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2017-05-14T02:26:34Z james: https://pastebin.com/dNfBpnvq
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2017-05-14T02:27:38Z Guest96201: I'm trying to work with tabular data in lisp, I'm new to the language. I'm getting no output, what am I doing wrong or is there a better way of soing this? https://pastebin.com/dNfBpnvq
2017-05-14T02:30:12Z Bike: you're, what, just loading this file?
2017-05-14T02:33:14Z aeth: Guest96201: what are you trying to do?
2017-05-14T02:33:47Z discardedes: aeth: figure out how irc works maybe?
2017-05-14T02:33:50Z discardedes: :-P
2017-05-14T02:34:33Z aeth: Guest96201: running that code, I get (HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN) which is exactly what I'd expect.
2017-05-14T02:34:49Z Bike: i think the nature of "running" is important
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2017-05-14T02:34:57Z Bike: if you just put that in a file and load it there will be no output
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2017-05-14T02:35:52Z aeth: If you want to read a plist from a file, you can do something like this: https://gitlab.com/zombie-raptor/zombie-raptor/blob/fcde9f8f14db163650b140579b94bae6ecc2eff1/data/game-data.lisp#L24-38
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2017-05-14T02:36:36Z aeth: You don't want to do (list :foo 1 :bar 2) if you're reading it from a file because it'll be quoted, so it'd be treated like '(:foo 1 :bar 2)
2017-05-14T02:38:00Z aeth: If you're putting that in a .lisp file, or running that in the REPL, you should get (HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN)
2017-05-14T02:39:21Z aeth: But, if you have (getf *wilderness* :1) in a loaded file it'll just silently produce (HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN). The REPL prints. Thus the name read eval print loop. The file won't.
2017-05-14T02:41:38Z aeth: You would have to do something like (format t "~A~%" (getf *wilderness* :1)) instead if you're not in the REPL and you want to print.
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2017-05-14T02:44:52Z aeth: This doesn't look like a data structure that should be a plist, though. If you're going for random access, you should use an array or a hash-table instead of a list. Lists in Lisp are linked list, and are for sequential access.
2017-05-14T02:45:22Z aeth: As a rule of thumb, if you're not using something like Alexandria's doplist to iterate over everything, you probably want to use an array or a hash-table rather than a plist.
2017-05-14T02:46:52Z aeth: A list within a plist with an integer key sounds like a good candidate for a two dimensional array. They're easy in Lisp. http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_mk_ar.htm
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2017-05-14T03:31:36Z holycow: o/
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2017-05-14T09:05:40Z phoe: Hello everyone.
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2017-05-14T09:06:27Z beach: Hello phoe.
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2017-05-14T09:08:40Z beach: Hmm, making my old code conform to my current standards seems to be a full-time job.
2017-05-14T09:09:40Z beach: It is good though, because, now that Quicklisp exists, I can either eliminate code and import the equivalent from Quicklisp, or extract independent parts in view of an integration into Quicklisp.
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2017-05-14T09:49:53Z krator44: beach: it's a good sign i think that you are making progress that code you wrote recently just *has* to be re-written
2017-05-14T09:50:37Z krator44: i've been rewriting code constantly
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2017-05-14T09:52:25Z krator44: 'cause "i dont write that way anymore" and "i can rewrite it in 1/4 the time" and anyway it's going to be improved by rewriting
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2017-05-14T10:11:56Z krator44: i think i miss the most in lisp (from a c++ background) the forward function declarations..
2017-05-14T10:12:25Z krator44: 'cause you used to be able to just write the function headers and structs then fill them in
2017-05-14T10:14:25Z krator44: whereas in common lisp it's a bit different
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2017-05-14T12:34:55Z beach: krator44: What jackdaniel says.  With generic functions, that's essentially what one does.
2017-05-14T12:40:27Z beach: ... and one of the things I do differently these days is that I use generic functions more often than I used to.
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2017-05-14T14:54:25Z beach: Remind me why trace output in the slime-repl buffer does not give inspectable presentations.
2017-05-14T14:55:27Z beach: Oh, because the code that generates trace output just spits out sequences of characters?
2017-05-14T14:55:31Z jackdaniel: I guess it's because it simply captures *trace-io*, so it doesn't have any association between printed representation and objects
2017-05-14T14:55:37Z beach: Yeah.
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2017-05-14T14:56:30Z phoe: I think you would need to implement a lot of implementation-specific details in SLIME to get interactive presentations.
2017-05-14T14:56:34Z jackdaniel: speaking of sequences of characters, I think there is something fishy going on in McCLIM, but can't narrow it really (for a few hours now)
2017-05-14T14:57:10Z jackdaniel: phoe: you have interactive presentations in slime - press right mouse key on object in repl
2017-05-14T14:57:15Z jackdaniel: and select inspect
2017-05-14T14:57:30Z phoe: jackdaniel: interactive presentations for trace output
2017-05-14T14:57:46Z phoe: I know about normal presentations of returned values.
2017-05-14T15:00:34Z beach: Yes, I think that's right.  The trace-printing routines of the implementation would have to know about the interface to SLIME, so a lot of work.
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2017-05-14T15:03:03Z phoe: We'd basically need to reimplement tracing methods.
2017-05-14T15:03:36Z phoe: So instead of simply printing out the arguments, they will be able to do other things, like send presentations to SLIME.
2017-05-14T15:03:48Z phoe: s/arguments/function names and arguments/
2017-05-14T15:04:12Z jackdaniel: actuall trace allows that stuff, but it's implementation -dependent
2017-05-14T15:04:16Z jackdaniel: for instance sbcl has report-type
2017-05-14T15:05:25Z jackdaniel: which allows either printing or profiling
2017-05-14T15:06:02Z jackdaniel: :break creates fake lexenv there, so you can send things to slime too
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2017-05-14T15:14:44Z pjb: it's *trace-output* there's no inputing traces.
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2017-05-14T15:29:59Z phoe: pjb: we're not talking about sending stuff to the *trace-output* stream, we're thinking about going a level below, into the tracing facility's internals.
2017-05-14T15:30:19Z phoe: so the facility does *not* send stuff to the stream, but instead creates and sends presentations to SLIME.
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2017-05-14T16:30:44Z Xach: jackdaniel: hmm, mcclim-bezier is required by something but is not found
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2017-05-14T17:20:24Z jackdaniel: Xach: did you refresh your system definitions cache? it's defined in Extensions/bezier/mcclim-bezier.asd
2017-05-14T17:20:37Z jackdaniel: and it's required by mcclim/extensions defined in toplevel mccli.asd file afaik
2017-05-14T17:20:43Z jackdaniel: mcclim.asd °
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2017-05-14T17:21:37Z Xach: jackdaniel: found the trouble
2017-05-14T17:21:43Z Xach: http://report.quicklisp.org/2017-05-14/failure-report/mcclim.html#mcclim-bezier
2017-05-14T17:21:53Z Xach: it doesn't load if you try to load it directly by itself
2017-05-14T17:22:15Z Xach: but unrelated deps make it work as a dependency of some other stuff
2017-05-14T17:22:23Z jackdaniel: thanks, will push fix in a minute
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2017-05-14T17:28:57Z jackdaniel: Xach: please try now
2017-05-14T17:29:38Z jackdaniel: fwiw, I have wip rework of system dependency graph, but its far from being finished
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2017-05-14T18:36:41Z John[Lisbeth]: is there a macro that takes a definition like this (if t nil t) and returns (lambda () (if t nil t)). So if the macro were $ then writing $(if t nil t) would return (lambda () (t nil t)) ?
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2017-05-14T18:39:48Z otjura: implicit progns, bad or good? I personally find they reduce readability.
2017-05-14T18:40:12Z John[Lisbeth]: well if you like mutability implicit progns are great
2017-05-14T18:40:18Z John[Lisbeth]: if you dont like mutability then they aren't
2017-05-14T18:40:34Z John[Lisbeth]: if you kinda like mutability implicit progns are only sorta bad
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2017-05-14T18:40:55Z otjura: whatcha mean? give dumb example
2017-05-14T18:41:21Z phoe: wait, you're missing if somewhere
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2017-05-14T18:41:54Z John[Lisbeth]: sorry it would need to return (lambda () (if t nil t))
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2017-05-14T18:42:38Z Bike: what does that have to do with progns
2017-05-14T18:42:40Z otjura: phoe: well pretty much everywhere I see WHEN in someone elses code ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2017-05-14T18:42:51Z phoe: (defmacro il (&body forms) `(lambda () ,forms))
2017-05-14T18:43:05Z phoe: (il if t nil t) ;=> (lambda () (if t nil t))
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2017-05-14T18:43:43Z Bike: that's kind of a weird way to write it
2017-05-14T18:44:01Z phoe: well, I think it was requested
2017-05-14T18:44:17Z phoe: (defmacro il (&body progns) `(lambda () ,@progns))
2017-05-14T18:44:24Z phoe: (il (if t nil t)) ;=> (lambda () (if t nil t))
2017-05-14T18:44:38Z phoe: but I don't see what you are gaining here
2017-05-14T18:44:45Z krator44: Xach: it's kind of.. what i like is that if you change the function header that you will instantly get an error from the compiler that you can then fix etc
2017-05-14T18:44:49Z phoe: you're effectively saving yourself a pair of parens
2017-05-14T18:45:03Z phoe: like, "is there a macro that takes a definition like this (if t nil t) and returns (lambda () (if t nil t))"
2017-05-14T18:45:06Z phoe: there is
2017-05-14T18:45:08Z phoe: clhs lambda
2017-05-14T18:45:08Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_lambda.htm
2017-05-14T18:45:10Z phoe: ^
2017-05-14T18:45:11Z John[Lisbeth]: I wasn't the one with the question about progns I was answering the other guy's questions
2017-05-14T18:45:13Z phoe: clhs lambsa
2017-05-14T18:45:13Z specbot: Couldn't find anything for lambsa.
2017-05-14T18:45:31Z Bike: oh, my mistake.
2017-05-14T18:45:32Z John[Lisbeth]: I simply want a macro that will let me take a set of lisp parens and wrap it in a lambda so that I don't have to type out the lambda
2017-05-14T18:45:41Z Bike: yeah. done. there you go
2017-05-14T18:45:50Z John[Lisbeth]: second
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2017-05-14T18:45:52Z Bike: no idea what you mean by "set of lisp parens" though
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2017-05-14T18:46:16Z John[Lisbeth]: what's the timestamp on that?
2017-05-14T18:46:59Z whoman: Bike,  (hello n)  -> (lambda (n) (hello n))
2017-05-14T18:47:16Z Bike: ??
2017-05-14T18:47:20Z whoman: i think Lispy has something like this
2017-05-14T18:47:38Z whoman: Bike, lisp refactoring. slurp sexp, add lambda, spit result.
2017-05-14T18:48:04Z John[Lisbeth]: was this it? (defmacro il (&body forms) `(lambda () ,forms))
2017-05-14T18:48:16Z Bike: yeah, or ,@forms, or whatever.
2017-05-14T18:48:57Z phoe: (set-macro-character #\λ (lambda (stream char) (declare (ignore char)) `(lambda () ,(read stream t nil t))))
2017-05-14T18:49:11Z phoe: λ(if t nil t) ;=> (lambda () (if t nil t))
2017-05-14T18:49:27Z phoe: but do not use this in any kind of code that other people will ever need to read.
2017-05-14T18:50:27Z John[Lisbeth]: maybe I can do some sort of unset-macro-character at the end of my source
2017-05-14T18:51:44Z Fare: what's the highest perf httpd in CL?
2017-05-14T18:52:06Z phoe: John[Lisbeth]: no, it's not about unsetting macro characters
2017-05-14T18:52:12Z phoe: it's about forcing people to read your customizations
2017-05-14T18:52:16Z John[Lisbeth]: meh
2017-05-14T18:52:20Z John[Lisbeth]: let it burn
2017-05-14T18:52:22Z jackdaniel: according to woo author - it's woo
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2017-05-14T18:52:37Z jackdaniel: he presented some benchmarks on ELS in London
2017-05-14T18:52:45Z jackdaniel: Fare: ↑
2017-05-14T18:52:45Z dim: woo's the author you said?
2017-05-14T18:52:51Z dim: (sorry coudn't resist)
2017-05-14T18:53:08Z jackdaniel: dim: heh, it's Etanairo Fukamachi (I may have mispelled his name)
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2017-05-14T18:53:37Z jackdaniel: it's depends on ffi to libev afair
2017-05-14T18:54:40Z dim: I'm close to consider writing a native SQLite file reader and maybe a TDS (MS SQL, Sybase) protocol implementation too, just for the sake of not having to deal with .so dependencies
2017-05-14T18:54:59Z dim: each time some lisp code I want to run needs to load a .so, I run into trouble, somehwo
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2017-05-14T18:55:50Z jackdaniel: sqlite compiles flawlessly to *.a too
2017-05-14T18:55:53Z dim: SQLite file reader might be easy enough, the TDS protocol I'd rather not to actually
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2017-05-14T18:56:08Z krator44: Xach: and you can just alter like.. some structs and headers then fix the errors uh.. but maybe i'm too reliant on compiler generated errors
2017-05-14T18:56:17Z jackdaniel: I plan to include sqlite.a as ECL module (sqlite.fas) with some nice interface. but not in the next release
2017-05-14T18:56:25Z dim: jackdaniel: maybe it's time for me to learn how to produce static builds with SBCL and CCL (and ECL?) then>?
2017-05-14T18:56:38Z jackdaniel: ecl supports static builds natively
2017-05-14T18:57:01Z jackdaniel: see asdf:make-build (in asdf bundled with ECL) – it's also documented in the manual/newdoc
2017-05-14T18:57:04Z dim: can it run pgloader nowadays? I kind of remember it couldn't
2017-05-14T18:57:22Z dim: (installing 16.1.3)
2017-05-14T18:57:39Z jackdaniel: let me know if it can
2017-05-14T18:57:47Z jackdaniel: it didn't get any faster in the meantime though
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2017-05-14T18:58:11Z jackdaniel: I did some experiments with CLOS dispatch implementation, but without speed improvements (it got worse :)
2017-05-14T18:58:19Z jackdaniel: so it's not included
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2017-05-14T18:59:45Z dim: well in pgloader I use generics a lot but only for high level APIs
2017-05-14T19:00:04Z dim: stassats adviced me against using them for performance sensible code
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2017-05-14T19:00:16Z dim: so the inner loops and things are avoiding generics
2017-05-14T19:00:55Z dim now loading pgloader into ECL 16.1.3
2017-05-14T19:01:10Z dim: well having it compile flexi-streams and all the other dependencies
2017-05-14T19:01:22Z dim: pgloader has many of them
2017-05-14T19:01:42Z jackdaniel: develop branch have some fixes, but I didn't run any regression tests yet (only internal checks and ansi-test suite)
2017-05-14T19:01:52Z jackdaniel: I'll have to run cl-test-grid sometime soon
2017-05-14T19:02:50Z dim: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dim@tapoueh.org --- 60+ dependencies
2017-05-14T19:03:36Z jackdaniel: these are only direct, or indirect too?
2017-05-14T19:05:04Z dim: including indirect yes
2017-05-14T19:05:10Z dim: direct is in the 20+ range
2017-05-14T19:05:31Z dim: loaded ;-)
2017-05-14T19:05:40Z jackdaniel: well, then you should see mcclim dependency graph ^_^
2017-05-14T19:05:54Z jackdaniel: I think I have it somewhere, let me see
2017-05-14T19:06:04Z dim: Failed to connect to pgsql at :UNIX (port 5432) as user "dim": -1 is not of type UNSIGNED-BYTE.
2017-05-14T19:06:06Z dim: ouch.
2017-05-14T19:06:25Z jackdaniel: could you narrow it to reproducible test case and post an issue?
2017-05-14T19:06:53Z jackdaniel: probably unix domain sockets problem
2017-05-14T19:07:06Z dim: sldb stacktrace seems to be all about slime/swank
2017-05-14T19:07:19Z jackdaniel: try slime from master branch
2017-05-14T19:07:37Z dim: (pgloader:run-commands "/Users/dim/dev/pgloader/test/csv.load" :client-min-messages :warning)
2017-05-14T19:07:39Z jackdaniel: it has a few fixes for ECL (marged ~1 week ago)
2017-05-14T19:07:52Z dim: that's easy enough all you need is a PostgreSQL available from the env
2017-05-14T19:08:09Z dim: (or to tweak the connection string in the test file)
2017-05-14T19:08:30Z dim: well I will try another time, it was more curiosity than need here
2017-05-14T19:09:02Z dim: I'm interested into building a static binary image including SSL and other dependencies of course, but well, I feel like I'm done hacking for tonight
2017-05-14T19:09:03Z jackdaniel: http://hellsgate.pl/all-full.png ← dep graph
2017-05-14T19:09:13Z dim: oh wow nice ;-)
2017-05-14T19:09:29Z dim: I want to try McCLIM as an educational environment
2017-05-14T19:09:51Z dim: last I tried it failed to connect to XQuartz X server, because of its protocol version
2017-05-14T19:11:33Z jackdaniel: what do you mean by education environment?
2017-05-14T19:12:12Z jackdaniel: it looks more like a CLX-side problem, but that's a shame anyway
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2017-05-14T19:18:42Z dim: education as in teaching programming to kids
2017-05-14T19:20:07Z dim: ok time to get off the keyboard, see you!
2017-05-14T19:21:02Z jackdaniel: bye o/
2017-05-14T19:21:13Z jackdaniel: I'm offline too (:
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2017-05-14T19:47:47Z Fare: Eitarow / 8arrows
2017-05-14T19:48:50Z Fare: jackdaniel: what are your plans wrt newer ASDF versions?
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2017-05-14T20:26:48Z jackdaniel: I'm staying with 3.1.x series, users are free to use other versions if they feel like doing it
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2017-05-14T22:00:53Z Fare: will there be a clisp release in the next 7 years?
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2017-05-14T22:28:18Z prxq: Fare: for telling that you'd need a crystal ball. That said, I'd bet against it.
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2017-05-14T22:50:38Z Fade: Didn't Bruno Haible make a public post recently about working toward a release?
2017-05-14T22:54:58Z akkad: if only reddit had used clisp
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2017-05-14T23:04:17Z Fare: what in the installPhase, the $PWD seems to not be the same as in the buildPhase!
2017-05-14T23:04:40Z Fare: it tells me cp: cannot stat 'bin': No such file or directory
2017-05-14T23:04:57Z Fare: having to do a 20 minute rebuild between two attempts is frustrating at best.
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2017-05-14T23:06:01Z Fare: wrong channel.. Oops
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2017-05-14T23:18:30Z aeth: I love working with multiple values. It looks like inlined multiple value functions can apparently serve as the basis of a common set of functions in my math library, unless I'm mistaken.
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2017-05-14T23:19:48Z aeth: Whether something replaces an array (e.g. foo-into) or replaces an array row or allocates a new array or even just works with values directly, it can (apparently) be expressed as things based on pure, inlined functions that take in and return multiple values.
2017-05-14T23:19:53Z msmith: does anyone know of an easy way to convert an integer to an array of unsigned 8-bit bytes?
2017-05-14T23:24:42Z pjb: (let ((n 42) (v (make-array 8 :element-type 'bit))) (loop for i below (length v) do (setf (aref v i) (ldb (byte 1 i) n))) v) #| --> #*01010100 |#
2017-05-14T23:25:23Z pjb: (let ((n (expt 3 42)) (v (make-array 8 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))) (loop for i below (length v) do (setf (aref v i) (ldb (byte 8 i) n))) v) #| --> #(41 148 74 37 146 73 164 82) |#
2017-05-14T23:26:01Z pjb: Fare: there will be a new release of clisp when it will be ready, no sooner, no later.
2017-05-14T23:27:19Z aeth: I'd love to see clisp improve its numerical aspects. e.g. iirc, it's the only CL that doesn't have specialized arrays for single-float and double-float, which a lot of code relies on.
2017-05-14T23:28:09Z msmith: pjb: impressive if you whipped that up that fast.  thanks
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2017-05-14T23:42:16Z shrdlu68: msmith: https://github.com/shrdlu68/cl-tls/blob/master/src/utils.lisp#L29
2017-05-14T23:43:19Z pjb: msmith: it should not be impressive, it's a single simple loop!
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2017-05-14T23:47:51Z msmith: pjb: well I find it impressive.  unless you do a lot of working with bytes in common lisp you wouldn't be able to write that that fast
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2017-05-14T23:48:15Z msmith: pjb:  and I've done more than most.
2017-05-14T23:48:30Z pjb: msmith: and I had to consult clhs for byte since I never remember which comes first, size or position.
2017-05-14T23:49:31Z pjb: and there's a bug:
2017-05-14T23:49:39Z pjb: (let ((n (expt 3 42)) (v (make-array 8 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))) (loop for i below (length v) do (setf (aref v i) (ldb (byte 8 (* 8 i)) n))) v) #| --> #(41 41 31 114 227 86 126 238) |#
2017-05-14T23:50:04Z pjb: (byte 8 (* 8 i)) is the correct chunk.
2017-05-14T23:50:41Z Fare: pjb: but are people actively working on it?
2017-05-14T23:50:48Z pjb: yes.
2017-05-14T23:50:53Z Fare: and what are the criteria for "ready"?
2017-05-14T23:51:26Z pjb: AFAIK, being able to make a release.
2017-05-14T23:51:42Z Fare: also, how do I debug the gc bug that keeps deterministically but input-sensitively segfaulting when I run the asdf tests?
2017-05-14T23:52:09Z pjb: You'd have to ask this in the clisp-devel mailing list.
2017-05-14T23:54:13Z Fare: shrdlu68, is that tls in cl, or a wrapper around libtls?
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