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2016-09-11T00:11:52Z raydeejay: myrkraverk: I just quickloaded jsown: "http://beta.quicklisp.org/archive/jsown/2016-02-08/jsown-20160208-git.tgz"
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2016-09-11T00:12:23Z egnogg: https://chriskohlhepp.wordpress.com/embedding-lisp-in-cplusplus-a-recipe/ < I'm following along with this tutorial
2016-09-11T00:12:33Z egnogg: and everything but inline C++ works
2016-09-11T00:13:38Z egnogg: I think it's just a setting somewhere in the ECL compiler I need to change - when I attempt to COMPILE-FILE the file containing the FFIs, even though RUN-PROGRAM calls "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++", the file generated is a .c file rather than .cc
2016-09-11T00:13:41Z egnogg: (for c++)
2016-09-11T00:13:52Z egnogg: does anyone in here know their way around the ECL compiler?
2016-09-11T00:14:03Z fiddlerwoaroof: jackdaniel is the maintainer
2016-09-11T00:14:54Z myrkraverk: Hmm, maybe I need to "update" my quicklisp -- but I don't know how yet.
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2016-09-11T00:15:52Z myrkraverk: egnogg: I haven't used it -- but I used to have around a link to a lisp implementation in C++ templates.
2016-09-11T00:16:17Z myrkraverk: Weird syntax, but still somewhat lispy.
2016-09-11T00:16:25Z egnogg: hmmm
2016-09-11T00:16:38Z egnogg: I got around the previous error just fine by fixing my C++ code.
2016-09-11T00:16:52Z egnogg: But now I can't LOAD the file into the interpreter?
2016-09-11T00:17:15Z egnogg: "the special form CLINES cannot be used in the interpreter: (#include <sstream>)
2016-09-11T00:17:16Z egnogg: "
2016-09-11T00:18:59Z egnogg: got it.
2016-09-11T00:19:42Z egnogg: my experience with SBCL caused me to (compile-file "/tmp/lisp-hack.lisp") (load "/tmp/lisp-hack.lisp") rather than (compile-file..) (load "/tmp/lisp-hack")
2016-09-11T00:20:02Z egnogg: which works fine, and is actually written down exactly like that in the tutorial
2016-09-11T00:20:03Z egnogg: my bad
2016-09-11T00:20:08Z egnogg: thanks for rubber ducking lispers
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2016-09-11T00:20:17Z myrkraverk: egnogg: no problem.
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2016-09-11T02:53:57Z jasom: myrkraverk: jsown-20160208 is what I see; you need to update your quicklisp dist
2016-09-11T02:54:13Z myrkraverk: Yeah, I noticed.
2016-09-11T02:54:13Z jasom: (ql:update-dist "quicklisp")
2016-09-11T02:54:20Z myrkraverk: Ah.
2016-09-11T02:56:08Z jasom: myrkraverk: you may want to update your client at some point.
2016-09-11T02:56:22Z myrkraverk: I'm running that now.
2016-09-11T02:56:39Z myrkraverk: You mean re-download quicklisp itself?
2016-09-11T02:57:37Z jasom: myrkraverk: no it's a different function... let me look it up
2016-09-11T02:58:25Z raydeejay: update-client
2016-09-11T02:58:59Z jasom: yup
2016-09-11T02:59:29Z raydeejay: um
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2016-09-11T03:00:44Z raydeejay: why "quicklisp"?
2016-09-11T03:01:44Z jasom: raydeejay: for update-dist?
2016-09-11T03:01:58Z raydeejay: or rather, are there any other public dist(tributions?)?
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2016-09-11T03:02:33Z raydeejay: jasom: yes, for update-dist
2016-09-11T03:02:35Z jasom: raydeejay: quicklisp is two projects in one: A tool for managing a group of lisp libraries, and the libraries themselves
2016-09-11T03:03:17Z jasom: raydeejay: I don't know if there are other public ones, but I think theres at least one person using it to manage their libraries locally and pinning versions
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2016-09-11T03:17:59Z beach: Good morning everyone!
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2016-09-11T03:41:27Z beach: Hello loke`.
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2016-09-11T04:22:55Z myrkraverk: In SBCL, is it possible to "read" or access memory allocated with sb-alien:make-alien into lisp?
2016-09-11T04:23:56Z myrkraverk: (on other news, the manual about the posix extension seems somewhat out of sync with reality)
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2016-09-11T04:33:02Z myrkraverk: Or, in other words, an actual working example of sb-posix:read would be good; so far, everything I've tried does not allow me to use it to read stuff that I can access in Lisp.
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2016-09-11T04:39:03Z cromachina: assuming sb-posix:read maps to this C function: http://linux.die.net/man/3/read
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2016-09-11T04:39:25Z cromachina: then you need to give it a posix-style file descriptor that it is expecting
2016-09-11T04:39:27Z myrkraverk: Yes, pretty much.
2016-09-11T04:39:44Z cromachina: such as with from sb-posix:open
2016-09-11T04:39:51Z myrkraverk: Yeah, the posix style fd isn't a problem -- I got that with sb-posix:open.  It's the buffer that seems to be problematic.
2016-09-11T04:39:54Z jasom: A posix FD and foreign memory that has been allocated
2016-09-11T04:40:20Z myrkraverk: I can allocate memore with sb-alien:make-alien -- but I don't know how to read from that into ilsp.
2016-09-11T04:40:43Z myrkraverk: So far the only thing I can tell is that the read call doesn't throw me into a debugger.
2016-09-11T04:40:54Z H4ns: myrkraverk: have a look at https://searchcode.com/codesearch/view/90451911/
2016-09-11T04:40:55Z jasom: http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Operations-On-Foreign-Values
2016-09-11T04:41:11Z jasom: sb-alien:deref
2016-09-11T04:41:15Z cromachina: the docs for make-alien specifies how to dereference them
2016-09-11T04:42:00Z cromachina: (documentation 'sb-alien:make-alien 'function)
2016-09-11T04:42:18Z myrkraverk: cromachina: then I'm just stupid, because I was unable to read anything from the buffer into lisp.
2016-09-11T04:42:38Z cromachina: can you elaborate?
2016-09-11T04:42:40Z cromachina: does it crash?
2016-09-11T04:43:18Z H4ns: myrkraverk: you can allocate a usb8 vector and then use sb-sys:vector-sap to get a pointer to its data so that you can read into it.  you'll then just have to deal with the vector.
2016-09-11T04:43:21Z myrkraverk: It throws me into a debugger if the posix call errors out.
2016-09-11T04:43:36Z cromachina: and what error do you get?
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2016-09-11T04:43:53Z myrkraverk: None, that's why I was somewhat sure my allocation was successful.
2016-09-11T04:44:31Z cromachina: can you put some sample code on the paste site?
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2016-09-11T04:50:12Z jasom: myrkraverk: (let ((foo (make-alien (array char 10)))) (sb-posix:read 0 foo 1) (sb-alien:deref foo 0))
2016-09-11T04:50:16Z myrkraverk: H4ns came to the rescue, vector-sap does the trick, so I'm good for now.
2016-09-11T04:50:31Z myrkraverk: jasom: Ah, thanks.
2016-09-11T04:53:47Z myrkraverk: Using deref, this is what I ended up with: (sb-alien:deref (sb-alien:deref buffer) 0)
2016-09-11T04:55:01Z myrkraverk: It's somewhat confusing to use deref twice.
2016-09-11T04:55:52Z myrkraverk: Though the make-alien documentation string shows that.
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2016-09-11T04:58:49Z cromachina: as confusing as nested structures perhaps. i think you will get better bang for your buck using CFFI
2016-09-11T04:58:59Z cromachina: https://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/
2016-09-11T04:59:16Z cromachina: which wraps around sb-alien, and whatever other impls have
2016-09-11T05:02:51Z jasom: there's also static-vectors
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2016-09-11T05:04:19Z myrkraverk: cromachina: maybe (not so confusing) but I didn't see anything about that in the SBCL manual itself.
2016-09-11T05:04:33Z myrkraverk: That a double deref might be needed.
2016-09-11T05:04:51Z cromachina: a lot of function documentation is not in the manual
2016-09-11T05:05:01Z myrkraverk: *nod*
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2016-09-11T05:31:50Z myrkraverk: In general, or in sb-posix:syscall-error in particular, is it possible to retrieve the actual function name that threw the error?
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2016-09-11T05:36:24Z myrkraverk: That is, without looking at a stacktrace, and it appears it's not possible.
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2016-09-11T05:37:41Z Fare: why without looking at the stacktrace?
2016-09-11T05:39:31Z myrkraverk: Because looking at the stack trace is "outside the scope" of the code I'm writing.
2016-09-11T05:39:58Z Bike: you mean you want the actual function name for further programmatic processing?
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2016-09-11T11:43:56Z myrkraverk: Is it possible to predict the length of a cl-mustache expansion?
2016-09-11T11:44:31Z myrkraverk: Say, if I want to limit the total output to n characters, by controlling the length of the expanded variables.
2016-09-11T11:44:47Z myrkraverk: When I was looking at the docs earlier, I didn't come across anything of the sort.
2016-09-11T11:48:25Z pipping: prediciting the length of the output should be no easier than actually creating the output
2016-09-11T11:49:14Z pipping: and it would assume that the length of everything you're mustaching into a string has a predictable length
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2016-09-11T11:52:11Z myrkraverk: Well, since my input variables are exactly two it's not too much of a problem.  I'm just wondering if using mustache makes sense, or not.  On one hand, it makes everything a lot easier to customize, on the other, I do have a fixed output length requirement.
2016-09-11T11:52:33Z myrkraverk: Or max output length.
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2016-09-11T12:00:52Z pipping: you could just use format with padding and/or truncation
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2016-09-11T12:27:31Z myrkraverk: Yeah, that might work.  Though ideally, the format string should be in a config file.
2016-09-11T12:29:18Z myrkraverk: Does format have reorderable variables?  Like (mostly unknown though) the C printf function does.
2016-09-11T12:32:42Z pipping: hm. I think I just claimed that format did truncation when I don't think it does
2016-09-11T12:32:44Z pipping blushes
2016-09-11T12:32:57Z myrkraverk: The printf trick looks like this: %3$s for the third string argument.
2016-09-11T12:33:09Z raydeejay: you can certainly truncate strings that you pass to format, pipping
2016-09-11T12:33:21Z raydeejay: but bless me if I recall the syntax off the top of my head xD
2016-09-11T12:33:33Z myrkraverk: I can look up the syntax without too much trouble.
2016-09-11T12:36:11Z raydeejay: or you  may be right and I may have dreamed it...
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2016-09-11T12:54:52Z myrkraverk: I find examples of padding, but not truncation.
2016-09-11T12:55:24Z pipping: raydeejay and I apparently both had the same dream
2016-09-11T12:55:30Z raydeejay: yeah
2016-09-11T12:55:31Z pipping: it's a tough awakening now
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2016-09-11T12:56:30Z raydeejay: still, it's a (subseq str 0 (max (length str) your-desired-max-length)) away
2016-09-11T12:56:35Z myrkraverk: I'll see what I can do with mustache as well.
2016-09-11T12:56:57Z myrkraverk: Yeah, the only issue, is that I want to truncate one of the parameters I want to put into my template.
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2016-09-11T12:57:28Z myrkraverk: And as the template changes, the max-length changes with it.
2016-09-11T13:00:18Z raydeejay: you could measure the template first, subtract the length of the tags, then figure out if your parameter is too long... requires knowing the length of the tags
2016-09-11T13:00:45Z myrkraverk: Yeah.
2016-09-11T13:00:52Z raydeejay: or you could generate it once, see if it's too big, then pass a substring of the parameter to the template... which requires instantiating the template twice
2016-09-11T13:01:00Z raydeejay: (potentially)
2016-09-11T13:01:06Z myrkraverk: *nod*
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2016-09-11T13:02:36Z pipping: myrkraverk: when you say you want your string not to exceed a certain length
2016-09-11T13:02:50Z pipping: myrkraverk: is that because you have memory limits or display length limits?
2016-09-11T13:03:57Z myrkraverk: protocol length limits.
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2016-09-11T13:05:13Z raydeejay: my thought on this... for a couple of parameters, and given the additional requirements, mustache seems both overkill and not flexible enough :)
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2016-09-11T13:06:21Z pipping: Do you want "this is A: ~a; and this is B: ~a" to truncate into "this is A: foo...; this is B: bar..." if the content of A and B is too long or is truncating it to "this is A: ~a; and this is ..." acceptable?
2016-09-11T13:06:27Z myrkraverk: True.
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2016-09-11T13:07:13Z myrkraverk: pipping: the first ~a needs to be truncated, as I'm thinking about this right now.
2016-09-11T13:07:31Z pipping: myrkraverk: ah, but only that one? never the second one?
2016-09-11T13:07:52Z myrkraverk: Not as things are right now.
2016-09-11T13:07:59Z myrkraverk: It might change later, but I'll deal with it then if it does.
2016-09-11T13:08:28Z myrkraverk: This really wasn't complicated until I needed to put in an extra ~a.
2016-09-11T13:09:37Z myrkraverk: And since I have to add an extra ~a, I want to make it flexible so I can do that without having to recode everything.
2016-09-11T13:09:51Z myrkraverk: So at least a format string-ish template with two ~as.
2016-09-11T13:10:33Z pipping: Well then maybe print "This is A: ~a; and this is B: ~a" is best printed as (let ((str1 "This is A: ") (str2 "; and this is B: ") "~a~a~a~a" str1 (truncate-to-len (- 100 (length str1) (length str2) (length B)) A) str2 B)
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2016-09-11T13:11:12Z pipping: paren missing and 100 is not what you want, but you get the idea
2016-09-11T13:11:58Z myrkraverk: Yeah, that will probably work well enough.
2016-09-11T13:12:19Z piterbig: where can i find the vidos about learning common lisp
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2016-09-11T14:41:11Z myrkraverk: When I use loop :for var :in list ; and I want to "skip" one if one element of the list, if the preceding (current) var satisfies some condition, can I do that easily?
2016-09-11T14:42:00Z myrkraverk: (ok, I could have written that better, but I think I'm understood)
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2016-09-11T14:44:49Z yaroe: Hello there ! Is there a "reference" library for hierarchical packages ?
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2016-09-11T14:46:08Z loke`: myrkraverk: I'd probably do something along the lines of (loop for x = list then (cdr x) ...)
2016-09-11T14:46:48Z loke`: then you can skip an element by using (setf x (cdr x))
2016-09-11T14:46:56Z loke`: or (pop x)
2016-09-11T14:46:59Z myrkraverk: Oh yeah.
2016-09-11T14:47:35Z loke`: yaroe: I'm not sure I understand your question.
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2016-09-11T14:49:47Z ritschmaster: Does anyone of you know a proper Common Lisp to PHP compiler? Not something like Pharen.
2016-09-11T14:50:43Z myrkraverk: Why would you want to do that in the first place?  And second, what's wrong with mustache if you want to generate something?
2016-09-11T14:51:47Z ritschmaster: If you have a compiler from Lisp to PHP you could use fairly easily use Lisp withing Apache2.
2016-09-11T14:51:53Z loke`: Or Lofn, which is the fastest template language in existence. :-)
2016-09-11T14:54:20Z myrkraverk: ritschmaster: You can already do that with fastcgi in lisp (though I never got around to try it) or run the webserver directly in lisp.
2016-09-11T14:55:15Z myrkraverk: If you're already using apache, I'd try fastcgi in Lisp.
2016-09-11T14:55:34Z cromachina: i use fastcgi, works fine
2016-09-11T14:55:38Z loke`: I'd recommend using a webserver in Lisp instead
2016-09-11T14:55:39Z cromachina: for lisp
2016-09-11T14:56:11Z loke`: Much more flexible since everything is integrated. Development is a dream too, since it perfectly matches the "live image development" model of Lisp
2016-09-11T14:56:13Z ritschmaster: I've tried that out already but it's painful for simple things as you can't properly get quicklisp and you have to specify everything (content-type etc).
2016-09-11T14:56:35Z cromachina: hunchentoot and others seem more apt for dynamic content. if you need fast static delivery, then engines made for it would probably be a better choices
2016-09-11T14:56:39Z cromachina: nginx for example
2016-09-11T14:56:40Z loke`: ritschmaster: That stuff is only handled once, using some macros.
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2016-09-11T14:57:06Z loke`: croOf course. You only use the Lisp server for the dynamic content
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2016-09-11T14:58:54Z loke`: Here's an example from Potato where the /load_chat web handler is defined (returns a JSON structure describing a chat message)
2016-09-11T14:58:57Z loke`: https://github.com/cicakhq/potato/blob/master/src/potato/channel-web.lisp#L148
2016-09-11T14:59:51Z loke`: Or the one that dosplays the login screen:
2016-09-11T14:59:52Z loke`: https://github.com/cicakhq/potato/blob/master/src/potato/login.lisp#L232
2016-09-11T14:59:57Z loke`: That's how simple it becomes
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2016-09-11T15:02:08Z ritschmaster: FYI I will just leave this here: https://github.com/ritschmaster/caveman2-widgets
2016-09-11T15:02:26Z ritschmaster: Feedback is happily welcomed.
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2016-09-11T15:09:44Z yaroe: loke: it handles packages that are named in a hierarchical way as in pack pack.sub1 pack.sub2 pack2.sub1
2016-09-11T15:10:09Z yaroe: loke: or same thing with / as a separator
2016-09-11T15:10:31Z loke`: yaroe: Interesting idea. I haven't seen any such library.
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2016-09-11T15:47:18Z myrkraverk: Is there a simple way to create a string with a newline?
2016-09-11T15:47:39Z myrkraverk: Like, iirc, #\newline is the character, but can I create a literal string with that too?
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2016-09-11T15:52:16Z pierpa: #.(coerce '(#\Newline) 'string)
2016-09-11T15:53:11Z pierpa: "
2016-09-11T15:53:13Z pierpa: "
2016-09-11T15:53:14Z myrkraverk: I also found (string #\newline) ; which is shorter ad neater.
2016-09-11T15:53:18Z pierpa: works too, of course
2016-09-11T15:53:27Z myrkraverk: Yeah, "
2016-09-11T15:53:29Z pierpa: ah, right
2016-09-11T15:53:31Z myrkraverk: " is ugly though.
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2016-09-11T18:04:06Z jasom: ritschmaster: looks interesting.  It looks like it attempts to "play well with others" more than weblocks?
2016-09-11T18:05:42Z jasom: ritschmaster: that was part of the issue I had with weblocks; the other was how unhackable it was.  Every time I found a deficiency, I had to go through about 12 levels of indirection to find the code (which was sometimes an interaction with a value provided about 6 levels of indirection up) that was causing the problem.  It was hard with slime to debug, and would have been impossible without.
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2016-09-11T18:21:16Z jasom: I ended up writting my frontend in parenscript/react (then later switched to mithril), and that at least gave me lisp's metaprogramming features for my gui, but I had to restrict my data model to something that would work reliably on both parenscript and lisp.
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2016-09-11T18:34:03Z jsgrant: jasom: What kind of a project was it? I wish there were more examples of Lisp in Webdev-land.
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2016-09-11T18:46:08Z jasom: jsgrant: a character-sheet management tool for an RPG I play
2016-09-11T18:46:22Z jasom: https://github.com/jasom/cl-fccs
2016-09-11T18:46:38Z jasom: I need to do some cleanup on it
2016-09-11T18:46:42Z jasom: but it works
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2016-09-11T18:48:15Z jsgrant: jasom: Oh, neat!
2016-09-11T18:49:09Z jasom: in particular the object system I share between lisp and parenscript was really just a prototype; I ought to make it a bit less hacky.
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2016-09-11T18:51:07Z jasom: Also I was using ImmutableJS for performance reasons on React, but now that I'm using mithril, unless I memoize the view function I get zero benefit from it.
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2016-09-11T18:52:17Z jasom: so I should either memoize the view function or switch back to more idiomatic javascript.
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2016-09-11T22:18:14Z shrdlu68: How does one create an IO stream from a a byte array?
2016-09-11T22:19:36Z shrdlu68: Sort of like with-input-from-string.
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2016-09-11T22:22:29Z cromachina: shrdlu68: flexi-streams may be able to help you with that
2016-09-11T22:23:20Z cromachina: http://weitz.de/flexi-streams/#make-in-memory-input-stream
2016-09-11T22:23:37Z shrdlu68: cromachina: I've heard of it, but I was wondering if there was a way to just do it in vanilla CL.
2016-09-11T22:24:12Z shrdlu68: Essentially, how to create non-file-based binary IO streams in CL?
2016-09-11T22:24:24Z cromachina: you could use your implementation's gray-streams
2016-09-11T22:24:42Z cromachina: but note that it would not be portable
2016-09-11T22:25:28Z shrdlu68: I've seen traces of those, reading about. Let me learn more about them...
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2016-09-11T22:28:29Z magicuser: is there any lisp library that does kinda like readline?
2016-09-11T22:28:33Z magicuser: I use rlwrap
2016-09-11T22:28:35Z magicuser: now
2016-09-11T22:28:44Z magicuser: but wow its like 15m  in top on freebsd
2016-09-11T22:28:46Z pierpa: emacs?
2016-09-11T22:28:48Z magicuser: 15M!
2016-09-11T22:28:52Z magicuser: vi
2016-09-11T22:28:59Z cromachina: emacs :^)
2016-09-11T22:29:03Z magicuser: yuk
2016-09-11T22:29:14Z cromachina: perhaps this? https://github.com/mrkkrp/cl-readline
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2016-09-11T22:41:16Z magicuser: hmm
2016-09-11T22:41:27Z magicuser: I will just use rlwrap that looks like hell to install.
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2016-09-11T22:41:36Z magicuser: rlwrap sbcl!
2016-09-11T22:41:39Z magicuser: on freebsd 11 here
2016-09-11T22:45:07Z magicuser: funny some kinda reader thing cant do that in just a few lines of code without using gnu readline...
2016-09-11T22:45:25Z magicuser: adn 2 other libs I never heard of
2016-09-11T22:45:34Z magicuser: and a installer program I never used
2016-09-11T22:46:13Z magicuser: and I cant jsut go mylistpforexsbcl -some-switch-to-load-in-code-from-file  readlinelispleanppfile
2016-09-11T22:46:23Z raydeejay: you could use tintin++
2016-09-11T22:46:26Z pierpa: why do you need such a thing?
2016-09-11T22:47:16Z magicuser: if I compute say length n width for a metal hosue in meters, and want to type up arrow and modify code to do it in feet, since the price in in X per sq foot
2016-09-11T22:47:20Z magicuser: realine si awesome
2016-09-11T22:47:25Z magicuser: tintin++?
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2016-09-11T22:47:46Z pierpa: why don't you work in an environment which allows you to do this already?
2016-09-11T22:47:53Z magicuser: its really convenient to use lisp as calculator
2016-09-11T22:47:58Z raydeejay: I'm kidding mostly, but you could use tintin++ to get editing of that kind
2016-09-11T22:48:02Z magicuser: I do but its a lot of ram
2016-09-11T22:48:05Z raydeejay: or, you know, emacs
2016-09-11T22:48:09Z magicuser: rlwrap is very nice but 15m ram
2016-09-11T22:48:30Z magicuser: seems like memorizing last say 50 commands I run in the interpreter should not take 15m
2016-09-11T22:49:27Z cromachina: what constrained system are you working on?
2016-09-11T22:51:00Z magicuser: its not really
2016-09-11T22:51:02Z magicuser: 16g ram pc
2016-09-11T22:51:06Z magicuser: freebsd 11
2016-09-11T22:51:08Z magicuser: 6 cpu
2016-09-11T22:51:10Z raydeejay sighs
2016-09-11T22:51:13Z magicuser: just a code size thing
2016-09-11T22:51:26Z magicuser: its seems as if this should be easy thing for lisp to do in few k
2016-09-11T22:51:28Z magicuser: of code
2016-09-11T22:51:43Z magicuser: 10k is 10,000 lines of text
2016-09-11T22:54:12Z antoszka: magicuser: didn't follow the whole discussion, but for sbcl there linedit
2016-09-11T22:54:23Z antoszka: magicuser: works much better than rlwrap
2016-09-11T22:54:36Z antoszka: (including persistent history)
2016-09-11T22:55:35Z antoszka: http://wklej.org/id/2841429/ ← that's how I set it up
2016-09-11T22:58:37Z cromachina: you will likely pay even more in lisp memory to do the same thing as rlwrap
2016-09-11T22:59:20Z cromachina: also i doubt that is a 10k project
2016-09-11T22:59:33Z cromachina: sounds like less than 300 lines
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2016-09-11T23:39:07Z pipping: magicuser: a cheaper solution than wasting thought on this is just to wait for ram to become even cheaper and buy more of it.
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