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2016-08-30T04:02:19Z loke__: Hello Lisp!
2016-08-30T04:02:30Z pillton: G'day loke__.
2016-08-30T04:02:40Z loke__: Hello pillman
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2016-08-30T04:31:23Z beach: Good morning everyone!
2016-08-30T04:31:41Z pillton: G'day beach.
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2016-08-30T04:35:47Z drmeister: Hi beach.
2016-08-30T04:36:06Z beach: Hello drmeister.
2016-08-30T04:36:15Z loke__: Hello drmeister !
2016-08-30T04:36:24Z drmeister: beach: How are things going?  Anything new?
2016-08-30T04:36:29Z drmeister: loke__: Hi
2016-08-30T04:36:29Z beach: drmeister: Did you see that Bike implemented type inference?
2016-08-30T04:37:17Z drmeister: No!  I talked to him last week - he said he had some new inlining working - but I haven't had time to try it out.
2016-08-30T04:37:32Z drmeister: I thought type inference would take a lot more work?
2016-08-30T04:38:13Z drmeister: What does this mean?   Type inference with dead code elimination?
2016-08-30T04:38:22Z beach: Most things were already in place.  And there are probably quite a few details to work out, such as making sure all the methods for all the instructions are in place.
2016-08-30T04:38:39Z beach: Yes, including elimination of branches that are impossible.
2016-08-30T04:38:43Z drmeister: Bike: Are you online?
2016-08-30T04:38:50Z Bike: sssssup
2016-08-30T04:38:58Z drmeister: Did you implement type inference?
2016-08-30T04:39:02Z drmeister: Sorry, my mind is boggling.
2016-08-30T04:39:19Z Bike: beach already had the whole algorithm laid out, i just fixed it up a bit
2016-08-30T04:39:22Z drmeister: That's a stupid question - beach just said you did.
2016-08-30T04:39:39Z beach: I could have been lying.
2016-08-30T04:39:43Z drmeister: Is this beyond what we talked about last week?
2016-08-30T04:39:52Z drmeister: beach: Come now.  You don't do that.
2016-08-30T04:39:59Z Bike: um, that depends on whether i mentioned type inference last week, which i do not remember
2016-08-30T04:40:08Z beach: Heh!
2016-08-30T04:40:11Z drmeister: Nope.  Inlining - you mentioned inlining.
2016-08-30T04:40:19Z Bike: yes, it's in addition to the inlining
2016-08-30T04:40:31Z drmeister: Wow, ok.   That's news.
2016-08-30T04:41:14Z drmeister: Is it up on github?
2016-08-30T04:41:19Z Bike: the inference isn't like, amazing, but it's enough to cut (declare (cons x)) (cons (car x) (cdr x)) to having two checks instead of six
2016-08-30T04:41:22Z Bike: yes
2016-08-30T04:41:37Z Bike: oh i wrote a long message, let me just link you that
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2016-08-30T04:41:38Z drmeister: Wow, ok. I'll stop saying wow.
2016-08-30T04:42:02Z Bike: https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL/pull/42 this should also have what you need to change
2016-08-30T04:43:19Z drmeister: Ok. Well - I owe you a dinner or five.
2016-08-30T04:43:36Z Bike: save that for after you watch it crash
2016-08-30T04:43:53Z drmeister: No problem.  Crashing is what I do.
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2016-08-30T04:44:23Z drmeister: Ok, it's late here, I'm going to get some sleep (I just returned from the UK and am trying to get on EST)
2016-08-30T04:44:36Z drmeister: Then I'll wake up and check the logs to make sure I'm not dreaming.
2016-08-30T04:44:41Z loke__: drmeister: You're in the US?
2016-08-30T04:44:49Z drmeister: loke__: I am now.
2016-08-30T04:44:56Z loke__: drmeister: Permanently>
2016-08-30T04:44:57Z drmeister: I was in Cambridge UK over the weekend.
2016-08-30T04:44:57Z loke__: ?
2016-08-30T04:45:06Z drmeister: loke__: I live in Philadelphia.
2016-08-30T04:45:15Z loke__: drmeister: I thought you were in Europe?
2016-08-30T04:45:19Z Bike: if i could get slime working in clasp i'd try to crash it myself, but i can't, plus school started so suddenly i don't have time to make thousand line pull requests
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2016-08-30T04:45:33Z loke__: drmeister: Did you have to share your social media information when entering the US?
2016-08-30T04:45:51Z drmeister: Nope.   West Philadelphia born and raised.
2016-08-30T04:45:58Z Bike: lol.
2016-08-30T04:46:11Z Bike: somehow i got the impression you were canadian
2016-08-30T04:46:15Z drmeister: Er wrong, that's the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
2016-08-30T04:46:15Z loke__: drmeister: Were people people up to no good in your neighbourhood?
2016-08-30T04:46:47Z drmeister: But I do live very near West Philadelphia where Will Smith grew up.   He has a house near here and gets hoagies at the same place we do.
2016-08-30T04:47:07Z loke__: What's a hoagy?
2016-08-30T04:47:07Z drmeister: I was and am Canadian but became a US Citizen last year.
2016-08-30T04:47:23Z drmeister: It's a type of sandwich made on a long roll.
2016-08-30T04:47:48Z loke__: Hmm...
2016-08-30T04:47:52Z drmeister: I go more for the pizza, but never mind all that!  Bike implemented type inference.
2016-08-30T04:47:53Z loke__: Googling for hoagy reveals nothing.
2016-08-30T04:47:57Z Bike: oh. clearly i should learn to take lyrics less seriously
2016-08-30T04:48:15Z Bike: loke__: try "hoagie"
2016-08-30T04:48:24Z drmeister: I misspelled it.
2016-08-30T04:48:25Z drmeister: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich#Hoagie
2016-08-30T04:48:31Z loke__: OK, that's better
2016-08-30T04:48:43Z loke__: Oh... my... FSM
2016-08-30T04:48:55Z loke__: what the hell IS THIS THING?
2016-08-30T04:49:07Z loke__: You are supposed to eat that? :-)
2016-08-30T04:49:19Z Bike: if you're american you should be used to weird sandwiches by now
2016-08-30T04:50:37Z loke__: I'm not talking about the content (I could do that too, but that's a separate topic). I was merely referring the the mechanics of transferring such thing into one's mouth.
2016-08-30T04:50:59Z Bike: drmeister: anyway, when you have time to try it i'll remember to be in #clasp for the fallout
2016-08-30T04:51:09Z loke__: Bike: What makes you think I'm american (south or north)?
2016-08-30T04:51:13Z drmeister: I'm not into hoagie's really but a Cuban sandwich - mmmmm   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_sandwich
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2016-08-30T04:51:35Z drmeister: Bike - sure thing.   It looks like the weekend or next week.
2016-08-30T04:51:37Z Bike: loke__: nothing at all
2016-08-30T04:51:48Z drmeister: Class started this week and I've got a bunch of fires to put out.
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2016-08-30T04:52:36Z Bike: well, i sympathize. i spent an hour today running between computer labs and the IT helpdesk
2016-08-30T04:53:02Z drmeister: The Cuban sandwich is pressed so the mechanics work better. But it's the pickles and the mustard that really make it sing ... (sigh)
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2016-08-30T04:53:22Z drmeister: beach: Thank you for the heads up.
2016-08-30T04:55:00Z drmeister: CFFI is coming along - it turns out the CORE:INTRINSIC-CALL special operator that I implemented for making C calls directly and make link time optimization is almost everything we need to implement %foreign-call.
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2016-08-30T04:55:57Z drmeister: It's being implemented by frgo - he's making great progress working with Clasp code and implementing the low level functions to support CFFI.
2016-08-30T04:56:09Z drmeister: Good night all.  Bike - thanks.
2016-08-30T04:56:14Z Bike: NIGHT
2016-08-30T04:56:17Z Bike: caps lock
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2016-08-30T05:01:22Z Bike: the more i mess with stuff like that the more likely i am to permanently convince my computer that my keyboard is actually an oculus rift, thus rendering it unusable
2016-08-30T05:01:26Z Bike: i am not good with computers.
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2016-08-30T06:54:25Z reepca: I'd like to take a moment to express my frustration at NAMESTRING not following the convention of having pathname- in front of it. That made it so much harder to find.
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2016-08-30T07:03:44Z pillton: clhs 19.4
2016-08-30T07:03:44Z specbot: The Filenames Dictionary: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/c_filena.htm
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2016-08-30T07:04:05Z pillton: reepca: It is a small list.
2016-08-30T07:05:22Z reepca: *shrug* my googling didn't take me to that chapter. And the problem is that I was searching using SLIME tab-completion.
2016-08-30T07:05:36Z reepca: so I just assumed that if I found all the completions for pathname-, it should be there
2016-08-30T07:06:24Z pillton: Every chapter of the hyperspec has a dictionary section. They are a good place to search.
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2016-08-30T07:16:09Z myrkraverk: Is there a good lisp editor that is not Emacs?
2016-08-30T07:16:38Z myrkraverk: I'm considering this for a coworker, and I'd like to introduce one thing at a time.  This time it's CL.
2016-08-30T07:17:44Z PuercoPop: myrkraverk: vim with slimv?
2016-08-30T07:18:06Z myrkraverk: PuercoPop: If this coworker knows vim, I'll point it out; thank you
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2016-08-30T10:34:39Z pipping: pillton: added a comment to https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Read_entire_file#Common_Lisp that improves the situation slightly
2016-08-30T10:36:21Z Grue``: "will not work with unicode"
2016-08-30T10:36:33Z Grue``: but it's 2016!
2016-08-30T10:37:21Z pipping: well, the entire comment is full of half-truths. but at least it might give a reader the idea that that's not "the one true way to read a file into a string"
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2016-08-30T10:41:02Z Grue``: (with-open-file (s filename) (uiop:slurp-stream-string s))
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2016-08-30T10:43:29Z Grue``: i think the main problem why rosetta won't work with unicode is that file-length returns length in bytes. if the string is created as extensible array, this can be avoided
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2016-08-30T10:49:31Z pipping: Grue``: if file-length returns the length in bytes then it will always (not necessarily strictly) overestimate the number of characters in the corresponding unicode string. but the outcome of yesterday's discussion was that file-length was underspecified.
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2016-08-30T10:54:33Z edgar-rft: As far as I can see there is no requirement at <https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Read_entire_file> to read the file into a string *in a sensible way*. So what's the problem with unicode? The string will contain a unicode byte sequence, what means task accomplished as specified.
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2016-08-30T10:55:14Z Grue``: well, it might look bad compared to other languages that do handle unicode
2016-08-30T10:55:46Z Grue``: ideally there would be a keyword parameter or something that specifies the encoding of the file
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2016-08-30T10:58:26Z edgar-rft: Grue``: Never invent problems that you're not demanded to solve.
2016-08-30T10:58:53Z edgar-rft: at least not without extra payment :-)
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2016-08-30T11:05:09Z pipping: edgar-rft: if you read a unicode file like that you'll create a string of size N and then only fill it with M<=N characters. The resulting string would print properly (maybe?) but compare not-equal to a string made from (read-line) if M < N, since it would have size M.
2016-08-30T11:07:44Z pipping: clhs string=
2016-08-30T11:07:44Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_stgeq_.htm
2016-08-30T11:07:55Z pipping: specifies that M = N is a requirement
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2016-08-30T11:17:30Z edgar-rft: pipping: there is NO SAY on that page that the string must be printable or filled with characters.
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2016-08-30T11:19:55Z edgar-rft: pipping: e.g. it's perfectly possible to read a binary file into a string that is not human-readable at all
2016-08-30T11:21:27Z pipping: edgar-rft: The primary objective is to read a file into a string, not necessarily into memory -- https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Talk:Read_entire_file
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2016-08-30T11:24:33Z pipping: edgar-rft: sorry, I re-read what you wrote. The quote is not actually relevant.
2016-08-30T11:26:14Z edgar-rft: pipping: I understand your problem. But a string is just simply a data structure in memory and in most cases it is automatically assumed that it contains human-readable characters. But this is only an assumption.
2016-08-30T11:27:19Z pipping: edgar-rft: you're right. encodings don't enter into it. And e.g. with cmucl's string-decode you could even decode the string into utf-8 later.
2016-08-30T11:30:21Z pipping: edgar-rft: what course of action do you suggest then?
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2016-08-30T11:33:41Z edgar-rft: I just would leave it as-is until somebody complains, and if people complain send the to the person who as formulated the task , where is neither written that it's a *text* file that shall be read nor that the string *must* contain human-readable characters. You're not responsible for that. The task is solved as specified.
2016-08-30T11:34:50Z Grue``: it's supposed to be an educational resource
2016-08-30T11:34:59Z edgar-rft: * sorry, there *is* written that it's a text file...
2016-08-30T11:35:02Z Grue``: not a programming chanllenge
2016-08-30T11:35:36Z edgar-rft: Grue``: yes, you're just learning something ... :-)
2016-08-30T11:37:25Z edgar-rft: What I want to point out is that if you have a job and your boss says "do this" or "do that" then *never* do more that "this" or "that" without extra payment.
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2016-08-30T11:38:10Z edgar-rft: You're not responsible if others have failed to use their brain.
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2016-08-30T11:40:20Z Grue``: that wouldn't work in most jobs, you just do what your boss/client wants and are paid for your time
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2016-08-30T11:42:03Z edgar-rft: If you're satisfied with such a job, then it's fine, I have no problem with that :-)
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2016-08-30T11:45:21Z Grue``: a job where they pay you extra for being super pedantic sure would be nice...
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2016-08-30T11:48:12Z edgar-rft: That's already *my* job... :-)
2016-08-30T11:49:03Z edgar-rft: No, seriously, I had too often these discussion where people changed there minds five times a day
2016-08-30T11:50:11Z edgar-rft: and the expect me to do all the extra work for free
2016-08-30T11:50:50Z pipping: edgar-rft: edited https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Read_entire_file#Common_Lisp again. maybe clearer now. maybe not. gotta go.
2016-08-30T11:51:39Z edgar-rft: pipping: yes! that's much better than my pedantry...
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2016-08-30T11:53:07Z edgar-rft: it's some kind of stupid that read-sequence has no :external-format :utf-8 keyword
2016-08-30T11:53:56Z pierpa: if it had then it would vanify its purpose
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2016-08-30T11:56:49Z Grue``: i still maintain that pre-creating the string of length file-length is a bad idea. what if the file is a log that's being constantly appended?
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2016-08-30T12:06:20Z Xach is glad to see conversations have lasted more than 12 hours
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2016-08-30T12:12:10Z jackdaniel: :)
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2016-08-30T12:21:07Z edgar-rft: Grue``: and what if iso-8859 strings have been appended to an utf-8 log file?
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2016-08-30T12:36:30Z Grue``: that's clearly a bug in the logger
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2016-08-30T12:38:40Z Grue``: whereas slurping in a log file and parsing it is a common use case
2016-08-30T12:39:13Z edgar-rft: Grue``: this happened to me more than once when I had installed programs on an USB stick that I used on Win, Mac, and Linux
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2016-08-30T13:32:32Z Posterdati: hi
2016-08-30T13:32:53Z Posterdati: how can I read from *standard-input* this line: 1 2 3 4
2016-08-30T13:32:57Z Posterdati: thanks
2016-08-30T13:33:46Z splittist: Posterdati: READ-LINE ?
2016-08-30T13:34:08Z Posterdati: read-line returns a string I need a list of integer
2016-08-30T13:34:53Z splittist: Posterdati: so you don't want to read the line, you want to read integers until an end-of-line is reached?
2016-08-30T13:34:57Z jackdaniel: (let ((input (read-line *standard-input*))) (until-eof-read-from-string …))
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2016-08-30T13:37:55Z Posterdati: splittist: yes
2016-08-30T13:39:58Z Xach: jackdaniel's answer is good.
2016-08-30T13:40:16Z Posterdati: what is until-eof-read-from-string ?
2016-08-30T13:40:26Z Xach: Posterdati: it is something you have to think of yourself.
2016-08-30T13:40:42Z Xach: Posterdati: with-input-from-string plus eof checking on READ
2016-08-30T13:41:07Z Posterdati: so you use a string as a stream?
2016-08-30T13:41:22Z Xach: Posterdati: yes, a string-input-stream, with with-input-from-string.
2016-08-30T13:42:49Z Posterdati: why this code does not work? http://paste.lisp.org/display/324639
2016-08-30T13:43:07Z Posterdati: I have to enter a second #\Newline to exit
2016-08-30T13:45:19Z sjl: if I'm calling a C function with CFFI, and that function returns a char* that I'm expected to free() when I'm finished with it, is (foreign-free ...) the correct function to use?
2016-08-30T13:45:27Z Xach: Posterdati: READ will eat the first newline.
2016-08-30T13:45:38Z sjl: the CFFI manual says "The foreign-free function frees a ptr previously allocated by foreign-alloc."
2016-08-30T13:46:01Z sjl: and this thing wasn't allocated by foreign-alloc, it was allocated somewhere in the C function
2016-08-30T13:46:04Z Posterdati: Xach: I supposed so, is there a way to change this?
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2016-08-30T13:46:31Z Xach: Posterdati: No. I recommend doing what jackdaniel suggested instead.
2016-08-30T13:46:33Z sjl: using (foreign-free ) seems to *work* in my unscientific test, but I figured I'd ask
2016-08-30T13:46:41Z Posterdati: Xach: if I did 1 space 2 space space newline, worked!
2016-08-30T13:46:52Z Posterdati: sorry
2016-08-30T13:47:01Z Posterdati: Xach: if I did: 1 space 2 space newline, worked!
2016-08-30T13:47:16Z sjl: oh I guess I could just foreign-funcall free() itself...
2016-08-30T13:47:20Z Posterdati: jackdaniel: thank a lot
2016-08-30T13:47:22Z Xach: Posterdati: yes. READ will stop at the whitespace, allowing read-char to see the #\Newline
2016-08-30T13:48:06Z Posterdati: Xach: basically I need a way to count integers input and then store them in a list
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2016-08-30T13:48:36Z Xach: Posterdati: jackdaniel's solution is perfect for that.
2016-08-30T13:48:44Z lieven: you're better off reading a line as a string and then calling repeatedly parse-integer until it fails
2016-08-30T13:48:58Z Xach: Yes, parse-integer is a good option also.
2016-08-30T13:49:10Z lieven: unless you know what you're doing, READ-ing random input is not a good idea
2016-08-30T13:49:53Z Posterdati: lieven: the input is integer only, but it is better to do a more robust solution like jackdaniel's one
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2016-08-30T13:51:14Z lieven: you never know when enemy action inserts a "#.(ext:system "/bin/rm -rf /")" into the integers :)
2016-08-30T13:51:30Z Xach: Posterdati: jackdaniel's suggestion can include parse-integer
2016-08-30T13:52:19Z warweasle: Good morning
2016-08-30T13:53:02Z Grue``: (mapcar 'parse-integer (ppcre:all-matches-as-strings "\\d+" "1 2 3 4"))
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2016-08-30T13:55:15Z Grue``: (alternatively, ppcre:split by whitespace)
2016-08-30T13:55:26Z Xach: so many options
2016-08-30T13:57:57Z pierpa: here's the ugliest: (read-from-string (concatenate 'string "(" (read-line ...) ")"))
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2016-08-30T14:10:43Z Posterdati: Xach, jackdaniel: like this? --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/324639#1
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2016-08-30T14:28:05Z Xach: Posterdati: no.
2016-08-30T14:28:48Z Xach: Posterdati: use NIL for eof-error-p instead of handling the error. Then check that the return value from READ is either an integer or your eof value.
2016-08-30T14:29:00Z Posterdati: ok
2016-08-30T14:29:05Z Posterdati: thanks
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2016-08-30T15:14:21Z hlavaty: hi, there is /proc/sys/kernel/sched_autogroup_enabled on ubuntu but there is none on nixos; does somebody know why, or any other details?
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2016-08-30T15:15:08Z dlowe: hlavaty: you might try another channel for that question.
2016-08-30T15:15:23Z hlavaty: dlowe: oh sorry
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2016-08-30T15:15:51Z dlowe: np :)
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2016-08-30T15:34:12Z jasom: sjl: in practice foreign-free does call free, but it's not guaranteed to.  Well behaving C libraries designed for use with other languages should provide their own free function in the event that two different malloc implementations end up loaded.
2016-08-30T15:34:39Z jasom: sjl: since many C libraries aren't well behaving, calling foreign-free is probably a fine place to start.
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2016-08-30T15:50:58Z Th30n: I have a bit of a philosophycal question. I'd like to implement a small language on top of sexp syntax. Do you think this is a good use case for eval function? My idea is to read the string written in this custom language using read function (with *read-eval* set to nil and blacklisting some other things), then traversing the syntax tree and calling eval on forms whose operator is that of this custom language.
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2016-08-30T15:52:05Z Th30n: I guess I don't even need to call eval, but just call my corresponding implementation function, but its nice in case of eval that they can be one and the same.
2016-08-30T15:54:09Z Th30n: On second thought, there's no need for eval at all xD
2016-08-30T15:54:24Z malice`: Th30n: depending on what you want to do you may want to use reader macros, they are nice things that allow you to *expand* syntax, leaving you whole CL out there for use, but that's not a silver bullet
2016-08-30T15:54:25Z Grue``: use macros or read-macros
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2016-08-30T15:58:00Z Th30n: malice`: The idea is that the custom language source can come from an external source, so I'd like to prevent any potential security issues.
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2016-08-30T15:59:14Z malice`: Th30n: well I don't really see the eval in here
2016-08-30T15:59:21Z malice`: since it's your custom language then you probably don't want to eval lisp
2016-08-30T15:59:45Z malice`: and to eval your language you'd need custom eval anyway
2016-08-30T15:59:46Z malice`: but idk
2016-08-30T15:59:47Z Th30n: Yep, I've answered the question myself... I don't really need eval, read is more than enough.
2016-08-30T15:59:48Z malice`: g2g
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2016-08-30T16:10:01Z Grue``: there are a lot of security issues with read though ;)
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2016-08-30T16:13:54Z warweasle: Grue``: Isn't there a secure-read package? I could never figure out how to use it, however.
2016-08-30T16:14:52Z Grue``: i wouldn't trust just any random package
2016-08-30T16:15:18Z warweasle: Grue``: I think it's in quicklisp. That means it's been completely vetted. :)
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2016-08-30T16:21:51Z sjl: jasom: yeah that's what I figured
2016-08-30T16:21:53Z sjl: thanks
2016-08-30T16:22:21Z blub: Grue``: like what, aside from read-eval
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2016-08-30T16:25:32Z sjl: blub: e.g. https://github.com/phoe/secure-read#rough-definitions
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2016-08-30T17:14:50Z raydeejay: <loke__> Bike: You haven't mapped caps lock to control?
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2016-08-30T17:15:06Z raydeejay: I have my controls next to the space bar, and the metas in the keys that say "Ctrl"
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2016-08-30T17:18:27Z read-that-file: hey, i am trying to read a file, and want to do something like  http://paste.lisp.org/display/324657 , but when the file contains ";;" at the end, or newlines, i get "end of file while parsing" can you help to surround that?
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2016-08-30T17:20:38Z Xach: read-that-file: that looks like emacs lisp. #emacs might be a better place to discuss.
2016-08-30T17:20:51Z read-that-file: ok i switch :-) ty
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2016-08-30T17:38:44Z reepca: are the square bracket [ and ] characters special in any way in lisp strings?
2016-08-30T17:38:46Z reepca: or pathnames?
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2016-08-30T17:41:54Z scymtym: reepca: that's implementation dependent, i think. at least in SBCL, [<characters>] designates a pattern that matches a single character if it is one of the specified characters. similar to "glob" patterns
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2016-08-30T17:42:35Z rpg: scymtym: in what context?
2016-08-30T17:42:42Z scymtym: (in pathnames constructed using (PATHNAME <string>))
2016-08-30T17:42:45Z rpg: oh.
2016-08-30T17:43:00Z reepca: okay, is there a way to turn that off in SBCL? It's messing up a script that has to deal with those characters in filenames - it keeps trying to escape them when I pass the namestring to RM
2016-08-30T17:43:03Z rpg: Yes, lack of portable pathname globbing is really painful in CL.
2016-08-30T17:43:31Z reepca: (the pathnames in question are constructed via DIRECTORY)
2016-08-30T17:44:13Z scymtym: that is surprising (to me). do you have a code snippet that demonstrates the problem?
2016-08-30T17:44:35Z reepca: working on it
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2016-08-30T17:47:56Z reepca: (in shell) mkdir /tmp/test-dir ; touch "/tmp/test-dir/[foo]foo.lisp" (in sbcl) (directory "/tmp/test-dir/*.lisp")
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2016-08-30T17:49:24Z scymtym: reepca: thanks
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2016-08-30T17:50:02Z reepca: interestingly enough, the problem *doesn't* appear in pathnames created with (pathname pathspec)
2016-08-30T17:51:10Z scymtym: the (directory …) form produces a non-wild pathname for me, which seems correct. what goes wrong for you?
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2016-08-30T17:53:14Z reepca: (namestring (car *)) => "/tmp/test-dir/\\[foo]foo.lisp"
2016-08-30T17:53:26Z reepca: the backslashes are causing problems
2016-08-30T17:54:43Z scymtym: if you want to use the namestring outside of SBCL, use SB-EXT:NATIVE-NAMESTRING
2016-08-30T17:55:05Z scymtym: or UIOP:NATIVE-NAMESTRING if you want a portable solution
2016-08-30T17:55:18Z reepca: alright, thanks
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2016-08-30T19:21:21Z ferada: does any of the email libraries decode utf8 headers (=?UTF-8?...)? mel-base doesn't seem to do that (or i missed an option)
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2016-08-30T19:24:42Z mordocai: Lol at the person who commented "cool" on the august quicklisp update announcement
2016-08-30T19:25:08Z pierpa: they must be in the southern emisphere
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2016-08-30T19:27:45Z ferada: to answer my own question, cl-rfc2047 -.- good to know
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2016-08-30T20:03:03Z mangron: hi
2016-08-30T20:03:28Z mangron: I was looking for ways to serialize lisp functions
2016-08-30T20:03:53Z mangron: is there any library or basic way it can be done?
2016-08-30T20:04:01Z reepca: for purpose of sending / sharing or just for purposes of storing/retrieving?
2016-08-30T20:04:44Z mangron: sending / sharing purpose
2016-08-30T20:05:15Z mangron: I need to be able to pass function between two node
2016-08-30T20:05:37Z reepca: you'd probably want to send it in source form then.
2016-08-30T20:06:19Z mangron: basically have my own defun and send the s-exp to the other side?
2016-08-30T20:06:39Z reepca: something like that, yeah. Anything lower-level than s-exp and it becomes non-portable, I think.
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2016-08-30T20:07:10Z Bike: yeah. functions, the objects, are not serializable (by make-load-form). they can be in FASLs but FASLs are not portable between much of anything, in general
2016-08-30T20:07:40Z reepca: you could send it in text form (via PRINT) or in binary form (see oGMo's conspack for that)
2016-08-30T20:08:35Z reepca: but yeah, for convenience, you might want to have your own shadowing of defun (you can't redefine it, at least, I've never managed to) in your package, and have it use cl:defun but also store the source code in a table of some sort
2016-08-30T20:09:13Z reepca: you could even add a reader macro that would make it easy to get the source code
2016-08-30T20:10:13Z mangron: cool, that will do the trick
2016-08-30T20:10:23Z mangron: thanks a lot
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2016-08-30T20:12:19Z reepca: be careful that your nodes either only accept functions from trusted nodes or use some sort of sandboxing, though - lisp's awesome "code as data as code" approach makes it easy to run into security issues when one tries to use it for an easy solution often
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2016-08-30T20:13:52Z mangron: I was planing on encryption during the transfer
2016-08-30T20:14:25Z mangron: that will handle the not trusted code I believe
2016-08-30T20:14:38Z Bike: if you trust all your nodes, yes
2016-08-30T20:15:09Z mordocai: Though if a node gets compromised it makes it very easy for someone to inject arbitrary code into your application.
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2016-08-30T20:45:52Z shka_: hey
2016-08-30T20:46:21Z shka_: does anybody know how to measure time from request sent to response with drakma?
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2016-08-30T21:03:04Z dim: shka_: see the time function provided by every implementation
2016-08-30T21:03:08Z dim: ,clhs time
2016-08-30T21:03:25Z shka_: this will include connection time, not just response time
2016-08-30T21:03:59Z dim: yeah, if you want something usable programatically, you have to write your own macro, it's easy to do so, let me find a proper link to what I usually do
2016-08-30T21:04:29Z axion: /s/function/macro/
2016-08-30T21:04:39Z Bike: er, what do you mean response time? the time it takes the server to process the request and put a reply back on the wire?
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2016-08-30T21:04:59Z dim: shka_: https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/blob/master/src/utils/monitor.lisp#L245
2016-08-30T21:05:54Z dim: axion: I like being able to say (multiple-value-bind (result secs) (timing <code here) <do something with the timing in secs and the result>)
2016-08-30T21:06:54Z axion: i was just pointing out that TIME is a macro
2016-08-30T21:06:59Z dim: timing from the client will obviously (?) include the network transmission, right?
2016-08-30T21:07:18Z Bike: if the request function blocks, yeah.
2016-08-30T21:07:30Z dim: axion: oh sorry I read it in the wrong direction and applied it to the wrong line
2016-08-30T21:07:32Z shka_: Bike: i mean, i want to measure time after i sent request, but before response arrives
2016-08-30T21:07:37Z dim: I think I'm really tired
2016-08-30T21:07:56Z shka_: dim: pretty nice logger you have there
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2016-08-30T21:08:03Z dim: thanks
2016-08-30T21:08:15Z shka_: obviously, i would use lparallel everywhere
2016-08-30T21:08:17Z Bike: shka_: i think drakma requests can be done nonblockingly. if so you could just do that and time from the function returning to data showing up in the stream
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2016-08-30T21:08:28Z shka_: because lparallel makes EVERYTHING better ;-)
2016-08-30T21:08:48Z shka_: Bike: oh, let me read docs again
2016-08-30T21:08:57Z shka_: i'm also sligthly tired
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2016-08-30T21:09:24Z Bike: also, there's some chunking thing, which i think means the response isn't sent at once?
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2016-08-30T21:09:45Z shka_: hmmm
2016-08-30T21:09:56Z shka_: i think drakma deals with that
2016-08-30T21:10:06Z shka_: and i care only about the last chunk anyway
2016-08-30T21:10:08Z Bike: well yes, but it means the server response time isn't well defined
2016-08-30T21:10:14Z Bike: ok well that works.
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2016-08-30T21:10:26Z shka_: thanks Bike
2016-08-30T21:10:34Z shka_: and have a good night :-)
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2016-08-30T21:11:39Z Bike: i'm thinking of the :want-stream argument. i don't know if it does what i thought it did, though. i haven't used drakma that much.
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2016-08-30T21:19:00Z shka_: Bike: oh, that does something different
2016-08-30T21:19:03Z shka_: but usefull
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2016-08-30T21:31:23Z dim: cool, I found a bug that was escaping me up to now thanks to reading the file again after shka_ comments on it ;-)
2016-08-30T21:31:47Z shka_ feels so usefull
2016-08-30T21:31:58Z shka_: and powerfull
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2016-08-30T21:32:16Z shka_: my very own presence solves bugs! ;-)
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2016-08-30T21:33:43Z dim: https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/commit/3569980378b5111fbe30454dae944168854f7e82
2016-08-30T21:34:05Z dim: here's the fix I just pushed thanks to giving another look at this monitor thing
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2016-08-30T21:35:12Z sebboh: is there some trick to getting any content out of the hu.dwim website?
2016-08-30T21:36:16Z sebboh: hopefully a static-only copy of it somewhere?
2016-08-30T21:36:51Z PuercoPop: sebboh: what are you looking for? The repos?
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2016-08-30T21:38:34Z PuercoPop: if what you want to browse or get hu.dwim-ware you can use their darcsweb, which is easier to browse than their main web page, http://dwim.hu/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi
2016-08-30T21:38:43Z sebboh: I found their darcsweb interface.  Yes.
2016-08-30T21:39:29Z sebboh: I'd also like to just browse the site, ever.  I can tell that there's supposed to be some online documentation for some of these projects.
2016-08-30T21:40:30Z PuercoPop: most of the documentation is embryonary, they have something like an sexp based docbook. Their tests are the best documentation (usage examples)
2016-08-30T21:40:39Z sebboh: ah
2016-08-30T21:41:18Z dim: M-. runs the command slime-edit-definition
2016-08-30T21:43:11Z PuercoPop: for perec, there is a shopping cart example that is pretty good 5-min tour
2016-08-30T21:44:29Z PuercoPop: (https://common-lisp.net/project/cl-perec/shop.html) What library are you checking out?
2016-08-30T21:46:52Z sebboh: graphviz.  I'm actually checking out everything related to both CL and graphviz.
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2016-08-30T21:53:20Z PuercoPop: The only time I used graphviz I generated the dot file myself, so I haven't used any of the graphviz libs but there is also one inside of https://github.com/eschulte/graph, which also supports output through d3, and cl-dot
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2016-08-30T22:03:27Z rpg: PuercoPop: I have used CL-DOT quite a bit and am very happy with it.
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2016-08-30T22:28:57Z pillton: "<pierpa> they must be in the southern emisphere." I hate people that make large, sweeping generalisations.
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2016-08-30T22:29:30Z pierpa: pillton: ?
2016-08-30T22:31:21Z pillton: pipping: I'd suggest just fixing the code at rosettacode.
2016-08-30T22:38:09Z reepca: pillton: pierpa was making a pun... "cool"... opposite seasons in the southern hemisphere... I think anyway. (I can't tell if you're being sarcastic)
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2016-08-30T22:40:57Z PuercoPop: (I'm in the southern hemisphere, I can attest it is the cold af part of the year)
2016-08-30T22:41:00Z PuercoPop: *on
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2016-08-30T22:42:39Z PuercoPop: but I didn't understand the pun either
2016-08-30T22:42:49Z pierpa: hmmm
2016-08-30T22:43:37Z pierpa: if even south-hemispherean didn't get it, it must have been a really bad pun :(
2016-08-30T22:46:03Z pillton: reepca: I countered a generalisation with a generalisation.
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2016-08-30T22:50:22Z PuercoPop: pierpa: its probably because spanish has no word for pun :D
2016-08-30T22:50:43Z pierpa: :)
2016-08-30T22:52:05Z raydeejay: doh, really? "in summer" "oh that's cool"
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2016-08-30T23:06:23Z dwchandler: ¡Ese fue un mal juego de palabras!
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2016-08-30T23:22:55Z JuanDaugherty: retruecano and as noted the direct cognate on play on words
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2016-08-30T23:32:04Z dwchandler: nice
2016-08-30T23:32:21Z dwchandler <-- newbie spanish learner
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2016-08-30T23:35:02Z raydeejay: it's not quite a retruécano... there's neither repetition nor inversion
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2016-08-30T23:45:26Z JuanDaugherty: use of a homophone is also not punning
2016-08-30T23:46:05Z JuanDaugherty: in and of itself
2016-08-30T23:46:46Z JuanDaugherty: though I think the detection could or maybe already has been automated, from text
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