2017-05-10T00:00:40Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:02:08Z jdz joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:02:34Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:03:32Z Dotcra joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:05:08Z p9s joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:06:48Z Lowl3v3l quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:07:10Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:15:43Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:18:43Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:21:38Z hiro1 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:27:27Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:27:40Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:30:49Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:31:11Z hiro1 left #lisp
2017-05-10T00:31:57Z adolf_stalin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:32:14Z TDT quit (Quit: TDT)
2017-05-10T00:33:20Z trocado quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T00:35:42Z nirved quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T00:37:14Z pjb joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:37:29Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:42:04Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:42:19Z arquebus joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:42:29Z Jesin quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T00:45:50Z vtomole quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:46:58Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T00:47:37Z papachan quit (Quit: Saliendo)
2017-05-10T00:47:48Z varjag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:49:16Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:52:48Z lpaste quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:55:20Z quazimodo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:56:46Z warweasle joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:57:48Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:58:00Z lpaste joined #lisp
2017-05-10T00:58:24Z BlueRavenGT quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T00:58:42Z dmiles joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:01:22Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:01:32Z smoon joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:02:58Z arquebus quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T01:10:03Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:11:27Z arbv quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:12:41Z warweasle quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.4.1)
2017-05-10T01:12:52Z MONODA joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:12:54Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:13:58Z sellout- quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T01:14:59Z rumbler31 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:17:19Z rumbler3_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:19:27Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:19:27Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:20:54Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:21:29Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:24:22Z velo-alien joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:25:38Z neoncontrails joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:27:48Z Jesin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:28:42Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:30:56Z sellout- joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:33:08Z adolf_stalin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:34:06Z brahma joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:35:03Z brahma: anyone know of a fairly concise cl "cheatsheet"?
2017-05-10T01:39:10Z lpaste quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:39:33Z edgar-rft: brahma, see <http://clqr.boundp.org/>
2017-05-10T01:39:59Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:40:19Z jameser joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:40:38Z brahma: omg
2017-05-10T01:41:00Z jameser quit (Client Quit)
2017-05-10T01:41:16Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:42:13Z lpaste joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:44:04Z shifty joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:45:30Z brahma: edgar-rft: I owe you one. Thank you so much
2017-05-10T01:47:21Z edgar-rft: marry me and pay my bills for the rest of your life :-)
2017-05-10T01:47:57Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:53:30Z jack_rabbit joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:53:38Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T01:55:39Z d4ryus3 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T01:59:25Z d4ryus2 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T02:05:54Z moei quit (Quit: Leaving...)
2017-05-10T02:12:35Z DeadTrickster quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T02:13:55Z scottj quit (Quit: leaving)
2017-05-10T02:16:25Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:17:59Z Jesin quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T02:21:59Z jameser joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:24:58Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2017-05-10T02:29:26Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:30:39Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:30:47Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T02:32:02Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:32:55Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed)
2017-05-10T02:33:49Z adolf_stalin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T02:34:40Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T02:44:20Z dddddd quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T02:44:39Z pilne quit (Quit: Quitting!)
2017-05-10T02:49:14Z pillton: What is wrong with the hyperspec out of curiosity? It provides a dictionary subsection within each section.
2017-05-10T02:51:08Z Bike: way too long to write on my pencil, can't cheat with it
2017-05-10T02:52:00Z anonymi quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T02:52:10Z shrdlu68 quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
2017-05-10T02:52:45Z anonymi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:53:13Z lpaste quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T02:54:50Z space_otter joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:56:57Z anon_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:57:03Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2017-05-10T02:57:18Z lpaste joined #lisp
2017-05-10T02:58:40Z anonymi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T03:02:02Z anon_ is now known as anonymi
2017-05-10T03:05:50Z Trioxin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:06:11Z Trioxin: how awesome is lispworks and lispworks mobile?
2017-05-10T03:07:54Z doesthiswork joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:08:06Z beach: Trioxin: Probably pretty good, but this is freenode, so discussions about free and open source software are much more prominent.
2017-05-10T03:12:53Z schoppenhauer quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T03:14:10Z schoppenhauer joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:18:09Z rumbler31 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:20:19Z raynold joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:22:38Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T03:24:50Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:30:55Z vlatkoB joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:34:20Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T03:35:20Z moei joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:48:40Z Jesin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T03:56:08Z shifty quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T03:56:28Z orivej quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T03:56:38Z shifty joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:00:47Z brahma quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2017-05-10T04:06:34Z ealfonso joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:13:10Z ealfonso quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T04:16:47Z smoon quit (Quit: smoon)
2017-05-10T04:17:36Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:30:11Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T04:30:20Z diphuser quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T04:33:50Z test1600 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:37:39Z xrash joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:40:26Z test1600 quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T04:41:34Z angavrilov joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:48:15Z sfa joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:51:48Z xrash quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T04:52:06Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:54:41Z xrash joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:55:28Z Bock joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:56:51Z shka joined #lisp
2017-05-10T04:58:44Z brendyn quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:01:52Z mishoo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:02:08Z shifty quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:05:40Z parjanya quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:05:53Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:06:40Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T05:07:24Z rumbler31 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:12:16Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:15:08Z velo-alien quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:18:10Z dec0n joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:18:55Z alexshendi quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:26:47Z Lowl3v3l joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:28:09Z anonymi quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:30:04Z xrash quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:30:46Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:32:39Z xrash joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:33:05Z mathrick quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:34:36Z adolf_stalin quit (Quit: Leaving...)
2017-05-10T05:40:31Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:51:39Z xrash quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T05:52:30Z wheelsucker joined #lisp
2017-05-10T05:56:28Z rk[ghost] quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:56:46Z shka quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2017-05-10T05:57:10Z knobo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:00:03Z scymtym quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T06:02:07Z dec0n quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T06:02:31Z oleo quit (Quit: irc client terminated!)
2017-05-10T06:03:30Z dec0n joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:06:57Z MONODA quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T06:14:59Z jameser_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:15:10Z jameser quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T06:18:39Z shka joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:21:14Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T06:23:37Z mulk__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:24:23Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T06:26:22Z loke joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:42:10Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T06:43:46Z guardianJ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:47:05Z mishoo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:47:35Z shka quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T06:47:37Z neoncontrails quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T06:47:43Z X-Scale quit (Quit:  HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...)
2017-05-10T06:48:27Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:51:39Z neoncontrails joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:51:40Z nowhereman quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T06:51:55Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:53:04Z shdeng joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:54:24Z guardianJ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T06:54:59Z guardianJ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T06:57:46Z Bike quit (Quit: lshgas)
2017-05-10T06:59:14Z guardianJ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T06:59:43Z varjag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:00:13Z guardianJ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:03:40Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T07:04:49Z guardianJ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T07:04:59Z sfa quit (Quit: leaving)
2017-05-10T07:05:03Z guardianJ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:05:45Z quazimodo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:08:13Z mingus quit (Quit: mingus)
2017-05-10T07:11:08Z p_l: Trioxin: a bit pricy for present days, but very interesting
2017-05-10T07:12:12Z guardianJ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T07:12:44Z guardianJ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:13:10Z akkad: Trioxin: ask burtons
2017-05-10T07:13:24Z akkad: he has some lispworks apps in the apple app store
2017-05-10T07:13:31Z mathrick joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:13:34Z guardianJ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T07:14:21Z akkad: for ios/android perhaps lambda native
2017-05-10T07:14:36Z vlatkoB_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:15:01Z akkad: Trioxin: there are benchmarks comparing it to sbcl/allegro
2017-05-10T07:17:11Z shpx joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:17:12Z Dotcra quit (Quit: leaving)
2017-05-10T07:17:42Z akkad: Trioxin: http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/~ober/report.html
2017-05-10T07:18:20Z o1e9 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:18:37Z vlatkoB quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T07:19:52Z rumbler31 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:21:28Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T07:21:53Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:22:36Z holycow joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:24:15Z brendyn joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:24:41Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2017-05-10T07:27:07Z Trioxin2 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:30:13Z Trioxin quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T07:33:01Z Trioxin2 is now known as Trioxin
2017-05-10T07:35:01Z scymtym joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:35:32Z jameser_ quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2017-05-10T07:37:50Z jameser joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:38:51Z jdz: It does not say if it's 32-bit or 64-bit version :/
2017-05-10T07:40:11Z jdz: I'm not looking in the direction of LW until 64-bit version is no longer an "enterprise" feature.
2017-05-10T07:41:38Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T07:42:02Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:44:09Z _cosmonaut_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:47:10Z shka joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:48:29Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T07:48:31Z Trioxin2 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:48:39Z Trioxin quit (Disconnected by services)
2017-05-10T07:48:45Z Trioxin2 is now known as Trioxin
2017-05-10T07:48:52Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:55:32Z Guthur joined #lisp
2017-05-10T07:56:21Z Guthur: hi, I was wondering if the International Lisp Conference still runs, I can't see any reference for 2017
2017-05-10T07:58:46Z jackdaniel knows only for sure, that European Lisp Symposium  runs and has more attendees each year
2017-05-10T08:00:11Z Guthur: @jackdaniel, yeah, I see it has ran this year already
2017-05-10T08:01:05Z defaultxr quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T08:03:31Z rk[ghost] joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:03:48Z orivej joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:03:49Z beach: Guthur: It has not officially been canceled, so it might happen again, but we don't know when.
2017-05-10T08:04:02Z beach: ... ILC that is.
2017-05-10T08:04:30Z beach: I think the last one was in Montreal, maybe 2014?
2017-05-10T08:04:58Z Lowl3v3l quit (Read error: No route to host)
2017-05-10T08:05:39Z beach: One person who was present at ELS (and who shall remain anonymous) seemed to hint that he had information that ILC might happen again soon-ish.
2017-05-10T08:06:39Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T08:06:58Z beach: Guthur: It looks like the main event these days is ELS.  At ILC in Montreal, there were only around 35 participants.  ELS usually has 90 or so nowadays.
2017-05-10T08:08:23Z beach: Guthur: In case you wonder, participation at ELS is in no way restricted to Europeans.  There are regular participants from the Americas and Asia for instance.
2017-05-10T08:09:03Z space_otter quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T08:09:12Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:11:10Z neoncontrails quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T08:11:14Z Guthur: beach: I've attended ELS a couple times, really enjoyed it
2017-05-10T08:11:50Z Guthur: I'm currently residing in Australia and was hoping something a little less arduous on the travel side
2017-05-10T08:12:15Z beach: Ah, I see.
2017-05-10T08:12:24Z beach: I guess I didn't make the connection.
2017-05-10T08:12:29Z beach: Sorry about that.
2017-05-10T08:12:52Z Guthur: oh, no worries, didn't expect you to make any connection, thanks for the info
2017-05-10T08:13:06Z ioa joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:14:14Z Guthur: maybe next I'll be able to leave some space for a trip to ELS
2017-05-10T08:14:26Z ogamita joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:14:42Z beach: The trick is to get someone else to pay.
2017-05-10T08:15:02Z Guthur: ah yeah, I've blown my training budget on other things this year
2017-05-10T08:15:20Z beach: Your employer might contribute if you have a paper.
2017-05-10T08:15:33Z Guthur: I was hoping that if it was reasonable close i might have been able to convince my employer was going for recruitment purposes
2017-05-10T08:15:47Z beach: That might work.
2017-05-10T08:16:03Z beach: A paper is good too.  The company logo will be visible to everyone.
2017-05-10T08:16:30Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T08:16:55Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:17:08Z Guthur: yeah, we've actually sponsored some events, the recent Yow Lambda Jam in Sydney
2017-05-10T08:17:32Z Oladon quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T08:17:41Z beach: Interesting.
2017-05-10T08:22:39Z marusich quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T08:22:42Z fiveop joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:25:00Z gingerale joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:26:01Z Guthur: @beach were you presenting this year at ELS?
2017-05-10T08:26:36Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T08:27:00Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:28:02Z phoe: Guthur: he was
2017-05-10T08:35:25Z beach: Guthur: Yes, two things: fast, portable, maintainable sequence functions, and path replication using local graph rewriting.
2017-05-10T08:36:12Z brahma joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:36:34Z beach: http://metamodular.com/sequence-functions.pdf and http://metamodular.com/path-replication.pdf
2017-05-10T08:36:42Z beach: [might not be latest versions]
2017-05-10T08:37:10Z holycow: hi all
2017-05-10T08:37:21Z beach: Hello holycow.
2017-05-10T08:41:40Z p9s quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T08:42:40Z Trioxin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T08:42:59Z Trioxin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:43:24Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T08:43:47Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:48:17Z Beetny joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:51:08Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T08:53:22Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:54:20Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T08:54:43Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T08:55:38Z rk[ghost] quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T08:56:33Z loke quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T08:59:43Z ebrasca joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:02:27Z ebrasca: is there in cl some neural networks?
2017-05-10T09:03:38Z ogamita: No public library AFAIK.
2017-05-10T09:06:07Z ebrasca: ogamita: Is it hard to make one?
2017-05-10T09:06:14Z shifty joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:06:54Z beach: I am pretty sure there are documented algorithms for it, so it should be "straightforward", but perhaps not easy.
2017-05-10T09:10:03Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T09:10:26Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:10:43Z ogamita: ebrasca: it is not hard to implement neural networks in CL.  It would be hard to make them efficient: you'd want to compile a neural network description into nvidia cuda code…
2017-05-10T09:11:08Z orivej quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T09:11:31Z ogamita: ebrasca: https://developer.nvidia.com/cudnn
2017-05-10T09:13:02Z rumbler31 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:13:39Z ogamita: ebrasca: I would also advise to have a look at https://numenta.com/ HTM technology (some of which is open source).
2017-05-10T09:13:53Z jameser quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2017-05-10T09:15:26Z ebrasca: ogamita: I like free/libre software.
2017-05-10T09:16:00Z ogamita: Theirs is AGPL3, no better.
2017-05-10T09:17:41Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T09:18:38Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T09:18:53Z hhdave joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:19:02Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:21:24Z jameser joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:23:22Z fiveop: beach: would you mind sharing your tex setup for these documents. In particular, I'm interested in how the documentation parts are done.
2017-05-10T09:23:39Z fiveop: -setup+preamble
2017-05-10T09:25:16Z beach: fiveop: It is all in the SICL repository.
2017-05-10T09:26:04Z beach: fiveop: For example, Papers/Rewrite
2017-05-10T09:26:47Z fiveop: thanks
2017-05-10T09:26:54Z beach: Anytime.
2017-05-10T09:33:49Z mejja quit (Quit: \ No newline at end of file)
2017-05-10T09:37:17Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T09:38:10Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T09:38:33Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:41:13Z ttt72 quit (Client Quit)
2017-05-10T09:41:36Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:44:17Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T09:53:41Z yeticry_ quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T09:55:59Z Lowl3v3l joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:00:24Z arbv joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:01:46Z yeticry joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:05:33Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T10:05:58Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:06:27Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T10:09:09Z nacci quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T10:09:15Z nacci joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:09:43Z ebrasca: ogamita: what do you think about http://aima.cs.berkeley.edu/ ?
2017-05-10T10:12:32Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:16:42Z orivej joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:18:29Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T10:25:23Z EvW1 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:25:25Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T10:25:48Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:26:25Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:26:25Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host)
2017-05-10T10:26:25Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:26:57Z scymtym: ebrasca: have you seen https://github.com/melisgl/mgl ?
2017-05-10T10:27:44Z ebrasca: scymtym: I going to read it now.
2017-05-10T10:29:37Z m00natic joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:33:01Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:33:38Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T10:34:01Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:37:10Z hiro1 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:39:59Z pve joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:40:03Z raynold quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2017-05-10T10:40:43Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T10:41:21Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:46:28Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T10:47:30Z jameser quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2017-05-10T10:48:27Z EvW1 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T10:49:12Z jameser joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:49:14Z papachan joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:51:06Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T10:51:29Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T10:52:03Z jameser quit (Client Quit)
2017-05-10T10:54:02Z fiveop quit
2017-05-10T10:55:26Z shdeng quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T10:59:20Z attila_lendvai quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T11:01:08Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T11:01:21Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T11:02:10Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:03:19Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:03:22Z peterhil joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:06:22Z fourier joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:07:29Z parjanya joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:09:09Z _paul0 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:09:53Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T11:11:40Z ttt72 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T11:12:32Z __paul0 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T11:13:22Z papachan quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T11:13:32Z papachan joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:26:11Z minion quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T11:26:11Z specbot quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T11:29:20Z minion joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:29:59Z specbot joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:30:09Z easye quit (Read error: No route to host)
2017-05-10T11:34:56Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T11:35:46Z vh0st- joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:36:55Z vhost- quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T11:47:41Z jameser joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:47:59Z Khisanth joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:49:10Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:52:02Z EvW joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:53:51Z brahma quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2017-05-10T11:55:39Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:56:57Z ssake quit (Quit: leaving)
2017-05-10T11:57:22Z ssake joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:57:59Z mulk__ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T11:58:10Z mulk__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T11:59:18Z nowhereman joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:03:37Z mulk__ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:08:38Z Beetny quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:09:19Z phoe: I am tempted to implement https://github.com/jljusten/LZMA-SDK/blob/master/DOC/lzma-specification.txt in portable Common Lisp.
2017-05-10T12:10:05Z phoe: At least the decoder.
2017-05-10T12:11:56Z rashmirathi quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T12:12:26Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:15:33Z ogamita: Go ahead!
2017-05-10T12:16:29Z fourier quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:16:35Z scymtym_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:16:35Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:19:27Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:26:53Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:27:46Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:30:16Z AntiSpamMeta quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T12:30:29Z AntiSpamMeta joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:31:08Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:32:55Z TCZ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:35:12Z scymtym__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:36:08Z scymtym_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:39:17Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:40:27Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:40:42Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:41:07Z mulk__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:41:07Z rashmira_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:41:37Z TCZ quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T12:42:23Z emacsomancer quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:44:53Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:44:59Z rashmir__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:45:24Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:45:37Z rashmira_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:45:39Z TDT joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:46:24Z mulk_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:46:28Z mulk__ quit (Read error: No route to host)
2017-05-10T12:48:17Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:49:17Z rashmir__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:51:56Z mulk_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:53:14Z bigos_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:55:48Z _cosmonaut_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T12:56:00Z payphone joined #lisp
2017-05-10T12:57:57Z jameser quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2017-05-10T13:01:02Z dcluna joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:01:10Z peterhil quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:02:44Z rashmira_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:03:00Z peterhil joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:04:47Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:04:48Z hiro1 quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2)
2017-05-10T13:06:55Z quazimodo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:07:16Z rumbler31 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:07:44Z wheelsucker quit (Quit: Client Quit)
2017-05-10T13:08:35Z specbot quit (Disconnected by services)
2017-05-10T13:08:38Z peterhil quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:08:39Z specbot joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:10:41Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:13:46Z bigos_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T13:15:58Z `micro quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:16:56Z fourier joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:17:58Z dschoepe quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:19:10Z hjudt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:19:18Z _cosmonaut_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:20:59Z dschoepe joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:21:26Z hjudt joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:22:35Z axwin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:23:38Z `micro joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:23:53Z loke joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:24:02Z `micro is now known as Guest17895
2017-05-10T13:28:48Z papachan quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:36:35Z ogamita quit (Read error: No route to host)
2017-05-10T13:36:44Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T13:36:56Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:38:09Z axwin quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T13:39:37Z prole joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:39:41Z ogamita joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:39:45Z Guthur quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T13:39:54Z ttt72 quit (Client Quit)
2017-05-10T13:40:17Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:43:07Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:44:32Z LiamH joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:44:34Z rashmira_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:47:46Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2017-05-10T13:48:13Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T13:56:15Z cromachina quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T13:57:28Z shifty quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T14:00:00Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T14:00:27Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:06:22Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:06:47Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T14:07:10Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:10:39Z dec0n quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T14:10:50Z stardiviner quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T14:11:51Z mishoo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:12:22Z phoe: ogamita: header decoded. Now, on to the decompression proper...
2017-05-10T14:17:49Z ogamita: Well specified protocols are always a pleasure to implement.
2017-05-10T14:18:12Z ogamita: Don't forget to use a fuzzer and to test it against multiple other implementations.
2017-05-10T14:19:14Z oleo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:20:24Z Bike joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:21:39Z phoe: What is the most lispy way to generate #xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF (64 bits of all 1s), instead of writing it as a literal?
2017-05-10T14:22:12Z Xach: phoe: so many ways
2017-05-10T14:22:30Z phoe: Xach: I need a short and readable one
2017-05-10T14:22:38Z phoe: because I want to avoid counting the Fs
2017-05-10T14:22:42Z Xach: phoe: (1- (ash 1 64)) (1- (expt 2 64)) (ldb (byte 64 0) -1)
2017-05-10T14:23:10Z Xach: -1 is a fountain of 1s
2017-05-10T14:23:10Z phoe: Xach: I will take LDB, thank you
2017-05-10T14:23:15Z bigos_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:23:17Z phoe: yes, I know - thanks
2017-05-10T14:23:27Z papachan joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:23:47Z jdz: phoe: in emacs: #x C-u C-u F
2017-05-10T14:23:52Z ogamita: I would use: #.(1- (expt 2 64)) since it's the clearer form.
2017-05-10T14:23:53Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:24:11Z jdz: I'd still use literal #xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
2017-05-10T14:24:25Z azzamsa joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:24:33Z phoe: I have started a very dangerous discussion
2017-05-10T14:24:40Z ogamita: Well, reader would have to count the Fs, and it may change. #.(- (expt 2 +word-size+) 1)
2017-05-10T14:24:51Z _death: I'd use #36R3W5E11264SGSF
2017-05-10T14:24:55Z _death: :D
2017-05-10T14:24:58Z ogamita: :-)
2017-05-10T14:25:02Z phoe: _death: well, uh
2017-05-10T14:25:11Z rumbler3_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:25:20Z jdz: Everybody should know that number by heart!
2017-05-10T14:26:07Z ogamita: Indeed, 18446744073709551615 would be as good as the formula, if you're dead set on 64 bits.
2017-05-10T14:26:59Z _death: the LDB one is ok
2017-05-10T14:27:06Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T14:27:29Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:28:23Z doesthiswork quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2017-05-10T14:29:55Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T14:29:59Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T14:32:39Z azzamsa quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T14:34:51Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T14:37:27Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:38:40Z FakePedro joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:39:44Z dcluna quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
2017-05-10T14:41:11Z dcluna joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:43:43Z warweasle joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:47:32Z FakePedro quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T14:50:17Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T14:50:40Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:51:24Z rippa joined #lisp
2017-05-10T14:57:26Z deank quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:01:35Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T15:01:48Z al-damiri joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:01:59Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:03:42Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:06:25Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:06:57Z _cosmonaut_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:08:46Z shpx quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:15:07Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T15:15:30Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:20:51Z pedrojuangarcia joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:21:42Z knobo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:24:27Z _death: Babylonians would have trouble with Common Lisp (despite the existence of Babel) base upto 36 is too limited
2017-05-10T15:26:15Z rumbler3_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:26:46Z pedrojuangarcia: Hi! I'm learning networking and need to craft an ARP packet. Having trouble doing it in C with libnet and wanting to learn CL, is there a way to do it?
2017-05-10T15:27:19Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:27:46Z EvW joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:27:54Z ogamita: pedrojuangarcia: you can craft a representation of an ARP packet indeed.
2017-05-10T15:29:32Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T15:29:34Z _death: may be interested in http://lukego.livejournal.com/4993.html
2017-05-10T15:29:54Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:30:35Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:32:29Z teggi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:33:34Z knobo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:34:57Z vlnx quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:35:16Z jack_rabbit quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:36:37Z ogamita: pedrojuangarcia: well, first you would have to find how to do it in C, then translate it to CL…q
2017-05-10T15:37:03Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:37:07Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T15:37:31Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:37:36Z ogamita: normally, you would pass the ARP protocol to socket(2), creating a raw socket.
2017-05-10T15:38:14Z ogamita: If CL API such as usocket or sbcl don't convert :raw into the right SOCK_RAW option then you will have to patch them.
2017-05-10T15:40:08Z _death: the slitch/netlib systems can be found in the sharplispers github page.. they use tun/tap
2017-05-10T15:40:25Z ttt72 quit (Client Quit)
2017-05-10T15:41:29Z _death: raw sockets wouldn't work because ARP is at the level of the link layer
2017-05-10T15:44:07Z edgar-rft quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:44:12Z vlnx joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:44:27Z _death: guess an AF_PACKET socket could work
2017-05-10T15:46:17Z o1e9 quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
2017-05-10T15:47:50Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:47:57Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:49:30Z X-Scale joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:49:33Z milanj joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:52:02Z eazar001 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:52:27Z slyrus_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:52:27Z nowhereman quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:52:57Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T15:53:37Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:54:42Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:57:35Z EvW1 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T15:58:23Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:00:56Z scymtym joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:02:23Z scymtym__ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:08:24Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:09:04Z ogamita quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:10:56Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:12:57Z ARM9 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:13:25Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:15:44Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:19:00Z phoe: Xach: FYI: I have started working on a LZMA decompressor written in portable Common Lisp.
2017-05-10T16:19:02Z pedrojuangarcia: _death: thanks! i'll watch it! :)
2017-05-10T16:22:54Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T16:23:05Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:25:13Z l04m33 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:25:29Z MrBusiness: Any particular LISP interpreters that are better optimized for making games than others?
2017-05-10T16:26:30Z jackdaniel: MrBusiness: Common Lisp implementations are compilers, not interpreters
2017-05-10T16:26:51Z l04m33 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:27:04Z jackdaniel: you have even access to COMPILE function at runtime
2017-05-10T16:27:05Z ARM9: at least the popular ones
2017-05-10T16:27:11Z rumbler3_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:27:23Z jackdaniel: regarding making games, I'd advise you joining #lispgames
2017-05-10T16:27:37Z jackdaniel: ARM9: do you know CL implementation being interpreter?
2017-05-10T16:27:41Z orivej_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:27:52Z orivej quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:27:52Z _death: if you want to embed Lisp, ECL is a good choice.. if you want a fast one, SBCL works
2017-05-10T16:27:53Z beach: MrBusiness: And, while we are at it, don't confuse "compilation" with "generating an executable file".  They are two orthogonal concepts.
2017-05-10T16:27:57Z EvW1 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:28:00Z ARM9: not standards compliant ones, no
2017-05-10T16:28:15Z glamas joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:28:32Z MrBusiness: My apologies
2017-05-10T16:28:36Z MrBusiness: that was an attrocious typo
2017-05-10T16:29:10Z oleksiyp quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T16:29:15Z FreeBirdLjj quit
2017-05-10T16:29:25Z loke: jackdaniel: CLISP is kinda/sorta an interpreter?
2017-05-10T16:29:36Z loke: It interprets bytecode.
2017-05-10T16:29:54Z jackdaniel: loke: no, it has its own VM, I don't think it's the same thing. also it has JIT (via GNU lightning)
2017-05-10T16:30:10Z jackdaniel: it compiles to bytecode
2017-05-10T16:30:18Z jackdaniel: (and native via the mentioned library)
2017-05-10T16:30:43Z loke: jackdaniel: Yeah. But with a very strict definition of "interpreter", I'd argue that there are precious few such implementaitons of any language.
2017-05-10T16:30:47Z loke: Shellscript perhaps..
2017-05-10T16:31:03Z glamas quit (Client Quit)
2017-05-10T16:31:22Z loke: I think a lot (most?) of people define interpreter to be the opposite of "compilation to native code".
2017-05-10T16:31:29Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:31:33Z loke: I'm not saying they're right, but that's the tendency.
2017-05-10T16:31:34Z _death: I'd say compiler is a subtype of interpreter.. :)
2017-05-10T16:31:40Z jackdaniel: no, interpreting is "eval" in CL
2017-05-10T16:33:37Z jackdaniel: interpretation is merely an execution of human-readable form of a program (that's at least my understanding)
2017-05-10T16:34:11Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:34:16Z phoe: keep in mind, through, that some implementations have no interpreter by default - everything is compiled before evaluation.
2017-05-10T16:34:17Z jackdaniel: "human-readable form", it doesn't have to be that readable :)
2017-05-10T16:34:21Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:34:36Z loke: jackdaniel: I don't disagree with you. But it's just that such strict definition of the term makes it almost useless.
2017-05-10T16:34:59Z jackdaniel: I don't think so, interpreters are really good as scripting languages, and very easy to write
2017-05-10T16:35:18Z jackdaniel: (given that you need some small functionality)
2017-05-10T16:35:48Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:36:00Z jackdaniel: that is, word "interpreter" describes quite broad class of computer programs used in practice
2017-05-10T16:37:08Z jackdaniel: MrBusiness: I'd join #lispgames in your place, there is more game-oriented crowd (and not only CL programmers, but also Scheme, Racket and others I think)
2017-05-10T16:37:32Z loke: jackdaniel: problem is that with your definition, most (all?) BASIC implementations on the 8-bit micros would not be interpreters. Making that claim would make a lot of people very confused. As I said, I understand your point, but I just feel that it's not compatible with common vernacular.
2017-05-10T16:37:47Z beach: jackdaniel: It is not quite that clear.  Most people agree that nearly every language processor does *some* compilation and *some* interpretation.
2017-05-10T16:38:19Z MrBusiness: I have joined. Thank you for the suggestion. Again, apologies for the compiler/interpreter bit. Obviously, LISP can become anything one wants it to be with the correct technology.
2017-05-10T16:38:21Z beach: jackdaniel: You can view READ as a compiler from text to syntax trees.
2017-05-10T16:38:29Z hhdave quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:38:40Z beach: MrBusiness: And, we write it "Lisp" these days.
2017-05-10T16:38:44Z slyrus_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:40:09Z MrBusiness: Noted.
2017-05-10T16:40:18Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:40:20Z beach: jackdaniel: Even some processors do, in fact, interpret the native instruction set.  The interpreter is executed by an even lower-level and simpler machine.
2017-05-10T16:40:31Z jackdaniel: loke: OK, I see your point
2017-05-10T16:40:34Z slyrus_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:40:52Z pjb joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:41:19Z jackdaniel: beach: I agree, that execution is a form of interpretation, but word "interpreter" (imho), means, that it doesn't compile
2017-05-10T16:42:20Z _death: interpreter is Input -> Action.. the compiler's action is to emit code
2017-05-10T16:42:23Z beach: But, as loke pointed out, there are (almost) no systems like that.
2017-05-10T16:42:24Z jackdaniel: but fact, that something has module responsible for interpretation doesn't make it interpreter by this definition. but right, it's a matter of terminology
2017-05-10T16:42:40Z neoncontrails joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:42:41Z dlowe: I think the process of interpretation and compilation is well defined, and that computation often involves both.
2017-05-10T16:42:56Z dlowe: an interpreter is one in which the interpretation process dominates
2017-05-10T16:43:18Z loke: dlowe: That's a good definition.
2017-05-10T16:43:26Z dlowe: whether or not it dominates is left as a fuzzy boundary for the reader to argue about
2017-05-10T16:43:46Z loke: dlowe: Better than a definition that argues that there is nothing except for itnerpretation.
2017-05-10T16:44:22Z jackdaniel: as last remark from me - you have mentioned that there is always "some compilation and some interpretation" -agreed, but if compilation is just dummy transformation, while interpretation takes 99% of code/ time, then it's *more* interpreter than compiler, like a drop of water doesn't make can of milk "water"
2017-05-10T16:44:54Z jackdaniel: yeah, I think that dlowe's definition fits best my understanding too
2017-05-10T16:45:19Z beach: I think we just reached an agreement.  Wow!  Celebration is in order!
2017-05-10T16:45:42Z jackdaniel: heh
2017-05-10T16:45:50Z loke beer beach
2017-05-10T16:46:00Z loke kazoo Jach[m] 
2017-05-10T16:46:05Z loke: I mean jacd
2017-05-10T16:46:07Z loke: jackdaniel:
2017-05-10T16:46:13Z jackdaniel: ^_^
2017-05-10T16:46:14Z beach: Champagne, even!
2017-05-10T16:47:05Z neoncontrails quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T16:47:06Z beach: MrBusiness: Don't worry.  Sometimes these debates are a sign of a healthy community.  And the #lisp participants are very smart people, so they can usually understand the arguments of other participants.
2017-05-10T16:47:47Z MrBusiness: Yes. I understand.
2017-05-10T16:49:23Z nowhereman joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:49:55Z MrBusiness: I ultimately just view programming languages of all sorts as ultimately being prefix, infix, or postfix, usually of the infix variety.
2017-05-10T16:50:24Z MrBusiness: Yes, there is a lot more to it, but that model somehow works best in my mind.
2017-05-10T16:50:28Z loke: MrBusiness: that's just looking at the syntax. Syntax tends to be very superficial, and the true difference in languages lie slightly deeper.
2017-05-10T16:50:42Z MrBusiness: Yes, the semantics are where the differences come in.
2017-05-10T16:51:24Z loke: There's a huge difference between a pure functional language and declarative markup language (to take two extremes) even if the syntax is very similar.
2017-05-10T16:51:35Z MrBusiness: No doubt about it.
2017-05-10T16:51:39Z _death: MrBusiness: I would call the infix ones mixfix :)
2017-05-10T16:51:50Z shpx joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:51:51Z shpx quit (Changing host)
2017-05-10T16:51:51Z shpx joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:51:54Z loke: _death: I'd call them misfits, but whatever :-)
2017-05-10T16:51:58Z MrBusiness: Interesting choice of words.
2017-05-10T16:52:13Z _death: since they usually use prefix for calling functions.. like foo(1, 2);
2017-05-10T16:52:39Z MrBusiness: indeed
2017-05-10T16:53:07Z loke: _death: how would you classify APL?
2017-05-10T16:53:17Z _death: loke: keyboard-dependent programming
2017-05-10T16:53:19Z MrBusiness: Ah, APL.
2017-05-10T16:53:40Z loke: _death: But infix or prefix?
2017-05-10T16:54:02Z _death: loke: I have too little knowledge of it (or J/K/...) to tell
2017-05-10T16:54:25Z pilne joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:54:30Z MrBusiness: well, it's monadic and dyadic if memory serves, so I guess it's like doing The Rick dance.
2017-05-10T16:55:06Z vh0st- is now known as vhost-
2017-05-10T16:55:51Z loke: _death: It was a bit of a trick question... :-)
2017-05-10T16:56:16Z _death: loke: that's ok, I provided a trick answer ;)
2017-05-10T16:56:16Z shrdlu68 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T16:56:24Z loke: In APL all functions take one or two arguments, sometimes both.
2017-05-10T16:56:45Z loke: A function that takes one argulemt accepts it on the right. If it accepts two arguments, it takes them on each side
2017-05-10T16:56:56Z shrdlu68: 'Evening, #lisp
2017-05-10T16:57:16Z loke: FOO X calls FOO with one argument, X. While X FOO Y calls the function FOO with two arguments, X and Y.
2017-05-10T16:57:18Z _death: loke: I see.. so what happens when a function accepts either
2017-05-10T16:57:36Z _death: loke: does it depend on the context then
2017-05-10T16:57:53Z loke: _death: Well, if so, then its left argument with be undefined in the function body, so the code will have to check for that.
2017-05-10T16:58:00Z loke: _death: Inded.
2017-05-10T16:58:20Z _death: I see
2017-05-10T16:59:07Z loke: It's funny, because the sequence FOO BAR X could be anything. If FOO and BAR are functions, it means call FOO with the result of BAR X. If fOO is a variable, it means call BAR with two arguments :-)
2017-05-10T16:59:10Z defaultxr joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:00:28Z loke: Also remember that built-in functions are single character, which is why you end up with nice things such as: 8⎕CR +\⌽⍳10
2017-05-10T17:00:40Z slyrus_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:00:54Z _death: I guess it's an issue similar to infix->precedence-order then
2017-05-10T17:01:04Z _death: resolved by a convention
2017-05-10T17:01:11Z loke: _death: Yes. But predecence is always right-to-left
2017-05-10T17:02:33Z loke: _death: Anyway. APL was the language I thought of that would hopefully be difficult to classify for you :-)
2017-05-10T17:02:38Z _death: in my first job I had someone who had a fortran/apl/forth past.. he gave me Thinking Forth to read and talked about APL and J.. interesting times
2017-05-10T17:03:19Z warweasle quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.4.1)
2017-05-10T17:03:22Z _death: I also began to learn Lisp back then.. that's why he talked about languages
2017-05-10T17:03:33Z loke: _death: I implemented the Emacs mode for GNU APL, and I did that because I wanted to learn APL but I refused to use it without a good Emacs mode. So I implemented something that ended up being similar to SLIME.
2017-05-10T17:04:11Z _death: :)
2017-05-10T17:04:48Z _death: so you learned APL without the specialized keyboard?
2017-05-10T17:04:50Z remi`bd joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:04:57Z loke: _death: you should try it. I needs myselfs more users! :-)
2017-05-10T17:05:16Z loke: _death: Of course. There is only a limited number of special symbols used, and you learn very wichly where they are.
2017-05-10T17:05:19Z rashmirathi quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T17:05:40Z loke: _death: also, in my mode, you press C-c C-k and a buffer will open up displaying the keymap so you have something to reference.
2017-05-10T17:05:46Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:06:04Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:07:09Z _death: perhaps I'll try it sometime :)
2017-05-10T17:08:53Z _death: wrote my latest 1-month project in C.. too little Lisp, but had some CL snippets written since
2017-05-10T17:09:05Z akkad: is it possible to save-lisp-and-die with all of the QL dependencies in the image?
2017-05-10T17:09:08Z ttt72 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:09:20Z loke: akkad: yes. of course.
2017-05-10T17:09:39Z loke: you QL everything you need, and set up whatever you wat (except starting threads) and the save-lisp-and-die.
2017-05-10T17:10:28Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:10:39Z akkad: hmm.. still end up with it trying to read out of ~/.cache/
2017-05-10T17:11:06Z _death: foreign libraries?
2017-05-10T17:11:21Z akkad: will check
2017-05-10T17:11:32Z FreeBirdLjj quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T17:12:07Z FreeBirdLjj joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:12:09Z akkad: ahh libosicat.so
2017-05-10T17:12:52Z akkad: need to find a way to deliver that with the image
2017-05-10T17:13:39Z loke quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T17:14:22Z velo-alien joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:14:50Z pjb quit (Quit: Be right back.)
2017-05-10T17:15:20Z pjb joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:15:58Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:16:17Z FreeBirdLjj quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:17:29Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:17:46Z ttt72 quit (Quit: ttt72)
2017-05-10T17:18:55Z DeadTrickster joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:23:10Z eazar001 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:28:25Z m00natic quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T17:28:30Z neoncontrails joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:32:47Z drcode joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:32:51Z drcode quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T17:36:13Z teggi quit (Quit: Leaving...)
2017-05-10T17:37:57Z aptenodyte joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:38:34Z eazar001 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:38:58Z strykerkkd joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:39:26Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:39:40Z velo-alien quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:40:32Z matthewtm joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:41:29Z prole quit (Quit: b)
2017-05-10T17:41:38Z bigos_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:42:32Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:43:17Z shpx_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:44:04Z aptenodyte quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:44:12Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:45:28Z LONGMAN joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:46:09Z LONGMAN quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T17:46:23Z shpx quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T17:47:02Z matthewtm quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T17:52:47Z drcode joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:53:16Z azrazalea quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.2+deb2~bpo8+1 - http://znc.in)
2017-05-10T17:53:37Z shka_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:56:43Z Cthulhux quit (Changing host)
2017-05-10T17:56:43Z Cthulhux joined #lisp
2017-05-10T17:56:44Z azrazalea joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:05:47Z slyrus_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:13:28Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T18:15:21Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:15:58Z slyrus_ quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T18:17:49Z pedrojuangarcia quit (Quit: leaving)
2017-05-10T18:18:26Z drcode quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in)
2017-05-10T18:20:24Z drcode joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:21:17Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:22:13Z Bock quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T18:25:28Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T18:28:38Z rumbler3_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:32:32Z dilated_dinosaur quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T18:32:49Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T18:33:20Z pierpa joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:39:08Z stardiviner quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T18:39:49Z slyrus__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:41:50Z milanj quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2017-05-10T18:42:58Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T18:44:51Z python476 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:48:32Z pratch joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:48:34Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:48:42Z edgar-rft joined #lisp
2017-05-10T18:51:32Z sacculina quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
2017-05-10T18:56:24Z ioa quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:01:07Z stardiviner joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:01:44Z slyrus__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:02:37Z slyrus_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:03:58Z BlueRavenGT quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T19:04:17Z BlueRavenGT joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:05:30Z knobo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:07:23Z shrdlu68 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T19:11:08Z strykerkkd quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T19:11:38Z shrdlu68 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:15:17Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:23:04Z papachan quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:23:48Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:26:01Z python476 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T19:27:04Z python476 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:27:20Z deank joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:28:33Z scymtym_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:28:35Z diphuser joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:29:19Z rumbler3_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:33:01Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:33:43Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:33:44Z scymtym_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:38:15Z EvW joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:39:15Z papachan joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:40:47Z anonymi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:41:03Z python47` joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:43:33Z python476 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:47:24Z attila_lendvai joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:50:36Z phoe: akkad: ASDF3 has an option to statically link dependencies
2017-05-10T19:50:46Z phoe: poke Fare for the details, but it was presented at the ELS '17
2017-05-10T19:52:17Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:53:57Z eschatologist quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T19:54:15Z rippa quit (Quit: {#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER)
2017-05-10T19:58:49Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T19:59:45Z ioa joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:04:07Z velo-alien joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:05:51Z Ven joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:05:52Z shpx_ quit (Quit: leaving)
2017-05-10T20:06:14Z Ven is now known as Guest53690
2017-05-10T20:09:30Z vlatkoB_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T20:12:04Z mrcom__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:12:42Z mrcom_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T20:16:34Z yrk quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:20:47Z Guthur joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:21:13Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:21:20Z ym quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:23:00Z quazimodo joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:23:20Z ioa left #lisp
2017-05-10T20:23:44Z Trioxin2 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:25:56Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:27:35Z diphuser quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:27:37Z Trioxin quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:28:18Z scymtym joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:28:43Z quazimodo quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:35:56Z dmiles quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-05-10T20:36:38Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:36:52Z dmiles joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:37:05Z ebrasca quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:41:12Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:41:38Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T20:43:35Z orivej_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:45:57Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T20:48:10Z sellout- quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2017-05-10T20:53:53Z remi`bd quit (Quit: leaving)
2017-05-10T20:59:35Z Guest53690 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:00:10Z Ven joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:00:35Z Ven is now known as Guest11399
2017-05-10T21:02:26Z angavrilov quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T21:04:35Z prxq joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:07:49Z milanj joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:09:53Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:11:04Z mazoe joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:18:08Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:19:23Z sellout- joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:23:45Z trocado joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:28:24Z orivej joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:28:33Z varjag quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:28:39Z milanj quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2017-05-10T21:29:56Z knobo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:30:38Z rumbler3_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:31:06Z gingerale quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T21:32:00Z Guest11399 quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:34:11Z anonymi quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T21:34:11Z Ven_ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:35:10Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:36:34Z foom quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:36:42Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:37:02Z anonymi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:37:18Z DeadTrickster quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:38:55Z Ven_ quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:39:43Z borodust: dear lisp gurus, are there any libs/tools/existingcode that would allow me to wrap existing array into stream? flexi-streams and fast-io can't w/o hacking them a bit
2017-05-10T21:40:14Z flip214: babel does things like this - converting bytes to characters and back
2017-05-10T21:40:31Z borodust: implementing it with trivial-gray-streams would work, but i don't think i'm the first who thinks of that
2017-05-10T21:41:05Z rashmirathi quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:41:38Z shrdlu68: borodust: Why doesn't fast-io suffice?
2017-05-10T21:41:58Z borodust: shrdlu68: no way to provide existing array as a backing buffer
2017-05-10T21:43:03Z borodust: probably easy to hack support for this in, but i want to be sure i'm not spreading NIH
2017-05-10T21:43:25Z foom joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:43:33Z shrdlu68: borodust: Not sure I understand, there's fast-io:make-input-buffer, which takes a vector.
2017-05-10T21:43:43Z borodust: ah, sorry, i didn't mention
2017-05-10T21:43:46Z borodust: i need output stram
2017-05-10T21:43:49Z borodust: *stream
2017-05-10T21:44:41Z shrdlu68: borodust: fast-io:with-fast-input ?
2017-05-10T21:44:56Z borodust: output-stream :)
2017-05-10T21:45:02Z Lowl3v3l quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2017-05-10T21:45:18Z borodust: actually
2017-05-10T21:45:20Z borodust: hold on
2017-05-10T21:45:27Z shrdlu68: borodust: fast-io:with-fast-output ?
2017-05-10T21:45:34Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:46:19Z shrdlu68: fast-io:make-output-buffer ?
2017-05-10T21:46:20Z daemoz quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T21:46:30Z borodust: well, buffer is not a stream though
2017-05-10T21:46:39Z daemoz joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:46:48Z pve quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T21:46:54Z borodust: i probably can't write into it with write-sequence
2017-05-10T21:47:52Z borodust: nah, seems like i can't
2017-05-10T21:48:12Z shrdlu68: "However, fast-io provides a small wrapper using trivial-gray-streams, and supports {WRITE,READ}-SEQUENCE"
2017-05-10T21:48:41Z borodust: shrdlu68: that's about fast-io:fast-output(input)-stream
2017-05-10T21:48:59Z borodust: but constructor won't allow to pass custom array in
2017-05-10T21:49:33Z borodust: shrdlu68: i did my homework by looking int flexi-streams, fast-io and ultimately into trivial-gray-streams)
2017-05-10T21:49:58Z borodust: i thought there might be something else i'm missing
2017-05-10T21:50:25Z shrdlu68: Yeah, sounds like you need trivial-gray-streams.
2017-05-10T21:51:06Z borodust: :/
2017-05-10T21:51:30Z shrdlu68: It's trivial to extend it to do what you want.
2017-05-10T21:51:33Z Karl_Dscc joined #lisp
2017-05-10T21:52:08Z borodust: yeah, it's just hard to believe no one else had the same idea/requirement
2017-05-10T21:52:21Z borodust: *and implemented it already
2017-05-10T21:54:18Z mazoe quit (Quit: mazoe)
2017-05-10T21:55:58Z eazar001 quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)
2017-05-10T21:59:46Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:01:40Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:01:48Z ARM7 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:02:49Z borodust: alright, time to some NIH heat :)
2017-05-10T22:02:57Z borodust: tnx for the insights anyway!
2017-05-10T22:03:13Z borodust: s/to/for/
2017-05-10T22:03:52Z daniel-s joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:04:31Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:04:53Z ARM9 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:08:24Z shrdlu68: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2/ Yummy!
2017-05-10T22:08:48Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:09:18Z shrdlu68 acquires a new toy
2017-05-10T22:09:23Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:10:40Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:11:14Z anonymi quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T22:12:08Z l04m33 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:12:46Z l04m33 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:14:06Z shrdlu68: Has anyone used ACL2 to write unit tests?
2017-05-10T22:16:10Z python47` quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:20:41Z Guthur quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:22:40Z prxq: shrdlu68: heh
2017-05-10T22:25:52Z prxq quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T22:26:58Z Karl_Dscc quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T22:28:30Z neoncontrails quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T22:30:43Z EvW quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:31:03Z Harag1 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:31:08Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:31:09Z Harag1 is now known as Harag
2017-05-10T22:31:38Z Trioxin2 is now known as Trioxin
2017-05-10T22:35:45Z LiamH quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2017-05-10T22:35:46Z phinxy joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:38:48Z neoncontrails joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:41:41Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:42:31Z anonymi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:46:43Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T22:47:12Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:51:44Z adolf_stalin joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:51:49Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T22:54:31Z enzuru joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:01:40Z rumbler31 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:04:35Z fourier quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T23:04:40Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T23:07:55Z anonymi quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T23:13:47Z Trystam joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:16:05Z Tristam quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-05-10T23:17:55Z Trystam is now known as Tristam
2017-05-10T23:17:57Z sellout- quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2017-05-10T23:24:30Z sword quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-05-10T23:25:28Z Kaisyu joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:25:41Z sword joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:28:37Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:31:25Z anonymi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:32:11Z cromachina joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:33:23Z ski quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T23:33:29Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2017-05-10T23:37:22Z ski joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:37:24Z passive23 joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:37:24Z g0d355__ joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:39:26Z anonymi quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T23:42:51Z rk[ghost] joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:44:35Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:46:06Z ealfonso` joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:49:02Z vagrant` joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:51:47Z brahma joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:53:12Z Harag quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-05-10T23:53:43Z phinxy quit (Quit: Leaving)
2017-05-10T23:56:29Z Harag joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:57:46Z vagrant`: is there a read-line with timeout?
2017-05-10T23:57:48Z rashmirathi joined #lisp
2017-05-10T23:58:25Z Bike: don't think so. you can use LISTEN to see if there's text to read
2017-05-10T23:58:57Z ealfonso`: the thing is that, (listen stream) returns T, yet (read-line stream ...) blocks...
2017-05-10T23:59:17Z Bike: maybe there's not a complete line?
2017-05-10T23:59:38Z ealfonso`: I'm using :eof (read-line stream nil :eof)