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At first glace it's goal is very compelling, but I guess there some reasons it hasnt been more widely adopted in the lisp community 2016-08-25T13:24:07Z oleo joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:30:01Z scymtym__ quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-25T13:32:05Z lambdice joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:33:10Z pierpa: I'd say one downside is that it is a bit more conceptually complex than more traditional ways of looping. 2016-08-25T13:33:52Z warweasle joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:35:27Z madbub joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:35:51Z rudolfochrist quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-08-25T13:36:50Z kobain joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:37:22Z Baggers: pierpa: Paul Khuong mentioned it was 'too magical' in his 'pipes' blogpost. Is it just a case of complex api or is it doing transforms internally that are harder to reason about? 2016-08-25T13:41:07Z rudolfochrist joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:41:53Z _death: Baggers: may want to check out Joe Marshall's comments in this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Generators$20in$20Lisp/comp.lang.lisp/G41dfBKaolk/LE1aQvMa9KcJ 2016-08-25T13:43:03Z davsebamse quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-25T13:43:57Z lambdice: hello, what is the benefit of using copy-tree function when we can use copy-list (because a tree is a list anyway) ? 2016-08-25T13:44:32Z ggole: In general they copy different sets of conses. 2016-08-25T13:44:43Z beach: COPY-LIST only copies top-level CONS cells. 2016-08-25T13:45:02Z jackdaniel: lambdice: if (car *lst*) is another list, then copy-tree will make a deep-copy, while copy-list will make a shallow one 2016-08-25T13:45:02Z davsebamse joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:45:19Z Baggers: _death: thanks, that very interesting. As an aside, imagining that you actually are the Reaper whilst posting helpful things makes me very happy 2016-08-25T13:45:58Z beach: lambdice: Compare (let ((l '((a) (b)))) (eq (car l) (car (copy-list l)))) 2016-08-25T13:46:09Z beach: and (let ((l '((a) (b)))) (eq (car l) (car (copy-tree l)))) 2016-08-25T13:47:31Z _death: Baggers: they said Lisp was dead.. here I am :) 2016-08-25T13:48:24Z jackdaniel: Baggers: beware were you're heading, given the Reaper leads you there 2016-08-25T13:48:44Z lambdice: indeed thx. Still pretty strange for me :) so with nested list should i use copy-tree when i want a real copy ? 2016-08-25T13:49:49Z lambdice: (by real copy i mean a totaly new one created) 2016-08-25T13:49:58Z jackdaniel: lambdice: generally it depends what do you mean by real copy, if you want to copy cons-tree, then copy-tree is OK 2016-08-25T13:49:59Z manuel_ quit (Quit: manuel_) 2016-08-25T13:50:01Z Baggers: haha, well they say god ostensibly made the universe from lisp, so it makes sense _death would know it so he can destroy it all the more spectacularly 2016-08-25T13:50:16Z lambdice: sweet 2016-08-25T13:50:17Z jackdaniel: keep in mind, that the leaf objects won't be "copies", they will be references to the same objects 2016-08-25T13:50:54Z jackdaniel: (+/- immediate types) 2016-08-25T13:50:57Z beach: lambdice: It is very rare to want to copy lists anyway. 2016-08-25T13:50:58Z Baggers: _death: actually that link did have the thing I needed to know ".. When a series collector function is found, the body is codewalked .." code walking is hairy enough that i'd rather avoid it 2016-08-25T13:51:05Z Baggers: thanks 2016-08-25T13:51:06Z lambdice: yeah, found this in the book ansi common lisp from paul graham 2016-08-25T13:51:22Z lambdice: what do you think about this book ? it looks good so far 2016-08-25T13:51:38Z jackdaniel: it is a bit inaccurate wrt standard, but I've enjoyed it a lot 2016-08-25T13:51:54Z jackdaniel: very good excercises developing understanding of some concepts 2016-08-25T13:52:22Z Baggers: lambdice: and also makes a great reference thanks to how clearly it's written 2016-08-25T13:52:32Z _death: Baggers: yeah, but many processing tasks can have rather elegant SERIES-based solutions 2016-08-25T13:52:40Z emaczen joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:52:41Z rudolfochrist quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.1.1)) 2016-08-25T13:53:02Z jackdaniel: also it doesn't cover CLOS in great detail (which is prevalent style among the community fwiw) 2016-08-25T13:53:02Z sebboh quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-25T13:53:22Z lambdice: indeed.. the other one everybody is referring to is "pratical common lisp" 2016-08-25T13:53:36Z sebboh joined #lisp 2016-08-25T13:53:40Z jackdaniel liked ANSI CL better 2016-08-25T13:55:43Z lambdice: the process of conversion from lisp script to executable binary file is good nowdays ? 2016-08-25T13:56:06Z lambdice: i mean, is it common to convert your lisp script to executable binary file ? 2016-08-25T13:56:18Z jackdaniel: yes, you have numerous options: clon (my favourite), cl-launch and buildapp 2016-08-25T13:56:29Z beach: lambdice: I never do it myself. 2016-08-25T13:56:49Z lambdice: i am not a compiler expert, but i think they use llvm for this no? 2016-08-25T13:56:55Z jackdaniel: and lisp programs are more compiled systems than scripts nowdays, which may be dumped as an executable 2016-08-25T13:57:06Z jackdaniel: no, only clasp utilizes llvm for now 2016-08-25T13:57:28Z pierpa: Baggers: I'd say both. But let me go read what Joe Marshall has to say :) 2016-08-25T13:57:37Z jackdaniel: most implementations have their own binary dumping mechanisms, mentioned programs (clon, cl-laucnh and buildapp) are just a portability-layers 2016-08-25T13:57:47Z lambdice: ok 2016-08-25T13:57:51Z jackdaniel: more-or-less, they have add-in value of course 2016-08-25T13:57:52Z lambdice: interessting :) 2016-08-25T13:58:00Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-25T13:58:03Z jackdaniel: but they abstract differences between implementations with this regard 2016-08-25T13:58:06Z Baggers: lambdice: making a binary it also possible via asdf itself. The only tricky bit is that you have to write a bit of boilerplate yourself if you are using c libraries via cffi but we are working on making this easier 2016-08-25T13:58:52Z beach: lambdice: Even when used interactively, many implementations compile to native code on the fly, without creating an executable file. 2016-08-25T13:59:33Z beach: lambdice: I am saying that because some people think that generating native code requires batch compilation and creation of an executable file. 2016-08-25T14:00:15Z davsebamse quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-25T14:01:32Z lambdice: really nice. 2016-08-25T14:02:01Z sjl: anyone had problems with cenum not being recognized as a macro, resulting in 'illegal function call' errors when trying to build something that uses swig? 2016-08-25T14:02:05Z sjl: context: https://github.com/guicho271828/CL-CUDD/issues/2 2016-08-25T14:04:35Z eivarv joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:04:43Z Trystam joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:05:21Z Xach: sjl: it is often a package issue when that happens 2016-08-25T14:05:23Z Xach reads the issue 2016-08-25T14:05:34Z sjl: yeah seems likely 2016-08-25T14:06:22Z sjl: this seems to be the package that file is in-package'ing https://github.com/guicho271828/CL-CUDD/blob/master/src/0-package.lisp#L11 2016-08-25T14:06:50Z sellout- quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2016-08-25T14:07:30Z Tristam quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-25T14:07:40Z sharkteeth joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:09:36Z didi joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:11:18Z didi: How do I keep a program running after disconnecting from swank? The REPL doesn't quit, but a long running expression stops. 2016-08-25T14:16:30Z kushal joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:17:22Z Grue``: how does REPL not quit when you disconnect from swank? 2016-08-25T14:18:33Z didi: Grue``: Because I start it with (swank:create-server :dont-close t). 2016-08-25T14:19:02Z Grue``: but REPL is the client, not the server 2016-08-25T14:19:23Z didi: Grue``: Did I use the term wrong? 2016-08-25T14:19:54Z Grue``: i dunno, but normally the server will continue to execute code regardless of whether you're connected 2016-08-25T14:20:13Z didi: Grue``: That's what I meant. 2016-08-25T14:20:32Z Grue``: ok, how exactly do you disconnect? 2016-08-25T14:20:39Z didi: ,disconnect 2016-08-25T14:20:48Z Grue``: e.g. doing ,quit in slime will actually shut down the server 2016-08-25T14:20:51Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-25T14:21:00Z Grue``: ,disconnect shouldn't so there must be something else 2016-08-25T14:21:18Z didi: Grue``: No no. The server continues to run. I can connect to it again. But my long running program has stopped. 2016-08-25T14:21:32Z raydeejay: because you do (my-program) ENT 2016-08-25T14:21:35Z raydeejay: then disconnect 2016-08-25T14:21:39Z didi: Indeed. 2016-08-25T14:21:39Z raydeejay: yes? 2016-08-25T14:21:43Z didi: raydeejay: Correct. 2016-08-25T14:21:48Z mishoo quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-25T14:22:01Z sellout- joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:23:18Z Grue``: I do that all the time with hunchentoot though 2016-08-25T14:23:36Z didi: Maybe hunchentoot does something to keep running? 2016-08-25T14:24:00Z didi: I do nothing special. Just a regular long running computation. 2016-08-25T14:24:08Z Grue``: well, when you start it, it spawns a new thread and runs in the background 2016-08-25T14:24:18Z didi: Maybe that's it. 2016-08-25T14:24:46Z Grue``: if you run a long computation, that should block the repl, and you can't do anything until you interrupt it 2016-08-25T14:24:53Z didi: Indeed. 2016-08-25T14:25:19Z didi: I can disconnect tho. Maybe by disconnecting, it is automatically stopping my program? 2016-08-25T14:25:41Z _death: did you check the threads list 2016-08-25T14:26:00Z didi: _death: I did not. I didn't know there is one. 2016-08-25T14:26:11Z _death: C-c C-x t 2016-08-25T14:26:16Z Grue``: slime might be sending a C-c C-c like signal before executing the command 2016-08-25T14:26:18Z didi: _death: What should I look for? 2016-08-25T14:26:34Z didi: Grue``: Is it possible to prevent it from doing it? 2016-08-25T14:26:46Z didi: I want to start a computation and come back later for the results. 2016-08-25T14:26:51Z manuel_ joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:27:18Z Grue``: (sb-thread:make-thread (lambda () (my-function))) 2016-08-25T14:27:30Z Grue``: although it won't print the results... 2016-08-25T14:27:39Z didi: Grue``: Oh... :-( 2016-08-25T14:28:11Z Grue``: the problem is that when you reconnect you won't see what it printed anyway 2016-08-25T14:28:22Z didi: Grue``: Oh really? 2016-08-25T14:28:52Z didi: OK, then this is futile. 2016-08-25T14:28:59Z Grue``: you can just output to file 2016-08-25T14:29:03Z didi: As my setup goes, anyway. 2016-08-25T14:29:09Z didi: Grue``: True true. 2016-08-25T14:29:56Z Grue``: or if you have prints all over your code just wrap in (let ((*standard-output* file-descriptor)) ...) 2016-08-25T14:30:08Z didi: Not a bad idea. 2016-08-25T14:30:25Z didi: Grue``: Will I be able to access the evalued values with *s? 2016-08-25T14:30:56Z Grue``: with make-thread? nope, it'll return straight away 2016-08-25T14:31:04Z didi: Oh well. 2016-08-25T14:31:18Z manuel_ quit (Client Quit) 2016-08-25T14:31:23Z yaun joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:31:52Z Th30n joined #lisp 2016-08-25T14:32:07Z didi: I want that value. Hum, I will have to think. 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Should I use "coerce" or the default float types for reader (which didn't work so well with two floating-point types)? 2016-08-25T15:18:01Z WJMUqqJZRD joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:18:29Z beach: kamog: How do you use DEFTYPE to control the type of floats during compilation? 2016-08-25T15:18:35Z stepnem joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:19:17Z kamog: (deftype num () single-float) and then I use num in type declarations. 2016-08-25T15:19:40Z beach: And why do you do that, rather than using single-float directly? 2016-08-25T15:20:16Z kamog: Because I want to compare different floating point types and changing it in one place is easier. 2016-08-25T15:20:30Z beach: I see. 2016-08-25T15:20:50Z beach: And so you want your constants to be of that type as well? 2016-08-25T15:21:08Z kamog: Yes, exactly. 2016-08-25T15:21:10Z warweasle is now known as warweasle_lunch 2016-08-25T15:21:33Z sjl: kamog: by "constants" do you mean (defconstant something ...) or the literal 0.0's in code? 2016-08-25T15:22:02Z pbgc joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:22:20Z aries_liuxueyang quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-25T15:23:02Z kamog: literals. Yes, funnily it's about zeros mostly. Other meaningful constants could be defined with defconstant, but I cringe doing for zero. 2016-08-25T15:23:42Z kamog: I don't see other way than coercing. 2016-08-25T15:23:56Z wccoder joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:24:02Z beach: clhs *read-default-float-format* 2016-08-25T15:24:02Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_rd_def.htm 2016-08-25T15:24:09Z aries_liuxueyang joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:24:23Z kamog: Yes, but it doesn't work with several different floating-point types. 2016-08-25T15:24:42Z sebboh quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-25T15:25:11Z beach: I suppose you could coerce from double float. 2016-08-25T15:25:16Z sebboh joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:25:22Z sjl: you could potentially make some read macros to make the (coerce foo number-type-a) less wordy 2016-08-25T15:25:39Z lnostdal quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-08-25T15:26:07Z lnostdal joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:26:20Z kamog: oh, nice idea. Would sbcl coerce literals at compilation time? 2016-08-25T15:26:39Z jdz: #f is not taken. 2016-08-25T15:27:00Z beach: kamog: You can do it at read time even. 2016-08-25T15:27:07Z isoraqathedh: But don't ouy have to escape it, like \#f? 2016-08-25T15:28:01Z tfb quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-25T15:28:08Z jdz: I meant #f0.5 would read as (coerce 0.5d0 'num), or even do that at read time. 2016-08-25T15:28:27Z Velveeta_Chef quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-25T15:28:28Z wccoder quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2016-08-25T15:28:30Z kamog: just (defmacro my-float (x) (coerce x 'my-float))? 2016-08-25T15:29:17Z beach: clhs set-macro-character 2016-08-25T15:29:17Z specbot: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm 2016-08-25T15:29:26Z beach: kamog: Define #f as a reader macro. 2016-08-25T15:29:33Z Th30n_ joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:30:10Z beach: That way you can do the coerce at read time. 2016-08-25T15:30:46Z _sjs joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:31:16Z tfb joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:31:35Z unbalanced joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:31:36Z kamog: I see! Thank you all. Extending reader is kind of wonderful. 2016-08-25T15:32:01Z pierpa: and kind of looking for trouble 2016-08-25T15:32:56Z jdz: pierpa: all uses of #f can be replaced with whatever float syntax after the experiment is over. 2016-08-25T15:33:00Z Th30n quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-08-25T15:33:11Z sjl: yeah if you want to do anything more than some basic experiments, look at https://common-lisp.net/project/named-readtables/ 2016-08-25T15:33:43Z pierpa: jdz: yes. But IMHO there's no need to use reader macros for this task 2016-08-25T15:33:56Z pbgc quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2016-08-25T15:34:39Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2016-08-25T15:35:36Z kamog: pierpa: what do you suggest? 2016-08-25T15:36:12Z wilfredh joined #lisp 2016-08-25T15:36:16Z pierpa: use coerce. 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What nickname does he go by when he's on? 2016-08-25T16:28:28Z Xach: pipping: rtoy/rtoym 2016-08-25T16:28:37Z pipping: Xach: thanks! 2016-08-25T16:28:40Z Xach: pipping: last seen in may 2016-08-25T16:30:07Z beach: June, actually. 2016-08-25T16:30:30Z asc232 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-08-25T16:33:58Z unbalanced quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) 2016-08-25T16:34:50Z zacts quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2016-08-25T16:35:12Z sai_rongzhj joined #lisp 2016-08-25T16:35:26Z pw_ joined #lisp 2016-08-25T16:35:45Z sai_rongzhj quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 2016-08-25T16:35:45Z macin joined #lisp 2016-08-25T16:36:14Z sai_rongzhj joined #lisp 2016-08-25T16:39:24Z macin left #lisp 2016-08-25T16:39:57Z pw_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-08-25T16:40:45Z tobel joined #lisp 2016-08-25T16:41:07Z manuel_ joined #lisp 2016-08-25T16:44:34Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-08-25T16:44:35Z davsebamse joined #lisp 2016-08-25T16:44:36Z eivarv quit (Quit: Sleep) 2016-08-25T16:44:47Z benny 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