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2017-05-23T05:38:21Z duckqlz: GOOD MORNING VIETNAM! 2017-05-23T05:38:48Z a7f4: beach: good morning! 2017-05-23T05:41:19Z vtomole quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-23T05:42:04Z adolf_stalin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T05:42:31Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp 2017-05-23T05:46:51Z azzamsa quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2017-05-23T05:46:54Z adolf_stalin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T05:47:41Z beach: duckqlz: Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick. 2017-05-23T05:48:53Z axion: morning beach 2017-05-23T05:56:14Z shdeng quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-05-23T05:58:22Z renzz joined #lisp 2017-05-23T05:58:22Z shka_ joined #lisp 2017-05-23T06:01:08Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T06:02:05Z duckqlz: I am new here :$ 2017-05-23T06:02:33Z beach: Welcome! 2017-05-23T06:03:35Z duckqlz: thank you :) 2017-05-23T06:04:26Z emaczen joined #lisp 2017-05-23T06:06:11Z beach: duckqlz: Are you planning to learn Common Lisp, or do you already know it? 2017-05-23T06:06:32Z Xof quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-05-23T06:07:35Z wildbartty- quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T06:07:57Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T06:08:57Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T06:11:11Z duckqlz: I know comon lisp already 2017-05-23T06:11:26Z duckqlz: I am just here to observe and hopefully pick up some high level techniques 2017-05-23T06:11:27Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the 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How do you guys deal with asdf loading the right system depending on if you want to develop your fork or just want to use the quicklisp 'master'? 2017-05-23T11:30:36Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-23T11:30:41Z sondr3 joined #lisp 2017-05-23T11:32:12Z MrWoohoo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T11:33:39Z _death: remove the quicklisp one and keep your fork compatible, or patch the user code 2017-05-23T11:36:46Z jsjolen: _death:Ouch. Yeah, I looked through the manual and code. There doesn't seem to be a more fine-grained way of dealing with system loading than loading whole directories and their subdirectories 2017-05-23T11:39:42Z qaros quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T11:40:12Z xaotuk joined #lisp 2017-05-23T11:43:07Z qaros joined #lisp 2017-05-23T11:43:21Z jackdaniel: jsjolen: I have symlinks in ~/quicklisp/local-projects 2017-05-23T11:43:31Z jackdaniel: when I want "canonical" version, I simply remove the symlink 2017-05-23T11:48:10Z jsjolen: jackdaniel:Nice. 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I don't recognize your nick. 2017-05-23T16:18:58Z tapioco: no I'm not 2017-05-23T16:19:06Z tapioco: I'm Posterdati in another context 2017-05-23T16:19:21Z beach: Ah, I see. 2017-05-23T16:19:32Z tapioco: yes 2017-05-23T16:19:41Z tapioco: I was playing a bit with cl-spidev 2017-05-23T16:19:51Z tapioco: and found that it can't run on ecl :( 2017-05-23T16:21:29Z jackdaniel: sorry to hear that - is it something what can be fixed on ecl side? 2017-05-23T16:23:05Z duckqlz: anyone have cl-irc working? 2017-05-23T16:23:14Z pierpa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T16:23:19Z jackdaniel: minion: tell me about your software 2017-05-23T16:23:19Z minion: jackdaniel: what's up? 2017-05-23T16:23:25Z jackdaniel: minion: help 2017-05-23T16:23:25Z minion: There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms". 2017-05-23T16:25:58Z tapioco: jackdaniel: no, it is shinmera fault :) 2017-05-23T16:26:22Z duckqlz: minion: advice #119013 2017-05-23T16:26:22Z minion: You can't just make up advice numbers and expect a response. 2017-05-23T16:26:33Z tapioco: jackdaniel: he didn't provide an ecl compatible ioctl, he used sbcl and ccl posix interface 2017-05-23T16:26:39Z duckqlz: minion: advice #11913 2017-05-23T16:26:39Z minion: Gee, I don't know. 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Eternal deprecations yay 2017-05-23T17:50:14Z axion: That has been in place forever 2017-05-23T17:50:27Z setheus quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T17:50:40Z Xach: sdl2kit itself did not get the memo 2017-05-23T17:50:55Z axion: Yeah it was in haste after a lot of confusion I received lately 2017-05-23T17:51:50Z andrzejk_ joined #lisp 2017-05-23T17:52:11Z setheus joined #lisp 2017-05-23T17:52:29Z varjag joined #lisp 2017-05-23T17:55:55Z axion: Xach: is there a way to see all the projects that depend on a system? I actually didn't think sdl2kit was really used much 2017-05-23T18:03:07Z vydd: axion: (ql:who-depends-on "sdl2kit") looks like only sketch is using it...and it's using kit.sdl2 2017-05-23T18:04:54Z cpt_nemo_ quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2017-05-23T18:05:40Z axion: vydd: odd, Xach informed me it broke several projects 2017-05-23T18:05:54Z milanj_ quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2017-05-23T18:06:06Z thorondor[m]: what's wrong with sdl2kit 2017-05-23T18:06:07Z thorondor[m]: ? 2017-05-23T18:06:11Z Xach: i think it is because sdl2kit itself broke 2017-05-23T18:06:40Z axion: Well it's fixed now, sorry. 2017-05-23T18:07:24Z axion: Not sure how it affected several projects though. If sketch is indeed the only thing using it, and correctly, I would like to make that namespace obsolete. 2017-05-23T18:07:33Z axion: Eventually 2017-05-23T18:09:15Z hhdave quit (Quit: hhdave) 2017-05-23T18:10:05Z Bock quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-23T18:15:04Z milanj_ joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:15:06Z Xach: axion: i think i interpreted the logs wrong 2017-05-23T18:15:24Z Xach: axion: the only thing actually broken was sdl2kit itself, but that breakage affected things even though they used the right package 2017-05-23T18:16:08Z axion: Xach: by things you mean solely sketch and sdl2kit itself? 2017-05-23T18:16:12Z Xach: yes 2017-05-23T18:16:18Z axion: Ok good thanks 2017-05-23T18:16:36Z Xach: http://report.quicklisp.org/2017-05-23/failure-report.html 2017-05-23T18:16:50Z Xach: I'll rebuild and see what changes 2017-05-23T18:18:01Z axion: Ah and glkit has an indirect dependency via sdl2kit-examples 2017-05-23T18:18:04Z axion: Ok 2017-05-23T18:19:09Z TDT joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:19:18Z Blukunfando joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:25:05Z jasom quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-23T18:25:32Z jasom joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:28:47Z dddddd joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:31:42Z TDT quit (Quit: TDT) 2017-05-23T18:33:33Z EvW1 joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:34:35Z axion: Oh right, I can't do that optimization because glkit is not smart enough 2017-05-23T18:34:48Z Grue` quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T18:34:51Z axion: wrong channel 2017-05-23T18:34:59Z TDT joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:36:18Z otjura joined #lisp 2017-05-23T18:38:21Z emaczen: is there a balance between arguments of #'invoke-restart and #'invoke-restart-interactively? 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The solution is to put them in a util.lisp or something, and ideally that could be the start of a new library over a long time, or perhaps get merged into an existing one. 2017-05-23T21:13:32Z _death: well, one purpose of writing your own macros is so that you can use them 2017-05-23T21:14:52Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T21:22:23Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp 2017-05-23T21:23:45Z python476 joined #lisp 2017-05-23T21:24:26Z kmb quit (Quit: kmb) 2017-05-23T21:27:02Z _death: also, sometimes implementing an operator leads to a better understanding of the issues involved.. which may help with questions you had about it before 2017-05-23T21:31:29Z Guest25118 quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I thought maybe some design principles applied to _not_ to write such a macro since we don't have it in alexandria. 2017-05-23T22:19:33Z Bike: emaczen: i don't understand how this implies that the restart needs access to the condition. 2017-05-23T22:19:54Z emaczen: Bike: S 2017-05-23T22:20:23Z vydd quit (Quit: vydd) 2017-05-23T22:20:28Z emaczen: Bike: The user is just supplying an index to insert at. The condition contains the value. 2017-05-23T22:21:17Z vydd joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:21:47Z Bike: Oh. So you have something like (restart-case (error 'bad-parse :value value) (use-index (index) ...))? 2017-05-23T22:22:09Z emaczen: Bike: I think the mix between #'invoke-restart and #'invoke-restart-interactively is missing -- the first 2017-05-23T22:22:27Z emaczen: the first's lambda list takes a &rest in its lambda-list and the last takes no arguments 2017-05-23T22:23:32Z Bike: it doesn't take any arguments because it just calls the :interactive function. so you could have like (restart-case (error 'bad-parse :value value) (use-index (value index) :interactive (lambda () (list value (prompt-for-index))) ...)) 2017-05-23T22:23:43Z Bike: or in that particular code you wouldn't need it since you have value in context anyway 2017-05-23T22:24:15Z emaczen: Bike: I have (restart-case (some-outer-form which calls methods where (error 'bad-parse :value value) can be called) (use-index ...)) 2017-05-23T22:24:57Z DataLinkDroid joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:24:58Z Bike: you can get it with handler-bind then 2017-05-23T22:25:28Z chu quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:25:38Z sondr3 joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:25:41Z emaczen: Bike: through the condition? 2017-05-23T22:25:55Z Bike: like (let (value) (restart-case (handler-bind ((bad-parse (lambda (c) (setf value (bad-parse-value c))))) (outer-form)) (use-index (index) ... value ...))) 2017-05-23T22:26:05Z kbtr_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:26:18Z dpg joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:26:58Z Bike: i know that's kind of confusing. 2017-05-23T22:27:01Z kbtr joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:27:08Z emaczen: Bike: yes... 2017-05-23T22:27:38Z Bike: Basically, when the inner function signals there's a bad parse, at the restart-case you have a handler set up so that you grab the value and then let the condition continue up to the debugger. 2017-05-23T22:28:36Z emaczen: Bike: what do you mean by "continue up to the debugger" 2017-05-23T22:29:11Z Bike: it's how condition signaling works. when you call error or whatever it looks for the most recent handler, and if that doesn't handle it continues up, etc. if it runs out it calls the debugger. 2017-05-23T22:29:33Z emaczen: Bike: Ok I see. 2017-05-23T22:29:57Z Lowl3v3l quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:29:59Z emaczen: Bike: I'll be back at my computer later, I am enjoying the condition system though! 2017-05-23T22:33:22Z whoman quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:34:23Z whoman joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:34:47Z danlentz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-23T22:34:48Z aaronjensen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:35:01Z adolf_stalin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T22:35:06Z danlentz joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:35:29Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:36:15Z aaronjensen joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:38:37Z _death: fourier: alexandria is not a kitchen-sink utility library.. it is meant to be a conservative least-common-denominator library.. personally I never felt the need for an if-let* operator, and I don't think I've ever seen it in the wild.. 2017-05-23T22:40:11Z adolf_stalin quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:40:31Z chu joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:41:48Z fourier quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:41:55Z _death: fourier: such concerns should not prevent you from writing it yourself though.. before alexandria, many people had their own utility libraries.. after alexandria, the only desired effect is that they shrink a little 2017-05-23T22:43:16Z _death: hmm, fourier's no longer here it seems 2017-05-23T22:48:12Z Jesin quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-05-23T22:49:03Z varjag quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:50:11Z phinxy quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-05-23T22:51:05Z ym quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:51:28Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:54:03Z ym joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:56:02Z dpg quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T22:57:17Z Jesin joined #lisp 2017-05-23T22:58:05Z phinxy joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:00:33Z phinxy quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-05-23T23:04:35Z fiddlerwoaroof quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-05-23T23:04:48Z rumbler31 joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:05:06Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T23:05:24Z rumbler31 joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:05:56Z whoman quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-05-23T23:06:37Z anomie___ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2017-05-23T23:07:52Z LiamH quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2017-05-23T23:08:06Z fiddlerwoaroof joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:11:48Z prole quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.2.1)) 2017-05-23T23:17:02Z prxq joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:19:03Z jleija joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:19:24Z EvW1 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T23:19:38Z megalography joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:20:02Z EvW joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:20:40Z angavrilov quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T23:21:19Z Kaisyu joined #lisp 2017-05-23T23:25:24Z duckqlz quit (Quit: leaving) 2017-05-23T23:27:03Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2017-05-23T23:33:39Z wokko quit (Quit: leaving) 2017-05-23T23:43:45Z sellout- quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2017-05-23T23:45:29Z prxq quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-05-23T23:55:50Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2017-05-23T23:59:09Z oleo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)