28T13:25:02Z shka: just solid document preparation tool 2017-05-28T13:25:05Z Lowl3v3l quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-28T13:25:12Z SAL9000: shka: why not? I always end up missing the full power of LaTeX when I'm writing, say, HTML 2017-05-28T13:25:24Z beach: I totally agree with SAL9000. 2017-05-28T13:25:32Z Lowl3v3l joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:25:36Z beach: ebrasca: Think again. 2017-05-28T13:25:37Z ebrasca: I like more .org files. 2017-05-28T13:26:01Z shka: SAL9000: honestly, I am just really disappointed by current status of lisp ecosystem when it comes to document preparation tools 2017-05-28T13:26:21Z shka: so i would rather have something that i can use to document my library now 2017-05-28T13:26:38Z SAL9000: there's a half-dozen different docstring-extraction things I've seen in use already 2017-05-28T13:26:39Z shka: then wait year or so for ULTIMATE TYPESETTING SYSTEM 2017-05-28T13:26:53Z shka: SAL9000: yeah, all half-baked 2017-05-28T13:26:58Z shka: i'm using codex right now 2017-05-28T13:27:08Z shka: but it has set of problems 2017-05-28T13:27:11Z SAL9000: no argument about the half-bakedness 2017-05-28T13:27:31Z beach: Half-baked and misguided too. 2017-05-28T13:27:40Z shka: racket scribble is just nice and simple 2017-05-28T13:28:11Z SAL9000: shka: https://shinmera.github.io/staple/ 2017-05-28T13:28:42Z ebrasca: I think org-mode from emacs is good. 2017-05-28T13:28:55Z beach: AND... here we are again in the eternal debate of the advantages over one markup language over another. 2017-05-28T13:29:05Z shka: SAL9000: is it just docstring dump? 2017-05-28T13:29:05Z SAL9000: all we need now is an emacs vs vi vs * debate 2017-05-28T13:29:29Z ebrasca: emacs is in lisp 2017-05-28T13:29:33Z ebrasca: emacs win 2017-05-28T13:29:33Z SAL9000: shka: iirc, formatted docstrings + README 2017-05-28T13:29:49Z SAL9000: ebrasca: okay, bare emacs vs emacs+evil-mode 2017-05-28T13:30:08Z shka: SAL9000: nah, this won't cut it for me 2017-05-28T13:30:27Z SAL9000: in that case I'll second ebrasca's recommendation of org-mode 2017-05-28T13:30:33Z SAL9000: heck, I used it to write my Honours thesis 2017-05-28T13:31:18Z shka: i need something that i can use to blend doc strings, drawnings, tables, and paragraphs 2017-05-28T13:31:44Z beach: ebrasca: By "Satisfied?" I meant "Are you convinced that I am right that Common Lisp is not sufficiently well specified, thereby justifying the need for something like WSCL?". 2017-05-28T13:32:20Z JuanDaugherty joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:32:33Z shka: i almost think that i should start cloning scribble in CL 2017-05-28T13:32:58Z shka: syntax is already here 2017-05-28T13:33:11Z shka: we just need backend to generate docs 2017-05-28T13:33:22Z JuanDaugherty: MS scribble? 2017-05-28T13:33:27Z SAL9000: racket scribble 2017-05-28T13:33:32Z JuanDaugherty: ah 2017-05-28T13:33:33Z beach: Have a nice debate. 2017-05-28T13:33:36Z beach goes back to doing productive work. 2017-05-28T13:33:47Z shka: and codex is already using scibble syntax so i wouldn't have to change my docs 2017-05-28T13:33:52Z ebrasca: beach: I like to have new cl. There is cl21 , rutils and now WSCL 2017-05-28T13:33:56Z JuanDaugherty: yeah the cl nazis will be all over that 2017-05-28T13:34:10Z shka: JuanDaugherty: love your nick, also i love Joni Mitchell ;-) 2017-05-28T13:34:30Z ebrasca: beach: How I can help? 2017-05-28T13:34:31Z beach: ebrasca: If at some point you take the time to read the description of WSCL, you will see how totally different it is from cl21. 2017-05-28T13:34:31Z JuanDaugherty: ty 2017-05-28T13:34:32Z shka: ebrasca: nah, it is not like that 2017-05-28T13:34:52Z shka: ebrasca: WSCL is not about modernization 2017-05-28T13:35:06Z shka: it does not add new features 2017-05-28T13:35:10Z beach: ebrasca: For one thing, I mainly plan to specify what most Common Lisp implementations already do. 2017-05-28T13:35:12Z shka: it just fixes specification 2017-05-28T13:35:17Z beach: Exactly. 2017-05-28T13:35:18Z shka: which is a good idea overall 2017-05-28T13:35:31Z beach: It the minimum that everyone can agree upon. 2017-05-28T13:35:44Z shka: no idea how much work would that require though 2017-05-28T13:35:44Z JuanDaugherty: wrt to my earlier query, I realized cliki+ql is the equiv of hackage in hs 2017-05-28T13:35:49Z beach: Anything more ambitious will be rejected by a majority of the community. 2017-05-28T13:36:04Z shka: and what is required at the start 2017-05-28T13:36:18Z sondr3 joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:36:18Z ebrasca: what with http://phoe.tymoon.eu/clus/doku.php ? 2017-05-28T13:36:30Z shka: ebrasca: that whole different story 2017-05-28T13:36:31Z beach: ebrasca: But thanks. Once I get things started, I'll let you and everyone else know what there is to be done. 2017-05-28T13:37:06Z shka: ebrasca: phoe put this thing together so we can have independent documentation from hyper spec 2017-05-28T13:37:19Z shka: that is (mind you) copy righted 2017-05-28T13:37:30Z beach: ebrasca: CLUS is an improved specification of Common Lisp, whereas WSCL is a specification of an improved Common Lisp. 2017-05-28T13:37:53Z nirved_afk joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:38:21Z shka: anyway 2017-05-28T13:38:37Z ebrasca: why CLUS and WSCL can't be in one page? 2017-05-28T13:38:38Z shka: beach: it sounds like a reasonable thing to do 2017-05-28T13:38:49Z shka: ebrasca: because WCSL does not exist (yet) 2017-05-28T13:39:10Z beach: shka: Thanks. 2017-05-28T13:39:28Z shka: i have no idea how much time it would require 2017-05-28T13:40:10Z shka: also, it would be nice to get unit tests to test implementations against WSCL 2017-05-28T13:40:21Z shka: overall, seems to be quite a lot of work 2017-05-28T13:40:30Z beach: Definitely. 2017-05-28T13:40:49Z shka: *sigh* ok, time to get back to my docstrings 2017-05-28T13:41:05Z sondr3 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-28T13:43:11Z ym: Is there a wiki engine? 2017-05-28T13:43:46Z beach: ym: Could you be more specific? 2017-05-28T13:44:05Z beach: ym: Do you mean something like Cliki? 2017-05-28T13:47:04Z ym: Cliki seems fine since it has article editing form. 2017-05-28T13:47:23Z ym: I thought it's statically-paged. 2017-05-28T13:47:27Z ym: Thanks. 2017-05-28T13:52:22Z EvW joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:52:32Z ebrasca: how I can make lisp friends? 2017-05-28T13:55:47Z karswell quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-28T13:58:20Z beach: Go to ELS next year and be sociable. 2017-05-28T13:58:56Z ebrasca: where i can find money to go here? 2017-05-28T13:59:24Z daniel-s joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:59:27Z rippa joined #lisp 2017-05-28T13:59:54Z mishoo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T14:00:00Z ebrasca: beach: what do you mean with ELS? 2017-05-28T14:00:42Z shka: european lisp symposium 2017-05-28T14:00:57Z loke needs to go to els next year 2017-05-28T14:01:10Z loke: Me wishes there was an AES 2017-05-28T14:01:13Z beach: ebrasca: http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/ 2017-05-28T14:01:30Z loke: I mean ALS 2017-05-28T14:01:45Z beach: loke: That's easy to fix. Just create it. 2017-05-28T14:01:56Z shka: somehow i knew beach will say that :P 2017-05-28T14:02:10Z loke: beach: Takes a lot of effort, and also not sure you guys would attend :-( 2017-05-28T14:02:31Z beach: I'll show up. 2017-05-28T14:02:42Z beach: I can even help you organize it. 2017-05-28T14:03:37Z ebrasca: beach: help me to organize 1 in Poland 2017-05-28T14:03:46Z loke: Hmm... 2017-05-28T14:03:53Z beach: ebrasca: It was in Poland this year. 2017-05-28T14:04:07Z beach: ebrasca: I can't believe you missed it. 2017-05-28T14:04:17Z loke: The biggest event I'm part of here is the Emacs Meetup. Usually finds around 10 participants. 2017-05-28T14:04:35Z loke: beach: Wasn't ELS in Brussels? 2017-05-28T14:04:47Z beach: Er, sorry last year, I meant. 2017-05-28T14:05:05Z beach: ebrasca: http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/2016/index.html 2017-05-28T14:05:23Z ebrasca: why word why 2017-05-28T14:09:13Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2017-05-28T14:13:26Z ebrasca: maybe I have time to get to 2017 2017-05-28T14:13:54Z jameser quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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If you want to avoid that, I think you have to do it "manually", by traversing the sequence and assigning to an index every time you find a larger element. 2017-05-28T18:08:47Z beach: (let ((index 0) (max (aref array 0))) (loop for i from 1 below (length array) when (> (aref array i) max) do (setf index i) (setf max (aref array i)) finally (return index))) something like that. 2017-05-28T18:09:47Z beach: The performance issue is typically not the traversal per se, but the application of the :KEY function which is often non-trivial. 2017-05-28T18:10:44Z Bicyclidine quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-28T18:11:30Z beach: ... as in when (> (length (name (first-child (spouse (father (aref i)))))) max) ... 2017-05-28T18:12:12Z Bicyclidine joined #lisp 2017-05-28T18:13:12Z oystewh: right 2017-05-28T18:15:04Z Xal joined #lisp 2017-05-28T18:18:41Z akkad left #lisp 2017-05-28T18:21:28Z quazimodo quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-28T18:21:46Z trouble quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.2.1)) 2017-05-28T18:22:06Z manuel__ quit (Quit: manuel__) 2017-05-28T18:25:27Z knobo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T18:33:20Z gko_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-28T18:39:59Z kobain quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-28T18:40:20Z shifty quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-28T18:42:09Z atgreen quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-05-28T18:52:05Z sbodin quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2017-05-28T18:53:10Z safe joined #lisp 2017-05-28T18:54:38Z vydd joined #lisp 2017-05-28T18:54:43Z vydd_ joined #lisp 2017-05-28T18:54:48Z vydd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-28T18:55:03Z vydd joined #lisp 2017-05-28T18:57:43Z vydd quit (Client Quit) 2017-05-28T18:57:49Z vydd_ is now known as vydd 2017-05-28T18:57:59Z vydd quit (Changing host) 2017-05-28T18:57:59Z vydd joined #lisp 2017-05-28T19:14:38Z Xal quit (Quit: Quitting) 2017-05-28T19:15:07Z EvW1 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-28T19:16:40Z phinxy joined #lisp 2017-05-28T19:16:43Z EvW joined #lisp 2017-05-28T19:17:05Z JuanDaugherty quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-28T19:18:58Z onehrxn joined #lisp 2017-05-28T19:24:17Z mrottenkolber joined #lisp 2017-05-28T19:35:48Z ebrasca quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-28T19:38:58Z mrottenkolber: is changing the element-type of *standard-input/output* a thing? 2017-05-28T19:39:51Z Bicyclidine: changing the element type of a stream is impossible, as far as i know, but you can bind a stream with a different element-type to those variables 2017-05-28T19:40:22Z mrottenkolber: what if I want my standard input in (unsigned-byte 60) chunks? 2017-05-28T19:42:17Z Bicyclidine: (let ((*standard-input* (open wherever :element-type '(unsigned-byte 60)))) ...) is fine 2017-05-28T19:45:14Z mrottenkolber: right and wherever can be a stream 2017-05-28T19:47:29Z mrottenkolber: hmm no because *standard-input* is not a file-stream 2017-05-28T19:47:33Z neoncontrails quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-28T19:47:37Z araujo joined #lisp 2017-05-28T19:48:08Z neoncontrails joined #lisp 2017-05-28T19:52:43Z neoncontrails quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2017-05-28T19:55:57Z terpri quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-28T19:56:38Z samarthwiz joined #lisp 2017-05-28T20:00:21Z pjb: mrottenkolber: however, some implementations let you do that, with some implementation specific mean. 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I’ve searched on quicklisp but I couldn’t find what’s on the maths related packages... 2017-05-28T23:26:57Z pjb: com.informatimago.common-lisp.arithmetic.primes 2017-05-28T23:27:45Z Bicyclidine: no AKS, weak 2017-05-28T23:28:33Z dddddd quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-28T23:28:50Z parjanya: pjb: did you write it? 2017-05-28T23:28:57Z pjb: yes 2017-05-28T23:29:45Z parjanya: pjb: thanks, then :) what would be the best way to chase this kind of thing? 2017-05-28T23:30:35Z pjb: normally, it should be in quicklisp. 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